The Boo Radleys, Classic or Dud?

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Personally I believe Martin Carr and Sice were a formidable team and made some of the most inteeligent indie-pop music of the last decade, but not many people my age (20) would agree, having only heard the famous pop sonmgs (It's Lulu, Wake Up Boo!, C'mon Kids etc.)... What do you lot reckon?

Oh Search and Destroy as well.

dog latin, Sunday, 22 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Ever since school days, the Boo Radleys have been trampling on their much more gifted contemporaries in a cynical bid for glory.

the pinefox, Sunday, 22 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Dud, I'm afraid. The Boos always struck me as a band who were lauded for using other people's good ideas to much less effect. Their attempts at "dub" and "house" were risible at best - the indiest of indie chancers desperately trying to appear eclectic. Never could stand 'em at all.

And is Sice the least charismatic rock frontperson ever?

Venga, Sunday, 22 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I remember listening to the Boo Radley's supposedly brilliant Giant Steps album and thinking it was surprisingly dull. Their commercially successful poppy stuff really ground my nads; however, I saw them live around the time of the "C'mon Kids" album and was really impressed, particularly when they weren't playing the poppy stuff. So maybe they deserve closer attention.

Dirty Vicar, Sunday, 22 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

classic. a band that continuously reinvented itself, who after their greatest success went deliberately odd(that sounds familiar) and disappeared even though they made their best album. granted brave captain is an abomination but martin carr once was the prince of left- field pop, no one else of recent note has combined his eclecticism with an ear for perfect pop. also points for raising alan mcgee's ire.

keith, Sunday, 22 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Everything up to the release of 'Giant Steps' = classic. Everything from 'Giant Steps' onwards = dud. I'm particularly fond of 'Everything's Alright Forever' and an EP which came out on Rough Trade whose details I forget but which I think has a song called Bluebird on it.

alex thomson, Sunday, 22 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I only really liked Everything's Alright Forever. Toward the Light is a classic song.

james e l, Sunday, 22 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Absolute fookin CLASSIC mate, giant steps is *the* best album released on creation, period, and everythings alright forever isn't far behind. Although wake up and kingsize struggle with the "lets be a pop band"/"ok let's not" dicotomy they are still both pretty good. Currently the most underrated band of the 90s, i would've said.

carsmilesteve, Sunday, 22 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Oh, classic and a half and then some. Great band, very friendly too -- somewhere around here I have my interview with Tim and Rob on tape, and Sice and Martin were kind folks as well. All had dinner at a Thai restaurant, that was pretty cool.

As I see it, the very earliest stuff (even _Ichabod and I_) is quite good, but _Everything's Alright Forever_ was a low point, sorta there and no more outside of a couple of songs. But after "Lazarus," strength to strength from there on in. And the singles were all just packed with some amazing B-sides and remixes; I went ahead and made a grand four CDR comp out of them all, plus a lot of the random rarities.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 22 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

They made one almost-great album - Giant Steps, of course. Nice mix of pop, noise, and soundscaping, which 90% of the time works well. I lost interest for some reason after that, and so it's the only album of theirs I have. Funny how quickly they seem to have been forgotten about. C'mon Kids and Kingsize seem to be in every bargain bin - are they worth getting.

Dr. C, Sunday, 22 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

DUD - terrible, gives me the creeps that anyone had any time for them, disliked them from Lazarus onwards

Geordie Racer, Sunday, 22 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

C'mon Kids is certainly worth getting... Kingsize was likeable in a very sugary and innocent way... i never really got into it as much as their other stuff..

About the B-sides, I managed to get 2 extensive D90s of their excellent b-sides (which were often better than the rest of their material (seek: Blues for George Michael, Vegas, Sunfly II, Wallpaper, Almost Nearly There)... how in god's name did you get 4 CDs out of that? I thought i had almost all their rarities (then again i never included remixes or live edits - maybe i should)... I think the Boos were forgotten about because younger people (21 and under now) remember them as that band who did that Wake Up! song that used to play every morning before school and annoy them (actually, it was that song and Leaves & Sand that introduced me)... over 21s remember them as an excellent band who went pop and didn't do much after their Ride-era Everything's Alright Forever... Luckily, I never really gave up on them. I always thought the choice of A-Sides they brought out were abysmal though (Destroy: It's Lulu, Free Huey (ugh!), Barney & Me, What's In The Box) actually, I only bought the singles for the awesome b-sides where Martin Carr seemed to be able to do what the fuck he liked. I think they were a little scared of getting their experiments heard and so released their most straight-ahead tracks on single.

dog latin, Sunday, 22 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Dud. Typical press-band. Of course I got suckered into buying Giant Steps. It's not very good, somehow the ideas don't gel. Of course all bragging of being inspired by dub and Coltrane didn't help. My copy is resting in peace at the local record-exchange.

Omar, Monday, 23 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Classic, all the way. Got into them from Giant Steps onwards. On the surface Wake Up! was a glossy pop album if you listened to the singles but the album isn't as 'easy' as you would think and struck a nice balance between expirimentation and pure pop with the emphasis on the latter though. C'mon Kids is their best, I think (and Carr agrees) although it ruined their chart career I think they were happy about that. Put it on and turn it up loud.

Kingsize is good and their most straight forward album although Carr was pretty apathetic about the recording compared to the others.

Just heard Ichabod and I recently and was surprised how excellent it sounded, possibly even better than Everythings Alright Forever.

Martin Carrs new stuff as Brave Captain is also excellent and also really prolific, a mini album, an album, a 10" single and a cd single so far and the stuff is great. Good live too if you can catch them.

One of the best of the 90s.

Mark Smith, Monday, 23 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Classic again, though I daresay if I met the individuals involved it would take all of ten seconds for me to get into a stinkingly huge fight. Giant Steps has a fair claim on my top ten albums of the nineties and whilst Kingsixe and C'Mon Kids are pale shades of it they still can cut to the quick.

Shit - I even like Wake Up.

That said, their best track - Skywalker - was the free giveaway single on C'Mon Kids. Drum'n'bass scuzzed up rock. Made you kinda wish the rest of the album was that good. Oh yes, those were the days.

Pete, Monday, 23 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
Classic.

Search: Giant Steps, Everything's Alright Forver
Even the weakest disc (C'mon Kids, IMHO) is pretty damn OK. Destroy nothing but your preconceptions.

John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Thursday, 15 May 2003 00:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Classic-ish. Search Giant Steps, the Lazarus 12", C'Mon Kids and most of Wake Up! (leave It's Lulu and the other pop one that's not that one that everyone knows [that one that everyone knows actually being mighty fine]). Destroy almost all of Kingsize, unfortunately; totally the sound of a band at the end of their run, and they know it. Some good hooks and melodies and sounds hidden in there (the end of High As Monkeys is grebt but the beginning is shite), but they're just so hopelessly and forlornly out of puff and time that it's a miserable record.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 15 May 2003 07:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

A CLASSIC!
never made a bad song. they did whatever they wanted to, not any commercial shit like some other bands. giant steps is a genius album, just like their other stuff. their b-sides are all brilliant. whoever said that kingsize is a terrible album is probably just like peter paphides from q magazine who listens to the albums with fast play once and that's it. kingsize is the best piece of music ever made believe me. sice is not the least charismatic, he's the coolest and eh... baldest vocalist ever. his voice is strong and clear - if the looks means everything to you go and buy the new britney spears album or something. his solo album first fruits is ace but oh so hard to find! martin carr is a genius songwriter and you should all go and buy his new album "advertisements for myself" right now. everyone who said "DUD" probably listen to travis or s club 7 or some other commercial crap.

search: everything the boo's ever made except for the weird remixes
destroy: nothing but your silly head Mr Dud!

Tommy BOO, Thursday, 15 May 2003 08:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Of all the super-soaraway bands that I adored beyond measure in my early-to-mid teens, the Boo Radleys are the ones that, um, I don't really find myself listening to very much these days. Giant Steps/Wake Up!/C'mon Kids all remain tremendous, with Kingsize scuttling quite closely behind - agree with Nick that the fantastic bits are all buried in quite a few less-fantastic bits, though I still think it's basically a fine record - but, i dunno, they're maybe not SHARP enough or CRISP enough for me anymore. Or something.

Have come to the sacrilicious conclusion that 1) Wake Up! is the best album, and 2) Wake Up Boo! is the best thing they ever did by a million silvery skyscraping miles. I like the Boo Radleys.

Alex in Rotherham (alexfack), Thursday, 15 May 2003 08:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

ah, giant steps is a great album. surprisingly consistent, bearing in mind the amount of songs on it. i love "if you want it, take it", what a great pop song. and the feedback on "upon ninth and fairchild". haven't heard any of their other albums, the singles i've heard from them suggest that they're not worth getting.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 15 May 2003 10:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The only not-classical albums The Boo Radleys did are the ones before Giant Steps. Giant Steps/Wake up/C'mon kids/Kingsize are amongst the very few albums from the '90s that I still listen with the same pleasure. Great b-sides also (some of their best tunes were b-sides) and wonderfull art-covers (wich is much more important than haircut or charism).

Grumble, Thursday, 15 May 2003 10:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

How dare you say that about "Everything's Alright Forever". It pisses on Wake Up.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Thursday, 15 May 2003 11:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

agreeed

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 15 May 2003 11:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Classic

Albums:
Wake Up! > Giant Steps > Everything's Alright Forever > Kingsize > Ichabod & I > C'Mon Kids

Singles Choices (Era):
Giant Steps > Everything's Alright Forever > Wake Up! > C'Mon Kids > Kingsize

B-Sides (Era):
Wake Up! > Everything's Alright Forever > Giant Steps > C'mon Kids > Kingsize

They followed their best album with their worst album and lost all their momentum. Hell, they lost all their momentum right after "Wake Up Boo!" by releasing "Find The Answer Within" as the 2nd single. They should have gone with "Reaching Out From Here", and then "Wilder". And yes, "Free Huey" is their worst single -- if not song -- ever.

Their B-sides were always hit and miss. Hell, the ones from Giant Steps could be squalling noise for 2 minutes and then jolt into something beautiful. If I can remember correctly, 3 years ago, I made 3 CDR's just from their B-sides myself. One is good b-sides, one is remixes, and one is crap b-sides. I'll have to go digging through some boxes later today.

All that said, I don't especially miss them. Hence the cdr's buried in boxes.

blutroniq (blutroniq), Thursday, 15 May 2003 16:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

How dare you say that about "Free Huey". It pisses on "Reaching out from here".

Lynskey (Lynskey), Thursday, 15 May 2003 16:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

*picks up guitar and strums "Lazy Day"*

Lynskey (Lynskey), Thursday, 15 May 2003 16:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Free Huey's lameass beat brings back memories of C+C Music Factory from about 1991.

blutroniq (blutroniq), Thursday, 15 May 2003 16:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Giant Steps - Classic
Wake Up - Classic
C'mon Kids - Classic
Kingsize - Classic

One of the best bands ever - as well as the above there are loads of ace b-sides and other stuff.

Love 'em to bits and always will. BOO Forever people.

Bev#, Thursday, 15 May 2003 16:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

yes "free huey" killed the boos. Nice to see this thread revived

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 15 May 2003 17:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Even when I'm with my Boo, you know I'm crazy over you!

Kelly, Thursday, 15 May 2003 17:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Free Huey's lameass beat brings back memories of C+C Music Factory from about 1991.

And your problem is?

Lynskey (Lynskey), Thursday, 15 May 2003 17:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Went home at lunchtime and pulled my CDR "BooBest" comp that I made a few years ago. Here's the tracklist:

1. Martin, Doom! It's Seven O'Clock
2. I Hang Suspended
3. What's In The Box (See Whatcha Got)
4. Take The Time Around
5. Almost Nearly There
6. Wake Up Boo!
7. There She Goes
8. Lazy Day
9. Zoom
10. Hold On Brother
11. Ride The Tiger
12. Skyscraper
13. Stuck On Amber
14. Does This Hurt?
15. Memory Babe
16. Wish I Was Skinny
17. Reaching Out From Here
18. Kingsize
19. Wilder

Feel free to rant or rave over my choices.

Forgot all about a few of these tracks, like "Hold On Brother" which is from the War Child comp, "There She Goes" from the So I Married An Axe Murderer OST, and "Almost Nearly There" which is a "From the Bench of Belvidere" B-side

blutroniq (blutroniq), Thursday, 15 May 2003 19:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

any boos best of without "if you want it, take it" does not get my seal of approval ;-)

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 15 May 2003 22:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

wilder? what is the appeal of that piece of crap? when i heard it i though ' gee what an anti-climactic way to end a great album'.

keith (keithmcl), Friday, 16 May 2003 00:18 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I've heard them on several occassions and found them to be really weak and unsatisfying. Classic example of really wanting to like a band but not being able to. I don't know exactly what it is, they simply never made a spark for me. Maybe I need to give them another chance.

Clarke B., Friday, 16 May 2003 02:18 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Their cover of Zoom is ace, as is Almost Nearly There. Wasn't too mad on Oh, Brother, What's In The Box or Wish I Was Skinny for some reason. Thought they were too straightforward for me.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 22 May 2003 23:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I played all the albums again after reading this thread and came to the slightly unexpected conclusion that I actually like Kingsize best of them all - if they lopped The Future Is Now off the end and maybe Monuments For A Dead Century, it'd be 100% glorious streamlined pristine pop thing which adds weight to the "pastiche-is-NOT-a-dirty-word" argument.

I love the Boo Radleys again, now. Hurrah!

Alex in Rotherham (Alex in Doncaster), Friday, 23 May 2003 08:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
I have just bought Kingsize and on first listen, what strikes me is that
"Kingsize", the track, borrows from Sheena Easton's James Bond theme song, "For your eyes only". Does anyone else hear the 007/Bill "Rocky" Conti influence?

Cheers!

paul c, Monday, 23 June 2003 17:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Everything's Alright Forever arrived this morning. I'm about to dive in.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 23 June 2003 17:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Ha, I changed my earlier opinion. Bought Everything's Alright Forever used and am really enjoying it... I must've heard some of their later stuff or something.

Clarke B., Tuesday, 24 June 2003 05:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I just got "Giant Steps" back from my sister after she borrowed it for months on end, and after listening to it again I have solidyfied my theory that it is the greatest album ever.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 09:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Damn, I need to get Everything's Alright Forever. Especially considering that the excessive repeated play of one of the songs on it gave rise to the term "Carolanning".

Search: Boo Faith and the early EPs compilation
Destroy: everything post Giant Steps

kate (kate), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 09:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Here's one on vinyl, kate.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 09:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Thanks but I've not got a record player any more!

kate (kate), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 09:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Oh well.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 09:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

sucks to be you. even the big box stores here in american suburbs have 'em for about $100.

Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 13:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Aren't they one of those groups whose album covers got increasingly hideous as their music got increasingly lame?

Clarke B. (stolenbus), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 17:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Hey, you're mean.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 17:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

B-b-but Ned I said I really liked EAF! And I'll buy Giant Steps too and the early EPs as soon as I find 'em!

Clarke B. (stolenbus), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 17:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Rah. :-) Let me know if there's anything you can't dig up.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 June 2003 17:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

boooooooooo....!

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Friday, 31 March 2017 15:55 (three weeks ago) Permalink

The only songs I don't like much are the two singles - Wish I Was Skinny and Barney.

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Friday, 31 March 2017 15:58 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I love 'Barney (...And Me)', it reminds me of The Cure.

The Roger Waters Experience (Turrican), Friday, 31 March 2017 16:00 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Three singles, surely. ("I Hang Suspended")

Ned Raggett, Friday, 31 March 2017 16:00 (three weeks ago) Permalink

yeah but I like IHS

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Friday, 31 March 2017 16:00 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i don't like the particular jangle of the acoustic guitar on Barney. The lyrics feel chirpy and cheap, a bit like It's Lulu or Free Huey or C'Mon Kids. Always felt that the Boos picked their least interesting songs as singles.

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Friday, 31 March 2017 16:02 (three weeks ago) Permalink

cmon kids title track is amazing

an uptempo Pop/Hip Hop mentality (imago), Friday, 31 March 2017 16:03 (three weeks ago) Permalink

it has *that bit* in it

an uptempo Pop/Hip Hop mentality (imago), Friday, 31 March 2017 16:05 (three weeks ago) Permalink

They got progressively better with each album. C'mon Kids and Kingsize should be their albums which are celebrated.

PaulTMA, Friday, 31 March 2017 16:06 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Wake Up! should be celebrated more, it's not the shiny happy pop album almost everyone makes it out to be, either lyrically or compositionally. It's quite a sad, downbeat record.

The Roger Waters Experience (Turrican), Friday, 31 March 2017 16:20 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I think I've said this before, but that album is the best example of the difference between what I *thought* the lyrics were and what they actually were. Total depress-o-rama set to the catchiest tunes this side of catchy.

dlp9001, Friday, 31 March 2017 16:25 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I'm starting to make my peace with a lot of '90s UK guitar music... there was a period of a few years where, with one or two exceptions, it was the last thing I wanted to hear.

The Roger Waters Experience (Turrican), Friday, 31 March 2017 16:40 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I'm starting to make my peace with a lot of '90s UK guitar music... there was a period of a few years where, with one or two exceptions, it was the last thing I wanted to hear.

this.

yesterday i added my creation cds to the archive thinking i would never ever get any enjoyment out of them.
so randomly earlier today, i listened to the 18 wheeler album, year zero, and totally and utterly loved every minute of it.
was weird given that at the time it came out it did nothing for me.

mark e, Friday, 31 March 2017 18:21 (three weeks ago) Permalink

They got progressively better with each album. C'mon Kids and Kingsize should be their albums which are celebrated.

agreed

Bee OK, Friday, 31 March 2017 19:30 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I must have played "C'mon Kids" about twice, it didn't click with me. And seeing as it was a promo, I'd stopped playing it before bit had even come out. Liked the single b-sides more.

Anyway, last year I got the deluxe edition, and found that it was great after all.

While we're all here, I got the Rainbow Ffollies album 'Sallies forth' recently, and some of it definitely reminds me of the Boos, so see if you think so, why not?

Mark G, Friday, 31 March 2017 21:18 (three weeks ago) Permalink

About seven years ago, Stuart Campbell (yes, the video game journalist) did an alternate tracklisting for C'mon Kids which includes some B-sides of the period substituted for some of the album tracks.

The Roger Waters Experience (Turrican), Friday, 31 March 2017 21:25 (three weeks ago) Permalink

If I was trying to slim down Giant Steps I'd be happy to lose these ones: Thinking of Ways, Spun Around, Best Lose The Fear and The White Noise Revisited

Warren's Treat (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Saturday, 1 April 2017 19:51 (three weeks ago) Permalink

No.

Anyway, one time I tried to make a version with the long version of Lazarus, but it did not work. The slightly edited version was better.

Mark G, Saturday, 1 April 2017 20:18 (three weeks ago) Permalink

sorry guys but I have to step in here and say: Giant Steps is one of the very greatest albums ever made, and Kingsize... isn't

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Saturday, 1 April 2017 20:29 (three weeks ago) Permalink

but yeah, Wake Up is a hugely underrated record. I hear C'Mon Kids as the big (Brit)pop album really. That album is like 'what if Oasis really were obsessed with the Beatles?'. Wake Up, as expressed upthread, is the psych-oustic diary of someone who's going through some very difficult quarter-life crisis stuff and it's also a fantastic collection of songs.

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Saturday, 1 April 2017 20:36 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Does anyone else appreciate them as a songs band, but not an album band?

afriendlypioneer, Saturday, 1 April 2017 21:15 (three weeks ago) Permalink

There was a great run of 12"s that were essential back in the day but the LPs that followed weren't as good. Ichabod probably my favourite. #rockist

koogs, Saturday, 1 April 2017 21:25 (three weeks ago) Permalink

If I was trying to slim down Giant Steps I'd be happy to lose these ones: Thinking of Ways, Spun Around, Best Lose The Fear and The White Noise Revisited

― Warren's Treat (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:51 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ha, I'd gladly lose 'Spun Around', but I'd keep the rest. 'One Is For' is really the only other track I'd lose.

The Roger Waters Experience (Turrican), Saturday, 1 April 2017 23:13 (three weeks ago) Permalink

we changed your mind about Kingsize during their poll dog latin, sad that didn't last.

Bee OK, Sunday, 2 April 2017 00:11 (three weeks ago) Permalink

it's not a bad album by any means but there's no comparison. Some of the production choices are very much of their time and the artwork is atrocious. it's got some great songs on there but it's also got Free Huey cluttering up the front half while the last third drags a bit for me. I'd lose one or two tracks.

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Sunday, 2 April 2017 18:27 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Not enough dub for dog latin

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 2 April 2017 19:45 (three weeks ago) Permalink

'Comb Your Hair" was going to be the third Kingsize single, but Martin decided to split the band rather than have to play it ever again.

Mark G, Sunday, 2 April 2017 21:16 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Comb Your Hair sounds like a rehash of Pulp's Something Changed to me. I'd probably drop it

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Sunday, 2 April 2017 22:13 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Blimey that Martin Carr single is awful, it's like the office HR manager's sparetime band or something.

I love Giant Steps, it's one of those Tusk/White Album records where all the songs make a lovely single piece, including the less-good-bits and the ones that go on forever. Never really liked anything after that except "Ride the Tiger".

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 2 April 2017 23:37 (three weeks ago) Permalink

'Gold Lift' is better than 'Free Huey.' God, that song is irredeemable. The last minute feels like an hour.

afriendlypioneer, Monday, 3 April 2017 14:54 (three weeks ago) Permalink

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The Roger Waters Experience (Turrican), Monday, 3 April 2017 15:01 (three weeks ago) Permalink

sure "Free Huey" is their worst song and did not make our Top 40 in the Boo Radleys poll. they also released their best song "Kingsize" around this time. "Comb Your Hair" is such a great song, made my ballot.

Bee OK, Thursday, 6 April 2017 03:55 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Weird how high New Brighton Promenade made it in that poll. Some very interesting results. Firesky at number 10 is a surprise too. Still sour that Blues For George Michael didn't even place

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Thursday, 6 April 2017 07:54 (two weeks ago) Permalink

re: Kingsize. I feel like, starting about the time of C'Mon Kids, Carr became a great pop composer but his lyrical output was starting to wane, and this is felt very strongly on Kingsize. The lyrics on GS were always very personal but often shrouded in ambiguity, whereas on Kingsize and on later solo releases they become very literal almost to the extreme. Gold Lift is the most obvious example of 'bash-you-over-the-head-with-the-message' songwriting, but it started a lot earlier. Jimmy Webb, for example, has some lovely orchestration but the lyrics are really trite and simpering. I'd have called it a b-side. Monuments for A Dead Century, Melodies For The Blind, are musically fine but again I find the message is broadcast just a bit too brightly. There's no mystery or intrigue. Even on Wake Up, like, you knew he was singing about his life but not SPECIFICALLY so, and the weakest moments on that album (It's Lulu) told it exactly as it was.

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Tuesday, 11 April 2017 13:29 (one week ago) Permalink

Baby's gone but there'll be more
I'm only twenty three
My hair is thin, my size is large
What have I done to me
Pretty soon I'll fix a drink
Though I've been told it will kill me

"ambiguity"

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Tuesday, 11 April 2017 14:40 (one week ago) Permalink

The thing is, while there's plenty to praise about this band, I'm not convinced that Carr has ever been a particularly great lyricist. I think the lyrics fluctuated in quality from song to song, rather than album to album.

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Tuesday, 11 April 2017 14:42 (one week ago) Permalink

He's had a pretty thick head of hair, himself.

Sice's hair, well..

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 14:52 (one week ago) Permalink

"I don't really need, to be the way I are"

(shudd)

The rest is OK, but.

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 14:53 (one week ago) Permalink

that always really bugged me. then again Timbaland did it too and no one blinked

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Tuesday, 11 April 2017 14:54 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah, but Martin was supposed to be some sort of lyricist.

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 14:55 (one week ago) Permalink

Baby's gone but there'll be more
I'm only twenty three
My hair is thin, my size is large
What have I done to me
Pretty soon I'll fix a drink
Though I've been told it will kill me
"ambiguity"

― ...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Tuesday, April 11, 2017 3:40 PM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

See I really love that lyric but when he gets all agit-prop and expressive I find it really hard going (Twinside notwithstanding). That lyric feels legitimately like something you'd think when you get home drunk and heartbroken, whereas by the time he gets to C'Mon Kids he's using these weak cod-psychedelic metaphors about painting your life with colours.. Also: 'a fuel infected car'. Also: 'Monkeys dressed in uniforms thinking they own the place / Threatening to break my face'. There are a lot of cringey lyrics post-Wake Up that I just don't notice on their first few albums.

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Tuesday, 11 April 2017 15:00 (one week ago) Permalink

I'm still trying to figure out how Monuments for a Dead Century didn't even place in the poll. It's probably my favorite thing they ever did and the arrival of the final section is a thing of beauty that they only really perfected by Kingsize.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 13 April 2017 13:31 (one week ago) Permalink

i don't like the bit where they spell out 'millenium'

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Thursday, 13 April 2017 13:36 (one week ago) Permalink

A little hard to listen to these days. 'Giant Steps' sometimes moves me a bit, particularly "I Hang Suspended" but the bah-bah-ba-bah harmonies wear thin on me in 2017.

yesca, Thursday, 13 April 2017 13:39 (one week ago) Permalink

Xpost clearly not, otherwise you'd have been able to spell millennium.

(smiley)

Mark G, Thursday, 13 April 2017 19:33 (one week ago) Permalink

apparently they did it themselves when they first wrote the song and then had to work a way to change it

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Friday, 14 April 2017 10:45 (one week ago) Permalink

True.

Mark G, Friday, 14 April 2017 13:38 (one week ago) Permalink

'Monuments for a Dead Century' is ace! One of my favourite things on Kingsize, definitely. Listening back, Kingsize probably has the slickest, fattest sounding production of all their records.

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Friday, 14 April 2017 15:08 (one week ago) Permalink

you think? to me it sounds a little dry and plasticky. very '1998'. the psychedelic flute flourishes on Monuments sound like tacked-on psychedelic signifiers rather than the real thing

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Saturday, 15 April 2017 13:08 (one week ago) Permalink

Yup, although it is undoubtedly the least psychedelic of all their albums.

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Saturday, 15 April 2017 13:13 (one week ago) Permalink


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