Hi-Hat's what I like

"none shall escape the judgement" by johnny clarke.

"Red Rain" by Peter Gabriel

"Red Rain" by Peter Gabriel

-- Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, August 25, 2008 10:55 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

Or basically every song featuring Stewart Copeland for that matter... The guy's a master of the hi-hat!

That Johnny Clarke tune is great! That's what I had in mind, unusual uses of the hi-hat like shoving it right at the front of the mix. Red Rain is OK too, but it becomes kind of unnoticeable after the cool intro. Now, how about some more unusual rhythms?

Ah yes, Red Rain does bring to mind Walking on the Moon now you mention it

PS drummers, is it a hard instrument to play?

It's usually the last thing people get down, actually

because it's on the left foot, and it's the only thing you can play with three limbs

It's also the easiest thing to get broken on tour.

it's not hard to play. it just takes a lot more finesse to get certain tones out of a hi-hat. left/right hands + left foot coordination can do wonders.

I always liked the hi-hats on Primus's "Tommy The Cat" and "To Defy The Laws Of Tradition" when I was a teenager.

rollerbeef is a hi-hat MANIAC.

It fascinated me in the Fool's Gold video how Reni would switch hands so that sometimes he'd be playing snare with his left and hi-hat with his right, and sometimes the other way round. I'm listening to the rhythm track now though, and it sounds more like it's been cobbled together from samples, so maybe that was just for the cameras

Walk This Way to thead.

i play the hihat almost to the exclusion of all other cymbals.
there's too many songs to list. reggae and funk to thread, basically.

Tony Allen!

http://blogs.suntimes.com/scanners/mcjcp.jpg

does techno count? if so:

Aril Brikha!

i always thought it was weird that the guy from Run On put in the liner notes "this album was made entirely without hi-hats." i wonder what he had against them.

Yes, interested in all things xp. How about Elevation by Television? (It just came on my iTunes.) I'd never noticed until this thread, but now almost all of Marquee Moon's drums sound really strange to me, and about half of them have pretty complicated hi-hat patterns

Seriously, though, Beefheart's Trout Mask Replica is one of the alltime-great hi-hat albums - even though they sound a bit weird on occasion, due to Drumbo's muffling them with circular bits of cardboard.

http://bp2.blogger.com/_jT7u1Bq52JU/SBtQORz4PSI/AAAAAAAAAD8/P4--x2eZ5IU/s1600-h/The+Warriors+80.jpg

The breakdown in the middle of "Sinner" by Judas Priest has incredible hi-hat work by session drummer extraordinaire Simon Phillips.

Seek: the complete recorded works of Carlton Barrett

in reggae it's called the Flying Cymbal. google has answers and examples.

also, Carl Craig, Black Dog, B.12 rule hi hat programming.

Fine Time - New Order

i always thought it was weird that the guy from Run On put in the liner notes "this album was made entirely without hi-hats." i wonder what he had against them.

Wow forgot about that. I think half the time he was playing with the snare off the snare drum too. Just trying to do something different I guess?

Smashing Pumpkins "1979"

http://thehighhat.com/

Ya's fancy pants, alla ya's!

Almost forgot: If you like hi-hat, then Flying Rhythms' N'DANKA N'DANKA album is what you need, if you can find it.

Speaking of flying:

http://tinyurl.com/5vpj6v

That passage from Michael Veal's Dub book is great. Had a Tubby compilation on the headphones this weekend and he really did make fantastic use of the 'flying cymbal' sound.

Camper Van Beethoven's Our Beloved Revolutionary Sweetheart is a great hi-hat album start to finish. Subtle and awesome.

Question I've always had that the New Order poll countdown reminded me of: where did the 16th-notes-on-the-high-hat beat originate, or at least what is the earliest instance you are aware of? I mean that type of beat so prevalent in disco/post punk but seemingly absent before then.

you mean the uptempo 16 beat? Pretty sure it appears in pre-Disco R&B and funk songs at slower tempos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwBcvvVBck8

my favorite part of drumming, no question

yeah I'm mainly wondering who if anyone where the pioneers of the distinctive both hands on the hi hat sound

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZZifVTzMdA

could swear I've heard examples of that hi hat usage earlier but struggling to come up w/any

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3ckIovZRwk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1gqhU1Mmqs

otm

Another track with Mike Clark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY9rhaYkud0

Don't know exactly what you're referring to anonanon but here's a nice 16th note hihat beat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wlz_bKHi9s

ha I knew that was gonna be Palm Grease, beat me to it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZZLLYEzKE8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPNU9G4zwks

just realized "superstition" has some proto double hand hi hat -- anything earlier than that?

oddly wiki is telling me jeff beck came up with that particular drum beat

just realized "superstition" has some proto double hand hi hat -- anything earlier than that?

oddly wiki is telling me jeff beck came up with that particular drum beat

― anonanon, Monday, June 3, 2013 10:11 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

1969
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNP8tbDMZNE

oh, sorry not double hand though. But I don't think Superstition is either?

also the drummer on superstition doesn't do four sixteenth notes, it's more of a swing-pattern-over-rock-beat thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvvwGvaGLGY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etwIu8-FlGU

hi-hat is also one of the best ways to tell a low-quality recording

or low-quality mp3 of a recording, rather

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWbzaylGzlY

I prefer a dirty sounding hi-hat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4A5JnworAk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMv8ZQ8BL3s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBfGfEVIS_M

dubbing the hi-hat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5pnveH_A7s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWdj-4-CJ8o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh4jOWYP8EM

most Chimurenga has a prominent uptempo 16th notes hi-hat beat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u4NqiP_Oko

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR4jCj4U7Tg

hey there we go, can't play that with one hand

is there some seminal disco song that was first to take two hands to the high hats over four on the floor?

hi-hat is also big in Kenyan benga music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35qqsiTLZrU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m_vYGKLTH8

This is 1965

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6_BWNzThJY

And 1969

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT1e2_uTwmI

"Sinnerman" makes me suspect some gospel roots to the hi-hat 16ths, but I can't think of examples off the top of my head.

the feel on sinnerman is different too -- accents on the "ands" instead of on the downbeats.

Yup, it's not a funk groove yet. That's what makes me wonder if it came out of church originally. But I'm just speculating.

I notice these early instances it's generally used more like a engine revving type effect, but someone put a stiff 4/4 kick beneath it and that is the intrepid hi hat pioneer I am searching for

in 1972, the same year as Soul Makossa (sometimes called the "first disco song," which I'm not so sure about), the Fatback Band released this, which has the four-on-the-floor feel but not the 16th notes on the hi-hat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7vKI3I50-E

hey soul makossa itself has what sounds like a mostly double hand hi hat thing going on there. if this is one of the seminal disco records, in line with granny's many youtubes above, disco 16th notes maybe do derive from this afrobeat/afrofunk strand

This is some of the best hi hat action I know of at :45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43rGOqu_QL0

nice Idris up there

this one is early '74 and has a steady two handed hi-hat beat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdDALuknybo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZdE4kpr8lU

example of a "steppers" reggae beat, late 70s. hi-hat is a bit more skittery than a straight 16ths

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rgS57eymbE

rock your baby is otm, that is one stiff ass two handed hi hat proto disco beat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwZ_9V37KxA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pcxltHyBqQ

speaking of George McCrae, Gwen McCrae recorded some stuff the same year w/some of the same musicians:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lAkcdyh3iI

that's good...and I didn't even realize I had it in my itunes, but just that song. is there a whole album?

that pablo gad vid ist rad, reminds me of janet kay's silly games which has some wicked hi-hat rolls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdytUPas0ro

drummie zeb is da man, easily one of my 2 or 3 fave reggae drummers

^ yesss. such a nice light touch on the hi-hat there.

in re Rock Your Baby, 1974 is also the year Everybody was Kung Fu Fighting came out

has shh/peaceful been posted yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT1e2_uTwmI

my favorite both-hands-on-the-hi-hat groove ('64):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlBuc863hU0

so much good music on this thread.
that smokey johnson groove is amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKd_XTFhGxo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZLGCAn9ot0

Is that Earl Palmer on the Smokey Johnson track? Incredible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jGYx0hMjM0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBW-7uI5ABw

I love african guitar pop where the groove is almost all on the hi-hat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecdUDfUgSK4

the beat I mean