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Hip-hop is no longer cooler than me
It's a sad day when a farm boy from Iowa can say that about a musical genre he once loved. When will the awful dance crazes end?
By Paul Kix

May. 12, 2008 | I must have been 8 when I heard N.W.A.'s "Fuck tha Police." That seems about right, because us Iowa farm kids heard everything of cultural significance a year or two after it was important, and I remember being in third grade (this was 1989) when my life changed for the better. I was on the bus, with an older fat kid everyone called Speed sitting the row in front of me. Speed and I had a special bond: We were perhaps the only kids in central Iowa to love rap. "Listen to this," he said, discreetly sliding me his cassette player and mix tape. It wasn't just the swear words, though at first that was a big part of N.W.A.'s appeal. It was Ice Cube's anger, and Eazy-E's bemused inventiveness, and Dr. Dre's beats. As I grew up, N.W.A. led me to Snoop Dogg's "Doggystyle," which led to the oeuvre of Biggie, and the life and times of one Shawn Carter. But what I loved about hip-hop -- what I still love about it -- is its brashness. The uncouth bravura of Wildean M.C.s is intoxicating.

This brings us, inevitably, to the problem with hip-hop today. A genre whirled out of the grist of urban pain and worn as a low-slung hat and baggy jeans has somehow slipped on clown shoes and taken up night classes in pantomime. Its dances are silly, its beats infantile, its rhymes lazy. I am sorry to report this, but hip-hop is no longer cooler than me. I've known it to be true for some time but dared not acknowledged it -- until I saw Bo Ryan do the "Soulja Boy." Bo Ryan is the men's basketball coach at the University of Wisconsin. He is old, he's white, and he should have nothing to do with pop-cultural relevance. And yet there he is, online, dancing the Soulja Boy, an ongoing craze among young aficionados based on the song "(Crank Dat) Soulja Boy" by an artist of the same name. Soulja Boy's Internet sales of his 2007 self-titled album have exceeded 3.3 million copies, the most ever on the Web.

The problem isn't that Ryan fails inexorably in his attempt at the Soulja Boy. It's that he nails it. The slight bend of the knees and cross step, the rednecky hop and flip of the wrist, the goofy Superman in flight -- it's all, alas, straight-up Soulja Boy. In fact, if you compare Ryan's rendition with the original, you, too, might find yourself preferring the subtlety of Ryan's moves. (His cross steps aren't as aggrandized, for one.) Are these not trying days when a 60-year-old Wisconsinite improves "the game," when even Democratic presidential candidate Mike Gravel tries his hand at the Soulja Boy?

We are witnessing nothing less than the Macarena-zation of a genre. Because of Soulja Boy's success, industry execs now demand that new artists have dances at the ready to accompany their albums. The dances help drive up sales, that fast-disappearing commodity. And so the airwaves and Interwebs are still filthy with song-and-dance numbers, like Pop It Off Boyz' "Crank Dat Batman" and last year's "Chicken Noodle Soup" song, which accomplishes the impossible by being dumber than it sounds but remains great fun for 50-year-olds in middle management.

Hip-hop hasn't always had the most discerning taste; witness the electric slide and M.C. Hammer. But the music's coolness used to be matched by the culture it inspired: break dancers working to DJ Grandmaster Flash; horny kids grinding to 'Pac and Dre; poor kids krumping as a way out, every move informed by the street and its music. The problem today is that the newest dances are informed by nothing more than their potential profit margins. And in that grab for accessibility, the songs lose their credibility.

Or at least that's one popular theory. But I think this theory is ludicrous. Hip-hop has sought commercial viability since the mid-'90s. Jay-Z has built an entire career out of finding listeners like me, and you'd be hard-pressed to say his music suffers because of his pandering. I think, instead, today's young M.C.s are given too much credit, as if they're choosing to dumb it down. The problem with the dances of hip-hop -- and with the genre as a whole -- is that these artists are in fact choosing to do what they're capable of. This is their best, people. And I say that because the only thing more insipid than the dances are the songs themselves.

It's an amorphous thing, to chronicle hip-hop's decline, but I trace its genesis to the sound every fan loved: Atlanta at the turn of the century, repelling what New York and Los Angeles did, finding its own way with krunked-out beats and slurred lyrics. Atlanta (Outkast and Ludacris mostly) begat the Cash Money Millionaires of New Orleans (think Juvenile and "Back That Ass Up." The music then evolved, except that T.I. and his ilk in Atlanta and Lil Wayne and his in N'Awlins were neither as clever with the rhymes as Ludacris nor as adept in the production as Outkast. A sound that was already simpler than what Dre out west or Puffy out east would have allowed became lazy, less crisp, and the lyrics were all that much harder to decipher, hiding behind drawls and weighed down by bling. Then the music shifted again in, roughly, 2006. Things got so dire that Nas, one of the great New York rappers, released an album called "Hip-Hop Is Dead." The new sound's beats were as simple as the rhymes were unnecessary. And into this void, exemplifying it, stepped Soulja Boy. His hit is a three-note wonder seemingly played on a xylophone. Now, Dr. Dre used to spend up to 100 hours perfecting a beat. Soulja Boy? He sees what's hot at the nearest elementary school and calls it his own.

In his defense, Soulja Boy operates in the "snap music" subgenre of hip-hop, which will never be accused of musical complexity. Snap music is big because radio stations tired of the sluggish tempos coming out of Houston last year. (A shame. I love the Houston stuff.) The difference here is that the Houston guys -- Slim Thug, Paul Wall, Mike Jones et al. -- could rap; the near stasis of the backdrop only brightened the glare of the M.C.'s spotlight. Here's Paul Wall, from his 2005 hit, "Grillz," an ode to the diamond or gold mouthpieces rappers love(d) to wear: "I got da wrist wear and neck wear dats captivatin'/ but it's my smile dat's got these onlookers spectatin'/ My mouth piece simply certified a total package/ Open up my mouth and you see mo carrots than a salad/ My teeth are mind blowin, givin everybody chillz/ Call me George Foreman cuz I'm selling everybody grillz."

Now that's funny. It just is. And it's an example of hip-hop going light but not going easy on the lyrics. That took Paul Wall some time to think up. By contrast, here is "(Crank Dat) Soulja Boy": "I'm bouncin' on my toe/ watch me take to Areab/ And he gonna take it up for sho/ Haterz want to be me/ Soulja Boy, I'm the man/ They be looking at my neck/ Sayin' is them rubber bands man?" No. 1: He's not trying to be funny. It just sounds that way. No. 2, and this is kind of obvious: He's not really trying at all. I mean, listen to the song and it actually sounds like he's a first-time freestyler, the rhythm is so off. It's as if even he can't wait to get back to the chorus. And the chorus! My God, the chorus. "Superman dat ho" is a sexual euphemism that's not really all that illicit, as most sexual euphemisms go. It's just ... infantile.

The most depressing part is that Soulja Boy is not alone in lacking creativity. Webbie, Lil' Phat and Lil Boosie sometimes don't know what else to say, so they literally start spelling words. Lil Wayne, under the influence of a talk box, has made a hit out of saying "lollypop" over and over. And Fat Joe's latest, "I Won't Tell," succeeds only because J. Holiday has a good voice -- which is still better than Fat Joe's 2004 hit "Lean Back," a dance song for people who don't dance, who just, you guessed it, lean back. These three tracks -- Webbie's, Lil Wayne's and Fat Joe's -- currently reside on Billboard's Top 50 hip-hop list, and Lil Wayne's song is No. 1.

Look, I'm not confused or annoyed by hip-hop, like older rock fans are by, say, Fall Out Boy. More than anything I'm embarrassed. Since when did young black men, heretofore the arbiters of pop culture, become so lame? And since when did the citizens of that culture not know the difference? One Saturday not long ago, my wife called me into the living room. MTV had on some dance competition show, and an earnest group from Philly did the Soulja Boy. My wife and I watched, stunned, as the crowd and apparently all of America cheered on the group's shuffles. Iterations were involved, but it was a largely faithful piece. The kids in the crowd had to be quieted. I wish I could have been there, a cassette player and a 20-year-old mix tape in my clenched fist. I would have handed it over to any kid who looked like he needed it, much as Speed once passed it to me. And I would have said, simply, "Here. Let this guide you."

-- By Paul Kix

About the writer

Paul Kix is a senior editor at Boston magazine. His writing has also appeared in the Chicago Tribune and ESPN the Magazine.

Alex in SF, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

rghrhgrhgrhrgrggh

and what, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:41 (nine years ago) Permalink

The most depressing part is that Soulja Boy is not alone in lacking creativity. Webbie, Lil' Phat and Lil Boosie sometimes don't know what else to say, so they literally start spelling words.

gff, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:41 (nine years ago) Permalink

Now that's funny. It just is. And it's an example of hip-hop going light but not going easy on the lyrics. That took Paul Wall some time to think up. By contrast, here is "(Crank Dat) Soulja Boy"

chinchillas they can fit on gorillas, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

Apparently it's all Atlanta's fault.

Alex in SF, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

Or maybe New Orleans.

Alex in SF, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:43 (nine years ago) Permalink

Funny, no mention of drumming for Gay Dad.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:44 (nine years ago) Permalink

Hip-hop hasn't always had the most discerning taste; witness the electric slide and M.C. Hammer.

fuck this guy

HI DERE, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:44 (nine years ago) Permalink

OH NOES KIDS R DANCING HIP-HOP IS DEAD

"Atlanta (Outkast and Ludacris mostly) begat the Cash Money Millionaires of New Orleans (think Juvenile and Back That Ass Up."

paul wall as an example of real lyricism contrasted with lil boosie fat joe and lil wayne

"when did young black men become so lame?"

and what, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:44 (nine years ago) Permalink

Noodle Vague, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:45 (nine years ago) Permalink

Paulie K on a battle between Hispanics and Conservatives: http://www.thefire.org/index.php/article/5445.html?PHPSESSID=df55ab563cdf7cecdaa82a029f2f45a2

Dom Passantino, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:45 (nine years ago) Permalink

Paul Kix is a senior editor at Boston magazine.

This is the direct functional equivalent of "so-and-so was the drummer for Gay Dad."

HI DERE, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

old white people who listened to rap in college complaining that rap isnt cool anymore because it can be enjoyed by old white people

and what, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

I think soulja boy is boring, too, but I still want to punch this guy in the head a lot.

> "The uncouth bravura of Wildean M.C.s is intoxicating."

proof that he is NOT cooler than hiphop, even Soulja Boy.

Oilyrags, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:47 (nine years ago) Permalink

heretofore the arbiters of pop culture

El Tomboto, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:47 (nine years ago) Permalink

The electric slide is hip-hop?

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 12 May 2008 20:48 (nine years ago) Permalink

Fuck you all, I'm STILL the arbiter of pop culture.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to see The Cure.

HI DERE, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:48 (nine years ago) Permalink

http://www.bostonmagazine.com/EDITORIAL/Bios_Boston


"Here. Let this guide you."

and what, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:48 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Dear Farmboy turned Boston Magazine Editor. There are these entities called independant record labels. Some of them put out Hip Hop with good lyrics and catchy beats. See Rhymesayers, Weightless and Def Jux for starters."

Alex in SF, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:48 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Of course, similar arguments could be made about all the popular music of this era... But somehow the degradation of hip=hop seems much sadder. Well, we still have The Beastie Boys..."

Alex in SF, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:49 (nine years ago) Permalink

i usually find threads like this to be really pointless and redundant but this is fucking awful

J0rdan S., Monday, 12 May 2008 20:49 (nine years ago) Permalink

PS - if more American's danced, maybe we'd spend less time at war. And we'd be in better shape. Think about that!

and what, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:49 (nine years ago) Permalink

^keeping it positive

and what, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

Before I leave, an excerpt from the comments (emphasis mine):

The theory goes that sometime in the late nineties or early 2000s, record executives started pushing up and coming talent to back off of more topical issues (like say, fucking tha' police), to make the albums more sellable to the rest of the population.

o_0

HI DERE, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

this is like 1958---1967 in reverse, or something

deeznuts, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

A poster above referred to Matt Taibbi's piece on this subject in Rolling Stone, and I agree with Taibbi's assessment 100%. Modern "Pop" rap and hip-hop is a minstrel show: white music executives hawking a nasty, debased parody of black culture to white kids in the burbs.

and what, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:51 (nine years ago) Permalink

by which i mean it looks like exactly the same old day the music died bullshit except flipped if that makes sense

deeznuts, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Hip Hop died in the '90s. The last real hip-hop record was the first Wu Tang record. Everything else is just bullshit - including Jay-Z, Biggie Smalls and everything that Nas has done since Illmatic. And anything that's not from New York doesn't count - because it's not hip-hop anyway. It's just rap."

Alex in SF, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

ha i suspected him of BSing about being a farm kid from IA, but hubbard IS fkn tiny

gff, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

Hey Pipecock posted a letter:

"I agree with you for the most part. Though I'd chart hip hop's demise to Puffy in 97 with his insipid "Every Breath you Take." The rhymes he and Mase put over that wildly popular track set the bar lower than ever before. Next, comes Master P, who finsihed off what Puffy started and truly retardidized hip hop.

We must remember that just before this, in 95-96, the Pharcyde, Tribe, and De La Soul all released phenomanal albums (all sharing the same prodcuer, JD, for many of their best tracks.) I consider that a high water mark."

Alex in SF, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

we still haven't mentioned his assertion that ludacris "begat" cash money

J0rdan S., Monday, 12 May 2008 20:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

Forth from his loins

Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

we still haven't mentioned his assertion that ludacris "begat" cash money

-- J0rdan S., Monday, May 12, 2008 4:55 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

OH NOES KIDS R DANCING HIP-HOP IS DEAD

"Atlanta (Outkast and Ludacris mostly) begat the Cash Money Millionaires of New Orleans (think Juvenile and Back That Ass Up."

paul wall as an example of real lyricism contrasted with lil boosie fat joe and lil wayne

"when did young black men become so lame?"

-- and what, Monday, May 12, 2008 4:44 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

and what, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

actually i just remembered the most appropriate response to this nonsense

J0rdan S., Monday, 12 May 2008 20:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

Hip-hop is no longer cooler than me
It's a sad day when a farm boy from Iowa can say that about a musical genre he once loved. When will the YAHH TRICK YAHHHHHHHHHHHH!

J0rdan S., Monday, 12 May 2008 20:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

Soulja Boy? He sees what's hot at the nearest elementary school and calls it his own.

this is whole thing is a giant FAIL and redundant etc but this is just a basic lack of understanding/grasp of the situation/stupid white old guy bullshit

chinchillas they can fit on gorillas, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

Thanks, Soulja Boy!

J0rdan S., Monday, 12 May 2008 20:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

also a song's worth is based on how long it takes to make

chinchillas they can fit on gorillas, Monday, 12 May 2008 20:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

if only DJ Shadow hadn't hung himself

El Tomboto, Monday, 12 May 2008 21:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

"The problem with the dances of hip-hop -- and with the genre as a whole -- is that these artists are in fact choosing to do what they're capable of. This is their best, people."

A long, long time ago...
I can still remember
How that music used to make me smile.
And I knew if I had my chance
That I could make those people dance
And, maybe, theyd be happy for a while.

deeznuts, Monday, 12 May 2008 21:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

my bad ethan

point being, his opinions are fucking stupid and pretty CHALLENGING but not really all that uncommon, it's that he's basing those opinions on incorrectness assumptions of "fact" that is most infuriating

J0rdan S., Monday, 12 May 2008 21:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

he should have read wikipedia

J0rdan S., Monday, 12 May 2008 21:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

J0rdan getting angry about this is pretty silly.

Alex in SF, Monday, 12 May 2008 21:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

i'm not actually mad at this dude or this article just that these people exist in general

J0rdan S., Monday, 12 May 2008 21:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

lol @ at these people in general

Jordan, Monday, 12 May 2008 21:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

Paul Kix is an associate editor at D Magazine. He grew up on a farm in Iowa, graduated from Iowa State University, interned at ESPN the Magazine, and spent a year in Phoenix and a year and a half at the Dallas Observer, where he was a staff writer. He has in his office a remote-controlled Cadillac Escalade. It has spinners.

gff, Monday, 12 May 2008 21:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

hey did he mention if he was a white dude from the midwest or not

J0rdan S., Monday, 12 May 2008 21:13 (nine years ago) Permalink

he grew up in the ghetto in los angeles, & has in his office a remote-controlled john deer combine. it is equipped to harvest corn.

deeznuts, Monday, 12 May 2008 21:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

Young black men, arbiters of pop culture, raise your chains and fight!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 12 May 2008 21:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

70% of rap/hip-hop sales are to white folks

98% of ilx comments on rap/hip-hop are made by white folks

mtv is mostly owned by white folks

nicky lo-fi, Monday, 12 May 2008 21:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

white people are people too

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 12 May 2008 21:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

i like wu-tang better than soulja boy

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 12 May 2008 21:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

J0rdan S., Monday, 12 May 2008 21:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

i like wu-tang better than soulja boy is a popular new dance, I believe

chinchillas they can fit on gorillas, Monday, 12 May 2008 22:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

crank dat i like wu-tang better than soulja boy

max, Monday, 12 May 2008 22:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

Oh ffs, this is apparently now an Internet Talking Point:

http://blog.wired.com/music/2008/05/is-hip-hop-over.html

Dom Passantino, Monday, 12 May 2008 22:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Easy-E's bemused inventiveness"?, "the oeuvre of Biggie"?
Could you be more annoying?

-- maxban
[Read maxban's other letters]Permalink Monday, May 12, 2008 05:34 AM

Billy Pilgrim, Monday, 12 May 2008 22:13 (nine years ago) Permalink

something about the poll at the bottom of that article is hilarious.

xpost

horseshoe, Monday, 12 May 2008 22:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

i'm v curious about the comments but i have a strict lol fuck salon policy

gff, Monday, 12 May 2008 22:15 (nine years ago) Permalink

Yay! Death to Hip Hop!

Posted by: Neil | May 12, 2008 2:27:25 PM

Bodrick III, Monday, 12 May 2008 22:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

white people are people too

only white working-class men in swing states, silly.

marc h., Monday, 12 May 2008 22:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

his opinions are fucking stupid and pretty CHALLENGING but not really all that uncommon, it's that he's basing those opinions on incorrectness assumptions of "fact" that is most infuriating

-- J0rdan S., Monday, 12 May 2008 21:02 (1 hour ago) Link

Dude weren't we just saying this about our own opinions the other night

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 12 May 2008 22:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

at the super jackoff sesh

and what, Monday, 12 May 2008 22:56 (nine years ago) Permalink

Just saying that being pathologically certain of the accuracy of your aesthetic judgments seems to be a job prerequisite for lots of critics.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 12 May 2008 23:00 (nine years ago) Permalink

can i chall-ops myself

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 12 May 2008 23:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

Let's get back to deriding this clown

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 12 May 2008 23:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

crank dat i like wu-tang better than soulja boy

-- max, Monday, May 12, 2008 10:06 PM (55 minutes ago)

wuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 12 May 2008 23:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

why do lameos like wu tang

kl0pper, Monday, 12 May 2008 23:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

Maybe Paul Kix could move to the UK and moan about dance music like all the boring, wrong pricks here have for the last twenty years.

Bodrick III, Monday, 12 May 2008 23:15 (nine years ago) Permalink

Change of pace, y'know?

Bodrick III, Monday, 12 May 2008 23:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

he grew up in the ghetto in los angeles, & has in his office a remote-controlled john deer combine. it is equipped to harvest corn.

-- deeznuts, Monday, May 12, 2008 4:16 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

major lols

deej, Monday, 12 May 2008 23:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Its dances are silly, its beats infantile, its rhymes lazy"

It was always like that. A disgrace to the genius of black culture. Compare its best to anything by Gil Scott Heron and the Last Poets, its chief inspirations. And that's the 70s, not a great decade for anybody's art. Go farther back, say to the second Miles Davis Quintet, John Coltrane or Ornette Coleman, and you'll really feel sad. Want decent rhymes? There are generations of great black writers and poets. For great songwriting, check out the R&B movement of the 40s.

lol stanley crouch

The Reverend, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 03:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

anyone who still reads salon deserves this shithead

gershy, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 03:11 (nine years ago) Permalink

I am sorry to report this, but hip-hop is no longer cooler than me.

This guy sounds like he's been waiting to "report this" all his life

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 03:19 (nine years ago) Permalink

haaaa

and ya

what people said about... SALON.

s1ocki, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 03:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

Please let me be as cool as hip hop, please let me be as cool as hip hop, please let me be as cool as hip-hop... YES!!!

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 03:23 (nine years ago) Permalink

And that's the 70s, not a great decade for anybody's art.

So much RONG.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 09:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

I mean, all over this article and everything else cited here, too.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 09:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

Hispanics/Conservatives fite article is OK.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 09:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

Funny that most/all of the letters that rate "editor's choice" or whatever are dissing the article.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 09:48 (nine years ago) Permalink

hahaha there but for the grace of god

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 11:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

I don't know the moron who wrote this article to care about his opinions, but I know a lot of y'all well enough to be kind of disappointed that you can still entertain yourselves with threads about articles like this every 6 months.

Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 12:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

are we grounded?

s1ocki, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 13:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

anyone who's doomed to willingly repeat the same thread this many times doesn't need further punishment.

Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 13:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

i cant be arsed to read all of that article - seems so predictable but cant say i disagree that most new hip hop leaves me cold/bored. i like crank dat, low, etc etc as much as the next man but not in the same way i might have liked what was coming out say, a decade ago. or even as much as i liked saltshaker, get low etc.

titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 13:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

This thread could be my new Macarena-zation fantasy.

briania, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 13:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

this reads like one of those fake columns they do at the onion

J.D., Tuesday, 13 May 2008 14:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

otm

Bodrick III, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 14:44 (nine years ago) Permalink

lol stanley crouch

No way. Crouch undoubtedly considers the R&B songwriters of the 40s to be hopeless sellouts.

Sara Sara Sara, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 14:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgMgLjMghuk

fantasimundo, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 14:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

Most of what he criticizes "Crank That" for could equally apply to "Rapper's Delight."

jaymc, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 14:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

Do you notice any similarities between ILMers getting worked up about people criticizing rap and right wingers getting hot and bothered over gay marriage? They're both equally predictable.

kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 15:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

You must create some interesting slashfic.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 15:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

it's funny how humans are!!!!

s1ocki, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 16:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

s1ocki i love your voice-of-reason zings but you're kinda going overkill with them lately :(

Alex in Baltimore, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 16:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

s1ocki no longer cool sez white dude on ILXOR.com

s1ocki, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 16:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

Don't worry guys, Sage Francis and Scroobius Pip are gonna make hip-hop relevant again.

Bodrick III, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 16:45 (nine years ago) Permalink

The article is very boring and stupid and tl:dr. It's a shame it's a "talking point on the internet", because that probably makes it successful for the people who commission pieces on salon.com, and they'll likely want to put up more work in a similar vein. Sometimes I think the best thing to do w/such pieces would be to totally ignore them.

Pashmina, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 16:48 (nine years ago) Permalink


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