Joni Mitchell: Classic or Dud

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I'm not normally one for the acoustic singy-songwrity pantheon but I'll be gosh-darned if "Blue" doesn't just *floor* me. So for that, classic.

Trouble is, I'm too unfamiliar with the rest of her work. Enlighten me but answer the thread question as well, please. ;-)

Venga, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Dud, Dud and thrice Dud. Annoyingly "twee" hippy songstress with a piercing warble that could make dogs' heads explode. Ick!

alex in nyc, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Is she related to Grant and Phil?

DG, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

I liked "Urge for Going" and "Conversation". Poor homebound Canadian girl!! True though, she does warble too much. Final verdict-dud.

Joseph Wasko, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Classic. I remember that on one ill-advised attendance of a cadet leadership camp, mentally replaying her better songs in my head was pretty much what got me through the week. Now admittedly I was fourteen and high-strung at the time, but I still reckon she was, when on form, an unbeatable lyricist. The true classic in her back catalogue is _Hejira_, which of course everyone needs, as it strikes the perfect balance between her early directness and her later abstraction (and her early warbling and later nicotine-enhanced rasp, for that matter).

Tim, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

The single worst artist to ever live? Not only do I hate her on principle, but I found Blue to be the most painful album to get through this side of Pink Moon.

Otis Wheeler, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

'Hejira' is the only album I've heard- 'Song for Sharon' and 'Coyote' in particular are excellent. The lyrics and instrumentation floor me.

Geordie loves it fretless, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Pure garbage. Not fit to pick the toenails of Leonard Cohen, Nick Drake, Tim Buckley. Bloody ugly, as well.

Johnathan, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

cobblers. She was & is HOT!!! "Hejira" is a truly beautiful record, better than all that dylan shite wot folks from old-fart magazines get all hot & bothered over. Joni=classic!


norman fay, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

HOT!!! Joni Mitchell! Now you're just being silly.

Johnathan, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

No, he's NOT! (though it's beside the point)

I got "Blue" and "Ladies of the Canyon" for my parents, not thinking I'd ever want them for myself. And why is it that 'warbling' should be considered a bad sound to listen to? Her voice on those two records is lovely!

youn, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

I figure there's just something I don't get about her music. I've tried it on for size lotsa times over the years & the only song i ever developed a lasting liking for is "The Jungle Line" off "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns".
I'm glad I still don't get it actually, it means I'm (still) Not Adult-Oriented.

Duane Zarakov, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

I have Blue and Court And Spark and like both a lot. Blue, especially. I do think, though, that my appreciation has something to do with nostalgia. The whole hippie outlook of that kind of music, (and the sound, too) were what the softer side of the radio was all about when I was a kid in the 70s (both records came out a few years before I would have heard them; but the late 70s still had plenty of that singer/songwriter stuff going.) So I'm not going to cram it down anyone's throat, just because I have certain associations from a certain time & place. I will say that Blue has some fantastic melodies & I'm going to say Classic just on the basis of those two records. I guess I'm more of a hippie than a punk.

Mark, Sunday, 15 April 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Dud as hell. One only needs to listen to her whining at the Isle of Wight festival. Along those lines, the whole of the 60's folk revival (with Dylan et al) has always escaped my sphere of likes, or even my sphere of intellectual appreciation. It just seems so fake. Or maybe I'm just a cynic.

JM, Monday, 16 April 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

'My Old Man' (Blue) astonishes me. I used to hear it as a kid, and rediscovering it recently made me shiver with - with memory, nostalgia, something recovered, I suppose; but also with what felt like its innate qualities, the extraordinary intuitive suppleness of the melody, her delivery of it, the plangency of the piano chords. The one thing that let me down was reading the lyrics (I'd not really made them out from listening), which didn't measure up to the sheer emotional charge of the pure aural experience at all.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 18 April 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

I hate "Big Yellow Taxi" with a passion called hate, to paraphrase Mr Weller and Ms Headon. But wherever "Night In The City" is (not on 'Blue' I don't think), I like it there.

More to the point, did anyone see that Norwegian girl doing Joni Mitchell on Stars In Euro Eyes?

Tom, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Yeah Tom ...she had scary teeth

Geordie Racer, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

"whining"? "Warbling"? Are some posters getting Ms Mitchell mixed upw/joan baez? (now she was *d*u*d*!) I think Joni Mitchell's voice is very pure-sounding, not warbly at all.


NoRMaN FaY, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

By 'warbling', I thought people meant that she used vocal effects - modulations in pitch, etc. - too much, with the implication that her singing was skilled, but heartless, like Mariah Carey's. I think her voice sounds very pure, too, and didn't know that the terms were mutually exclusive.

Norman, it's funny that you mention Joan Baez in relation to this. Joan Didion has this essay about her in which she writes: "When it was time to go to high school, her father was teaching at Stanford, and so she went to Palo Alto High School, where she taught herself "House of the Rising Sun" on a Sears, Roebuck guitar, tried to achieve vibrato by tapping her throat with her finger, and made headlines by refusing to leave the school during a bomb drill." I love the myth that's suggested by these facts, esp. in relation to the setting.

youn, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

10 months pass...
That's an interesting thread. The positions are quite clear. I'd say my favorite post in here was the Pinefox's. "My Old Man" is an emotionally very intense song with great lyrics: "But when he's gone. Me and them lonesome blues collide. The bed's too big. The frying pan's too wide". She delivers this song in a pure and vulnerable way which is typical for her. As a lyricist she is a genius. A line like "I could drink a case of you and I would still be on my feet" is simply beautiful. I always loved her crystal-clear articulation. So it really makes me wonder that the Pinefox did not get the vocals on "My Old Man".

She warbled most on the first album where she sings false in places. That record is even for me as a fan hardly bearable. I am with Tom concerning "Big Yellow Taxi". Musically it is terrible whereas from the lyrics and the premonition of men destroying nature it is pure genius. "Woodstock" is another of her melodically inferior songs. "Last Flight Tonight" also never gripped me. Absolutely essential are "Blue", "Court and Spark" and "Hejira".

BTW Joan Baez who I always found too folky made a great album in 1992 called "Play Me Backwards".

alex in mainhattan, Sunday, 24 February 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

surely it is women who destroy nature, with their lipstick and their hairspray...

as i am allergic to the entire countryside, i liked that they paved over paradise and put up a parking lot: asphalt = better than pollen dust, IMO

mark s, Sunday, 24 February 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

she is so yearningly honest , i find that refreshing

anthony, Tuesday, 26 February 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

Some reasons to admire Joni:

1. The completely unique sound she gets out of an acoustic guitar on "Blue". 'A Case Of You' = classic.

2. "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns": my definition of Pazz & Jop. Also includes Burundi music way before it was fashionable to do things like this.

3. A band like Nazareth can do great covers of her material. Also her vocal lines are ideal fodder for bootlegs (as Fluke demonstrated years ago). Recontextualisation and all that.

4. She kept Jaco busy - hence fewer shitty Jazz Rock records were made.

(I'm joking about No.4 alex!)

Jeff W, Tuesday, 26 February 2002 01:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...
she uses capos well

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 07:45 (11 years ago) Permalink

"blue" reminds me of summer camp. fond memories.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 07:50 (11 years ago) Permalink

Uber Classic! I have to second Jeff's points about the amazing angular guitar tones she got (cf. Blue) and the pazz and jop..
Lyrically she is much more than the fay hippie she's been portrayed as. She's got a great gift of observation re. people and relationships, which I guess puts her in the 'mature' category... Also, that kind of hippie outlook, she started out with, gave her a great perspective on the end of that dream during the 70s, as fantastically displayed on her classic trilogy: Court & Sparks, Hissing of Summer Lawns and Hejira

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Friday, 29 August 2003 08:02 (11 years ago) Permalink

While I find "Blue" slightly overrated, here excellent mid 70s output ("Court And Spark", "Hissing Of Summer Lawns", "Hejira") definitely makes her classic. No doubt about that.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 29 August 2003 10:12 (11 years ago) Permalink

ok how big a bummer is it when Geir likes what u like

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 29 August 2003 12:01 (11 years ago) Permalink

...and conversely how reassuring it is to find that Geir likes an artist you loathe

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:38 (11 years ago) Permalink

she uses capos well

and/or multiple alternate tunings, some of her own invention, i believe?

she's one of the greats, compositionally, subject-matter-wise and maybe persona-wise. and yes, arguably hot, if you like the personality. and probably harder than anyone who thinks she's "twee".

Both For the Roses and Court and Spark are arguably better than Blue. Her best singing (and guitar-playing?) may be on the otherwise middling though convenient pre-C&S-greatest-hits live Miles of Aisles

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:49 (11 years ago) Permalink

j0hn otm.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:59 (11 years ago) Permalink

Saskatchewan ROOLZ

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:33 (11 years ago) Permalink

I'm not sure why I never answered this the first time around. Joni's one of my all-time favorites. Just listened to Don Juan's Reckless Daughter the day before yesterday, The Hissing of Summer Lawns is also a great one. Her dour seriousness as of late is a bit of a pity, but what a huge talent.

Sean (Sean), Friday, 29 August 2003 17:55 (11 years ago) Permalink

I love Blue. I dunno ´bout her later stuff, though.

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:12 (11 years ago) Permalink

gabbneb her tunings are often fairly conventional (open D and G are probably her most used non-standard tunings). she has a real grace with the open tunings (e.g., "you turn me on (i'm a radio)") that requires a level of skill fairly uncommon, maybe someone like malkmus, someone who can sing and (uppercase) PLAY pretty sophisticated lines simultaneously.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:19 (11 years ago) Permalink

Geir Hongro has made me listen to Court and Spark again after I had mentally filed it away as something to sell or to give to my parents, and I'm glad. There's a version of 'Just Like This Train' on one of those KCRW compilations, which I like a lot. I'm trying to figure out why the arrangements on the album aren't as straightforward for me.

youn, Friday, 29 August 2003 18:21 (11 years ago) Permalink

(but possibly her inventedness is maybe variations on D and G... hey! again kinda like malkmus!)

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:21 (11 years ago) Permalink

Also, having Charles Mingus call you up and say here's some songs I wrote for you, why don't you put some lyrics to them is pretty classic.

Sean (Sean), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:22 (11 years ago) Permalink

(but ultimately maybe more like richard thompson, burt jansch or even anne briggs)

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:26 (11 years ago) Permalink

the title track to "court and spark" was running through my head last night, despite not having heard it for years.

i wish i liked anne briggs more.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:26 (11 years ago) Permalink

(i wish i knew who anne briggs or bert jansch were shocker)

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 29 August 2003 19:02 (11 years ago) Permalink

they are some guitarists i got into in college shortly after i first heard the led zeppelin bbc session ("white summer/black mountain side") and how it was page's electric rip of several bert jansch songs. it turns out jansch learned the originals from friend/partner anne briggs... but primarily 60s british folk stuff, he was in pentangle and had a lengthy solo career, she stopped playing after a couple records.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 29 August 2003 19:08 (11 years ago) Permalink

anne briggs was an english folk singer who started out singing unaccompanied traditional ballads for topic records. later she made a few singer-songwriter type records, with a traditional quality to them. she was very good-looking and had a reputation as a free spirit. she dated bert jansch, who is a v. famous english guitar player/songwriter/singer who wrote "needle of death" and was in pentangle. briggs was a pretty good guitar player too and a decent songwriter. i don't like her voice much on the ballads stuff, it's been claimed as unadorned but it sounds florid to me. the lp the time has come though is very pretty.

just noticed gygax's post. well, a 2nd opinion then.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 20:11 (11 years ago) Permalink

i mean she was good looking and a free spirit since every liner note written about her seems to mention those things. apologies.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 20:11 (11 years ago) Permalink

I find For The Roses quite frustrating. Some great stuff on there, but so much of it sounds so... awkward.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 30 August 2003 07:10 (11 years ago) Permalink

dated bert jansch, who is a v. famous english guitar player/songwriter/singer

That should read v. famous SCOTTISH guitar player etc., hope you never meet Bert on a dark night!

Dadaismus (Dada), Sunday, 31 August 2003 12:43 (11 years ago) Permalink

thx for the correction.

amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 31 August 2003 19:07 (11 years ago) Permalink

I can't believe the amount of dissent; without doubt, classic.

christoff (christoff), Friday, 5 September 2003 12:59 (11 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

Expanded 2CD remasters of "Court And Spark", "Hissing Of Summer Lawns" and "Hejira" were supposed to have been released by January this year. They are not yet in the shops half a year later.
Does anyone know what happened and when and if they are due?

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 20:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

she dumped them in the ocean, I heard.

sw00ds, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 20:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

Anybody who likes her at all shouldn't miss the debut, alternately listed as s/t or Song To A Seagull. Whatever romantic illusions she still had, she'd already been through some early shit (teen motherhood, baby put up for adoption, marriage soon over), not spelled out yet, but shadowy allusions clear enough in the first song, "I Had A King," and though feminism was hardly a recognizable term just then for most, "I in my leather and lace/I could never be that kind" in that voice, meant she had the strength to take her distinctive self pretty far, in whatever direction. That's not hindsight, because I first heard it soon after it came out. The tunings, the tunes,the chords--individually and in progression--the rhythmic turns, the way she made the warble work, between the level, confiding, unapologetic, though never complacent phrases: she could be a one-woman Pentangle, she could do folkie-pop, whatever. She was observational, she was introspective without getting lost in there---well, could've done without "The Pirate of Penance," but she kept me listening. She was already a Lady of the Canyon sonically, the way producer Cros kept her voice centered in there, with just the right deployment of echo, the occasional boom of lower strings. Eh, maybe it wouldn't sound that great next to some later ones now, but I thought it was awesome.

dow, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 02:30 (4 months ago) Permalink

And it was almost all her voice and guitar, a little bit of her piano, plus a perfect li'l Stills bass riff on "Night In The City."

dow, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 02:35 (4 months ago) Permalink

I'd be surprised if Stevie Nicks didn't know this record pretty well.

dow, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 02:38 (4 months ago) Permalink

On a related tangent one of the things that surprised me about Linda Perhacs' album of the same era is how the mystical hippie stuff is intermingled with decidedly Joni-esque material like "Paper Mountain Man". It's sort of like a direction Joni could have taken if she'd drifted further towards, rather than away from folk after her first few albums.

Tim F, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 05:36 (4 months ago) Permalink

Great post, dow. It's actually kind if amazing how in the first ten seconds of her recorded career you can hear the melodic/aesthetic/lyrical/arrangement template that she would explore for the next decade. Stark contrast to her contemporaries whose debuts all sound indebted to various Tom Rushes and the like.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 8 May 2014 00:10 (4 months ago) Permalink

i really like "Pirate of Penance" tho

nostalgie de couilles (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 8 May 2014 00:12 (4 months ago) Permalink

also some of these "classic or dud" threads started 12-14 years ago in which the subject is an older artist who is typically undeniably classic (e.g. joni) always show a kind of interesting split between early and new ILM -- how many people on ILM nowadays who don't like joni mitchell would care enough to visit the thread and say shit like this:

Pure garbage. Not fit to pick the toenails of Leonard Cohen, Nick Drake, Tim Buckley. Bloody ugly, as well.
― Johnathan, Friday, April 13, 2001 8:00 PM (13 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

newer artists obviously still get lots of discussion but i'm kind of grateful we don't see posts like the above anymore.

― marcos, Monday, May 5, 2014 9:52 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think the reason for this is that there were so few regulars on ILM in the early days that the folks who /were/ here felt a need to contribute their opinion to nearly every topic/thread. now that sort of thing is impossible--I probably have time to follow four or five threads on the "new answers" page, if that.

espring (amateurist), Thursday, 8 May 2014 02:04 (4 months ago) Permalink

i was on ILX in 2002 (!) and can pretty much remember how it worked.

--old man amateurist

espring (amateurist), Thursday, 8 May 2014 02:04 (4 months ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Misogyny, thy name is Patriarchal Penis Envy! Never! Have I witnessed such a stomach churning Big Bully Boys Club Day Out as the shit flung at Joni Mitchell on this board.

Ever occur to you gents that you're jealous because you've done Sweet FA w/your lives and Ms. Mitchell's taken the very essence of life itself and moulded it to her muse?

I spit on you! Puh!

Bols59, Sunday, 27 July 2014 03:48 (2 months ago) Permalink

i think 2014 ilx consensus is that joni is most supreme. check out this to feel affirmed:
Oh I Wish I Had a POLL, I Could Skate Away On: The Joni Mitchell Tracks/Albums Results Thread (ILM ARTIST POLL #26)

Mordy, Sunday, 27 July 2014 04:00 (2 months ago) Permalink

googler, I take it? xp

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 27 July 2014 04:01 (2 months ago) Permalink

valuable new poster

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Sunday, 27 July 2014 04:20 (2 months ago) Permalink

tbf when i open this thread up i always fp the naysayers at the top just to make sure

Daphnis Celesta, Sunday, 27 July 2014 08:27 (2 months ago) Permalink

only FP cos I want to see if we can set a new record here

tho its fuckin madness to even hint at did ITT tbh

your favourite misread ILX threads (darraghmac), Sunday, 27 July 2014 09:13 (2 months ago) Permalink

old ilx was a bunch of twee fuckers with challops regarding stuff abt which they knew v little.

a biscuit/donut hybrid called “bisnuts” (stevie), Sunday, 27 July 2014 09:39 (2 months ago) Permalink

Daphnis otm

Now I Am Become Dracula (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 27 July 2014 14:01 (2 months ago) Permalink

old ilx was a bunch of twee fuckers with challops regarding stuff abt which they knew v little.

― a biscuit/donut hybrid called “bisnuts” (stevie), Sunday, 27 July 2014 09:39 (6 hours ago) Permalink

See also: opening few posts on the Neil Young: Classic or Dud thread

everyday sheeple (Michael B), Sunday, 27 July 2014 16:15 (2 months ago) Permalink

i think about the guy who told everybody they only liked coffee because it was cool like ... most days

schlump, Sunday, 27 July 2014 16:48 (2 months ago) Permalink

Sweet FA would be a great band name.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 27 July 2014 16:55 (2 months ago) Permalink

sweet, sweet failure analysis

chikungunya manatee (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 27 July 2014 17:33 (2 months ago) Permalink

An early show, listed as Nov. '66 at the Second Fret in Philly, though someone quoted toward the end of the post says it's from 1967, that she did play there the previous year, but in a duo with her husband, Chuck Mitchell. Could be, since the post also links to an interview from the 1966 gig, where Chuck does a lot of the talking. Anyway, this show is all her, and she does some songs that wouldn't show up on her albums for years--- decades, in some cases:

dow, Sunday, 27 July 2014 19:35 (2 months ago) Permalink

In case the tracks go away, here's the original annotations (also transcribed in the Big O post, if this isn't legible enough):

dow, Sunday, 27 July 2014 19:41 (2 months ago) Permalink

thank you dow!

a biscuit/donut hybrid called “bisnuts” (stevie), Sunday, 27 July 2014 20:07 (2 months ago) Permalink

Welcolme, stevie. Before she plays "Urge for Going," she says that George Hamilton IV's version is "Number 13 with a bullet," so might be early '67 already, since that's when he got it into the Country Top 10. What a guitarist she is! I suspect the way she rang the changes "influenced" some other songwriters as much as anything else she did.

dow, Monday, 28 July 2014 20:45 (2 months ago) Permalink

eh, "welcome," jeez.

dow, Monday, 28 July 2014 20:46 (2 months ago) Permalink

her tunings are in any alt-tuning bible by name; she's one of the great acoustic guitarists of the rock era

Now I Am Become Dracula (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 28 July 2014 23:23 (2 months ago) Permalink

I like the story from "hotel california" w/Clapton watching her play some tunes at mama cass's house and staring at her hands trying to figure out how the hell she was doing what she was doing.

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Monday, 28 July 2014 23:26 (2 months ago) Permalink

aero otm

Οὖτις, Monday, 28 July 2014 23:34 (2 months ago) Permalink

Yeah just to second that recommendation, good book

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Tuesday, 29 July 2014 07:58 (2 months ago) Permalink


Tim F, Tuesday, 29 July 2014 08:03 (2 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Gosh Miles of Aisles is great -- love hearing the band from that era jam out

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Monday, 15 September 2014 01:28 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i've been listening to this really great album recently it's called blue

Treeship, Saturday, 20 September 2014 21:01 (1 week ago) Permalink

i didn't know night ride home before everybody got effusive about it, in this thread or a different thread, i don't know. & wow! i listen to it a lot lately. the windfall.

schlump, Saturday, 20 September 2014 22:02 (1 week ago) Permalink

*puts on night ride home again*

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Saturday, 20 September 2014 22:28 (1 week ago) Permalink

"The Windfall" makes me feel a bit uncomfortable actually.

Tim F, Saturday, 20 September 2014 23:36 (1 week ago) Permalink

How so, Tim? I haven't heard it. This evening I came across an old tape of acoustic demos for The Hissing of Summer Lawns. She's still working out how to articulate all these dense lines, but I got some of the nuances of her social critiques, which aren't too aloof--she gets pulled into the promenades of "On France They Kiss On Main Street," "Dream Land," "The Boho Dance"---but on first listen, the simple male mind is most smitten by the most simplistic song, "Shades of Scarlett Conquering": sympathetically rendered scenes from the love life of a drama queen, fucked up by the movies--very cinematic, so maybe she just saw the wrong movies. Reminds me of that elegantly deterministic property, "Paul's Case," by Willa Cather. Sound's rough-edged, but no Tom Scott sax on these, yay.

dow, Sunday, 21 September 2014 03:31 (1 week ago) Permalink

It's only six songs from the finished album, which I haven't heard in ages.

dow, Sunday, 21 September 2014 03:33 (1 week ago) Permalink

elegantly anti-commodity-fetish property or progressive morality machine, something like that.

dow, Sunday, 21 September 2014 03:37 (1 week ago) Permalink

Like Mitchell was one of those who though a range of California-associated perspectives (did she date Jerry Brown? Think that was Ronstadt)

dow, Sunday, 21 September 2014 03:40 (1 week ago) Permalink

"The Windfall" is a blunt character assassination of a former house maid who had sued Joni. Even if the portrayal is accurate the whole exercise reveals a tremendous lack of tact.

Tim F, Sunday, 21 September 2014 03:58 (1 week ago) Permalink

Less important, but it's also the only tune that really jars with the compelling seer-crone-priestess vibe she sets up on the album's best songs.

Tim F, Sunday, 21 September 2014 04:03 (1 week ago) Permalink

Yes Miles is awesome!

calstars, Sunday, 21 September 2014 04:05 (1 week ago) Permalink

Used to love Miles of Aisles back in the day, and it does have some of her greatest "swoops" and guitar-playing, but even if I like live albums more than he does, Xgau's right that the "jams" as it were are a bit woolly and the song selection does go on a bit.

benbbag, Sunday, 21 September 2014 05:40 (1 week ago) Permalink

on first listen night ride home sounds pretty nice! interesting to think about what if this had been the album she had made after hejira instead of don juan's reckless daughter.

jaymc, Sunday, 21 September 2014 05:53 (1 week ago) Permalink

my taste for stuff like this (night ride home) sometimes makes me think that i should listen more closely to ani difranco. i've heard plenty of ani's stuff -- my wife is a fan -- but i've never really sat down with it except for in college when i reviewed ani's up up up up up up for dom passantino's alma mater's student newspaper. and i have to say, at the time, i was kind of surprised at how much i was into it.

jaymc, Sunday, 21 September 2014 05:57 (1 week ago) Permalink

though this also reminds me, interestingly, of late bobby mcferrin.

jaymc, Sunday, 21 September 2014 05:58 (1 week ago) Permalink

Up × 6 isn't even a particularly good Ani album.

Tim F, Sunday, 21 September 2014 06:04 (1 week ago) Permalink

But you're right, there's a side of Ani that is very similar to Night Ride Home.

Tim F, Sunday, 21 September 2014 06:06 (1 week ago) Permalink

In particular Reckoning, the second disc of Revelling/Reckoning from 2001. This is the title track:

Tim F, Sunday, 21 September 2014 06:37 (1 week ago) Permalink

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