The Boo Radleys, Classic or Dud?

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don't get it..

the next grozart, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 11:56 (seventeen years ago) link

it is possible that the lyric remarking his age as 28 was in fact written when he was 28, even if the album upon which a recorded version appears was not released until after his subsequent birthday.

energy flash gordon, Thursday, 22 March 2007 07:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Other possible explanations:

1) although actually 29, he said that he was 28 in order to rhyme with the word "ate" / "bait" / "crate" / "date" / "fate" / "great" / "hate" / "Kate" / "late" / "mate" / "rate"/ "state" / "wait" (or similar, delete as applicable) at the end of the previous / next line;

2) he forgot how old he was and worked it out wrong (I have done this);

3) he routinely lies about his age;

4) he was kidnapped by a desperate childless couple when he was a very small child and given a new identity and his new "parents" regularly and consistently lied to him about his true date of birth;

Stewart Osborne, Thursday, 22 March 2007 09:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Tell you what: I bet he doesn't mention his age thesedays in songs!

Mark G, Thursday, 22 March 2007 09:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Although clearly not such a rich seam to mine as 28, I'm sure a mature and experienced songwriter could come up with plenty of words to rhyme with 37 ("heaven" / "Devon" / "leaven" / "Severn" / "Bev Bevan" ....)

If not, he'll just have to wait 'til next year and recycle some of the leftover rhymes for 28.

Stewart Osborne, Thursday, 22 March 2007 09:42 (seventeen years ago) link

"You were seventeen, I was 37,
You were into Fuckpony, I preferred top Tory drummer Bev Bevan."

Might have to work on the scansion a bit more.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 22 March 2007 09:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, you can see why Glen Gregory flipped that first line.

Michael Jones, Thursday, 22 March 2007 09:57 (seventeen years ago) link

They wouldn't get away with that song these days.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 22 March 2007 10:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Tell you what, I heard the Lurkers' "Just Thirteen" for the first time last week!

That killed their career somewhat. And it's got nothing to do with any perving!

But that's probably a different thread.

Oh, and I was reading Simon Reynolds' "Rip it up" book. One name jumped out at me! About the edge...

Mark G, Thursday, 22 March 2007 10:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Look, no hands... ;-)

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 22 March 2007 10:06 (seventeen years ago) link

yup.

Mark G, Thursday, 22 March 2007 10:07 (seventeen years ago) link

"You were seventeen, I was 37,
You were into Fuckpony, I preferred top Tory drummer Bev Bevan."


"Well she was just 43
You know what I mean
And the way she looked
Wasn't too bad at all for a woman of that age (oooh!)"

Stewart Osborne, Thursday, 22 March 2007 11:33 (seventeen years ago) link

"Tell you what, I heard the Lurkers' "Just Thirteen" for the first time last week!
That killed their career somewhat."


In retrospect and with the benefit of hindsight maybe should have realised that rhyming "thirteen" with "hurtin'" was inevitably going to be tantamount to commiting career suicide.

Why couldn't they just have stuck to rhyming "shadows" with "shadows", "ooh ooh" with "I love you", "tell her" with "fella", "Suzy" with "floozie" and "Chaos Brothers" with, er, "Chaos Brothers", rather than trying to introduce such radical pseudo-intellectual nearly-rhymes?

Stewart Osborne, Thursday, 22 March 2007 11:45 (seventeen years ago) link

And yet, "Thirteen" by Big Star.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 22 March 2007 12:26 (seventeen years ago) link

No offence but if you think it's as good as Giant Steps you're deranged.

It is way better than "Giant Steps", no nowhere close to the greatness of "Wake Up!" which was Boo Radleys' only great album.

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 22 March 2007 12:38 (seventeen years ago) link

QED

Mark G, Thursday, 22 March 2007 12:44 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...

GIANT STEPS IS THE GREATEST INDIE GUITAR RECORD EVER EVER EVER RIGHT

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 19:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Uh.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 19:53 (sixteen years ago) link

I am drinking alone; ignore me.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 19:56 (sixteen years ago) link

I DO think this is a fucking awesome, awesome, remarkable record, however.

Scik Mouthy, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 19:56 (sixteen years ago) link

it is

the next grozart, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 22:42 (sixteen years ago) link

It's good.

teflon monkey, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 22:49 (sixteen years ago) link

its allright. I'm rarely in the mood for it.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 22:52 (sixteen years ago) link

I feel the same pretty much. I didn't think it was great initially, thought it was great for a period, stopped listening to it after that period and still haven't really recovered.

teflon monkey, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 00:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Giant Steps is a pretty epic album. And I DON'T OWN IT, AM I INSANE. I havent heard it in something like 12 years, good god. I have to rectify this asap.

Trayce, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 01:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Wasnt Martin having a breakdown/alcohol problem when they wrote this album? I seem to recall at least one track being really desperate and bleak.

Trayce, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 01:40 (sixteen years ago) link

About four or five amazing songs on it (Lazurus, Wish I Was Skinny, Barney, White Noise). The rest of it can sound good if you're in the mood or are the right age. Especially good when you're around the college age. A bit like Galaxie 500 in that respect.

Cunga, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 01:42 (sixteen years ago) link

I am drinking alone; ignore me.

This is my default position re: knows-fuck-all

voice of truth, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 02:02 (sixteen years ago) link

yes, one of the best albums of the 90's, it was their White Album.

anyways this link is a great read, especially where the fans were able to write their thought on this album. when it came out it was just so epic, adventurous and monstrous, it seem like the shoegazer scene, as it was called, was going to take over music. no other band outside MBV's Loveless was able to match what the Boos did but it was Oasis and Blur who broke out instead.

http://www.booradleys.co.uk/giantsteps/

Bee OK, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 02:51 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.booradleys.co.uk/giantsteps/fans.html

See if you can recognise some names on here!

Mark G, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 07:57 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.booradleys.co.uk/giantsteps/fans.htm

or maybe even here instead.

Mark G, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 07:58 (sixteen years ago) link

OH FFS!!

This one. And this one is guanarteed.

http://www.booradleys.co.uk/giant_steps/fans.htm

Mark G, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 07:59 (sixteen years ago) link

No argument here. Wonderful record. I note above that 6 years ago I said C'mon Kids was their best but to be honest I don't know what I was thinking. Giant Steps is so much better.

It was Select's album of the year which I seem to remember is why I bought it

cheasyweasel, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 09:09 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Best-Boo-Radleys/dp/B000PHX0VO/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/202-1855647-9383050?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1181125138&sr=8-2

When did that squeeze out? Well, 7th May, obviously, but... Has anyone got it? is it the 12" version of Lazarus? What an odd tracklisting.

Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 10:22 (sixteen years ago) link

xpost- me too (about buying it) only "I didn't think it was great initially, thought it was great for a period, stopped listening to it after that period and still haven't really recoveredsold it"... also me too.

I remember a LOT of filler but it is/was a strong record. I suspect it's that I didn't find most of the songs/vocals very much to shout about in the end that led me to not caring...

fandango, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 10:33 (sixteen years ago) link

It looks nicer than that 2cd collection.

Which started off being "Wake up boo: The Best of" but M.Carr stopped it, so the record company said "OK, you pick. but it has to have "Wake Up Boo, Lazarus, etc, etc, etc," until there was only about four tracks to pick from.

Anf the 'unreleased' tracks, ah hey I had the "Kingsize" single promo with them on anyway.

4am conversation? That's an odd choice.

Mark G, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 10:34 (sixteen years ago) link

I think I might marginally prefer 'C'mon Kids' to 'Giant Steps'.

Just got offed, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 11:15 (sixteen years ago) link

not sure about that new best of... what the fuck?

the next grozart, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 13:31 (sixteen years ago) link

'I've Lost The Reason' and 'Get On The Bus' are possibly my favourite two Boo Radleys songs, so their inclusion is very welcome. Underappreciated masterpieces both.

Just got offed, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 13:52 (sixteen years ago) link

if there's something that annoyed me about the last two albums was that they were way too preachy for my liking. "Colours For The Blind", that millennium song, "Heaven's At the Bottom Of This Glass".

the next grozart, Wednesday, 6 June 2007 22:55 (sixteen years ago) link

When did that squeeze out? Well, 7th May, obviously, but... Has anyone got it? is it the 12" version of Lazarus? What an odd tracklisting.

WTF? and don't know any answers to those questions.

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51v0G4LGP0L._SS500_.jpg

beautiful cover but has nothing to do with the band. found this on Martin's web site, as he was answering the question of why nothing from Everything's Alright Forever or Kingsize made it on to this comp.

"Eaf wasn't anything to do with sony and i can only guess that they have forgotten about Kingsize.

I won't be buying it.

Mx"

Bee OK, Thursday, 7 June 2007 05:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Haha, the sleevenotes to this new best of quote me (but without naming me, the cheeky gits).

Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 7 June 2007 17:21 (sixteen years ago) link

haha what's the quote?

Cunga, Thursday, 7 June 2007 17:49 (sixteen years ago) link

It reads, "GIANT STEPS IS THE GREATEST INDIE GUITAR RECORD EVER EVER EVER RIGHT."

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 June 2007 17:54 (sixteen years ago) link

Of Lazarus, "a big pop tune halfway between Dinosaur Jr. and The Beach Boys slapped in the middle of a great big dub instrumental" taken from http://www.stylusmagazine.com/reviews/the-boo-radleys/find-the-way-out.htm

Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 7 June 2007 18:03 (sixteen years ago) link

I've barely listened to anything else for the last 24 hours.

Scik Mouthy, Friday, 8 June 2007 15:21 (sixteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

How come no one's ever mentioned Learning To Walk?

Jack Rabid wrote, "Though it's just a collection of their first three EPs dating back to '90/'91 (plus two unreleased covers), Learning to Walk is actually the best LP released by this great Liverpool band, even better than Giant Steps... Learning to Walk sounds like an LP, not a collection, and if we regard it as three sessions in one, it is the Boo Radleys' real second LP, and their masterpiece, even without the terrific 1991 Peel Session versions of Love's "Alone Again Or," and New Order's "True Faith" (retitled "Boo Faith," naturally) tacked on for extra value. With all three EPs out of print, Learning to Walk is even more valuable. Do not miss."

Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 27 June 2007 07:40 (sixteen years ago) link

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

nah.

Mark G, Wednesday, 27 June 2007 07:46 (sixteen years ago) link

it's pretty good. i especially like "Foster's Van".

the next grozart, Wednesday, 27 June 2007 12:17 (sixteen years ago) link

I said this on the poll thread the other week:
The two EPs in 1991 between the first and second album sound better-produced, but still essentially go for that mixture of extreme guitar noise and sweet singing. That wasn’t a problem for me as that was exactly what I liked back then. I love Naomi (off Every Heaven) and Everybird, Sometime Soon She Said and Foster’s Van (off Boo Up). I think these are all on Learning To Walk, but I’m not voting for that because it’s not a real album.

Nasty, Brutish & Short, Wednesday, 27 June 2007 13:58 (sixteen years ago) link


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