I read some of that earlier, Ned: thank you for reminding me to finish it!
― grimly fiendish, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:48 (4 years ago) Permalink
I can't work up much enthusiasm for either band, even though they both have a few songs I really like. Maybe I will vote to delete the universe.
― askance johnson, Monday, 8 December 2008 20:55 (4 years ago) Permalink
I'm not the biggest fan of New Order (thought they have some great singles), but Joy Division encapsulates almost everything I hate in rock music (overt gloominess and seriousness, cult of personality, needless ennui, unsexiness, etc), so it's pretty easy to vote for NO.
― Tuomas, Monday, 8 December 2008 21:01 (4 years ago) Permalink
Yeh, I'm pretty sure Ian Curtis's friends and loved ones would agree that his disaffection was contrived and needless. I think that much was obvious by the way he just snapped out of it, pulled himself together and stopped feeling sorry for himself.
If, on the other hand, that's an accusation you're levelling at fans rather than the band ... aye, fair play some of the time, I guess. Even so, I think you're missing something deeper ... but I would say that, wouldn't I?
― grimly fiendish, Monday, 8 December 2008 21:36 (4 years ago) Permalink
other two!
lol this is comically impossible. I am a typical ILXor in revering these two bands as the apotheosis of punk/post-punk respectively. J.D. had 0% filler in their lean, brilliant, tragically abbreviated career. N.O. had plenty of dud moments and some latter-day meh albums, but their many career highs rank as some of my very favorite music. I do not think I can vote. I probably will eventually, but it will be arbitrary.
― D'Andrelo, the gay white ex-con (Pillbox), Monday, 8 December 2008 21:46 (4 years ago) Permalink
I'm not talking about the people behind the music, just about music itself. I'm sure Curtis had plenty of reasons to feel the way he did, but that doesn't make the music any more appealing to me.
― Tuomas, Monday, 8 December 2008 22:12 (4 years ago) Permalink
New Order, easy
― baaderonixx, Monday, 8 December 2008 22:22 (4 years ago) Permalink
Tuomas: OK, but I still think "cult of personality" is an odd accusation to level at, er, music ;)
― grimly fiendish, Monday, 8 December 2008 23:42 (4 years ago) Permalink
(ie as opposed to at a person, or people).
― grimly fiendish, Monday, 8 December 2008 23:45 (4 years ago) Permalink
I know it's been talked to death , but I did just want to prove it by science with a poll.
― The All-Singing All-Dancing Unstoppable Kate (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 00:21 (4 years ago) Permalink
I'm going for NO but hate having to choose. JD had such a huge impact on the 16 year old Trifle but the fact that they came out of that and made another band who were incredible for such a long time gives them the edge. Also, over the years, I've had to argue that NO are the GREATEST BAND EVER so many times, I think I actually believe it now, even though the 2 JD albums + Atmosphere + LWTUA are just about as perfect a discography as you could have. Oh, damn it I'm starting talk myself out of my vote.
― Holden McGroin (Ned Trifle II), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 00:41 (4 years ago) Permalink
I've just realised that you are right, New Order *are* the greatest. band. ever. This is kind of earth-shattering and paradigm-shifting for me.
― The All-Singing All-Dancing Unstoppable Kate (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 00:45 (4 years ago) Permalink
...now I'm gonna go watch Barney in short shorts some more!
lol. Short shorts and white high tops.
― redmond, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 11:42 (4 years ago) Permalink
New Order
― negotiable, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 11:50 (4 years ago) Permalink
I have tried with Joy Div, but apart from the singles and a few ISOLATIoNNN!! ISolAtionnnn! ahem.. isolated tracks, I can't muster up the love.
NO, though.. easy.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 11:54 (4 years ago) Permalink
Joy Division didn't last long enough to be usefully compared with New Order - if that makes any sense
― Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 11:59 (4 years ago) Permalink
If you discount their earliest days, Joy Division made surprisingly few missteps. Their oeuvre is small but perfect. Of their fifty odd songs, there are probably only two or three I don't much like. New Order are a bit more hit and miss, some of their stuff has dated more, some of Bernard's doggerel comes close to ruining good songs, some of their remixes aren't too good, I don't especially care for their last couple of albums. And I can't imagine Ian Curtis doing World In Motion.
― Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 12:51 (4 years ago) Permalink
or "Anarchy in the UK" still, they were not kidding about their version of "Louie Louie" right?
― Mark G, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 12:54 (4 years ago) Permalink
IC died young. He may have turned into an embarrasing old fart like the rest of us too.
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 13:07 (4 years ago) Permalink
I can't imagine Ian Curtis doing World In Motion.
Talk about missed opportunities!
― Ca-hoot na na na oh oh (HI DERE), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 14:43 (4 years ago) Permalink
I suspect IC would have been a fun-hating negative influence on NO's continued development. Part of what makes NO great is their total willingness to make utter fools of themselves - World In Motion, playing on the Babewatch set - because their willingness to make fools of themselves results in genius just as often as it does in foolishness.
― The All-Singing All-Dancing Unstoppable Kate (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 15:09 (4 years ago) Permalink
Bull props to Barney for not becoming a new "ian" even though there were many impersonators, and not writing overached poetry in response to Ian's great writing.
I know that's damning with faint praise to say the least, but they would have come unstuck trying to continue 'with the good work'...
― Mark G, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 15:12 (4 years ago) Permalink
bull props? Ahem, full props, obv.
Is that a rugby union term or sumptin'?
― Ich Ber ein Binliner (Tom D.), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 15:13 (4 years ago) Permalink
I'm still boggling at the idea of Ian Curtis grumping his way through "World In Motion".
― Ca-hoot na na na oh oh (HI DERE), Tuesday, 9 December 2008 15:22 (4 years ago) Permalink
haha me too
― baaderonixx, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 15:23 (4 years ago) Permalink
eeeeeeeeeng-errrrrrrrrrrr-land
Maybe he could have done the rap bit.
― Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 15:24 (4 years ago) Permalink
Would Ian Curtis ever perform in boxer shorts, tall white socks and loafers?
i doubt it.
NEW ORDER!
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 19:52 (4 years ago) Permalink
I love Barney's scratched on the back of a napkin between cups of tea lyrics.
― leavethecapital, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 22:16 (4 years ago) Permalink
Which is funny because 'scratched on the back of a napkin between cups of tea' is a lyric from an unreleased song during the Brotherhood sessions.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 22:17 (4 years ago) Permalink
(The song was of course called "A Corner.")
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 22:18 (4 years ago) Permalink
There's Pernod in that tea, I imagine.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 22:19 (4 years ago) Permalink
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Monday, 15 December 2008 00:01 (4 years ago) Permalink
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 00:01 (4 years ago) Permalink
i may have voted for the same group twice
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 00:06 (4 years ago) Permalink
Well, I'm satisfied with those results.
― Ironic Erection - LOLFAP LOLFAP LOLFAP (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 16 December 2008 11:14 (4 years ago) Permalink
We won!
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 11:17 (4 years ago) Permalink
Very satisfactory. JD are awesome but NO are the awesomest. Am listening to Perfect Kiss now.
― Holden McGroin (Ned Trifle II), Tuesday, 16 December 2008 12:05 (4 years ago) Permalink
This is the way things must be.
― Millsner, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 01:42 (4 years ago) Permalink
fail!
― what U cry 4 (jim), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 02:07 (4 years ago) Permalink
IN THE END YOU WILL SUBMIT IT'S GOT TO HURT YOU A LITTLE BITI need help. Please, I need help.
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― With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Friday, 2 January 2009 05:19 (4 years ago) Permalink
Fuck it all
― With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Friday, 2 January 2009 05:20 (4 years ago) Permalink
"I've lived my life on alcohol/I've lived my life on pills/it's called love/and it's the only thing worth living for"
― With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Friday, 2 January 2009 05:21 (4 years ago) Permalink
Just shove your Blue Monday up your ass, give up. Forget it.
― With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Friday, 2 January 2009 05:22 (4 years ago) Permalink
Bizarre Love Triangle fuckers can come out of the closet now and DIE, just DIE.
― With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Friday, 2 January 2009 05:23 (4 years ago) Permalink
Man, I didn't see this thread until now. ;_;
The answer is Joy Division, btw.
― Someone Still Loves You Evan and Jaron (Tape Store), Friday, 2 January 2009 05:25 (4 years ago) Permalink
Thank you Tape Store!!! :)
Oh just fuck it all
― With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Friday, 2 January 2009 05:26 (4 years ago) Permalink
Grimly, help. Where is grimly when I need him?
― With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Friday, 2 January 2009 05:27 (4 years ago) Permalink
CROWS! I HATE THEM!
seriously, blackbirds on capitol hill are vicious.
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 2 January 2009 05:49 (4 years ago) Permalink
I played the 7" and 12" versions of Temptation back-to-back for a friend last night, driving in the middle of a snow squall. At her suggestion, even!
― Millsner, Friday, 2 January 2009 06:07 (4 years ago) Permalink
how did you keep the record player steady?
― milling through the grinder, grinding through the mill (S-), Friday, 2 January 2009 06:22 (4 years ago) Permalink
a steady hand
― Millsner, Friday, 2 January 2009 06:25 (4 years ago) Permalink
I hate you all you're going to make me have a vinyl orgasm in about 45 seconds
― With Oatmeal Sauce (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Friday, 2 January 2009 06:37 (4 years ago) Permalink
― Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 15 July 2009 00:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
Okay what the hell
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 19:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
that is just bizarre all the way around
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 19:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
gah. jamie oliver is everywhere.
― kid steel (cajunsunday), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 19:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
Explains why the New Order remastering has been such a problem. I can hear Keith Allen now: "Nah, mate, the original tapes went missing..."
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 20:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
Guns, jewelry and Factory masters? I bet the police can beat this out of Bez.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 20:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
Shaun was all ready to call Tony Wilson with the ransom demands but then couldn't remember where he left everything and soon forgot there was a stash house in the first place.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 20:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
crazy. hopefully we'll see something neat come from those tapes provided Hooky and Barney can talk to each other long enough to get it done
― Edward Bax, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
Hooky found the original master for "Unknown Pleasures" in much the same way, in the basement of the Hacienda. According to his book, it was acting as grounding for the dance floor.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 00:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
The Onion weighs in
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
Hopefully the masters are in pretty good shape. I seem to remember Robert Smith saying a few years back that the masters to 'Seventeen Seconds' got severely damaged.
― Turrican, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
this wasn't true, btw, it was clarified elsewhere that this situation is the one hook outlined as happeneing several years ago. people misinterpreted oliver's tweet.
― akm, Friday, 17 February 2012 23:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
Alan Mcgee is flogging off all his old shit and it contains many, many items of interest to the New Order / Joy Division obsessive such as myself (but please don't bid on item 91 because I want that for sentimentral reasons - k thanx)
New Order stuff
Joy Division stuff
― Ned Trifle X, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 11:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
aww i was hoping one of the t-shirts was the one with ian with head in hands & lots of small orange squares at the bottom - they were everywhere c. 1983-5 and i'd get all sentimental for one of those (+ that photocopied book collecting music press clippings & badly transcribed lyrics!)
― zappi, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 12:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
Which one is item 91? You can't tell until after you've clicked on one.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 12:32 (1 year ago) Permalink
"Prev Lot | Next Lot" on right hand side once you've clicked on one
― zappi, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 12:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
It's a poster for a gig in 1988 with the Mondays and ACR. I went with the woman who is now Mrs. Trifle (awwww...).
― Ned Trifle X, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
http://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/omega-auctions/catalogue-id-2855969/lot-13310497
― Ned Trifle X, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:24 (1 year ago) Permalink