Royal Trux : Classic or Dud ?

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or just an inbetweener ?

ALSO - what about harmelodics - who needs that as a justification for playing watchawant whenyawant ?

Accelerator - I think everyone loved it cause it wasn't total shite like the previous albums

Geordie Racer, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

DUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I used to like Cats n' Dogs. NEVER liked Twin Infinitives (also known as music for posers rockstar wannabe junkie art school drop outs) and, even though I thought the "aerosmithy" later album was listenable, I got bored of them. Now, I get nothing out of Cats N' Dogs except annoying attitude from self-absorbed, self-destructive, overgrown brats that think not taking showers is cool. That Aerosmithy one, though (with Ray-O-vac) is STILL okay, but rarely do I think to put it on. They annoy me. Yes.

, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

probably dud, but only because their albums are overlong - the last song on veterans of disorder (forget the name) is about 7 minutes of pretentious guitarwank which the world could have done without. i remember reading a press clipping sounding really impressed that this was neil hagerty's longest ever solo. however, at other times, they do sound on fire, it just never quite gets going enough. jennifer herrema (sp?) is, however, the coolest woman in rock. without a shadow of a doubt...

Bill

Bill, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

So very in between. I have only heard everything from Thank You and later, except for Twin Infinitives, which I didn't like at all and eventually sold (and it wasn't because it was too noisy.) They have a handful of really, really great songs ("I'm Ready," "Stevie," "Yo Se!") but all the records I have are about half tracks I skip. I get annoyed by Herrerma's singing, though I realize most people consider her some kind of rock goddess (could it be because she is beautiful?) But no way could I say either classic or dud, I'm afraid.

Mark, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

->> Erm, I love Neil Hagerty's guitar wankery, precisely on songs like "Blue is the frequency". He is a remarkable wanker.

RTX will never be classic, but it certainly isn't dud. It's one of these cult footnotes in rockunroll history. Certainly not compulsory listening, but definitely worth investigating if hard drugs, dirty hair and space boogie usually interest you. Although I have "TI", "C&D" and weird live stuff, I confess I seldom listen to them. I mostly play their recent stuff, with "Thank You" remaining their highlight. Along with the now much-scorned "Give out but don't give up" by the Scream Team 94, "Thank You" is one of my alltime fave pastiche records, a proper pop record by a duo of brilliant songwriters who rarely before had released songs as straightforward. I think it's a good thing when a band reknowned for its "difficult listening material" comes out with a set of proper tunes with hooks and a high level of "hummability". The opening cut, "A Night To Remember", is in my mind comparable to such songs as the Stones' "Rocks Off!", the aforementioned Scream's "Jailbird" and "Rocks", Suede's "Metal Mickey" or Bowie's "Watch that Man". You know, songs you play before going out (a category of songs I love, I'll post a thread about that). And that's how I like my RTX: fast rockunroll with a blond cat on a hot tin roof's raspy growl telling me I'm gonna lose.

And if your girlfriend finds your Scruffy Jenny obsession suspicious and/or maddening, then she is not a woman for you, mate.

Mr Herrema, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I like them, but still have yet to get everything in my usual compulsive way. That's probably because right now I'm more interested in buying up every last No-Man related release, for instance.

My favorite moment of theirs is from that video of theirs where Jennifer acts sexy and semi-flashes the audience. It made no sense at all, it was the visual equivalent of "Pick 'em and Flick 'em" by the Melvins. *BOUM...BOUMMMMMMM...wheedlewheedlewheedle* Er, anyway.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Best rock band ever. But I've said that in almost every thread on ILM ;) 'Twin Infinitives', 'Royal Trux', 'Cats & Dogs' and 'Accelerator' are bona fide classics. And everyone probably loved Accelerator because 'Liar' has the greatest riff ever. Needless to say a typical love em or hate em band (never sing in sync, Neil plays too many notes, Jennifer is the strangest sex symbol in pop history, erratic live shows). So Supa CLASSIC!

Omar, Wednesday, 18 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I think they are just slightly worse than a Yo-La Tengo live performance (ie the Garage 1998) so pretty noisy and tuneless.

james edmund L, Wednesday, 18 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

God, that was short Omar ;). I was expecting an essay when I saw this thread. Classic anyway, although I only have "Thank You" which is fantastic. Great, great, guitar sound. Anyone heard Haggerty's solo album?

Dr. C, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hahaha...well if you could collect all the words I've written on Royal Trux on ILM you would get that essay ;) I can't be arsed to climb on a soapbox anymore and start praising a band that obviously is not to everyone's taste. The negative outcome of this c-o-d comes as no surprise since I've only met 3 people in my life who love Royal Trux, 2 who worked at the same record-shop I'm a regular customer of (and not counting the ones who where at the blinding gig they once played in Amsterdam, probably all critics ;)

Omar, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

five months pass...
I remember when I just didnt get Royal Trux. They were so way out and Jennifer usually just stood there and smoked and didnt say/sing a word while Neil shot his wad on guitar. It seemed all made up at the moment and straight out of a bong to boot. It was 1993 when I got to see them three nights in a row in Chicago at Lounge Ax for a Drag City festival. They played the same 'list' every night but in TOTALLY different ways. They were deconstructing their own music and songs with little to no effort. The songs remaned the same but the forms were totally different, as if there was a subconscience map they were following. It totally blew my mind. They were HUGE! The totally burned. They were Blue Cheer. It was amazing. I have seen them in the last few years and they seem to have locked into a loud boogie blues rock thing that seems pretty simular from night to night. Maybe the drugs DID keep them open ended and hungry.

Mark, Sunday, 30 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Official RTX lore says they were not on drugs in '93. More recent relatively-straight boogie rock phase was, I reckon, to do with the rhythm section who played on the final few tours and the 'Pound For Pound' LP. But Jen and Neil were still doing crazy shit!

joel, Monday, 1 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

four months pass...
Yeah, I have recently seen Neil play with his solo band and he is defiantly back to the open-ended crazy shit. Two drummers, both almost totally unaware of each other.. And a stand up bass that never really cut through the mess (and by mess I mean 'good, crazy, wicked mess). It took effort to see his genius during the live show that is more evident on the LPs. Check out the Drag City Super Sessions LP where Neil takes the helm over his songs, Smog’s' and Edith Frost's. His vision shines bright over all the songs and the LP is arguably HIS recor

Mark, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

eleven months pass...
Total Classic, or Total Dud, sometimes in the same song.
Their last three (real, not Hand of Glory) albums were some of the best rock albs of the 90s. Unless Pound For Pound was 2000, which I think it might have been. Come ON, "Sunshine & Grease", "Dr. Gone" fucking awesome and anyone who doesn't think so should be tied to a pillar of salt in Caribou Country.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 23 January 2003 16:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Totally agree. The last three albums are a trilogy on the theme of Great Rock Music. Jennifer channeling Bob Dylan on Coming Out Party is a beautiful thing. But destroy beyond recognition Twin Infinitives and "harmelodics". Has anyone heard Weird War, what's that like?

Paula G., Thursday, 23 January 2003 16:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Weird War is far more Svenonius (sp?) than Hagerty (sp? jeez, I'm dopey today). It's cheap thrills, a touch more exciting than Ian's David Candy alb.
For Neil's post-RT work, I like his two (or three if you count the Sabbath cover) Drag City Supersession songs best. There's some good stuff on both his solo albs, but I think one of the big things with him is who he's playing with brings out different things in him.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 23 January 2003 17:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

hah, dq to thread!!

geeta, Thursday, 23 January 2003 17:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

hand of glory is not a real album?

zemko (bob), Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well...it's album *length* anyway. But it's only two "songs" that seem to be just a lot of unfinished meanderings spliced together. I think it's stuff recorded over a lot of years in the late 1980s, in other words not made as *an album* but patched together as something for them to sell post-breakup. Maybe its better than I make it out, I only heard someone else's copy of it. But it sounded like more Twin Infinitives crap.

Paula G., Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like the SONG stuff.
The OTHER stuff, I can get into sometimes, but when they're doing rock songs, that's my favourite.
Hand of Glory is just OTHER stuff. No songs. Just stuff. Either you're into it or you aren't. Unless you're really not into, then you'll hate it.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 23 January 2003 20:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

i have thankyou, and might i say that it sucks the shit out of a horses ass.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 24 January 2003 00:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

Horace: the first Royal Trux album (self-titled, not the one with the skulls) is a flawless *synthesis* of "song" and "stuff". Check it out sometime.

harman, Friday, 24 January 2003 01:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

classic except for "hand of glory". everything else owns, and as it happens, the ones i liked least when they came out ("sweet 16" and "veterans") are now my favorites.

mosurock (mosurock), Friday, 24 January 2003 07:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

'Veterans of Disorder' is one of the greatest albums ever made, like if Primal Scream (or any other UK band) were 'about' music-qua-music

dave q, Friday, 24 January 2003 10:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Didn't Primal Scream dedicate an alb to the Trux?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 24 January 2003 14:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
I've heard a couple of things from 'veterans..' and 'accelerator...' and as nice as the riffs are, or as wasted as the singing sounds it kind of felt to me that I wouldn't really get into a full record of it. That feeling was enough to put me off until I got round to buying 'twin infinitives' last week after that royal trux vs afghan whigs thread.

I like it lots => pretty! Bunch of skeletal fragments put together to make into an incredibly coherent mess of a record.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I've seen a lot of slagging of that album lately. I love Twin Infinitives.

Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link

SO CLASSIC.

If you arent feeling a certain album of theirs, there will be a point in your life when you will.

I think they are the only band who's catalog I've completly sold off...only to buy it back later.

CATS and DOGS OWNZ.

ddb, Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I've been listening to the self titled recently. It's great!

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:28 (nineteen years ago) link

duh. Greatest rock and roll band of all time. No contest.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:42 (nineteen years ago) link

i really don't like royal trux. thankyou is the only one i have. i only listened to it once, and realised that i would never ever enjoy it, no matter how hard i tried. i like the ballad "stevie" which is off accelerator, i think, but i'm still saying dud. i've always meant to pick up a copy of "twin infinitives" though, out of curiosity more than anything.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 20:51 (nineteen years ago) link

If ever there was a group who ran 180-degrees against the prevailing ILM aesthetics (you know, Anglophilia; the people who accuse others of being "rockist" ... ), then RTX were/are it.

Did RTX create much of an impact in Britain? I really have no idea. It seems to me that most of their references and signifiers, not to mention their evocations, would be lost on a British audience. Or if RTX did in fact make an impression in the UK, I have a strong feeling that they were received and understood as far more exotic and inscrutable (or pretentious, if you like) than they actually were.

Anyway, at this stage I'm more convinced than ever that RTX were among the greatest bands in rock & roll history, and are gradually being recognized as such.

kjoerup, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 00:49 (nineteen years ago) link

See the thing is its that rock n'roll-ness of the band that put me off. Twin Infinitives is more artful.

More art, less rock thx!

When 'accelerator' came out I remember a 'wow they are back!'-type reaction from the press at the time, people seemed to be glad.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 08:55 (nineteen years ago) link

simon reynolds loved royal trux. he wrote about them in the melody maker at least once.

a, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 10:22 (nineteen years ago) link

accelerator and veterand of disorder totally blew my mind when they came out. it was mad, unpredictable rock and roll at its best. and i still love those records (much more than thank you, btw, which is only ok to me). but accelerator... oh my...

joan vich (joan vich), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link

are their reference points really that inscrutable to UK audiences? The Stones seem to loom the largest in RTX's universe.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Royal Trux played the worst show I ever saw. We saw them out at the back of The Garage afterwards and my friend Ben shouted at them for it.

Thank You is terrible, though.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 18:58 (nineteen years ago) link

i got twin infinitives tonight because of this thread. cheap & used & FUCKING AWESOME. it's gonna take me weeks to make sense of this album.

Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 27 May 2004 06:44 (nineteen years ago) link

it's a classic, but Thank You is the masterpiece.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:19 (nineteen years ago) link

NO "ACCELERATOR" IS

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:22 (nineteen years ago) link

NO ACTUALLY IT'S "SINGLES, LIVE, UNRELEASED". That record just beats everything ever in the right mood.

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 27 May 2004 14:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I only have Thank You, but for faux-Stones with the weirdness cranked up a few notches there is none better. (I'll get the rest eventually when I find them at less extortionate prices!) I love that they could freely talk about harmolodics, and star in their own comic book.

Hayden Nicholls (Pop the Weasel), Thursday, 27 May 2004 15:55 (nineteen years ago) link

four months pass...
I've purchased Pound for Pound, Veterans of Disorder, and Thank You within the past couple of weeks and now Royal Trux is the only music I want to listen to. What should I do?

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Accelerator, my friend.

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Accelerator is one of the best.

steve hise, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.dragcity.com/catalog/records/dc3.gif

Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link

they are good aren't they nick?!?!

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Is Royal Trux noize?

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link

if not, i don't know what noize is

(ok, wolf eyes or some shit, but then who cares?)

amateur!!st, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, Neil Michael Hagerty & the Howling Hex double album (I haven't heard any of the ltd ed records, pity me!) kicks ass and is the best of his three wide-release (har har) post RTX albs. Though lately, I've been getting into the first one again. "Creature Catcher" is wonderful.

Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I attended Neil Hagerty's court hearing in Denver this morning. Not much info, but a few updates:

- Neil was not present, but his wife+lawyers were
- His attorneys say he is still not in a state to be advised/testify
- Neil is still in custody
- Preliminary trial is set for 5/8

— Aaron Dooley (@Aye_Doolz) April 27, 2023

tylerw, Thursday, 27 April 2023 16:50 (eleven months ago) link

Oh man, that's hard to hear

morrisp.fandom.com (morrisp), Thursday, 27 April 2023 16:59 (eleven months ago) link

:(

welp, this sucks on the NMH front. pic.twitter.com/DSSqg5c3tB

— QueenCityJamz (@QueenCityJamz) May 4, 2023

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 4 May 2023 17:02 (eleven months ago) link

Damn, that sucks. Hoping they get a new one up soon that focuses on the mental health help, guessing this is a result of the issue with not being able to raise funds for legal defense of a "violent" crime.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 4 May 2023 17:10 (eleven months ago) link

Shit yeah just saw that in my inbox as well

omar little, Thursday, 4 May 2023 17:13 (eleven months ago) link

New donation link: https://www.givesendgo.com/NeilHagerty

Additionally, Jennifer Herrema; Neil’s Royal Trux partner and family friend, has donated a free download of an audio track that combines 4 years of singular audio tracks Neil has posted to his Patreon subscribers. The combined tracks highlight Neil’s creativity while illuminating his disconnected mental state.

Are You There God? It's a-Me, Mario (morrisp), Friday, 5 May 2023 15:51 (eleven months ago) link

(I haven’t seen my GoFundMe donation refunded yet…)

Are You There God? It's a-Me, Mario (morrisp), Friday, 5 May 2023 15:56 (eleven months ago) link

FYI, I reached out to GoFundMe to ask about it; somewhat strangely, the chat agent asked me to confirm I wanted to refund my donation ("Keep in mind that if we issue a refund, this can not be reversed"). I said yes (so I can donate to the new fund)... not sure why some are being automatically refunded and not others.

Are You There God? It's a-Me, Mario (morrisp), Friday, 5 May 2023 16:36 (eleven months ago) link

some went through before it got pulled, apparently

Perverted By Linguiça (sleeve), Friday, 5 May 2023 17:16 (eleven months ago) link

from jennifer herrema on fbook

We want to thank everyone who donated to the GoFundMe for Neil. Unfortunately, the campaign has been removed by GoFundMe due to their term of service that prohibits raising funds for legal defense of certain ALLEGED crimes. The funds that were not transferred prior to the campaign being canceled will be reimbursed to those individuals. I want to thank everyone who donated and if you received a refund I want to apologize for the inconvenience. We are starting a new campaign with GiveSendGo to continue to raise money for Neil’s care. This is an extremely complicated case and raises many questions that will be addressed by the lawyers once Neil is safely at the hospital. We will keep you posted as much as we can but please understand that we are not at liberty to speak openly about the case.
THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY FOR SUPPORTING & BELIEVING IN NEIL
Love & Kindness - T & JJ

tylerw, Friday, 5 May 2023 17:18 (eleven months ago) link

(so i guess if you didn't get a refund, your money made it to Neil and his wife)

tylerw, Friday, 5 May 2023 17:18 (eleven months ago) link

Oh nuts... well ok, I'll make up for it with the new fund.

Are You There God? It's a-Me, Mario (morrisp), Friday, 5 May 2023 17:23 (eleven months ago) link

one month passes...

Update & Message from Neil

Hello to all of you and I thank you for supporting us in this difficult time. I can't comment on the situation itself now, except to say: I have been kept strong by this uncommon outpouring of charity and concern. I don't know how long it will take to see this through but I do hope to be able to thank all of you individually & personally some day.

Thanks-- from my heart-- and please keep those kind and good thoughts headed our way.
In gratitude, Neil

Mike Dixn, Friday, 30 June 2023 05:37 (nine months ago) link

six months pass...

FYI, a substantial update was posted today. Sounds like Neil is doing well, and is hopeful that his legal situation will be resolved positively next year.

In my Ram’s Horn era (morrisp), Saturday, 30 December 2023 19:21 (three months ago) link

Does seem like things are going in a (relatively) positive direction — hope it continues.

tylerw, Saturday, 30 December 2023 20:15 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

New label for an “extensive reissue series” (beginning w/Twin Infinitives)

atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Thursday, 8 February 2024 15:52 (two months ago) link

Huh. Fingers crossed, but wasn't Fat Possum allegedly going to do the same reissue campaign back in 2018? Or was that deal just for digital/streaming of the back catalog?

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 8 February 2024 16:02 (two months ago) link

Dud! But, also, get well soon!

scott seward, Thursday, 8 February 2024 16:13 (two months ago) link

xp Yeah, maybe that was just for streaming? In true Trux fashion, it all seems a little scattered (and not sure what they gained by "leaving" Drag City)...

atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Thursday, 8 February 2024 16:42 (two months ago) link

I guess maybe DC wasn't streaming yet when they left

atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Thursday, 8 February 2024 16:42 (two months ago) link

I have never heard of this label...

(to be fair, I'm pretty disconnected from the label scene)

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 8 February 2024 16:56 (two months ago) link

They've been around a fair old time tbh. Lately they've been reissuing Lemonheads' stuff. https://www.discogs.com/label/2051-Fire-Records

impostor syndrome to the (expletive) max (stevie), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:00 (two months ago) link

yeah that's Spacemen 3's old label (post-Glass) from the 80s

Surfin' burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (sleeve), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:01 (two months ago) link

I've mostly known them for putting out Bardo Pond stuff and, more recently, Vanishing Twin.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:01 (two months ago) link

they also recently did those killer Bardo Pond "covers" EPs

lol xp

Surfin' burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (sleeve), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:01 (two months ago) link

wasn't Fat Possum allegedly going to do the same reissue campaign back in 2018?

They did, putting out the albums on vinyl.

Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:22 (two months ago) link

Did they end up doing all of them? I don't remember seeing them all come out, though I didn't look that hard since I have everything on CD anyway.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:24 (two months ago) link

Discogs says all but the Virgin albums.

Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:25 (two months ago) link

Meant to say wikipedia not discogs there... and that seems to be wrong.
Looks like they only reissued a few of the albums?

Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:33 (two months ago) link

xps: Discogs tells me I own 6 releases on Fire lol

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 8 February 2024 17:43 (two months ago) link

Thank You will always be one of my favorite albums of the nineties. So fricking good. They were a lot of fun.

timellison, Thursday, 8 February 2024 18:41 (two months ago) link

Had forgotten David Briggs produced Thank You until I put on my old CD just now - still sounds gd to me.

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 8 February 2024 19:28 (two months ago) link

Hoping this Fire reissues project will include a vinyl issue of Sweet Sixteen.

impostor syndrome to the (expletive) max (stevie), Thursday, 8 February 2024 20:08 (two months ago) link

Interestingly, the release on Fire's website says "career spanning"

The duo who refused to comply with the rules on and off stage, leaving an incomparable legacy to admire in their wake, Royal Trux announce a career spanning catalogue deal with Fire Records.

https://www.firerecords.com/royal-trux-sign-to-fire-and-announce-extensive-reissue-series-beginning-with-twin-infinitives/

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 8 February 2024 20:16 (two months ago) link

lol they aren't even doing the first album!

Surfin' burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (sleeve), Thursday, 8 February 2024 20:20 (two months ago) link

Well it does say “comprehensive reissue series”… maybe they plan to circle back?

atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Thursday, 8 February 2024 20:22 (two months ago) link

I'll be impressed if they actually do get the Virgin albums tho. To Kim's point upthread, not even Fat Possum got to those.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 8 February 2024 20:26 (two months ago) link

Yeah Fire's been around for decades. Kinda chug along but they do good work, and that includes reissue series -- did a huge set of Giant Sand stuff years back.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 February 2024 20:27 (two months ago) link

Small print at the bottom of that link:

Reawakening their prolific output within a new monochrome vinyl series covering 1988-1993, they begin with their seminal deconstructed rock masterpiece Twin Infinitives.

Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 8 February 2024 20:32 (two months ago) link

Ah, yeah, there you go. Assuming then the "career spanning" part is that they own the streaming rights now, which would include Virgin (and presumably the Fat Possum albums).

I mean, a fitting mess for this band tbh.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 8 February 2024 20:34 (two months ago) link

Huh... at least "1988" seems to confirm that LP1 will eventually be included.

atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Thursday, 8 February 2024 21:19 (two months ago) link

haha this wouldn't be proper RT news without confusing all of us

Surfin' burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb (sleeve), Thursday, 8 February 2024 21:28 (two months ago) link

I saw what I think was a showcase show for them in LA when they got signed. Neil and Jennifer were touring as a duo at the time, but that show had the full band with Dan Brown, the two drummers, and maybe some rented amps? It was definitely different gear than what I'd seen in San Diego. That band was great!

timellison, Friday, 9 February 2024 03:00 (two months ago) link

Hey, it's the debut after all!

atmospheric river phoenix (morrisp), Thursday, 15 February 2024 23:03 (two months ago) link

Fat Possum only managed to reissue Accelerator, Cats and Dogs and a cassette of Twin Infinitives.
At the time the deal was announced, it also included the new Royal Trux album, White Stuff, as well as the back catalogs and new releases from Black Bananas and The Howling Hex. My assumption is that after Neil left the band, tour cancelled, etc. the label soon lost interest. The Howling Hex Fastball Express album they had announced is still digital-only, and nothing else ever came out.
It's been five years, so the contract must have expired and this other label is going to hopefully do it right.
I like White Stuff, but mostly for the thrill of hearing them sing together again. Now I can tell that it's kind of a rush job/ incomplete record.
I wouldn't mind if they try to get back together again, assuming everyone is healthy.

Mike Dixn, Sunday, 18 February 2024 19:18 (two months ago) link

Ahh, thanks for the clarification about what Fat Possum did reissue, I know it never seemed like all that much. That scenario feels pretty likely, let’s hope Fire does it right. Based on what I’ve gotten from them, it seems likely.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 18 February 2024 20:51 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

March 2024 Update

I was informed Thursday, March 14, 2024, that all the charges against me were dismissed. I want to thank you all for the part you played in this outcome. I'll try writing again once this news sinks in a little bit.

PeAcE & LoVe - Neil Hagerty

Hippie Ernie (morrisp), Monday, 18 March 2024 04:18 (one month ago) link

Quotes by Neil’s attorney: https://www.denverpost.com/2024/03/18/neil-hagerty-royal-trux-charges-dropped-police-denver/

Hippie Ernie (morrisp), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 14:32 (four weeks ago) link

just about as good an outcome as you could hope for, I think

tylerw, Tuesday, 19 March 2024 15:18 (four weeks ago) link

Yeah, sounds like a pretty good outcome. Hopefully the treatment he received will be a boon in general, not just wrt this case.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 16:31 (four weeks ago) link


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