Continuing the discussion from the Rolling Metal Thread:
So the new Metallica album is called... Death Magnetic. Sigh.
-- Jeff Treppel, Wednesday, July 2, 2008 4:26 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link
I'm still hopeful.
-- A. Begrand, Wednesday, July 2, 2008 4:29 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link
Yeah, maybe an album title as stupid as that one could actually be a good sign.
Seriously!
-- roxymuzak, Wednesday, July 2, 2008 4:39 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link
I get the feeling the music might be good, but the lyrics are probably going to be pretty grown-inducing, if the title and what they've mentioned in the Rolling Stone article are any indication. I mean, Metallica have never been the BEST lyricists, but "Suicide, I've already died / it's just the funeral I'm waiting for" and "Hunt you down all nightmare long" do not inspire much confidence.
-- Jeff Treppel, Wednesday, July 2, 2008 5:57 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
I think I'm going to go start a new thread for this, it's probably general interest.
-- Jeff Treppel, Wednesday, July 2, 2008 6:00 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
― Jeff Treppel, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:04 (4 years ago) Permalink
― stephen, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:06 (4 years ago) Permalink
Special edition!
According to the Norwegian music retailer Platekompaniet, METALLICA will release a limited-edition two-CD, one-DVD, deluxe "Death Magnetic" box set in September. The box set will be packaged as a coffin box and will also include an exclusive t-shirt, flag and USB memory stick.
The details of the deluxe box set are as follows:
* 1 "Death Magnetic" CD (exclusive digipack version) * 1 CD with demos of songs from "Death Magnetic" (10 songs) * 1 "Making of 'Death Magnetic'" DVD featuring never-before-seen material * 1 exclusive "Death Magnetic" t-shirt (only available with the box set) * 1 "Death Magnetic" flag * A set of "Death Magnetic" guitar picks * 1 fold-out, coffin box, poster with pictures of the band members * 1 USB memory stick with METALLICA logo (enables digital download of "Death Magnetic" album)
― Jeff Treppel, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:07 (4 years ago) Permalink
Everything but good music. Excellent planning.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:12 (4 years ago) Permalink
cynic
― electricsound, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:13 (4 years ago) Permalink
Er, apparently it's the 16th in the US. Could some kind mod fix that in the title?
― Jeff Treppel, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:15 (4 years ago) Permalink
ok
― electricsound, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:16 (4 years ago) Permalink
you buncha haters need to recognize that this was once one of the three or four best bands on the planet OK so even if they're dicks now you gotta give them some propers before you piss on them
― J0hn D., Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:16 (4 years ago) Permalink
and "Death Magnetic" is a proper metal title, certainly kicks the shit outta "Load" and for that matter "...And Justice for All"
― J0hn D., Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:17 (4 years ago) Permalink
xpost I couldn't care less if the guys are dicks, just that their music sucks exactly that: dicks.
― stephen, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:20 (4 years ago) Permalink
I don't know, I just picture a gravestone with refrigerator magnets on it.
― Jeff Treppel, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:22 (4 years ago) Permalink
for some reason i really feel like buying this
― electricsound, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:25 (4 years ago) Permalink
And John -- I would like nothing more than for this album to kick ass. The Black album was the first CD I ever bought.
electricsound - What, the coffin box?
― Jeff Treppel, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:27 (4 years ago) Permalink
yes!
― electricsound, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:29 (4 years ago) Permalink
for the demos and the flag
― electricsound, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:30 (4 years ago) Permalink
yeah I mean the chances are slim I'd guess, I don't think they'd put up with the kind of producer who'd be the only kind able to get a great record out of them. but there's nothing on anybody's top ten list this year that's even a quarter as good as master of puppets so I feel like I gotta defend metallica, even though they have sucked for some time.
― J0hn D., Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:32 (4 years ago) Permalink
Defending Metallica in 2008 is like getting back together with the ex-girlfriend who cheated on you and lied to you the last 4-5 times you were together.
Highest possible respect for their work in the 80s. But do not set yourself up for further disappointment. Not even Rubin can clean up this mess.
― Nate Carson, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:41 (4 years ago) Permalink
The coffin box is $929 Finnish. Not sure how much that is in real money.
― Jeff Treppel, Thursday, 3 July 2008 02:00 (4 years ago) Permalink
― J0hn D., Thursday, 3 July 2008 02:05 (4 years ago) Permalink
4 great albums. can we talk about how much this is gonna suck now?
― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 3 July 2008 02:07 (4 years ago) Permalink
yeah go for it, they're awful
― J0hn D., Thursday, 3 July 2008 02:09 (4 years ago) Permalink
New song samples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYO9hxTVskk
― Jeff Treppel, Thursday, 3 July 2008 02:11 (4 years ago) Permalink
Finnish currency is in Euros now.
929 Euros = 1 474.6946 U.S. dollars
― stephen, Thursday, 3 July 2008 02:11 (4 years ago) Permalink
Really? This pricelist has just the CD for €149.50, which seems kind of excessive to me.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3011/2632512014_feaaaef164_o.jpg
― Jeff Treppel, Thursday, 3 July 2008 02:13 (4 years ago) Permalink
I don't need this album to equal their 80s stuff, I just want a Metallica album with some semblance of dignity. A good, solid 7/10-style record would make me happy.
― A. Begrand, Thursday, 3 July 2008 02:25 (4 years ago) Permalink
I am my own best friend.
― calstars, Thursday, 3 July 2008 02:28 (4 years ago) Permalink
It was really weird to watch "Some Kind of Monster" because it suddenly seemed like they were such amateurs at songwriting, which is totally not the impression you get when you listen to "Ride the Lightning", "Master of Puppets," or "...And Justice for All."
― res, Thursday, 3 July 2008 02:39 (4 years ago) Permalink
samples sound OK-to-good except for the vocals. I mean, Metallica was never about the vocals, but they had a tweaked dignity - the Rubin touch on that voice isn't what it needs, at all. But the sample from 1:00-end? I'll fucking take it, thanks. And if they wanted to release an instrumental disc of this, I wouldn't complain.
― J0hn D., Thursday, 3 July 2008 03:05 (4 years ago) Permalink
sounds vaguely black album-ish.
― latebloomer, Thursday, 3 July 2008 03:22 (4 years ago) Permalink
Agree with J0hn - from those clips the vocals really stand out as bad. Turn them down in the mix, Rick! The guitars are still so blues/southern rock-ish, too. When did Kirk start doing that shit? I never felt any kind of Blues Hammer vibe in any of their pre-'Black Album' stuff.
I almost wish they would take that further and just go for a total down-tuned Earthride type vibe.
― rockapads, Thursday, 3 July 2008 03:35 (4 years ago) Permalink
"Silent Hedges" by Bauhaus came up on my iPod today and at first, I was all "Well this is a weird version of 'Call of Kthulu' here."
And then a few more tunes into shuffle, "When Hell Freezes Over", a demo version of "Call of Kthulu", comes on and now this thread. yikes.
― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 3 July 2008 04:17 (4 years ago) Permalink
I'll give them another chance. They were easily the best band of the 1980s and the fact that they're all dicks doesn't mean the music _has_ to suck.
― mei, Thursday, 3 July 2008 11:51 (4 years ago) Permalink
I am actually kinda excited/anticipatory about this one. The song samples are already 1000x better than St. Anger, and I'm gonna try real hard to squeeze one of those coffin boxes out of label/management.
― unperson, Thursday, 3 July 2008 14:01 (4 years ago) Permalink
I mean, Metallica was never about the vocals, but they had a tweaked dignity
The vocals on Puppets and Justice are good. Earlier than that he's a bit screechy, later he's trying too hard and they sound affected.
That preview doesn't fill me with much hope, but I'm still going to check it out. I will probably steal it, just to rile Lars.
― chap, Thursday, 3 July 2008 14:05 (4 years ago) Permalink
"It was really weird to watch "Some Kind of Monster" because it suddenly seemed like they were such amateurs at songwriting..."
I agree. It seemed like they were trying way too hard and/or thinking way too much. I can't imagine they were having those intense writing sessions during "Ride the Lightning", that album is just so fucking awesome
― Bill Magill, Thursday, 3 July 2008 15:58 (4 years ago) Permalink
Rick Rubin hasn't produced a decent album in what, 20 years?
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:02 (4 years ago) Permalink
I guess his song on the Li'l Jon album was okay
From what I understand from the whole Velvet Revolver fiasco is that Rubin doesn't do a goddamn thing anyway. But anything has to be better than that bleach blond surfer dude who played bass on St. Anger. Who is a worse influence, him, Lars or their shrink>?
― Bill Magill, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:05 (4 years ago) Permalink
i'm cautiously optimistic.
― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:08 (4 years ago) Permalink
um don't people love all those johnny cash albums he did?
― n/a, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:14 (4 years ago) Permalink
my friend says the new Neil Diamond is pretty good.
― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:17 (4 years ago) Permalink
hate 'em
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:19 (4 years ago) Permalink
99 problems was good
― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:20 (4 years ago) Permalink
it suddenly seemed like they were such amateurs at songwriting, which is totally not the impression you get when you listen to "Ride the Lightning", "Master of Puppets," or "...And Justice for All."
That totally is the impression you get - it's all charisma and kick-ass riffs that hold these albums together, the songwriting is easily the worst thing about all of them. Their idea of an epic song is to take three riffs and cycle between them every 16 bars for 9 minutes with no dynamics or development. Compare "To Live Is To Die" with, say, "Norvegr" (a song that does the exact same thing).
― Siegbran, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:21 (4 years ago) Permalink
the overly reverent "he's a serious ARTIST DON'T YOU SEE" schtick Rubin laid on him was pretty obnoxious. Don't get me wrong, I love Johnny Cash, I own a ton of his records, but he was a very varied performer and songwriter and the overly dour, super-serious treatment Rubin gave him and the songs Rubin selected for him to cover were pretty predictable and uninspired. There's no fun, no joy in those records - they were all about propping up the mythologized image of Cash as a tragic, tortured figure and there was way more to him than that.
but what do I know
x-post
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:28 (4 years ago) Permalink
OTM
the songs Rubin selected for him to cover were pretty predictable and uninspired.
"Thirteen" (Glenn Danzig) "Rusty Cage" (Chris Cornell) – 2:49 "Hurt" (Reznor) – 3:38 "Personal Jesus" (Gore) – 3:20
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:32 (4 years ago) Permalink
cash was a long time depeche mode fan though, he was doing a bob wills/western swing style version of "master and servant" in his live sets as early as 87
― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:34 (4 years ago) Permalink
^^^all a bunch of dark, maudlin crap
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:35 (4 years ago) Permalink
The second Cash/Rubin record, Unchained, is the only real keeper. There was a band behind him, and he actually rocked out a few times - the aforementioned cover of "Rusty Cage" in particular. For that reason, it's kind of ignored now, because all the super-serious critics who fawned all over the most mournful of the acoustic stuff didn't want to hear a Cash with any life in him.
― unperson, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:37 (4 years ago) Permalink
I like his work with System of a Down.
― chap, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:49 (4 years ago) Permalink
omfg this video
― You just got HAPPENED (Hurting 2), Sunday, 15 February 2009 06:28 (4 years ago) Permalink
Slightly better quality
― You just got HAPPENED (Hurting 2), Sunday, 15 February 2009 06:36 (4 years ago) Permalink
yeah thanks for the video metallica, better luck next time on the music
― dunt renaissance (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 15 February 2009 08:36 (4 years ago) Permalink
Was all the more awesome because I saw it on the treadmill TV at the Y.
― You just got HAPPENED (Hurting 2), Sunday, 15 February 2009 17:29 (4 years ago) Permalink
Face facts. Metallica has not made a good album since Justice. Taking out every worthwhile aspect of your music does not constitute maturity.
― ilxor, Saturday, 28 March 2009 04:53 (4 years ago) Permalink
IAWDC*
(*I AGREE WITH DIS CHALLOPS)
― GÖDEL ESCHER BOCK BOCK BOCK (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 28 March 2009 07:27 (4 years ago) Permalink
man...i keep wondering why i never want to listen to this, and this time the overcompression and horrid digital recording quality is just screaming at me...even at low volumes it's just ridiculously shrill and aggravating on a sonic level. zero bass as well.
a similar charge could be leveled at "...And Justice for All" though. I actually prefer the production on this one to that one.
― Mike Crandle, Financial Analyst, Bear Stearns, New York, NY 10185 (res), Thursday, 2 July 2009 03:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
a year on and it's still shite
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 15:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
roxy totally otm on this thread
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 15:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
What, you expected it to get good all of the sudden? Is there some kind of "time release" music technology, like a vitamin?
― Bill Magill, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 16:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
no, i just hope those who gushed over it on release will now admit it's shite.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 16:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
i really think we're at the point where it's impossible to make like a big budget "name brand" major label rock record that is actually good. they all just sound like shit now
― could it be that it was all so shipley? (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 16:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
Mastodon kinda did it but even then it doesn't hold a candle to their first couple of albums.If Torche and Baroness become a name brand it could be possible. I think Qotsa's best days are sadly behind them though, even if i liked their recent albums, they just werent as great as preceded it.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 16:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
but that would probably be better on its own thread
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 16:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah yr right, nu metallica would suck a dong even if they did that shit in robert pollard's basement or the most expensive studio in the world
― could it be that it was all so shipley? (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 16:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
all bands run out of steam. Some quit and some shit over their legacy cuz it makes them money and still sell out stadiums. Some fans put up with it because they still mainly play the old songs live.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 16:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
and if one truly awful album is followed by a "decentish" album then it's regarded as a "return to form".
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 16:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
"Mastodon kinda did it but even then it doesn't hold a candle to their first couple of albums."
I disagree with this. I think their new one is much better than Remission, and its up there with Leviathan. I think these guys are getting better.
― Bill Magill, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 16:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
anyway i still reckon you should start a separate thread and paste those posts on it.xp
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 16:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
best major label rock albums of the decade
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 16:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
i just hope those who gushed over it on release will now admit it's shite
No such luck, bud. I was listening to it yesterday. I still like it a lot. And when I saw them in February, the new songs went over huge with the crowd. I expect the same thing to happen when I see them in a couple of weeks at MSG.
― neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 16:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
I still like this too, my only two complaints being the horrible compression and the "what don't kill you make you more strong" chorus lyric.
― & other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 16:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
the horrible compression
Yeah, I will admit I don't actually play the physical CD; I downloaded the Guitar Hero version and that's what's in my iPod - that, and the audio of the Newark show I was at, purchased from their website.
― neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 17:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
'What, you expected it to get good all of the sudden? Is there some kind of "time release" music technology, like a vitamin?'
There's a natural tendency to embrace vilified crap years later. I can't think of a counterexample (initially thought of as crap, remains crap). Is there one?
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 17:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
There's a lot of crap that starts out crap and remains crap.
― Bill Magill, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 17:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
I mean remains thought of as crap. I'm sure a lot of crap was initially correctly identified, but the years tend to make people second guess that correct assumption. People are just too forgiving!
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 19:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
How about most, if not all, of Mick Jagger's solo work? I think that's the epitome of crap.
― Bill Magill, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 19:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
I bet there's at least one person on ILM who will make a spirited defence of Mick Jagger's solo work.
― Neil S, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 20:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
I can't think of a counterexample (initially thought of as crap, remains crap). Is there one?
St. Anger?
― akm, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 22:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
I still think this album's pretty good.
― His skin is eroding. His suckers have divots. (chap), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 22:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
"love is a four-letter word"
― markers, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 21:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
"splatter some color on this gray"
― markers, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 21:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
i typed that into google and the only hit it is What's going on with High on Fire?
― markers, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 21:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
ah, it's "i'll splatter color on this gray"
good to know
It never ceases to amaze me how while Hetfield's lyrics weren't exactly intellectual back in the day, everything 1991-present makes old Jaymz' lyrics look reminiscent of Plato in comparison.
hell even the Black album, which had its share of cringe-inducing moments is more tolerable than the 'lol wtf' stuff James writes now. I'd prefer it if all James did was grunt the word "bonzai" over thrash riffs.
― Bitch, it cold outside!!! BURR (San Te), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 22:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'd prefer it if all James did was grunt the word "bonzai" over thrash riffs.
<3 this so much
― markers, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 23:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
"Can't you help me be uncrazy?"
yeah, it's weird-- Jaymz's lyrics from Ride the Lightning through Black Album are pretty good. The stuff shown in Some Kind of Monster are downright embarrassing-- although Kirk's contributions are jaw-droppingly embarrassing.
― Lazarus Niles-Burnham (res), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 23:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
dude's life rattle determined his death rattle
― bear, bear, bear, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 23:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
i rage i glaze i hurt i hate iirc
― markers, Thursday, 23 December 2010 04:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
Ha ha, you listen to Metallica lyrics. (Sounds like an Anal Cunt song title: "You Listen To Metallica For The Words.")
― that's not funny. (unperson), Thursday, 23 December 2010 13:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, I'd actually say that from Ride through the black album that James' lyrics at least approached the intellectual. He seemed very informed and literate and capable of describing his insights and opinions in a poetic way.
― rake rock reggae (kkvgz), Thursday, 23 December 2010 14:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
For me, as a Metallica-listening preteen, the first intimations of trouble were definitely the nursery rhymes in Enter Sandman. I felt that was such a cheap move.
― rake rock reggae (kkvgz), Thursday, 23 December 2010 14:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
Especially since Megadeth had just used that same exact prayer on "Go to Hell".
― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 23 December 2010 14:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, but for some reason I liked it when Megadeth did it, maybe because I didn't expect as much from Megadeth at the time. I mean, that was on the Bill & Ted soundtrack.
― rake rock reggae (kkvgz), Thursday, 23 December 2010 14:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
I mean: Slaughter! Steve Vai! Faith No More! Kiss! Megadeth! Winger! Primus!
― rake rock reggae (kkvgz), Thursday, 23 December 2010 14:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
Battle Stations is a jam though.
My point was when "Enter Sandman" came out, not only was it a little lame, but I was also like "wait, didn't I just hear someone do this over the summer? And wasn't it Metallica's EX-GUITARIST?"
― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 23 December 2010 15:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
My first truly raised lyrical eyebrow was the "... And Justice ..." nugget: "See your mother, put to death. See your mother ... die!"
Well, yeah. You just said it, James. Whether it works or not, the redundancy's always bugged me.
What's the grammatical term for reversing the order of words, the way they so often do in metal? Like, not "puppet master," but "master of puppets?"
There used to be a children's furniture store here called Cradles of Distinction.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 December 2010 17:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
maybe they should give Lars a go at singing. might be humorous
― Bitch, it cold outside!!! BURR (San Te), Thursday, 23 December 2010 19:40 (2 years ago) Permalink