"Is it rolling, Bob?": aka the 2008 P&J/Idolator trolling thread

what?

according to metacritic:

1 Steinski: What Does It All Mean? 1983-2006 Retrospective 90
2 The Bug: London Zoo 90
3 Plush: Fed 89
4 Bon Iver: For Emma, Forever Ago 89
5 TV On The Radio: Dear Science, 88
6 Fleet Foxes: Fleet Foxes 87
7 Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds: Dig!!! Lazarus Dig!!! 87
8 Robyn: Robyn 86
9 Hercules And Love Affair: Hercules And Love Affair 86
10 Protest The Hero: Fortress 86

jeez, i've heard all of two of those.

TVOTR or Portishead will win one of the polls, right?

it's October

really?

xp

yep.

Metacritic's ability to pass off its subjectivity as objectivity always bugs me. They pick and choose certain sources and leave many others out.

yeah my first reaction is that tvotr will will most of these yr end lists

yeah, metacritic sucks, but it's pretty much all we get pre-dec.

will win xp

Oh No, Pass the Lord and Praise the Ammunition--It’s Time for the 2007 P&J / Jackin’ Pop Prognostication Thread!

It's September.

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, September 20, 2007 5:58 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

heheh...some things (almost) never change.

Lil Wayne maybe?

Stop posting.

ok.

Wayne'll finish Top 5 with all his #9 and #10 votes, right?

And Dylan for reissue in a walk, not that I've heard it.

I'd be kinda surprised if TVOTR ranked as well with this album as they did with the last.

Me too. To me, there doesn't seem to be any clear breakout front runner EXCEPT Wayne, and lots of people don't like the album.

dr. phil, I want to know what are your favorite duranguese and banda and norteno cds for the year? You used to (still ?) write about such genres, right?

yeah, the new TVOTR doesn't seem to have the same kind of sweeping impact their last one had so i'll be really surprised if they end up walking either (both?) polls. it seems like a strange year for breakout crit-pick albums, tho. what about singles? has anything really stood out like "Rehab" and "Umbrella" did last year? um, "Paper Planes" doesn't stand much of a chance, does it?

"I'm Yours"?
"American Boy"?
"I Kissed a Girl and I Liked It"?
"Pocketful of Sunshine"?

At a guess, in no particular order - TVOTR, Portishead, Vampire Weekend, Lil Wayne, Bon Iver, Fleet Foxes, Hercules & Love Affair

Singles? Estelle, MIA and Santogold surely but then I'm stumped

Don't forget Badu.

(on the album list)

Yeah, sorry, I typed that too quickly - Badu's a definite

"A Milli" is gonna sweep singles, guys.

Come on now.

it'll be top 10, maybe top 5. no way a sweep.

Paper Planes" doesn't stand much of a chance, does it?

Sure it does -- could even win, if they tally carroyover votes right.

But yeah, I was thinking "A Milli" had a real shot, too. And I'd be surprised if Lil Wayne didn't take the albums (though I've been surprised before.)

Is Bon Iver really that big a deal? Not convinced Portishead will be top 10, either (they've never come close before, I don't think, and I get the idea they get bigger crit-love outside of the US.)

I'm guessing Raphael Saadiq could be top 10, though.

(And yeah, that metacritic top 10 is useless in predicting Pazz & Jop; always is. Though if people think of Steinski as a reissue -- assuming there's a reissue ballot -- that could do well there.)

(And okay, maybe Top 20 for Saadiq -- which I don't like all that much myself -- is more realistic.)

Curious how people think these will do: Black Kids, No Age, Fucked Up, The Knux, Ne-Yo, James McMurtry. (Some probably won't place at all, though I bet Ne-Yo does well.)

"Swagga Like Us" could do well singles-wise too, right? (Unless people hate it and I just never noticed.) What about "Love Lockdown"?

it'll be top 10, maybe top 5. no way a sweep.

― some dude, Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:14 AM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I'd put $100 on it. That's how sure I am.

1/10,000th of a milli.

Hercules & Love Affair's "Blind" may have a shot too.

"Love Lockdown" top 5 for sure.

Curious how people think these will do: Black Kids, No Age, Fucked Up, The Knux, Ne-Yo, James McMurtry. (Some probably won't place at all, though I bet Ne-Yo does well.)

I don't think enough people are familiar with the Knux (is that record even out yet?) and Fucked Up. Black Kids got a little bit of a critical drubbing but should do decent with rockist alt-weekly editors. No Age probably has a placing, followed by Ne-Yo.

I'm probably the biggest indie apologist on ilx, but I can't figure out the Fleet Foxes love to save my life. Love Bon Iver though. Was MGMT this year? Not saying it deserves to be on that list (which has at least 2 things I've never heard, and 1 thing I've never even HEARD of), but they got HUGE, right?

Their contingent will consist of voters too young to remember Crosby, Stills, and Nash.

xhuxk, is anything from the country side of the fence likely to do well on either poll this year? (not counting the inevitable DBT placing, of course).

is anything from the country side of the fence likely to do well on either poll

I dunno, alt-country stuff like Lucinda Williams and that McMurtry album and Hayes Carrl will get some votes, though maybe not enough to place. As for Nashville stuff, I definitely won't be the only person to vote for Jamey Johnson, but I doubt it will get enough support to make a difference. Um...Willie Nelson (with or without Branford Marsalis)? Dolly Parton? I dunno.

Was wondering about token metal/hard rock finishers, too: Harvey Milk? Made Out of Babies? Metallica?? Guns N Roses???

i take it there's nothing like last years Miranda Lambert album for folks to rally round this time out then?

I'd add Kathleen Edwards to that alt-country crop.

"what?"

(you must imagine this being said by will forte on last week's SNL)

"Love Lockdown" top 5 for sure.

― Whiney G. Soundgarden (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:56 AM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

more crazy pills! "Stronger" wasn't top 5 last year, and that song's much closer to "Stronger" in terms of popularity than "Gold Digger."

i take it there's nothing like last years Miranda Lambert album for folks to rally round this time out then?

Not that I can think of. Unless people start rallying around Taylor Swift when it comes out (which is possible, but not real likely.)

Guess Kid Rock "All Summer Long" could conceivably place in the singles, if that counts. Though I bet he doesn't do as good as Katy Perry.

Ashton Shepherd is the lone country choice on Sasha Frere-Jones album list on his blog. Maybe she'll get some votes.

stefan's stats on Acclaimed Music Forum collates critics data from online and print sources

UPDATE : 01/10/08 : MEGA-CRITIC : Best Reviewed Albums Of 2008 So Far
http://pub37.bravenet.com/forum/3172289350/show/904435

THE MEGA-CRITIC-CHARTS :

The current position is followed by last month´s position in brackets, then the adjusted score, followed by the average rating and the number of reviews in brackets.

The scores after the title are the individual positions/adjusted scores for Europe, the UK and the US, followed by the current Metacritic score.

01. (01 ) 76,56 - 88,06 (24 ) Fleet Foxes ´Fleet Foxes´
EU : 01. 79,83 - UK : 02. 76,53 - US : 04. 71,96 - MC : 87

02. (02 ) 74,07 - 83,69 (26 ) Portishead ´Third´
EU : 02. 74,48 - UK : 05. 74,49 - US : 03. 73,13 - MC : 85

03. (03 ) 73,15 - 82,40 (26 ) Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds ´Dig!!! Lazarus Dig!!!´
EU : 08. 70,29 - UK : 02. 76,53 - US : 02. 74,11 - MC : 87

04. (00 ) 72,28 - 82,82 (22 ) TV On The Radio ´Dear Science´
EU : 21. 67,91 - UK : 08. 73,86 - US : 01. 76,67 - MC : 91

05. (05 ) 71,87 - 81,76 (23 ) Bon Iver ´For Emma, Forever Ago´
EU : 10. 70,19 - UK : 01. 77,55 - US : 19. 68,63 - MC : 89

06. (04 ) 71,84 - 80,92 (25 ) The Hold Steady ´Stay Positive´
EU : 11. 70,14 - UK : 04. 75,51 - US : 06. 70,80 - MC : 85

07. (06 ) 70,74 - 79,73 (24 ) Hercules And Love Affair ´Hercules And Love Affair´
EU : 23. 67,88 - UK : 05. 74,49 - US : 05. 71,18 - MC : 86

08. (07 ) 70,63 - 78,89 (26 ) Vampire Weekend ´Vampire Weekend´
EU : 06. 70,97 - UK : 13. 71,43 - US : 11. 69,46 - MC : 82

09. (09 ) 69,77 - 81,19 (18 ) Randy Newman ´Harps & Angels´
EU : 03. 72,12 - UK : 43. 67,65 - US : 40. 67,08 - MC : 85

10. (08 ) 69,53 - 81,47 (17 ) Lil Wayne ´Tha Carter III´
EU : 05. 71,06 - UK : 43. 67,65 - US : 13. 69,22 - MC : 82

11. (10 ) 69,26 - 80,39 (18 ) Erykah Badu ´New Amerykah : Part One (4th World War)´
EU : 15. 68,60 - UK : 32. 69,23 - US : 08. 70,11 - MC : 82

12. (11 ) 68,86 - 79,18 (19 ) Silver Jews ´Lookout Mountain, Lookout Sea´
EU : 20. 68,03 - UK : 16. 70,51 - US : 20. 68,53 - MC : 78

13. (12 ) 67,94 - 78,91 (17 ) Elbow ´The Seldom Seen Kid´
EU : 51. 64,42 - UK : 05. 74,49 - US : 94. 64,15 - MC : 82

14. (13 ) 67,87 - 75,96 (23 ) The Last Shadow Puppets ´The Age Of The Understatement´
EU : 04. 71,53 - UK : 71. 66,33 - US : 00000000 - MC : 77

15. (14 ) 67,66 - 78,47 (17 ) No Age ´Nouns´
EU : 16. 68,56 - UK : 00000000 - US : 18. 68,73 - MC : 79

16. (15 ) 67,61 - 75,93 (22 ) Sigur Ros ´Med Sud I Eyrum Vid Spilum Endalaust´
EU : 12. 69,89 - UK : 23. 69,39 - US : 00000000 - MC : 81

17. (16 ) 67,44 - 79,53 (15 ) The Bug ´London Zoo´
EU : 56. 64,14 - UK : 12. 71,59 - US : 39. 67,10 - MC : 90

18. (17 ) 67,38 - 76,90 (19 ) The Dodos ´Visiter´
EU : 45. 64,91 - UK : 19. 70,46 - US : 33. 67,50 - MC : 83

19. (18 ) 67,12 - 75,60 (21 ) Black Mountain ´In The Future´
EU : 19. 68,19 - UK : 61. 67,05 - US : 55. 65,88 - MC : 79

20. (19 ) 66,90 - 74,54 (23 ) MGMT ´Oracular Spectacular´
EU : 09. 70,24 - UK : 21. 70,41 - US : 00000000 - MC : 76

21. (20 ) 66,86 - 73,88 (25 ) Hot Chip ´Made In The Dark´
EU : 36. 65,87 - UK : 00000000 - US : 10. 69,51 - MC : 78

22. (21 ) 66,51 - 74,69 (21 ) The Gutter Twins ´Saturnalia´
EU : 14. 68,85 - UK : 40. 67,95 - US : 00000000 - MC : 80

23. (00 ) 66,50 - 82,09 (11 ) Glasvegas ´Glasvegas´
EU : 13. 69,41 - UK : 23. 69,39 - US : 00000000 - MC : 83

24. (22 ) 66,43 - 73,26 (25 ) R.E.M. ´Accelerate´
EU : 58. 63,93 - UK : 23. 69,39 - US : 36. 67,35 - MC : 79

25. (23 ) 66,41 - 75,89 (18 ) Drive-By Truckers ´Brighter Than Creation´s Dark´
EU : 07. 70,70 - UK : 00000000 - US : 81. 64,71 - MC : 83

26. (24 ) 66,20 - 75,56 (18 ) Los Campesinos! ´Hold On Now,Youngster´
EU : 63. 63,68 - UK : 37. 68,37 - US : 38. 67,22 - MC : 81

27. (40 ) 66,17 - 79,16 (13 ) Late Of The Pier ´Fantasy Black Channel´
EU : 53. 64,28 - UK : 09. 73,47 - US : 00000000 - MC : 00

28. (25 ) 66,10 - 73,71 (22 ) Santogold ´Santogold´
EU : 26. 67,58 - UK : 00000000 - US : 15. 69,13 - MC : 77

29. (26 ) 65,83 - 73,32 (22 ) Wolf Parade ´At Mount Zoomer´
EU : 24. 67,84 - UK : 00000000 - US : 23. 68,21 - MC : 78

30. (27 ) 65,70 - 77,36 (14 ) Bonnie ´Prince´ Billy ´Lie Down In The Light´
EU : 42. 65,18 - UK : 43. 67,65 - US : 82. 64,52 - MC : 80

31. (28 ) 65,67 - 73,43 (21 ) The Black Keys ´Attack And Release´
EU : 30. 66,69 - UK : 71. 66,33 - US : 00000000 - MC : 76

32. (29 ) 65,47 - 77,85 (13 ) Robert Forster ´The Evangelist´
EU : 22. 67,89 - UK : 92. 65,52 - US : 00000000 - MC : 81

33. (37 ) 65,46 - 72,77 (22 ) Lykke Li ´Youth Novels´
EU : 34. 65,90 - UK : 71. 66,33 - US : 00000000 - MC : 76

34. (30 ) 65,33 - 71,98 (24 ) The Breeders ´Mountain Battles´
EU : 00000000 - UK : 37. 68,37 - US : 16. 68,93 - MC : 75

35. (31 ) 65,33 - 74,71 (17 ) Why? ´Alopecia´
EU : 00000000 - UK : 00000000 - US : 09. 70,10 - MC : 76

36. (32 ) 65,31 - 71,68 (25 ) Magnetic Fields ´Distortion´
EU : 25. 67,78 - UK : 00000000 - US : 33. 67,50 - MC : 79

37. (33 ) 65,24 - 71,58 (25 ) Cat Power ´Jukebox´
EU : 29. 66,72 - UK : 00000000 - US : 73. 64,90 - MC : 72

38. (34 ) 65,24 - 73,58 (19 ) Spiritualized ´Songs In A & E´
EU : 93. 62,19 - UK : 61. 67,05 - US : 37. 67,28 - MC : 76

39. (35 ) 65,20 - 71,52 (25 ) Beck ´Modern Guilt´
EU : 49. 64,65 - UK : 00000000 - US : 56. 65,80 - MC : 77

40. (36 ) 65,04 - 75,47 (15 ) Al Green ´Lay It Down´
EU : 41. 65,29 - UK : 00000000 - US : 35. 67,44 - MC : 81

41. (37 ) 65,00 - 74,75 (16 ) Neon Neon ´Stainless Style´
EU : 00000000 - UK : 21. 70,41 - US : 90. 64,39 - MC : 79

41. (37 ) 65,00 - 72,43 (21 ) Joan As Police Woman ´To Survive´
EU : 00000000 - UK : 13. 71,43 - US : 00000000 - MC 76

43. (00 ) 64,96 - 76,92 (13 ) Flying Lotus ´Los Angeles´
EU : 68. 63,45 - UK : 00000000 - US : 42. 66,71 - MC : 00

44. (41 ) 64,78 - 77,58 (12 ) Ry Cooder ´I, Flathead´
EU : 17. 68,51 - UK : 00000000 - US : 00000000 - MC : 00

45. (42 ) 64,72 - 74,93 (15 ) Wire ´Object 47´
EU : 75. 63,19 - UK : 00000000 - US : 21. 68,48 - MC : 77

46. (43 ) 64,72 - 73,22 (18 ) Cass Mccombs ´Dropping The Writ´
EU : 48. 64,68 - UK : 28. 69,32 - US : 00000000 - MC : 00

47. (44 ) 64,67 - 78,55 (11 ) Earth ´The Bees Made Honey In The Lion´s Skull´
EU : 67. 63,51 - UK : 58. 67,24 - US : 96. 64,03 - MC : 00

48. (45 ) 64,59 - 72,58 (19 ) The Mountain Goats ´Heretic Pride´
EU : 00000000 - UK : 61. 67,05 - US : 13. 69,22 - MC : 74

49. (46 ) 64,59 - 70,42 (26 ) Conor Oberst ´Conor Oberst´
EU : 33. 66,10 - UK : 00000000 - US : 00000000 - MC : 75

50. (47 ) 64,53 - 78,27 (11 ) Frightened Rabbit ´The Midnight Organ Fight´
EU : 00000000 - UK : 77. 66,18 - US : 77. 64,76 - MC : 80

THE BUBBLERS :

53. (00 ) 64,46 - 77,00 (12 ) Roots Manuva ´Slime & Reason´
EU : 55. 64,15 - UK : 28. 69,32 - US : 00000000 - MC : 79

55. (56 ) 64,45 - 74,47 (15 ) Lindström ´Where You Go I Go Too´
EU : 00000000 - UK : 77. 66,18 - US : 26. 68,04 - MC : 82

56. (00 ) 64,44 - 72,78 (18 ) Calexico ´Carried To Dust´
EU : 89. 62,46 - UK : 83. 65,91 - US : 64. 65,61 - MC : 77

59. (96 ) 64,29 - 74,20 (15 ) The Cool Kids ´The Bake Sale´
EU : 68. 63,45 - UK : 00000000 - US : 00000000 - MC : 78

64. (00 ) 63,91 - 72,41 (17 ) Metallica ´Death Magnetic´
EU : 87. 62,66 - UK : 32. 69,23 - US : 00000000 - MC : 77

66. (00 ) 63,81 - 74,07 (14 ) okkervil River ´The Stand Ins´
EU : 60. 63,86 - UK . 00000000 - US : 32. 67,55 - MC : 78

72. (88 ) 63,49 - 70,87 (19 ) Paul Weller ´22 Dreams´
EU : 00000000 - UK : 16. 70,51 - US : 00000000 - MC : 77

75. (00 ) 63,33 - 74,00 (13 ) Giant Sand ´proVISIONS´
EU : 47. 64,68 - UK : 00000000 - US : 00000000 - MC : 74

93. (00 ) 62,75 - 72,21 (14 ) Bodies Of Water ´A Certain Feeling´
EU : 64. 63,65 - UK : 00000000 - US : 82. 64,51 - MC : 74

FURTHER EU-POSITIONS :

18. (17 ) 68,27 Opeth ´Watershed´
27. (25 ) 67,50 Madrugada ´Madrugada´
28. (26 ) 67,02 The Notwist ´The Devil, You And Me´
31. (00 ) 66,42 Brian Wilson ´That Lucky Old Sun´
32. (30 ) 66,17 Elvis Costello & The Imposters ´Momofuku´
35. (32 ) 65,89 Death Cab For Cutie ´Narrow Stairs´
37. (34 ) 65,77 Willard Grant Conspiracy ´Pilgrim Road´
38. (35 ) 65,70 Tindersticks ´The Hungry Saw´
39. (00 ) 65,61 Ron Sexsmith ´Exit Strategy Of The Soul´
40. (36 ) 65,49 Isobel Campbell & Mark Lanegan ´Sunday At Devil Dirt´
43. (38 ) 65,00 Sascha Funke ´Mango´
43. (38 ) 65,00 Emmylou Harris ´All I Intended To Be´
46. (41 ) 64,90 Be Your Own Pet ´Get Awkward´
50. (45 ) 64,48 My Morning Jacket ´Evil Urges´

FURTHER UK-POSITIONS :

10. (09 ) 72,45 British Sea Power ´Do You Like Rock Music´
11. (10 ) 72,41 Plush ´Fed´
15. (14 ) 70,59 Eliza Carthy ´Dreams Of Breathing Underwater´
16. (15 ) 70,51 Johnny Flynn ´A Larum´
19. (19 ) 70,46 White Denim ´Workout Holiday´
23. (23 ) 69,39 These New Puritans ´Beat Pyramid´
23. (23 ) 69,39 Mystery Jets ´Twenty One´
28. (27 ) 69,32 Wild Beasts ´Limbo Panto´
28. (00 ) 69,32 David Holmes ´The Holy Pictures´
32. (29 ) 69,23 DeVotchKa ´A Mad And Faithful Telling´
32. (29 ) 69,23 Teddy Thompson ´A Piece Of What You Need´
36. (32 ) 69,12 Thea Gilmore ´Liejacker´
37. (33 ) 68,37 The Raconteurs ´Consolers Of The Lonely´
40. (36 ) 67,95 Cadence Weapon ´Afterparty Babies´
40. (36 ) 67,95 Sparks ´Exotic Creatures Of The Deep´
43. (39 ) 67,65 Toumani Diabaté ´The Mandé Variations´
43. (39 ) 67,65 Benga ´Diary Of An Afro Warrior´
43. (39 ) 67,65 Fuck Buttons ´Street Horrrsing´
43. (39 ) 67,65 Flight Of The Conchords ´Flight Of The Conchords´
43. (39 ) 67,65 Kasai All Stars ´In The 7th Moon ...´
43. (00 ) 67,65 James Yorkston ´When The Haar Rolls In´
43. (00 ) 67,65 Lindsey Buckingham ´Gift Of Screws´

FURTHER US-POSITIONS :

07. (06 ) 70,48 GAS ´Nah und Fern´
12. (11 ) 69,24 Robyn ´Robyn´ (2005)
17. (16 ) 68,78 Times New Viking ´Rip It Off´
22. (21 ) 68,33 Torche ´Meanderthal´
24. (00 ) 68,17 High Places ´High Places´
25. (00 ) 68,06 Shugo Tokumaru ´Exit´
27. (24 ) 67,72 Ellen Allien ´Sool´
28. (25 ) 67,68 Matmos ´Supreme Balloon´
29. (26 ) 67,65 Destroyer ´Trouble In Dreams´
30. (27 ) 67,56 Kelley Polar ´I Need You To Hold On ...´
30. (00 ) 76,56 Harvey Milk ´Life ... The Best Game In Town´
41. (36 ) 66,81 Food For Animals ´Belly´
43. (38 ) 66,67 Beach House ´Devotion´
43. (38 ) 66,67 Health ´Disco´
45. (40 ) 66,53 The Music Tapes ´Music Tapes For Clouds & Tornadoes´
46. (41 ) 66,39 Eat Skull ´Sick To Death´
47. (42 ) 66,37 Islands ´Arm´s Way´
48. (43 ) 66,30 Alejandro Escovedo ´Real Animal´
49. (44 ) 66,25 Leila ´Blood, Looms And Blooms´
50. (45 ) 66,13 Jonny Greenwood ´Let There Be Blood´
50. (45 ) 66,13 Karen Dalton ´Green Rocky Road´

ENJOY !!

Next update on October 31st.

hahah, no mention of the Hold Steady album yet. oh, how the mighty have fallen. it's a really good record, tho.

get those eyes scanned - bloated basic trad rock n roll at 6

06. (04 ) 71,84 - 80,92 (25 ) The Hold Steady ´Stay Positive´
EU : 11. 70,14 - UK : 04. 75,51 - US : 06. 70,80 - MC : 85

mega-critic methodology is what i refer as the critical mainstream

ABOUT ´MEGA-CRITIC´
http://pub37.bravenet.com/forum/3172289350/show/820019

ABOUT ´MEGA-CRITIC´

INTENT :

´MEGA-CRITIC´ ARE THE UP-TO DATE CHARTS OF THE RUNNING YEAR´S BEST REVIEWED ALBUMS. THEY ARE PUBLISHED EXCLUSIVELY HERE IN THE ´ACCLAIMED MUSIC FORUM´ AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH MONTH.

SOURCES :

THE CHARTS ARE CALCULATED ON THE BASE OF 26 SOURCES IN 3 REGIONS :

EUROPE / DAGBLADET (NO) - EXPRESSEN (SW) - GAFFA (DK) - HUMO (BE) - MONDOSONORO (ES) - MUSIK-EXPRESS (GE) - NOJESGUIDEN (SW) - PLATTENTESTS (GE) - ROCK&FOLK (FR) - SPIEGEL (DE) - SVD (SW)

UK / DROWNED IN SOUND - GUARDIAN - MUSICOMH - NME - OBSERVER MUSIC MONTHLY - Q - UNCUT

US / COKEMACHINEGLOW - PITCHFORKMEDIA - POPMATTERS - PREFIX - ROLLING STONE - SLANT - SPIN - TINYMIXTAPES

no, i noticed that. i meant they hadn't been mentioned on this thread prior to that post. obviously they still get lots of love, just not much from around these parts i guess.

xp

Pitchfork's 50 Highest Rated Albums of 2008
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/kenyon330/pitchforks_50_highest_rated_albums_of_2008

I don't think anything Obama-related will have any effect on P&J, at least not this year. Does anyone actually like "Yes We Can"?

― some dude, Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:02 AM Bookmark

Dear gawd. I briefly roomed with an Obama field organizer who was a giant cornball. I was listening to something or other and he asked me, "Can you play 'Yes We Can'? It would make me really feel better." I looked at him like he was retarded.

Anyway, I don't think something like "Yes We Can" will do as well as "George Bush Doesn't Care About Black People", because unlike that one, there's no novelty factor.

serious lols at that story

Lil Wayne will not win album of the year because only rap albums that seem to criticize or investigate rap itself end up winning.

dude sings as much as he raps on it and twiddles a guitar on a bunch of songs, wouldn't that count?

Lil Wayne will not win album of the year because only rap albums that seem to criticize or investigate rap itself end up winning.

― Dimension 5ive, Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:09 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark

"dr. carter"

is it cool to put Boredoms on my list or is it like OMG JAPANESE IMPORT ON TORRENTS IN 2007 GET A LATE PASS

i usually get annoyed when xhuxk says this but honestly if it's in your honest top 10 you might as well list it. i mean, why wait and see what year it may or may not get a U.S. release.

well it was released in the us in 08, but all my mentalist borebuddies were over it by fall 2008

fall 2007, i mean

i love it

i would say if it wasn't released in any country this year, yeah, let it go.

oh wait ok it was out here this year. yeah, whatever. i haven't had too many import/domestic release dilemmas before, except last year my list had a Sloan album that had been out in Canada in '06.

I listed Luomo's The Present Lover in 2004, Stars' Set Yourself on Fire in 2005, and Fujiya & Miyagi's Transparent Things in 2007, all of which came out in the U.S. a year after their original release. If I'd actually heard them in the year of their original release, I wouldn't have waited (e.g., I listed Robyn in 2005), but the delayed U.S. release kind of gives me an excuse for dragging my feet.

That wasn't very clear: The year I voted for those albums was the year they came out in the U.S. but not the year they were originally released.

Ha ha, I'm glad I'm not the one who has to the carryover-voter math on Robyn's album this year. How many different years has thing come out now? I wonder if they can access vote records that go back to 2005 these days. (The Voice has had a lot of turnover since then, including among the techies.)

yeah, all the old p&J results are kind of fuXXored on the site right now.

and have been for like two years

whiney, i plan on voting for that boredoms disc, you ain't alone

of course that could change anytime, there's way too much shit vying for a place in my Top Ten albums at the mo

yeah, it's actually gonna be in my top 20 prolly. This year was the easiest top 10 of any year ever for me!

you voting for prurient?

i'm def. voting for "and still, wanting" - was considering voting for "cocaine death" too but that wouldn't be fair

I'm seriously thinking about submitting an all-R&B ballot this year. Maybe just for singles, I'd have to cut some good rock/rap albums to make that work.

"oh those curveball throwing rock critics. R'n'b songs are good enough for their singles list but the artists are never worthy enough for their album list" A comment tossed my way once (it may have been about rap and not r'n'b)

lol yeah. i definitely like enough R&B albums this year to fill up my top 10, i just don't want to shaft albums from other genres that I like a bit more just for the purpose of a theme.

the singles list is more impt! and a lot harder to narrow down. there are probably 20-25 albums this year i think are "top 10-worthy" but like 100 singles.

really?

I have like 8 singles on my tentative list and one of them is N.E.R.D.

yeah i think there are a bunch of albums this year that are top 5 worthy and a bunch of singles that are 5-10 or worse worthy

worthy warts

this year I've been a lot less enthused about singles overall compared to previous years, but I've still got a looong potential list (and will probably blog a top 100 list like I usually do).

ive got pretty much just rap records and that the-dream album. i think. maybe the luomo too.

singles are the easiest for me bcuz i have no reservations about those

i always love more than 10 songs in a single year and i hope it stays that way

i like a lot of songs, but not many of them were singles.

really?

yeah i just tried to dash off a quick, off the top of my head, only the definite best will do list, excluding duplicates and anyone with an album i want to vote for, also excluding 08 singles off 07 albums...and still got to 30. no idea how i'm going to narrow it down but i intend an all-funky house top 5.

PM me it.

all i can think of is shit like "Yahhh"

i can post my tentative singles list, but should i do it here or should that kind of thing be kept to a totally different thread?

if it's tentative, we should have a thread on borad or something to discuss until we all make up out minds.

there's a top 10 singles of 08 thread already

So we're halfway through 2008; what are your top 10 SONGS of this year, so far?

fuck 10 songz, i'm talking 100 singlez

eh maybe i'll post it there anyway, i just feel like i'd be fucking up the flow

haha i don't think anyone is going to mind

if there is no idolator poll then i dont get to vote yay no having to choose woo hoo u.s.a.

alright, done

(xpost lol)

oh i'll post mine there too then

new update:

UPDATE : 01/11/08 : MEGA-CRITIC : Best Reviewed Albums Of 2008 So Far
http://pub37.bravenet.com/forum/3172289350/show/915330

THE MEGA-CRITIC CHART :

The current position is followed by last month´s position in brackets, then the adjusted score, followed by the average rating and the number of reviews in brackets.

The scores after the title are the individual positions/adjusted scores for Europe, the UK and the US, followed by the current Metacritic score.

50. (43 ) 64,96 - 76,92 (13 ) Flying Lotus ´Los Angeles´
EU : 71. 63,45 - UK : 00000000 - US : 48. 66,71 - MC : 00

49. (00 ) 64,97 - 73,16 (19 ) Calexico ´Carried To Dust´
EU : 93. 62,46 - UK : 93. 65,91 - US : 44. 67,17 - MC : 78

47. (41 ) 65,00 - 72,43 (21 ) Joan As A Police Woman ´To Survive´
EU : 00000000 - UK : 13. 71,43 - US : 00000000 - MC : 76

47. (41 ) 65,00 - 74,75 (16 ) Neon Neon ´Stainless Style´
EU : 00000000 - UK : 22. 70,41 - US : 00000000 - MC : 79

46. (40 ) 65,04 - 75,47 (15 ) Al Green ´Lay It Down´
EU : 43. 65,29 - UK : 00000000 - US : 39. 67,44 - MC : 81

45. (00 ) 65,19 - 79,55 (11 ) Fucked Up ´The Chemistry Of Modern Life´
EU : 00000000 - UK : 36. 69,12 - US : 13. 69,27 - MC : 83

44. (39 ) 65,20 - 71,52 (25 ) Beck ´Modern Guilt´
EU : 51. 64,65 - UK : 00000000 - US : 64. 65,80 - MC : 77

43. (38 ) 65,24 - 73,58 (19 ) Spiritualized ´Songs In A & E´
EU : 97. 92,19 - UK : 62. 67,05 - US : 42. 67,28 - MC : 76

42. (37 ) 65,24 - 71,58 (25 ) Cat Power ´Jukebox´
EU : 29. 66,72 - UK : 00000000 - US : 84. 64,90 - MC : 72

41. (36 ) 65,31 - 71,68 (25 ) Magnetic Fields ´Distortion´
EU : 25. 67,78 - UK : 00000000 - US : 36. 67,50 - MC : 79

40. (00 ) 65,33 - 74,36 (11 ) Opeth ´Watershed´
EU : 13. 69,56 - UK : 00000000 - US : 00000000 - MC : 82

39. (35 ) 65,33 - 74,71 (17 ) Why? ´Alopecia´
EU : 00000000 - UK : 00000000 - US : 09. 70,10 - MC : 76

38. (34 ) 65,33 - 71,98 (24 ) The Breeders ´Mountain Battles´
EU : 00000000 - UK : 38. 68,37 - US : 18. 68,93 - MC : 75

37. (00 ) 65,36 - 77,65 (13 ) Gang Gang Dance ´Saint Dymphna´
EU : 00000000 - UK : 00000000 - US : 07. 70,49 - MC : 80

36. (00 ) 65,42 - 75,44 (16 ) Lindström ´Where You Go I Go Too´
EU : 91. 62,60 - UK : 85. 66,18 - US : 28. 68,04 - MC : 82

35. (33 ) 65,46 - 72,77 (22 ) Lykke Li ´Youth Novels´
EU : 34. 65,90 - UK : 79. 66,33 - US : 00000000 - MC : 76

34. (32 ) 65,47 - 77,85 (13 ) Robert Forster ´The Evangelist´
EU : 23. 67,89 - UK : 00000000 - US : 00000000 - MC : 81

33. (31 ) 65,67 - 73,43 (21 ) The Black Keys ´Attack And Release´
EU : 30. 66,69 - UK : 79. 66,33 - US : 00000000 - MC : 76

32. (30 ) 65,70 - 77,36 (14 ) Bonnie ´Prince´ Billy ´Lie Down In The Light´
EU : 44. 65,18 - UK : 44. 67,65 - US : 94. 64,52 - MC : 80

31. (00 ) 65,71 - 79,33 (12 ) Deerhunter ´Microcastle´
EU : 00000000 - UK : 00000000 - US : 10. 69,76 - MC : 84

30. (29 ) 65,83 - 73,32 (22 ) Wolf Parade ´At Mount Zoomer´
EU : 24. 67,84 - UK : 00000000 - US : 25. 68,21 - MC : 78

29. (28 ) 66,10 - 73,71 (22 ) Santogold ´Santogold´
EU : 26. 67,58 - UK : 00000000 - US : 17. 69,13 - MC : 77

28. (27 ) 66,17 - 79,16 (13 ) Late Of The Pier ´Fantasy Black Channel´
EU : 56. 64,28 - UK : 09. 73,47 - US : 00000000 - MC : 00

27. (26 ) 66,20 - 75,56 (18 ) Los Campesinos! ´Hold On Now, Youngster´
EU : 66. 63,68 - UK : 38. 68,37 - US : 43. 67,22 - MC : 81

26. (00 ) 66,37 - 74,48 (21 ) Okkervil River ´The Stand Ins´
EU : 42. 65,30 - UK : 72. 66,67 - US : 35. 67,55 - MC : 79

25. (25 ) 66,41 - 75,89 (18 ) Drive-By Truckers ´Brighter Than Creation´s Dark´
EU : 07. 70,70 - UK : 00000000 - US : 92. 64,71 - MC : 83

24. (24 ) 66,43 - 73,26 (25 ) R.E.M. ´Accelerate´
EU : 61. 63,93 - UK : 24. 69,39 - US : 40. 67,35 - MC : 79

23. (23 ) 66,50 - 82,09 (11 ) Glasvegas ´Glasvegas´
EU 14. 69,41 - UK : 24. 69,39 - US : 00000000 - MC : 83

22. (22 ) 66,51 74,69 (21 ) The Gutter Twins ´Saturnalia´
EU : 16. 68,85 - UK : 41. 67,95 - US : 00000000 - MC : 80

21. (21 ) 66,86 - 73,88 (25 ) Hot Chip ´Made In The Dark´
EU : 36. 65,87 - UK : 00000000 - US : 11. 69,51 - MC : 78

20. (20 ) 66,90 - 74,54 (23 ) MGMT ´Oracular Spectacular´
EU : 09. 70,24 - UK : 22. 70,41 - US : 00000000 - MC : 76

19. (19 ) 67,12 - 75,60 (21 ) Black Mountain ´In The Future´
EU : 21. 68,19 - UK : 62. 67,05 - US : 63. 65,88 - MC : 79

18. (18 ) 67,38 - 76,90 (19 ) The Dodos ´Visiter´
EU : 47. 64,91 - UK : 19. 70,46 - US : 36. 67,50 - MC : 83

17. (16 ) 67,61 - 75,93 (22 ) Sigur Ros ´Med Sud I Eyrum Vid Spilum Endalaust´
EU : 12. 69,89 - UK : 24. 69,39 - US : 00000000 - MC : 81

16. (15 ) 67,66 - 78,47 (17 ) No Age ´Nouns´
EU : 18. 68,56 - UK : 00000000 - US : 20. 68,73 - MC : 79

15. (14 ) 67,87 - 75,96 (23 ) The Last Shadow Puppets ´The Age Of The Understatement´
EU : 04. 71,53 - UK : 79. 66,33 - US : 00000000 - MC : 77

14. (17 ) 67,92 - 79,56 (16 ) The Bug ´London Zoo´
EU : 40. 65,53 - UK : 12. 71,59 - US : 45. 67,10 - MC : 90

13. (13 ) 67,94 - 78,91 (17 ) Elbow ´The Seldom Seen Kid´
EU : 54. 64,42 - UK : 06. 74,49 - US : 00000000 - MC : 82

12. (12 ) 68,86 - 79,18 (19 ) Silver Jews ´Lookout Mountain, Lookout Sea´
EU : 22. 68,03 - UK : 16. 70,51 - US : 22. 68,53 - MC : 78

11. (11 ) 69,26 - 80,39 (18 ) Erykah Badu ´New Amerykah : Part One (4th World War)´
EU : 17. 68,60 - UK : 33. 69,23 - US : 08. 70,11 - MC : 82

10. (10 ) 69,53 - 81,47 (17 ) Lil Wayne ´Tha Carter III´
EU : 05. 71,06 - UK : 44. 67,65 - US : 15. 69,22 - MC : 82

09. (09 ) 69,77 - 81,19 (18 ) Randy Newman ´Harps & Angels´
EU : 03. 72,12 - UK : 44. 67,65 - US : 46. 67,08 - MC : 85

08. (08 ) 70,63 - 78,89 (26 ) Vampire Weekend ´Vampire Weekend´
EU : 06. 70,97 - UK : 13. 71,43 - US : 12. 69,46 - MC : 82

07. (07 ) 70,89 - 79,94 (24 ) Hercules And Love Affair ´Hercules And Love Affair´
EU : 20. 68,23 - UK : 06. 74,49 - US : 05. 71,18 - MC : 86

06. (06 ) 71,84 - 80,92 (25 ) The Hold Steady ´Stay Positive´
EU : 11. 70,14 - UK : 05. 75,51 - US : 06. 70,80 - MC : 85

05. (05 ) 71,87 - 81,76 (23 ) Bon Iver ´For Emma, Forver Ago´
EU : 10. 70,19 - UK : 01. 77,55 - US : 21. 68,63 - MC : 89

04. (03 ) 73,15 - 82,40 (26 ) Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds ´Dig!!! Lazarus Dig!!!´
EU : 08. 70,29 - UK : 02. 76,53 - US : 02. 74,11 - MC : 87

03. (04 ) 73,30 - 82,62 (26 ) TV On The Radio ´Dear Silence´
EU : 15. 69,16 - UK : 02. 76,53 - US : 01. 76,16 - MC : 88

02. (02 ) 74,07 - 83,69 (26 ) Portishead ´Third´
EU : 02. 74,48 - UK : 06. 74,49 - US : 03.73,13 - MC : 85

01. (01 ) 76,56 - 88,06 (24 ) Fleet Foxes ´Fleet Foxes´
EU : 01. 79,83 - UK : 02. 76,53 - US : 04. 71,96 - MC : 87

THE BUBBLERS :

100.(00 ) 62,95 - 71,93 (15 ) Emiliana Torrini ´Me And Armini´
EU : 87. 62,77 - UK : 93. 65,91 - US : 00000000 - MC : 74

99. (00 ) 62,96 - 70,88 (17 ) Of Montreal ´Skeletal Lamping´
EU : 00000000 - UK : 00000000 - US : 00000000 - MC : 71

94. (00 ) 63,06 - 69,85 (20 ) Mogwai ´The Hawk Is Howling´
EU : 00000000 - UK : 54. 67,35 - US : 00000000 - MC : 76

92. (00 ) 63,09 - 76,70 (10 ) Dungen ´4´
EU : 75. 63,38 - UK : 00000000 - US : 00000000 - MC : 78

86. (00 ) 63,18 - 75,64 (11 ) The Week That Was ´The Week That Was´
EU : 00000000 - UK : 62. 67,05 - US : 00000000 - MC : 83

85. (00 ) 63,19 - 72,33 (15 ) The Walkmen ´You & Me´
EU : 00000000 - UK : 00000000 - US : 00000000 - MC : 82

73. (00 ) 63,90 - 75,53 (15 ) The Acorn ´Glory Hope Mountain´
EU : 00000000 - UK : 62. 67,05 - US : 00000000 - MC : 00

70. (00 ) 63,93 - 77,09 (11 ) El Guincho ´Alegranza´
EU : 00000000 - UK : 62. 67,05 - US : 82. 65,00 - MC : 00

67. (00 ) 64,01 - 72,11 (18 ) Deerhoof ´Offend Maggie´
EU : 00000000 - UK : 85. 66,18 - US : 41. 67,32 - MC : 81

66. (75 ) 64,02 - 74,43 (14 ) Giant Sand ´proVISIONS´
EU : 49. 64,68 - UK : 00000000 - US : 81. 65,12 - MC : 74

FURTHER EU-POSITIONS :

19. (17 ) 68,51 Ry Cooder ´I, Flathead´
27. (27 ) 67,50 Madrugada ´Madrugada´
28. (28 ) 67,02 The Notwist ´The Devil, You And Me´
31. (31 ) 66,42 Brian Wilson ´That Lucky Old Sun´
32. (32 ) 66,17 Elvis Costello & The Imposters ´Momofuku´
33. (33 ) 66,10 Conor Oberst ´Conor Oberst´
35. (35 ) 65,89 Death Cab For Cutie ´Narrow Stairs´
37. (37 ) 65,77 Willard Grant Conspiracy ´Pilgrim Road´
38. (38 ) 65,70 Tindersticks ´The Hungry Saw´
39. (39 ) 65,61 Ron Sexsmith ´Exit Strategy Of the Soul´
41. (40 ) 65,49 Isobel Campbell & Mark Lanegan ´Sunday At Devil Dirt´
45. (43 ) 65,00 Sascha Funke ´Mango´
45. (43 ) 65,00 Emmylou Harris ´All I Intended To Be´
48. (46 ) 64,90 Be Your Own Pet ´Get Awkward´
50. (48 ) 64,68 Cass Mccombs ´Dropping The Writ´

FURTHER UK-POSITIONS :

10. (10 ) 72,45 British Sea Power ´Do You Like Rock Music´
11. (11 ) 72,41 Plush ´Fed´
15. (15 ) 70,59 Eliza Carthey ´Dreams Of Breathing Underwater´
16. (16 ) 70,51 Johnny Flynn ´A Larum´
16. (16 ) 70,51 Paul Weller ´22 Dreams´
19. (19 ) 70,46 White Denim ´Workout Holiday´
19. (32 ) 70,46 Metallica ´Death Magnetic´
24. (23 ) 69,39 These New Puritans ´Beat Pyramid´
24. (23 ) 69,39 Mystery Jets ´Twenty One´
29. (28 ) 69,32 Cass McCombs ´Dropping The Writ´
29. (28 ) 69,32 Wild Beasts ´Limbo Panto´
29. (28 ) 69,32 Roots Manuva ´Slime & Reason´
29. (28 ) 69,32 David Holmes ´The Holy Pictures´
33. (32 ) 69,23 DeVotchKa ´A Mad And Faithful Telling´
33. (32 ) 69,23 Teddy Thompson ´A Piece Of What You Need´
36. (36 ) 69,12 Thea Gilmore ´Liejacker´
38. (37 ) 68,37 The Raconteurs ´Consolers Of the Lonely´
41. (40 ) 67,95 Cadence Weapon ´Afterparty Babies´
41. (40 ) 67,95 Sparks ´Exotic Creatures Of The Deep´
44. (43 ) 67,65 Toumani Diabaté ´The Mandé Variations´
44. (43 ) 67,65 Benga ´Diary Of An Afro Warrior´
44. (43 ) 67,65 Fuck Buttons ´Street Horrrsing´
44. (43 ) 67,65 Flight Of The Conchords ´Flight Of The Conchords´
44. (43 ) 67,65 Kasai All Stars ´In The 7th Moon ...´
44. (43 ) 67,65 Lindsey Buckingham ´Gift Of Screws
44. (00 ) 67,65 Bellowhead ´Matachin´

FURTHER US-POSITIONS :

14. (11 ) 69,24 Robyn ´Robyn´ (2005)
15. (12 ) 69,22 Mountain Goats ´Heretic Pride´
19. (16 ) 68,78 Times New Viking ´Rip It Off´
23. (20 ) 68,48 Wire ´Object 47´
24. (21 ) 68,33 Torche ´Meanderthal´
26. (23 ) 68,17 High Places ´High Places´
27. (25 ) 68,06 Shugo Tokumaru ´Exit´
29. (48 ) 67,93 Leila ´Blood, Looms & Blooms´
30. (26 ) 67,72 Ellen Allien ´Sool´
31. (27 ) 67,68 Matmos ´Supreme Balloon´
32. (28 ) 67,65 Destroyer ´Trouble In Dreams´
33. (29 ) 67,56 Kelley Polar ´I Need You To Hold On ...´
33. (29 ) 67,56 Harvey Milk ´Life ... The Best Game In Town´
36. (00 ) 67,50 Women ´Women´
47. (40 ) 66,81 Food For Animals ´Belly´
49. (42 ) 66,67 Beach House ´Devotion´
49. (42 ) 66,67 Health ´Disco´
49. (00 ) 66,67 Jamey Johnson ´That Lonesome Song´
49. (00 ) 66,67 Juana Molina ´Un Dia´

what

djmartian OTM

djmartian says what we're all secretly thinking

i've never seen quote marks quite like those before. they're not the usual weird euro ones are they?

44. (43 ) 67,65 Toumani Diabaté ´The Mandé Variations´

I got to get this one, although I like him with a band better than solo as on this disc.