Metallica! Rick Rubin! Death Magnetic! September 16 (-ish)!

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Continuing the discussion from the Rolling Metal Thread:

So the new Metallica album is called... Death Magnetic. Sigh.

-- Jeff Treppel, Wednesday, July 2, 2008 4:26 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

I'm still hopeful.

-- A. Begrand, Wednesday, July 2, 2008 4:29 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

Yeah, maybe an album title as stupid as that one could actually be a good sign.

Seriously!

-- roxymuzak, Wednesday, July 2, 2008 4:39 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

I get the feeling the music might be good, but the lyrics are probably going to be pretty grown-inducing, if the title and what they've mentioned in the Rolling Stone article are any indication. I mean, Metallica have never been the BEST lyricists, but "Suicide, I've already died / it's just the funeral I'm waiting for" and "Hunt you down all nightmare long" do not inspire much confidence.

-- Jeff Treppel, Wednesday, July 2, 2008 5:57 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

I think I'm going to go start a new thread for this, it's probably general interest.

-- Jeff Treppel, Wednesday, July 2, 2008 6:00 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Jeff Treppel, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

stephen, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

Special edition!

According to the Norwegian music retailer Platekompaniet, METALLICA will release a limited-edition two-CD, one-DVD, deluxe "Death Magnetic" box set in September. The box set will be packaged as a coffin box and will also include an exclusive t-shirt, flag and USB memory stick.

The details of the deluxe box set are as follows:

* 1 "Death Magnetic" CD (exclusive digipack version)
* 1 CD with demos of songs from "Death Magnetic" (10 songs)
* 1 "Making of 'Death Magnetic'" DVD featuring never-before-seen material
* 1 exclusive "Death Magnetic" t-shirt (only available with the box set)
* 1 "Death Magnetic" flag
* A set of "Death Magnetic" guitar picks
* 1 fold-out, coffin box, poster with pictures of the band members
* 1 USB memory stick with METALLICA logo (enables digital download of "Death Magnetic" album)

Jeff Treppel, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

Everything but good music. Excellent planning.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

cynic

electricsound, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

Er, apparently it's the 16th in the US. Could some kind mod fix that in the title?

Jeff Treppel, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

ok

electricsound, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

you buncha haters need to recognize that this was once one of the three or four best bands on the planet OK so even if they're dicks now you gotta give them some propers before you piss on them

J0hn D., Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

and "Death Magnetic" is a proper metal title, certainly kicks the shit outta "Load" and for that matter "...And Justice for All"

J0hn D., Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:17 (6 years ago) Permalink

xpost I couldn't care less if the guys are dicks, just that their music sucks exactly that: dicks.

stephen, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:20 (6 years ago) Permalink

I don't know, I just picture a gravestone with refrigerator magnets on it.

Jeff Treppel, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

for some reason i really feel like buying this

electricsound, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

And John -- I would like nothing more than for this album to kick ass. The Black album was the first CD I ever bought.

electricsound - What, the coffin box?

Jeff Treppel, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

yes!

electricsound, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

for the demos and the flag

electricsound, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

yeah I mean the chances are slim I'd guess, I don't think they'd put up with the kind of producer who'd be the only kind able to get a great record out of them. but there's nothing on anybody's top ten list this year that's even a quarter as good as master of puppets so I feel like I gotta defend metallica, even though they have sucked for some time.

J0hn D., Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

Defending Metallica in 2008 is like getting back together with the ex-girlfriend who cheated on you and lied to you the last 4-5 times you were together.

Highest possible respect for their work in the 80s. But do not set yourself up for further disappointment. Not even Rubin can clean up this mess.

Nate Carson, Thursday, 3 July 2008 01:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

The coffin box is $929 Finnish. Not sure how much that is in real money.

Jeff Treppel, Thursday, 3 July 2008 02:00 (6 years ago) Permalink

J0hn D., Thursday, 3 July 2008 02:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

you buncha haters need to recognize that this was once one of the three or four best bands on the planet OK so even if they're dicks now you gotta give them some propers before you piss on them

4 great albums. can we talk about how much this is gonna suck now?

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 3 July 2008 02:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

yeah go for it, they're awful

J0hn D., Thursday, 3 July 2008 02:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

New song samples:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYO9hxTVskk

Jeff Treppel, Thursday, 3 July 2008 02:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

Finnish currency is in Euros now.

929 Euros = 1 474.6946 U.S. dollars

stephen, Thursday, 3 July 2008 02:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

Really? This pricelist has just the CD for €149.50, which seems kind of excessive to me.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3011/2632512014_feaaaef164_o.jpg

Jeff Treppel, Thursday, 3 July 2008 02:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

I don't need this album to equal their 80s stuff, I just want a Metallica album with some semblance of dignity. A good, solid 7/10-style record would make me happy.

A. Begrand, Thursday, 3 July 2008 02:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

I am my own best friend.

calstars, Thursday, 3 July 2008 02:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

It was really weird to watch "Some Kind of Monster" because it suddenly seemed like they were such amateurs at songwriting, which is totally not the impression you get when you listen to "Ride the Lightning", "Master of Puppets," or "...And Justice for All."

res, Thursday, 3 July 2008 02:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

samples sound OK-to-good except for the vocals. I mean, Metallica was never about the vocals, but they had a tweaked dignity - the Rubin touch on that voice isn't what it needs, at all. But the sample from 1:00-end? I'll fucking take it, thanks. And if they wanted to release an instrumental disc of this, I wouldn't complain.

J0hn D., Thursday, 3 July 2008 03:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

sounds vaguely black album-ish.

latebloomer, Thursday, 3 July 2008 03:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

Agree with J0hn - from those clips the vocals really stand out as bad. Turn them down in the mix, Rick! The guitars are still so blues/southern rock-ish, too. When did Kirk start doing that shit? I never felt any kind of Blues Hammer vibe in any of their pre-'Black Album' stuff.

I almost wish they would take that further and just go for a total down-tuned Earthride type vibe.

rockapads, Thursday, 3 July 2008 03:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

"Silent Hedges" by Bauhaus came up on my iPod today and at first, I was all "Well this is a weird version of 'Call of Kthulu' here."

And then a few more tunes into shuffle, "When Hell Freezes Over", a demo version of "Call of Kthulu", comes on and now this thread. yikes.

Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 3 July 2008 04:17 (6 years ago) Permalink

I'll give them another chance. They were easily the best band of the 1980s and the fact that they're all dicks doesn't mean the music _has_ to suck.

mei, Thursday, 3 July 2008 11:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

I am actually kinda excited/anticipatory about this one. The song samples are already 1000x better than St. Anger, and I'm gonna try real hard to squeeze one of those coffin boxes out of label/management.

unperson, Thursday, 3 July 2008 14:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

I mean, Metallica was never about the vocals, but they had a tweaked dignity

The vocals on Puppets and Justice are good. Earlier than that he's a bit screechy, later he's trying too hard and they sound affected.

That preview doesn't fill me with much hope, but I'm still going to check it out. I will probably steal it, just to rile Lars.

chap, Thursday, 3 July 2008 14:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

"It was really weird to watch "Some Kind of Monster" because it suddenly seemed like they were such amateurs at songwriting..."

I agree. It seemed like they were trying way too hard and/or thinking way too much. I can't imagine they were having those intense writing sessions during "Ride the Lightning", that album is just so fucking awesome

Bill Magill, Thursday, 3 July 2008 15:58 (6 years ago) Permalink

Rick Rubin hasn't produced a decent album in what, 20 years?

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

I guess his song on the Li'l Jon album was okay

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

From what I understand from the whole Velvet Revolver fiasco is that Rubin doesn't do a goddamn thing anyway. But anything has to be better than that bleach blond surfer dude who played bass on St. Anger. Who is a worse influence, him, Lars or their shrink>?

Bill Magill, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

i'm cautiously optimistic.

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:08 (6 years ago) Permalink

um don't people love all those johnny cash albums he did?

n/a, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

my friend says the new Neil Diamond is pretty good.

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:17 (6 years ago) Permalink

um don't people love all those johnny cash albums he did?

hate 'em

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

99 problems was good

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:20 (6 years ago) Permalink

it suddenly seemed like they were such amateurs at songwriting, which is totally not the impression you get when you listen to "Ride the Lightning", "Master of Puppets," or "...And Justice for All."

That totally is the impression you get - it's all charisma and kick-ass riffs that hold these albums together, the songwriting is easily the worst thing about all of them. Their idea of an epic song is to take three riffs and cycle between them every 16 bars for 9 minutes with no dynamics or development. Compare "To Live Is To Die" with, say, "Norvegr" (a song that does the exact same thing).

Siegbran, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

the overly reverent "he's a serious ARTIST DON'T YOU SEE" schtick Rubin laid on him was pretty obnoxious. Don't get me wrong, I love Johnny Cash, I own a ton of his records, but he was a very varied performer and songwriter and the overly dour, super-serious treatment Rubin gave him and the songs Rubin selected for him to cover were pretty predictable and uninspired. There's no fun, no joy in those records - they were all about propping up the mythologized image of Cash as a tragic, tortured figure and there was way more to him than that.

but what do I know

x-post

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

but what do I know

OTM

the songs Rubin selected for him to cover were pretty predictable and uninspired.

"Thirteen" (Glenn Danzig)
"Rusty Cage" (Chris Cornell) – 2:49
"Hurt" (Reznor) – 3:38
"Personal Jesus" (Gore) – 3:20

Mr. Que, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

cash was a long time depeche mode fan though, he was doing a bob wills/western swing style version of "master and servant" in his live sets as early as 87

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:34 (6 years ago) Permalink

^^^all a bunch of dark, maudlin crap

x-post

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

The second Cash/Rubin record, Unchained, is the only real keeper. There was a band behind him, and he actually rocked out a few times - the aforementioned cover of "Rusty Cage" in particular. For that reason, it's kind of ignored now, because all the super-serious critics who fawned all over the most mournful of the acoustic stuff didn't want to hear a Cash with any life in him.

unperson, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

Rick Rubin hasn't produced a decent album in what, 20 years?

I like his work with System of a Down.

chap, Thursday, 3 July 2008 16:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

man...i keep wondering why i never want to listen to this, and this time the overcompression and horrid digital recording quality is just screaming at me...even at low volumes it's just ridiculously shrill and aggravating on a sonic level. zero bass as well.

a similar charge could be leveled at "...And Justice for All" though. I actually prefer the production on this one to that one.

Mike Crandle, Financial Analyst, Bear Stearns, New York, NY 10185 (res), Thursday, 2 July 2009 03:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

a year on and it's still shite

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 15:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

roxy totally otm on this thread

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 15:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

What, you expected it to get good all of the sudden? Is there some kind of "time release" music technology, like a vitamin?

Bill Magill, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 16:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

no, i just hope those who gushed over it on release will now admit it's shite.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 16:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

i really think we're at the point where it's impossible to make like a big budget "name brand" major label rock record that is actually good. they all just sound like shit now

could it be that it was all so shipley? (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 16:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

Mastodon kinda did it but even then it doesn't hold a candle to their first couple of albums.
If Torche and Baroness become a name brand it could be possible. I think Qotsa's best days are sadly behind them though, even if i liked their recent albums, they just werent as great as preceded it.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 16:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

but that would probably be better on its own thread

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 16:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah yr right, nu metallica would suck a dong even if they did that shit in robert pollard's basement or the most expensive studio in the world

could it be that it was all so shipley? (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 16:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

all bands run out of steam. Some quit and some shit over their legacy cuz it makes them money and still sell out stadiums. Some fans put up with it because they still mainly play the old songs live.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 16:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

and if one truly awful album is followed by a "decentish" album then it's regarded as a "return to form".

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 16:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

"Mastodon kinda did it but even then it doesn't hold a candle to their first couple of albums."

I disagree with this. I think their new one is much better than Remission, and its up there with Leviathan. I think these guys are getting better.

Bill Magill, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 16:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

anyway i still reckon you should start a separate thread and paste those posts on it.
xp

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 16:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

best major label rock albums of the decade

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 16:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

i just hope those who gushed over it on release will now admit it's shite

No such luck, bud. I was listening to it yesterday. I still like it a lot. And when I saw them in February, the new songs went over huge with the crowd. I expect the same thing to happen when I see them in a couple of weeks at MSG.

neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 16:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

I still like this too, my only two complaints being the horrible compression and the "what don't kill you make you more strong" chorus lyric.

& other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 16:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

the horrible compression

Yeah, I will admit I don't actually play the physical CD; I downloaded the Guitar Hero version and that's what's in my iPod - that, and the audio of the Newark show I was at, purchased from their website.

neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 17:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

'What, you expected it to get good all of the sudden? Is there some kind of "time release" music technology, like a vitamin?'

There's a natural tendency to embrace vilified crap years later. I can't think of a counterexample (initially thought of as crap, remains crap). Is there one?

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 17:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

There's a lot of crap that starts out crap and remains crap.

Bill Magill, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 17:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

I mean remains thought of as crap. I'm sure a lot of crap was initially correctly identified, but the years tend to make people second guess that correct assumption. People are just too forgiving!

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 19:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

How about most, if not all, of Mick Jagger's solo work? I think that's the epitome of crap.

Bill Magill, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 19:53 (5 years ago) Permalink

I bet there's at least one person on ILM who will make a spirited defence of Mick Jagger's solo work.

Neil S, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 20:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

I can't think of a counterexample (initially thought of as crap, remains crap). Is there one?

St. Anger?

akm, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 22:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

I still think this album's pretty good.

His skin is eroding. His suckers have divots. (chap), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 22:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

"love is a four-letter word"

markers, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 21:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

"splatter some color on this gray"

markers, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 21:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

i typed that into google and the only hit it is What's going on with High on Fire?

markers, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 21:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

ah, it's "i'll splatter color on this gray"

good to know

markers, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 21:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

It never ceases to amaze me how while Hetfield's lyrics weren't exactly intellectual back in the day, everything 1991-present makes old Jaymz' lyrics look reminiscent of Plato in comparison.

hell even the Black album, which had its share of cringe-inducing moments is more tolerable than the 'lol wtf' stuff James writes now. I'd prefer it if all James did was grunt the word "bonzai" over thrash riffs.

Bitch, it cold outside!!! BURR (San Te), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 22:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'd prefer it if all James did was grunt the word "bonzai" over thrash riffs.

<3 this so much

markers, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 23:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Can't you help me be uncrazy?"

markers, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 23:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah, it's weird-- Jaymz's lyrics from Ride the Lightning through Black Album are pretty good. The stuff shown in Some Kind of Monster are downright embarrassing-- although Kirk's contributions are jaw-droppingly embarrassing.

Lazarus Niles-Burnham (res), Wednesday, 22 December 2010 23:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

dude's life rattle determined his death rattle

bear, bear, bear, Wednesday, 22 December 2010 23:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

i rage i glaze i hurt i hate iirc

markers, Thursday, 23 December 2010 04:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

Ha ha, you listen to Metallica lyrics. (Sounds like an Anal Cunt song title: "You Listen To Metallica For The Words.")

that's not funny. (unperson), Thursday, 23 December 2010 13:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I'd actually say that from Ride through the black album that James' lyrics at least approached the intellectual. He seemed very informed and literate and capable of describing his insights and opinions in a poetic way.

rake rock reggae (kkvgz), Thursday, 23 December 2010 14:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

For me, as a Metallica-listening preteen, the first intimations of trouble were definitely the nursery rhymes in Enter Sandman. I felt that was such a cheap move.

rake rock reggae (kkvgz), Thursday, 23 December 2010 14:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

Especially since Megadeth had just used that same exact prayer on "Go to Hell".

Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 23 December 2010 14:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, but for some reason I liked it when Megadeth did it, maybe because I didn't expect as much from Megadeth at the time. I mean, that was on the Bill & Ted soundtrack.

rake rock reggae (kkvgz), Thursday, 23 December 2010 14:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

I mean: Slaughter! Steve Vai! Faith No More! Kiss! Megadeth! Winger! Primus!

rake rock reggae (kkvgz), Thursday, 23 December 2010 14:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

Battle Stations is a jam though.

rake rock reggae (kkvgz), Thursday, 23 December 2010 14:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

My point was when "Enter Sandman" came out, not only was it a little lame, but I was also like "wait, didn't I just hear someone do this over the summer? And wasn't it Metallica's EX-GUITARIST?"

Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 23 December 2010 15:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

My first truly raised lyrical eyebrow was the "... And Justice ..." nugget: "See your mother, put to death. See your mother ... die!"

Well, yeah. You just said it, James. Whether it works or not, the redundancy's always bugged me.

What's the grammatical term for reversing the order of words, the way they so often do in metal? Like, not "puppet master," but "master of puppets?"

There used to be a children's furniture store here called Cradles of Distinction.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 December 2010 17:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

maybe they should give Lars a go at singing. might be humorous

Bitch, it cold outside!!! BURR (San Te), Thursday, 23 December 2010 19:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

I maintain there are four cracking tracks on this album (That Was Just your Life, End of the Line, All Nightmare Long, Cyanide)

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Saturday, 7 December 2013 16:30 (11 months ago) Permalink

I like this record but I consider it more of a Rick Rubin success than a Metallica one.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Saturday, 7 December 2013 17:01 (11 months ago) Permalink

lol

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Sunday, 8 December 2013 05:01 (11 months ago) Permalink

sorry if i'm coming off as just a hater, but i worry that any appraisal of this record in any way favorably comparing it to MOP or any of the other older metallica albums is so missing the point of what made those albums great, which was GREAT songs and GREAT guitar sound/creative playing. these things are missing 100% from this record. there is not a trace of that here. and those qualities, while they exist in the past, are what made metallica monstrous and to be feared and huge and awesome, and they are worth standing up for, IMO.

I got overexcited about "wow, a not terrible new metallica album" back then but let's be honest this roxy post was ridiculously OTM. plus I got a long tattoo once when this album was playing in the shop and fuckn' A you do not wanna have to sit through this record during a tattoo sitting.

combination hair (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 8 December 2013 20:10 (11 months ago) Permalink

eternal smdh @ critics racing to out-"surprisingly not that bad!!" each other about a weak album

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Monday, 9 December 2013 20:34 (11 months ago) Permalink

I stand by my review.

Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 9 December 2013 20:43 (11 months ago) Permalink


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