Techno/house bobbins, 2009

I know it's a bit early for the thread (and admittedly this is mostly about 2008, but) I've noticed something something surprising on Discogs that raises a couple questions. I'm sure it's been like this for a while, but I just noticed that podcasts are a file format on Discogs.

I only noticed this because a release I was checking out, Louis Guilliaume, "Soulpoint II," had a track featured in RA's new podcast by Marcel Dettmann. Which, of course, has [url=http://www.discogs.com/release/1591262]its own Discogs page</url].

So what are the qualifications for being cataloged on Discogs as it stands right now? I see a bunch of really random things when putting "podcast" into the format field, but Resident Advisor is the one I see and recognize the most. Anyone know? What does this mean for mix CDs?

[x-posted, big time]

Also, the new Equalized record is stunning.

And I'm still garbage at ILM html, bleh.

i don't really think it's a good idea to have a "podcast" category there. it sort of confuses the question of what discogs is for.

Also, I feel like "One" and the "BeforeOne" EP could really take Ben Klock to a new level.

i used discogs twice today

1) the first time was to look up the tracklisting for the idjut boys "fistful of ferrets" mix, which i downloaded via ilx. i plan to buy it at some point - if i can actually track down a copy, don't want to break down and buy it from europe just yet - but for right now i just wanted to listen to it and discogs was the first thing that came to mind when i wanted to look at the details.

2) wanted to find out how / where i can get more tracks. i recently bought the "revenge of the iron ferret" comp, and today i was really struck by track 8. so i got on discogs, looked up the comp, and clicked on the artist link for track 8 (the muscleheads), which led me to a page showing that they haven't done anything else on disc except a remix of the oscillation.

i imagine you'd want the balance of use to be tilted to #2, because that path sort of leads toward online commerce.

I've seen that before for online mixes, such as non-podcast (but not live-recorded set either) mixes put out by Hotflush (the label) on their website, and from smaller organizations as well.

Rolling House/Techno Bobbins 2009

Ah jeez. Well um. This thread has more posts? :\

re discogs i'd think that any traffic to the site is a plus for them. plus an artist's podcast can be connected to their commercial output or the tracks contained in the podcast can be linked to sellers. even if you are just going there to look up a podcast tracklist, you are still picking their site first (there is a marketing word for this that escapes me at the moment).

my issue with discogs is that you can tell they are having database organization problems, just like every online music db before them. i also do not like how artists that record under multiple names are represented (or worse still, radio slave vs radioslave).

i initially came over to ilm to share this article (ny times arts article on martinez bros and history/future of nyc house and techno club culture).

this is december 2008 but really, really feeling the ilario alicante 12" on cecille

and speaking of cecille, it's probably old hat to keep going on about this track, but i just learned that the vocal samples on "nesrib" come from "the right stuff" by vanessa williams!

i really like the new kreon record on cecille numbers, nice hypnotic vocal samples

so are the martinez brothers actually any good??

I've heard they are known to play horrendous music...read in a few places they do that bizarro US DJ thing of suddenly playing an hour of pop hits or whatever. I would like to be more specific than that but I can't remember the exact gripe, just that it sounded a pretty bad experience.

That said it does sound like that mightn't be what they do all the time. Interesting they're recording with Argy.

i watched some clips on google video, tbh it sounded like common or garden variety progressive house business with some deep house vocals thrown in for good measure. all ten minute tribal tracks and five minute mixes. i mean maybe they'll take the torch from dennis ferrer but it's not like the rebirth of danny tenaglia or something.

Yeah it sounded really great when I first read about them but then I heard all these awful reports, like utterly scattergun DJ sets and stuff, possibly like the rebirth of 2008 Danny Tenaglia!

Their track was pretty good though.

The DJing kids thing has some novelty to it, Dad has a charming back story to match. They had an OK first single and the new one is a pastiche of 2008 house trends and sounds like a loosely produced version of S.I.S.'s "Nesrib." But the media loves a story, even if it doesn't amount to much.

“We’ve been looking to America for a long time,” Mr. Berkhahn said. “It’s where the house music we love comes from, where it started. And the producers we respect get older and older.” This is true of his DJing sets, at least; Innervisions has only worked with one American artist so far (unless you count massive Derrick Carter samples).

"Both visibly shied away from the idea that they represented the next generation of New York anything. (“We’re representing our personalities,” is how Christian put it, dismissively.)" At least the guys themselves are pretty down to Earth even as everyone else needs reality checks.

Which isn't to say being technically good DJs don't amount to much, but these two are probably not representative of the next generation of house producers from America. The Martinez Brothers' youth to talent ratio is their biggest selling point here, because the writer gets to completely ignore what else is going on in American house music except for a brief primer on the past and a Dennis Ferrer reference.

I wish the Martinez Brothers all the best in their careers and am glad they've garnered press coverage. I'm just not ready to read the NYT handing off the baton to them just yet.

"bizarro US DJ thing of suddenly playing an hour of pop hits or whatever"

sometimes this really works though! i don't enjoy it when it gets too girl talk-y or willfully eclectic, but a bpm/beat-style switch-up always has potential.

i was pretty surprised to read about ferrer and the european dudes in the nyt. i've never heard the martinez bros. guess i should've listened to the tracks posted with the article. i liked that the article at least when into some detail about the history of nyc dance music. sadly it's probably their quota of coverage for the year.

I need to describe it better.

To be fair to the article wasn't it NYC specific, in which case the Martinez Brothers are prob a big deal? Not sure it was supposed to be pan-American.

It seemed pretty NYC-centric if not specific.

"but these two are probably not representative of the next generation of house producers from America"

the one other thing that struck me about the piece was how it almost sounded like the writer wanted to will something like a reality show about kid djs into existence.

"gets to completely ignore what else is going on in American house music except for a brief primer on the past and a Dennis Ferrer reference"

haha and except to say that fans of house music are old. touche nyt reader.

I don't think you could fit Detroit into this piece, or at least don't think it should be mandatory, if that's the issue here. I mean I know plenty of people for whom that NYC tradition is really a huge deal (the only deal), who may not be as interested in other US artists. I can kind of exonerate that because I think it's a genuine flavour for want of a better word, of house/disco which certain people follow very closely.

I mean Dennis Ferrer typifies this. There's still definitely a New York scene in house music and it seems to me that's what the piece was about.

Yes, it would have been strange to try to encompass the rest of American house scenes in this specific piece, but written with a wider angle it could have easily included artists like Seth Troxler. When you're going with "the future of American house music" as your storyline it seems reductive and presumptive to lay the title at the feet of TMB without admitting there are other options, at least. The author Pitor Orlov is an MTV/CMJ guy in NYC, so I guess it's not much of a surprise that it took such a NYC/TMB-centric viewpoint.

not to go on and on but was the piece not calling TMF "the future of NYC deep house music"?

erm TMB rather...

I mean the piece is littered with "New York's" and doesn't claim to be about American house music as a whole.

To me it's only NYC centric because it's specifically about NYC! And it's TMB centric because it's specifically about that Dennis Ferrer post-disco lineage of NYC house of which they are the newest stars. Maybe there are other rivals to TMB within that scene...but Seth Troxler wouldn't really fit as one unless the article was about any and all house music in NYC.

Anyway the biggest debunk of these guys is that it seems Ferrer's been making tracks with them, and now has lined up Argy to do the same. No major personal problem with that but it does make their status as heirs seem a bit dubious.

yeah, don't think the article is really meant to be much more than a profile of the martinez brothers themselves, but whatever their story always tells well.

they're cute kids that'll draw a crowd and their sets are "bad" by any means, they're just doing somewhat typical / predictable stuff... like i recall a friend going to see them at ps1 and being able to predict about when they were going to drop cure and the cause and other usuals.

Ronan, you're right, I was skipping over the NYC mentions a bit too much.

Hopefully they'll learn from Ferrer/Argy and soon be on their own and not figureheads like Loco Dice, M.A.N.D.Y., or DJ T.

and speaking of cecille, it's probably old hat to keep going on about this track, but i just learned that the vocal samples on "nesrib" come from "the right stuff" by vanessa williams!

!!!!!

i did not know that song!

:D

I am finding this Vanessa Williams thing very entertaining.

Keep in mind also, Seth Troxler (who I am to believe lives in Berlin, anyways) isn't playing big room (North American) Clubs, unlike the Martinez Brothers. At least if the distinction of where and how often these respective DJ's have played here is any distinction.

On that subject, what do people think of Love Never Sleeps by him, I feel I'm not 'getting it' from the samples I've heard, although my enthusiasm for Adam Marshall and his remix live on, though.

vahid, the idjut boys' DC mix is an Amoeba exclusive for North America, so don't order from Europe!

i am really enjoying chloe's live at robert johnson mix

I've heard rumors that Kompakt just shut down their mp3 site and shifted everything over the beatport.

There is nothing official on the kompakt site site but their online catalog is now empty.

Does anyone know anything about this?

They're now offering their entire back catalogue to stream on their site, also. What implications this has I'm not entirely sure, seems like something they'd do to boost mp3 sales on their site.

@lex: may you share the link with us, please?

uhm it's a proper cd mix, i'm sure it'll turn up on the internet soon? dunno when it's released

It says on the new Kompakt site that their new online store will be up in March.

chloe mix for robert johnson looks decent, but i'm real excited for the prins thomas and gerd janson volumes (smagghe not so much)

Oh wow, someone booked Sammy Dee and Frivolous here. Hooray!

Without having really payed much attention to the mix, do you think the 2X LP sampler for Matthew Dear's Body Language is worth it. Condenses some stuff I wouldn't mind having into one place, but I dunno, mix samplers have also been kind of, weird to me, for some reason.

i say go for it if you want the trax. invariably a cheaper way of getting stuff.

it's got "ambee", best track on BL7 imo

its

wait no, that needs an apostrophe

i think

you're contracting it and has, so the apostrophe works.

just got the Petar Dundov - Escapements album. only heard it twice so far but it's fantastic. some ambient tracks, some detroit elements, some trancey bits.

I saw Martinez Bros. dj in new york without knowing who they were (I only looked on the internet afterward and saw all the "omg theyr in high school" writeups) and I thought it was great, their enthusiasm was infectious, it was fun to watch em play with huge smiles on their faces and everyone in the booth with em doing a whiplash neckbounce to every track

they did play some pop songs like Crystal Waters but it wasn't the majority

It says on the new Kompakt site that their new online store will be up in March.

That's good. I've always liked the selection on their site, but the interface was truely awful.

their interface was indeed vile

huh, that reminds me a bit of this weird, mellow frankie knuckles track i have on vinyl.

anyway, yeah, the shake retrospective is a bunch of records (including a bonus 7" (!!!) ) and then a CD a bit later. of course, i'm getting the digitial version because g4mall from backspin is handling it and sending it to me, etc...

Nina Kraviz - I'm Gonna Get You

as this been mentioned yet? the intro and spoken vocal could be shorter. but its creates an element of tension. 3.30 onwards is killer. deep deep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqh4UE4fIJ0

http://www.bodytonicmusic.com/podcasts/2009/dec/18/bodytonic-podcast-064-lowtec/ >> great

okay, so i've always liked what i've heard/had of Shake's stuff. but this compilation is 3.5 hours of impeccable, impeccable detroit techno. breathtaking stuff.

that was pretty much the reaction i had to daniel wang's.

my album of the year was modeselektor's "body language", i think.

Passed over a used copy of that the other day :S

buy it, it's real good

and i'm not a fan of modeselektor proper

for reference, i also really enjoyed this year

three chairs - spectrum
lcd soundsystem - 45:33 remixes
linkwood family - firecracker 04
linkwood family - intrusion dubs
demdike stare - symbios
mordant music - symptoms
shackleton - three EPs
alexander nut - rinse 08
pinch - tectonic plates 02

sort of out of touch with techno this year, tbh

Alright I'm sold. BUt only because of boxing week sales (I might be able to get it for as little as $6)

Still, after having bought like 22 records (including a 2XLP and a 3XLP) and with 4 unlistened to CD's on the table, this better be good!

I guess this is my last day to mention it before anything 2009 falls out of relevance and into oblivion, but Tensnake's In the End (I Want You to Cry) is just perfect.

That's one reason why I tend to love December, thanks to year end charts, all this wonderful stuff I've passed over is delivered straight to me.

yep i think In the End is my fave 2009 bobbins. so happy/sad, so lush. kinda disco too :)

i don't want to start the 2010 bobbins thread but wanted to ask if anyone likes soul clap?

also am enjoying aja "lovestoned" (gui boratto rmx)

err ada

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7hP38364x0

someone come up with a catchy title for 2010 thread

techno/house bobbins, 2010

not catchy

I've been scouring this thread for a good pipecock quote to use, but so far, nothing.

techno/house bobbins, 2010 (not techno/house bobbins, 2010)

One would think that you listen to next to no TECHNO / HOUSE BOBBINS 2010 if you like this

you've got my vote

ha!

Missives from the techno/house massive (2010)

are we on dissensus?

So is there one of these for 2010 yet?

Let's call it: "minimal house bobbins 2010"

That said, seeing stuff like this confounds me, i.e. why are people still talking about "the death of minimal", no less as a predicition for the future? If the entire time it's been an empty term (or in fancy words, a floating signifier) that served to unify a broadly dispersed range of music, and later, as an even more empty term that served no purpose beyond something to vocally disown in order to show how past it you are, the inability of many to just let it go (to mourn minimal as it were) has gotten ridiculous. Doesn't disowning/disavowing "minimal" at this point just say more about one's prolonged reliance on the term than about it actually being over, could these gestures be any more meaningless?

But I digress, and we are a week into 2010 anyways.

Dave Clarke expects to see the death of all music he doesn't like, to be replaced by stuff he does. Next-level futurology there.

Dave Clarke: “It’s tough to predict 10 years in advance but thankfully minimal is now dead in cultured areas such as Europe.”

what a berk

edb otm...says it all about how much has actually happened in house/techno in the last what...3 years?

Yeah, To reiterate what I said before, the prolonged pronouncement of the death of minimal is just a way of keeping it alive for no reason than to rag on it and show off how relevant you supposedly are. From what I can tell people haven't really been playing banging dave-clarke style techno for some time anyhow, ragging on minimal now seems to just reek of a sort of desperation, (and it's not just dave clarke, too, even intelligent critics like the mnml ssgs guys have gotten good mileage out of proclamations of having "never (been) mnml" although they haven't really been doing that for a good while, actually).

It's interesting when you consider how lots of the critically lauded stuff of 09 - Levon Vincent, Marcell Dettman, Norman Nodge, etc. is very close to Robert Hood style Minimal techno, and at the same time is seen as a sort of antithesis to minimal. I'm curious how it would have been treated 3-4 years ago? Today, though, if a Mobilee circa 2006 record came out, I doubt anyone would make anything of it as "minimal".

My view is that techno hasn't really done all that much different since Acid Tracks and Voodoo Ray, people have just been calling it different things and getting really worked up about semantics.

"What is house", indeed.

vahid's suggestion is obv superior, if you don't agree you must not listen to much TECHNO/HOUSE BOBBINS 2010

can we call it DAVE CLARKE 2010?

JOSH WINK 2010

You used to be able put a minimal record on a record player. Today dave clarke opens his mouth and a torrent of shit literally pours out, drowning a pensioner leaving a hospice

Wow, can we call the new thread that!

obv nobody banging down the door to start a new thread...

well, with minimal dead, whats the point, really

The 2008 thread has been pretty boring (though without checking I'm pretty sure there are a couple of flamewars re the battle for the soul of house/techno upthread), and I think it's because of the vibeless broadness of its remit. "House/Techno" is not something that you can really get behind as a movement unless you have a wilfully perverse definition of what counts as "real".

I suspect that threads that are actually about a particular trend rather than just a kind-of sub-twitter about good new tracks would be much more successful and interesting.

Worth comparing with the original version of this thread back in 2004: 2004's Electro-House Classics

you could use that attitude to justify anything max...what's the point of getting up in the morning....or what's the point of breathing????

lol

I think we should have a YouTube Embends Only rule for the 2010 thread.

max stopped breathing before it was cool

Dude, first Kurt was taken from us, then Minimal, it's like, I don't even know anymore man...

RT @Josephhallam84 So, someones deleted Random Circuits so it no longer exists, how pathetic! All our work, mixes, gone forever!

so so sad, man..

still no new thread?

http://mnmlssg.blogspot.com/2010/01/mnml-ssgs-mx48-redshape.html

Rolling Dance Partisans 2010 (Also bobbin, bobbins, bobbins!)