Vinyl records make a return

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Vinyl records make a return

^^^interesting, apparently it's not just for your grandparents anymore

omar little, Monday, 18 August 2008 15:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

brown is the new white

ice crӕm, Monday, 18 August 2008 15:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

They've been running stories like this for a couple of years now. I don't doubt the numbers but at a time when I'm trying to get *rid* of things in bulk seeing the rush for this is a bit head-shaking.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 August 2008 15:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

What about the seldom mentioned cassette revival?

Z S, Monday, 18 August 2008 15:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

what's the vegas over/under on how many more years we'll keep reading this same story over and over: 4? 5?

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 18 August 2008 15:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

ORG Records?

CharlieNo4, Monday, 18 August 2008 15:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

Olson's doorbell is chiming more frequently these days. Since starting vinyl-only label ORG in December 2006 in Olson's kitchen, the label is bursting at the seams. "By the end of the year, we will have gone from making zero money to projecting that we will gross over $1 million," said Olson, who nevertheless has kept his day job as senior vice president of A&R at Universal Music Publishing Group.

The label, which primarily licenses material from Universal Music Group, ....

yeah, funny that!

Mark G, Monday, 18 August 2008 15:52 (6 years ago) Permalink

(A traditional LP is pressed on 120-gram weight vinyl, whereas many labels produce special packages using 180-gram vinyl, which gives a fuller, richer sound.)

I was talking to some guys the other day and posed the question: which would you rather have, heavier vinyl or deeper grooves? Everyone seemed to agree that weight of vinyl by itself doesn't guarantee better sound, quite a bit can be dependent on mastering etc. Let's blah blah blah blahlhhh

ian, Monday, 18 August 2008 15:58 (6 years ago) Permalink

This summer, ORG will release a four-vinyl-LP, 10th-anniversary edition of Beck's "Odelay." The original CD booklet will be re-created for the 180-gram special package, which will carry a suggested retail list price of $60.

Any takers?

ian, Monday, 18 August 2008 16:00 (6 years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't even steal it

Edward III, Monday, 18 August 2008 16:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

I was talking to some guys the other day and posed the question: which would you rather have, heavier vinyl or deeper grooves? Everyone seemed to agree that weight of vinyl by itself doesn't guarantee better sound, quite a bit can be dependent on mastering etc

it depends how much music is on there. the shorter the tracks, the deeper the grooves, the higher the fidelity. heavier vinyl allows for deeper grooves, but everything depends on how much actual music you're trying to cram on a given side of vinyl.

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 18 August 2008 16:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

Didn't Odelay come out 12 years ago?

DJ Mencap, Monday, 18 August 2008 16:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

i <3 deep grooves hav u guys ever heard jamiroquai

ice crӕm, Monday, 18 August 2008 16:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

re: Odelay, forget the date, why on earth is it four LPs?

Doctor Casino, Monday, 18 August 2008 17:00 (6 years ago) Permalink

in order to accomodate the grooves

contenderizer, Monday, 18 August 2008 17:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

The resurgence is having a snowball effect. At Record Technology Inc., a once-beleaguered pressing plant in Camarillo, owner Don MacInnis said that "business is the best it's been in 20 years."

When vinyl started its rebirth, RTI operated on banker's hours -- five days a week, eight hours a day. Now, "we're running 16 hours a day, six days a week," MacInnis said. And he's turning away clients. RTI's average pressing per title over the last few years has doubled to 3,000 units, with orders frequently topping 10,000 copies.

this is good news no matter how many crappy major label records get the vinyl reissue treatment.

sleeve, Monday, 18 August 2008 17:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

^this

Edward III, Monday, 18 August 2008 17:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

RTI does that matador HQ vinyl stuff right? they press GREAT vinyl.

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 18 August 2008 17:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

Don't worry, Vinyl Surplus, us ugglos still come in too.

I eat cannibals, Monday, 18 August 2008 17:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

Amoeba Music in Hollywood sells about 2,000 vinyl LPs a day

I wonder how many of those are used. 50% or more, I'd bet.

Romeo Jones, Monday, 18 August 2008 18:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

probably more like 75 i bet

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 18 August 2008 18:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

also yeah ugly ppl have kept vinyl in business. don't diss your core audience.

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 18 August 2008 18:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

amoeba records makes way more $$$ on used than new vinyl so they're probably very ok with that.

Steve Shasta, Monday, 18 August 2008 18:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

<S>amoeba records</S>most record stores makes way more $$$ on used than new vinyl so they're probably very ok with that.

-- Steve Shasta, Monday, 18 August 2008 18:30 (4 hours ago) Link

^^^ fixed. it's a simple matter of mark-up; newbury comics makes way more money on used CDs than they do on new CDs, by the same token.

ian, Monday, 18 August 2008 23:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, the author here seems a bit clueless re: the real economics behind record stores ... but so do the Major Labels:

Next month, Capitol/EMI will launch "From the Capitol Vaults," with the release of 13 titles on vinyl, including Radiohead's "OK Computer" and Steve Miller Band's "Greatest Hits 1974-1978."

Romeo Jones, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 01:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I wonder how long it will take major labels to realize that the way to exploit the vinyl market is NOT with high priced "collectors items" but with desirable catalog titles that command high prices in the aftermarket.

ian, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 01:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

They would respond but they are two busy with the burnt orange colored vinyl for the Gavin Rossdale solo album.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 01:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

8 months pass...

Daily Swarm today:

Best Buy 'considering devoting eight square feet of merchandising space in all of its 1,020 stores solely to vinyl'...
http://www.nypost.com/seven/04272009/business/best_buy_turning_the_tables_with_vinyl_166384.htm

Three New Vinyl Shops Open in Los Angeles...
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-et-vinyl26-2009apr26,0,1957135,full.story

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 18:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

As a CD-buyer for 18 years, I'm having a collector nerd crisis whether I should jump on this trend or not

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 18:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

ditto what Whiney said

just being playful and friendly (some dude), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 18:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

i don't buy too many records and haven't bought a new record in a long while. it's mainly old jazz/blues comps that I end up purchasing. But if every new record came with a download coupon and I invested in a decent turntable (mine is kinda crappy) I can see buying the record instead of the CD.

tylerw, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 18:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

eventually, i want to sell some new vinyl at my soon-to-open store. i'm scared of the money involved though. i'll start small. i was thinking of being genre specific. JUST selling psych reissues or something...

i'll have to see what people are into around here. lotsa freekfolkers in western mass though. and not a lot of competition for new vinyl. so the psych thing might work.

scott seward, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 18:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

every record does have a download coupon, it's called "(artist name) + (album name) + mediafire or megaupload or sharebee etc"

~*GAME 2 SNYPA*~ (omar little), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 18:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

Especially since record companies are sending less physical copies of records in the mail every year. I've been going to the record store and picking up CDs I really like (I didn't get physical promos for Springsteen, Bat For Lashes or Doom)...

--But should I be getting vinyl copies of these albums instead?
--Is the ease of 320k or 192k rips ANY TIME I NEED THEM for all eternity better or worse than having something that looks better and (hypothetically) sounds better?
--Should I take into consideration how easy it it to scratch/warp/fuck up a piece of vinyl, ruining it forever, as opposed to a CD that pretty much will play as long as you don't put them in your backpack without a case like a see kids do on the subway?
--What about my CD shelves when I have four spines of a group, but then have to go to my record collection for the fifth record?

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 18:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

omar, living on downloads alone is essentially saying "I don't care about data backup"

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 18:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

from that l.a. link, origami records is "okay". they just have run of the mill mainstream indie vinyl right now, i hope they expand into used lps and other genres. vacation is pretty dope, lots of metal, experimental, and psych.

more interested in this astonishing-sounding place, tbh:

http://www.foodgps.com/more-info-on-territory-bbq-and-records/

~*GAME 2 SNYPA*~ (omar little), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 18:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

oh i never live on downloads, i usually DL just to see if i want to get something in a physical copy. or if it's something that is long out of print.

~*GAME 2 SNYPA*~ (omar little), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 18:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

CDs are the new vinyl. Scored 10 amazing CDs for $5.
This sealed Chris Gaines CD will pay for the whole lot in five years I reckon, so it's like I got them for free.
Haven't seen vinyl go for such firesale prices since a few years back getting the Rush back catalog for 10cents an album.

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 18:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I've been getting crazy CDs off Amazon. You can pretty much have any Madonna record released after 1988 for a penny.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 18:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

CDs are the new vinyl. Scored 10 amazing CDs for $5

So been having fun with this at Amoeba's clearance section as well.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 19:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

dollar dvds at thrift stores too. i love that. you can't give the stuff away.

scott seward, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 19:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

i think my favorite thing about the whole vinyl market right now is that it makes my goal of someday releasing an album and actually pressing it on vinyl seem like way less of an unfeasible pipedream

just being playful and friendly (some dude), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 19:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

any Madonna record released after 1988 for a penny.

Well, a penny plus postage, right? Which always seems to nullify the deal for me, but maybe I'll come around. Do need to start hunting around for used CDs in stores more, though.

xhuxk, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 19:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah, so like $3. Which is still cheaper than the $7.99 at a used CD store.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 19:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

scott ur in western MA right? where is your store?

mark cl, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 19:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

"Haven't seen vinyl go for such firesale prices since a few years back getting the Rush back catalog for 10cents an album.

― Philip Nunez"

you got ripped off.

pipecock, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 19:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

my store will be located on main street in greenfield. right next to tofu a go go.

we had problems with the original space we rented (um, pee pee water dripping down onto our space from the aprtmenent above.) otherwise, we would have been open by now. but i've been having fun making money on ebay and drinking and hanging out with my kids.

x-post

scott seward, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 19:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

im still interested in hearing about which records you guys got from john storm roberts's collection!

69, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 19:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah i def buy a lot of vinyl but always have, but i echo other sentiments about CDs! great deals now all over the place...

seriously you can get like every great jazz record ever made on some fancy pants new great sounding remastered CD issue for like peanuts!

Domm P))) (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 20:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

Might be right, could be a bit too late. Sorry if this is going to bug you! It'll have "ART" on the inner cover if it ws mine

― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine)

It was indeed your copy of Last Exit I bought. Got my brother to check it out and it says Art right there on the sleeve. Small world!

Kitchen Person, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 01:08 (7 months ago) Permalink

haven't had a chance, don't get over to st.paul that much...my usual spot is Roadrunner Records in South Mpls, small but nice stock and I feel the most fair pricing in town. Hymie's is really nice since they moved out of the original gross building to this new place....

Electric Fetus can actually have some really good priced stuff and they get a lot of new stuff they end up clearancing

― Little Nicky Pizza loved that rascal Rust (upper mississippi sh@kedown)

Going to check out Roadrunner tomorrow, looking forward to it.

I like Hymies a lot as they price things very reasonably and they have a greats soul/disco collection but I find they don't seem to get a lot of new stuff in. Either that or the stuff they do get is so good it doesn't last long in the shop. The people that work there always seem really cool.

I keep hearing that Electric Fetus is one of the best places to get vinyl but I've never had much luck there. They don't seem to get a lot of second hand stuff in there. Probably haven't been there in a couple of years though, will have to give it another try.

Kitchen Person, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 01:12 (7 months ago) Permalink

Fetus is hit or miss but they don't always know what stuff is worth

Raptain Chillips (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 03:58 (7 months ago) Permalink

Kitchen Person that's great! I didn't actually WANT to sell it, just needed to, glad it went to a good home etc.

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 04:02 (7 months ago) Permalink

Those're my initials btw, I wasn't judging its merit or anything

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 04:04 (7 months ago) Permalink

Yeah I was really chuffed to find a copy there. It was probably my best find in all the times I went there. I'm now wondering if I ended up buying anything else you sold (if you did?) no need to make a list or anything. I'd struggle to remember all the records I bought in New Zealand/Australia now. All I know is I had bought way too many when it came to packing my suitcase to go back to the UK.

Kitchen Person, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 04:33 (7 months ago) Permalink

I was selling quite a bit of stuff, so maybe. They'll all be marked like that.

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 04:38 (7 months ago) Permalink

When I see those records again I will keep an eye out for those same marks.

Kitchen Person, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 04:40 (7 months ago) Permalink

"for art's sake"

Mark G, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 06:36 (7 months ago) Permalink

the "death of vinyl" era was really a golden age

I lived in Brazil for three years in the late 90s and every market in every town had at least one stall selling huge quantities of records at next-to-nothing prices. Not to mention the record shops themselves - they just wanted to get rid of their space-filling stock. I had a cheap turntable when I was there but decided it'd be impractical to build up a large collection, especially when there were handy compact discs around. If I'd known then what I know now...

Daniel Giraffe, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 08:06 (7 months ago) Permalink

hehe

www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_LasOjYP_M

davey, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 12:55 (7 months ago) Permalink

hey it didn't thing

davey, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 12:56 (7 months ago) Permalink

From Tha Crouuuch To Da Palacios (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 13:20 (7 months ago) Permalink

Noooooooooooo!

Raptain Chillips (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 13:22 (7 months ago) Permalink

Tim Heckler (willem), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 13:25 (7 months ago) Permalink

vinyls in the record store? I'd like to lay some of that!

From Tha Crouuuch To Da Palacios (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 13:46 (7 months ago) Permalink

the plural of vinyl is vinyl
xps

Scooby Doom (۩), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 13:50 (7 months ago) Permalink

i'm pretty sure i remember people pricing records too high before the internet. but, yeah, the 90's were a fine time for those of us still digging. and i try not to think about the dollar bins in chain stores filled with copies of paul's boutique.

when the hmv store in philly opened they had tons of boxes of old caroline distro and they were a buck a piece. they couldn't get rid of it fast enough. unsold 80's metal and indie and all kinds of crazy stuff. nobody wanted it at the time. i kept going back for more. (tower on south street had something similar around then where they all of a sudden had every folkways 10 inch ever made for a buck a piece. new (old) copies. endless amounts of them.)

scott seward, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 15:35 (7 months ago) Permalink

rekkerds and flooring. mostly rekkerds. but some flooring too.

Lee626, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 16:59 (7 months ago) Permalink

12" either way

Lee626, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 16:59 (7 months ago) Permalink

Would have loved to pick through the Caroline records bin...

Evan, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 17:07 (7 months ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

what the hey?

hardcore dilettante, Saturday, 27 September 2014 02:52 (2 months ago) Permalink

1 For Sale from £312.58

Statistics
Have: 187
Want: 1218
Avg Rating: 4.68 / 5
Ratings: 109
Last Sold: 17 Sep 13
Lowest: £27.59
Median: £117.22
Highest: £156.29

saer, Saturday, 27 September 2014 03:07 (2 months ago) Permalink

i kinda like urban outfitters getting so into it, inevitable sweet deals on expensive reissues in clearance bins when the bubble finally bursts

u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 28 September 2014 13:51 (2 months ago) Permalink

Argh I keep venturing into these places strictly because I hear about these clearance bins ALL the time but none of them have any!

Evan, Sunday, 28 September 2014 14:11 (2 months ago) Permalink

I know friends have gotten good deals before

u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 28 September 2014 14:16 (2 months ago) Permalink

On the other hand though I went to a second hand shop that I guess arranges to buy old lines directly from certain stores like UO and Free People etc. Anyway apparently they'd gotten a batch of vinyl from UO for whatever reason that they were selling for $4 an LP. Ended up getting Ride - Nowhere, PJ Harvey - Let England Shake, Bill Callahan - Apocalypse and few others I can't recall at the moment.
So I have actually lucked out with vinyl as an almost direct result of UO and shouldn't complain.

Evan, Sunday, 28 September 2014 14:30 (2 months ago) Permalink

Wrong thread?

u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 28 September 2014 15:16 (2 months ago) Permalink

Oh this:. Sales of albums on CD fell 19 percent by revenue to $716 million, while LP sales grew 43 percent to $146 million

u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 28 September 2014 15:20 (2 months ago) Permalink

those numbers are shocking. LP $ is a full quarter of CD money.

skip, Sunday, 28 September 2014 16:11 (2 months ago) Permalink

or a fifth rather. Still a huge proportion.

skip, Sunday, 28 September 2014 16:11 (2 months ago) Permalink

I also have never seen a reasonably-priced record in an Urban Outfitters, though I always get suckered into checking. Amazing to realize people are actually paying those prices for that stuff and that it's not just a loss-leader piece of the decor, intended to suggest to shoppers that they've arrived at a place frequented by the in-crowd, etc.

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 28 September 2014 16:14 (2 months ago) Permalink

i got TRUE ROMANCE for $9.99 there earlier this year

maura, Sunday, 28 September 2014 16:26 (2 months ago) Permalink

but vinyl is pretty astonishingly expensive to me - i mostly buy used/sale stuff with special exceptions

maura, Sunday, 28 September 2014 16:27 (2 months ago) Permalink

I got Gish and Siamese Dream for $5 each at UO

GhostTunes on my Pono (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 28 September 2014 16:36 (2 months ago) Permalink

For awhile, they'd put decent things in the $10 And under bin in the back. I'd go in on an "additional 50% off sale items" day and get some good stuff. But those days are over.

GhostTunes on my Pono (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 28 September 2014 16:41 (2 months ago) Permalink

bought a Heavy Metal Kids LP for £6 at my local branch, which is slightly over the odds but a bargain compared to every other used record in there - they price them uniformly at £6 and it's mostly 50p charity shop fodder

also not really interested in spending £20 on most LPs esp ones that can be had on CD for a quarter of that

well-behaved wingmen really hate Mystery (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 28 September 2014 16:46 (2 months ago) Permalink

Sales of albums on CD fell 19 percent by revenue to $716 million, while LP sales grew 43 percent to $146 million

Which stull means a combined drop of about 21m right?

Fine Toothcomb (sonofstan), Sunday, 28 September 2014 17:07 (2 months ago) Permalink

yeah but but vinyl has a better chance of survival having already survived an extinction level event and rebounded

u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 28 September 2014 17:34 (2 months ago) Permalink

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 28 September 2014 17:38 (2 months ago) Permalink

^^^ expanded reissue available soon at urban outfitters, only $45 and it comes with a download code

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 28 September 2014 17:39 (2 months ago) Permalink

also - according to wiki jack white sold 44,000 vinyl of his new album that's kinda nuts

u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 28 September 2014 19:16 (2 months ago) Permalink

Yeah, they were saying on Sound Opinions how its the best selling new release on vinyl since Pearl Jam's Vitalogy, twenty (!) years ago.

MaudAddam (cryptosicko), Sunday, 28 September 2014 20:04 (2 months ago) Permalink

Vinyl for Vitalogy was released a week earlier than the CD/Cassette, iirc. Also, that vinyl for the new JW album looked beautiful, and was gimmick-packed in the best way.

A college wearing a sweater that says “John Belushi” (stevie), Sunday, 28 September 2014 22:01 (2 months ago) Permalink

Vitalogy landed in the Top 60 on it's opening vinyl week too.

You and Dad's Army? (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 28 September 2014 22:06 (2 months ago) Permalink

yeah but but vinyl has a better chance of survival having already survived an extinction level event and rebounded

― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, September 28, 2014 1:34 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is true on several levels: vinyl is the only format that can be played without electricity.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 28 September 2014 22:12 (2 months ago) Permalink

haha i didn't even think of that but yeah...but overall, i'd guess vinyl survives CDs just because it went though all those transitional pains of going from a mass market to a niche, specialist product and has somehow not only survived but improbably flourished...

u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 29 September 2014 00:35 (1 month ago) Permalink

What's the secret to finding cheap records at UO?

I used to stop by all the time assuming they'd be blowing shit out and it never happened.

a-lo, Monday, 29 September 2014 12:33 (1 month ago) Permalink

Same here. I think I'll ask someone there next time. Maybe they only do it certain times as aged inventory or something.

Evan, Monday, 29 September 2014 14:02 (1 month ago) Permalink


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