"if you take away its signifying back beat what are you left with ?"
same with dubstep and bass. i mean, ok, its proven you can do that. but why would you want to? most of these scenes are best when there is some uniform element to them with a degree of elasticity to it. obv that means you just have to love that one uniform element a LOT, but once those things go, they lose identity. dubstep included.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 18:09 (fourteen years ago) link
rennavate, sorry i guess it's not exactly available just yet... i'm getting it sorted right now will get back to you.
and now we have a problem with the cover for the official album (small on the back of the EP): peeps and artists in SA hate it. they say it's a photo of a ghetto street with garbage n shit, while what they like is the bling... but no wetern electronic music lover is going to buy something with cheesy people in haute couture looking slick on the cover with gothic type... oh boy.
― zoom, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 19:43 (fourteen years ago) link
did that ill blu aaliyah remix ever get released officially/unofficially? only have it on an old marcus set. would love to have it on its own.
it's in the You, Tim, 2009 thread.
― zvookster, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link
Does anyone want to mention how cheap and awful these songs sound when the producer has his name repeated over and over? Roska, Ill Blu, take your lashings!
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 20:16 (fourteen years ago) link
Ha, I think that's precisely backwards actually. I love the producer signatures.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:00 (fourteen years ago) link
I find it to be really cheap and tacky. If your music is good enough, you don't need to chat your name all over it for people to know who did it. Let's hope Burial does some shout-outs on his next album then eh?
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:04 (fourteen years ago) link
Yes the most important issue here is whether Burial gets inspired i guess. ;-)
Anyway the whole point of these signature tags is the way in which they're positioned, usually at the beginning of the first drop (particularly Ill Blu and Funkystepz, less so Roska but usually him as well) to let you know big things are about to happen.
It's the pleasure of its combination of expectation and shock, like unwrapping a birthday present.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link
Hmm, i see it more as an ego driven attempt to promote through name recognition, but we disagree. I still like the tunes, but i'd never use them in a mix. You definitely can't play 2 Roska tracks in the same mix without it sounding stupid. Do you need those name drops to let you know big things are about to happen? How did dancefloors ever survive without the name of the producer being shouted over the first big breakdown?
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:14 (fourteen years ago) link
No but no tune "needs" anything. It's a fun trick - and given these guys receive almost zero hype/publicity elsewhere I hardly think you can begrudge the "ego" this displays.
You definitely can't play 2 Roska tracks in the same mix without it sounding stupid.
Funky DJs do this all the time and it doesn't sound stupid; if you're worried that people will think that you only play Roska tunes the answer is you should invest in more funky tunes obv!
― Tim F, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link
"Shabba!"
― pshrbrn, Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:49 (fourteen years ago) link
how are people still surprised/discomfited by producer signatures after so many years of THE-AMERICAN-DREAM or FRIKKI-FRIKKI timbalandisms or WAITAMINUTEMUHFUCKA polowisms &c &c &c - i wish we had even more of them in funky tbh, everyone should have one. it is one's imprimatur
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Tuesday, 26 January 2010 23:59 (fourteen years ago) link
Also the Ill Blu and Funkystepz signatures tell you everything you need to know about their sounds in microcosm (ominous robot warning and chipmunk goblin chortle respectively).
― Tim F, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 01:07 (fourteen years ago) link
I love producer signatures. Agreed with Lex, they should be embraced not dismissed.
― rennavate, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 01:23 (fourteen years ago) link
been loving this ravey number recently;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmM63wpzdXI
― david cam'ron (tpp), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 02:40 (fourteen years ago) link
my fav producer stamp is still cooly g's - which like ill blu et al's is a perfect summation of her vibe. "mwah mwah mwah, yeah it's cooly g!"
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 07:59 (fourteen years ago) link
producer stamps are so hooky too! it's kind of part & parcel to tons of great songs i think. i mean... the best part of "i luv your girl" is "mmhmmm... the american dream/ mmmhmmm... do you know what i mean? mmhmmm". whenever i think "ew" now i hear it in the way that robot voice shouts "ill!" in ill blu songs
― waka shame (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 08:15 (fourteen years ago) link
i dont mind producer sigs but some producers could come up with slightly better ones. the roska ones ok, though i always think its kano saying roskas name for some reason. i prefer sigs that are a bit weirder though and dont just shout out the producers name, like terror danjahs cackle, or.... i dunno, im drawing a blank. anythings better than producers talking on their own records though.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 09:15 (fourteen years ago) link
i do like the ill blu one though.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 09:54 (fourteen years ago) link
ms dynamite looking gorgeous in her new video...great track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKB3hJBvAZY
donae'o's "riot music" has a video too!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QA7YesI5Ws
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 10:12 (fourteen years ago) link
nothing to do with funky per se but yeah Wile Out is hot. finally a big crossover tune i can get behind (after the decent but rather embarrassing attempts of wearing my rolex, etc). top of both dance and pop charts soon? IMO it should be...
and Ayobaness! EP will be available after tuesday of next week... my bad.
― zoom, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 11:03 (fourteen years ago) link
dont really like the chorus of the wile out tune. ms dynamite is great but she isnt quite as good as she used to be. why wile out has a video but get low doesnt though is odd. are they waiting for a big label deal for that one or something?
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 11:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Thoughts on Devine Collective:
http://getphysical.blogspot.com/2010/01/im-not-trying-to-be-legislative-when-i.html
― Tim F, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 12:59 (fourteen years ago) link
the worst tag ever is that grime mc who shouted ITS THE MERKLE MAN
― not a playa but i ilx a lot (deej), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 13:01 (fourteen years ago) link
no. and that wasnt a tag. that was a verse.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 13:07 (fourteen years ago) link
one of the best in fact.
tim, how do you go back on your blog? i wanted to read some of the earlier entries but cant seem to find the link.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 13:38 (fourteen years ago) link
ever tried googling tim finney?
http://evangelicaltextualcriticism.blogspot.com/2009/08/tim-finney-on-analysis-of-textual.html
― Jon B (bass), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 13:53 (fourteen years ago) link
That guy is weirdly like me transposed to Biblical rather than funky obsession, he's even in Australia I think (though on the west coast not east).
New Larizzle mix is good, nice to finally get some names to some of those ace Lil' Silva dubs. Also evidently "Kodi Starr" is the Crazy Cousinz' new non de plume for street productions. "Hooligans" is totally awesome btw, another canonical Ill Blu production (but people should also download the Ill Blu radio set I posted upthread which kicks off with it).
http://www.4shared.com/file/205708101/65fe5c7/DJ_Larizzle__StormParties__Str.html
1. Princess Nyah Hooligans2. Crazy Cousinz Sonar3. Crazy Cousinz ft. MC Versatile Searching For You 4. Deep Teknologi Anthem 5. MC Ramzee (StormParties) Hand In Da Air {{DJ Larizzle Special}} 6. Geeneus ft. Ms Dynamite Get Low 7. DJ Sdoko World On Fire 8. Addictive Domino Effect (O.B Funky Remix) 9. Perempay & Dee Kick Start 10. Dennis Ferrer Hey Hey 11. Mista Bee (PiknMix) Amazons Soul 12. Major Lazer ft. Vybz Kartel Pon De Floor 13. Funky Twinz ft. Angel J Smile 14. Storm ft. Ishan Round and Round (Bobby Digital production) {{DJ Larizzle Special}} 15. Miss Fire Fallin (Dj Naughty Remix) 16. Lil Silva Heartbeat 17. Princess Nyah Crazy 18. LR Groove Key 19. Crazy Cousinz Bongo Jam (L-Vis and Bok Bok Refix) 20. Kodi Starr (Crazy Cousinz) ft. Mc Sickman - Money Routine 21. SMI ft. Quicy (choice fm) Hear Wot I Say {{DJ Larizzle Special}} 22. Mad One Girls House 23. Jan Driver Rat Alert 24. Lil Silva ft. MC Versatile Im The Man 25. Undisputed Sunglasses (DJ Champion Remix) 26. Slick Don Freestyle {{DJ Larizzle Exclusive}} 27. Kodi Starr (Crazy Cousinz) Extortion 28. MC Ramzee (StormParties) Whos Dat Lighty 29. Illmana ft. Tamzin Kiss You 30. Champion ft. Sharky, Trilla, Zest, Riskgo & Ash Monee - Swagger Affair 31. Greyman Blackberry Music {{DJ Larizzle Special}} 32. Dums Amari Pees 4 Dat {{DJ Larizzle Special}} 33. Undisputed ft. Mr M Dash Down {{DJ Larizzle Special}} 34. Funkystepz ft. Lily McKenzie - For U 35. DJ Champion Motherboard {{DJ Larizzle Special}} 36. NIKX Ft. Sharky - Come on over 37. Greyman ft. Charlean Dance & Major Ace - Not In Love 38. JP Styla Gabryelle Storm 39. L3 ft. Tribal Man & Ramzee I Love Funky {{DJ Larizzle Special}} 40. Undisputed ft. Riskgo Be My Baby 41. Lil Silva Drift
― Tim F, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link
Titchy, the general link http://getphysical.blogspot.com goes back to about 2004 which is as far back as I've been using blogspot. One day I'll sort out the archives for the previous stuff but anything in my "one day" box usually means "never".
― Tim F, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link
re: producer stamps, the roska ones definitely add to them. the one on 'our father' is just an incredible release.
wile out is alright, it's not even half as good as 'get low' tho. i was going to make some comment about how geeneus vol 2 needs to hurry up and come out, but yeah, they're probably waiting for a data/ministry deal or something. which means we'll have to wait another year for a proper release.
― tom lea, Thursday, 28 January 2010 02:05 (fourteen years ago) link
or is it our father? i cant remember, theres one that builds for ages and when it finally drops you get the roskaROSKAROSKA and it's an incredible moment.
― tom lea, Thursday, 28 January 2010 02:08 (fourteen years ago) link
As much as I love it, I can't see "Get Low" doing anything other than flopping as a major label single.
― Tim F, Thursday, 28 January 2010 02:41 (fourteen years ago) link
"Psychedelic futuristic noise is playing in the background..." :)
― Mika, Thursday, 28 January 2010 03:30 (fourteen years ago) link
That DJ Larizzle mix is full of greatness.
― Mika, Thursday, 28 January 2010 04:04 (fourteen years ago) link
"get low" isn't going to be a single and probably isn't going to be on ms dynamite's album (tbr this year, apparently) - went into her PR's office the other day (to listen to the new hole album, bizarrely) and they don't even have an mp3 of "get low" themselves.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 28 January 2010 08:12 (fourteen years ago) link
plebs not ready for crackish
― zoom, Thursday, 28 January 2010 08:46 (fourteen years ago) link
lex, whats the new dynamite album like? is it just her doing R&B/hip hop again?
get low should probably just remain on the underground. prob better that way. though i reckon if it did get a bit of radio 1 airplay, it could do ok. prob not as good as boo, but hey.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 28 January 2010 10:21 (fourteen years ago) link
haven't heard the album, "wile out" might not be on it given that it was a feature, she was pretty reticent about it when i interviewed her a while back
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 28 January 2010 10:29 (fourteen years ago) link
agreed, but that doesnt seem to have stopped a lot of people waiting for ministry.
either way, if it's not coming out then maybe dynamite will just let it out as a wav like she did 'bad gyal'. which was like the most overlooked song of last year or something.
― tom lea, Thursday, 28 January 2010 10:41 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah I definitely think it will be big amongst a certain contingent (myself included), but more in the way that "Ramp" was. It's just too hard and groove-focused to crossover I think.
― Tim F, Thursday, 28 January 2010 11:16 (fourteen years ago) link
boo was pretty fucking hard too.
the diff i think is just that theres no context in the mainstream for this to be a hit. no one knows what funky is yet. do you mind got a bit of mainstream airplay but that was an age ago now and there was nothing to follow it up that kept the momentum going.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 28 January 2010 11:19 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah but not as repetitive musically or performance-wise - on "Get Low" everything is deliberately kept at the exact same intensity throughout.
Otherwise I agree with your post.
― Tim F, Thursday, 28 January 2010 11:23 (fourteen years ago) link
DJ Antman - House or Nowhere:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/gmcond
TRACKLISTING:
01 - Mos Wanted - De Congo02 - Dennis Ferrer - Hey Hey (DFS Attention Vocal Mix)03 - Jose Carretas feat. Dani - Taking A Little Piece Of Me (Vocal Mix)04 - Ralf Gum - Kissing Strangers (Todz & Beatz Remix)05 - Joeysuki & Apster - Stick It (Original Mix)06 - Apster & Bassjackers - Kinda Kluzu (Vato Gonzalez Dirty House Bootleg)07 - Afrojack - Do My Dance (Sidney Samson Remix)08 - Broomstick (Lil Silva Remix)09 - Crazy Cousinz feat. Versatile - Searching for You10 - Undisputed - Sunglasses (Champion Remix)11 - Don Haffer feat. Wayne McNeish - I Apologise12 - DJ Naughty feat. Miss Fire - It's You13 - Funkystepz feat. Lilly McKenzie - For You14 - LR Groove - Sickness15 - Wiley feat. Emeli Sande - Never Be Your Woman (Solo UK Remix)16 - D Double E Freestyle17 - Hard House Banton - Peek N' Duck18 - D-Malice - Unecessary19 - Beezy - Dejavoodoo (Geeneus Remix)20 - Lil Silva feat. Golden B & Irie Dan Bless - Put It On Ice21 - Perempay - Kick Start22 - Sony - Mysterious Lady23 - Champion - Bongoshot24 - Funkystepz - Backwards
― Tim F, Thursday, 28 January 2010 11:41 (fourteen years ago) link
who cares about the charts anymore anyway? underground for underground's sake i say, Get Low, Wile Out and Bad Gyal are amazing on their own terms, the blessing of the chart channels are irrelevant.
― Martinclark, Thursday, 28 January 2010 12:16 (fourteen years ago) link
i'm sad about these songs not crossing over - not because it makes them any less brilliant in the slightest, but because it makes the charts less brilliant. the blame is entirely on the charts, the gatekeepers involved there, the public who don't get these tunes - it makes one feel curmudgeonly to be dismissive and snobbish about the charts but there's no other option, really.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 28 January 2010 12:19 (fourteen years ago) link
I just meant that releasing it on a major label is entirely the wrong strategy for a tune like this.
― Tim F, Thursday, 28 January 2010 12:25 (fourteen years ago) link
"everything is deliberately kept at the exact same intensity throughout."
i like that simmering quality to funky.
i dont care about the charts either, but it would be nice to tell people every so often when they ask what youre into and be able to give them an example that they might know. plus i dunno, i still like the idea of more people being into something good. though im fine with this being a stricly underground thing. i like it in fact. though im fine with it not being in fact too. hoho@me.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 28 January 2010 12:33 (fourteen years ago) link
It's a big thing in funky - that simmering thing I mean - and one of the qualities that really distinguishes it from all but a handful of garage tunes.
― Tim F, Thursday, 28 January 2010 13:07 (fourteen years ago) link
groove/restraint: they're hallmarks of rollidge, rather than the drop/large dynamic range change of lots of, ahem, bass music.
― Martinclark, Thursday, 28 January 2010 14:33 (fourteen years ago) link
13 - Funkystepz feat. Lilly McKenzie - For You
this is amazing!
― david cam'ron (tpp), Thursday, 28 January 2010 17:10 (fourteen years ago) link