Trouble is, I'm too unfamiliar with the rest of her work. Enlighten me but answer the thread question as well, please. ;-)
― Venga, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― alex in nyc, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
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― Joseph Wasko, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Tim, Friday, 13 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Otis Wheeler, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Geordie loves it fretless, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Johnathan, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
x0x0
― norman fay, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
I got "Blue" and "Ladies of the Canyon" for my parents, not thinking I'd ever want them for myself. And why is it that 'warbling' should be considered a bad sound to listen to? Her voice on those two records is lovely!
― youn, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
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― the pinefox, Wednesday, 18 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
More to the point, did anyone see that Norwegian girl doing Joni Mitchell on Stars In Euro Eyes?
― Tom, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Geordie Racer, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― NoRMaN FaY, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Norman, it's funny that you mention Joan Baez in relation to this. Joan Didion has this essay about her in which she writes: "When it was time to go to high school, her father was teaching at Stanford, and so she went to Palo Alto High School, where she taught herself "House of the Rising Sun" on a Sears, Roebuck guitar, tried to achieve vibrato by tapping her throat with her finger, and made headlines by refusing to leave the school during a bomb drill." I love the myth that's suggested by these facts, esp. in relation to the setting.
― youn, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― alex in mainhattan, Sunday, 24 February 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
as i am allergic to the entire countryside, i liked that they paved over paradise and put up a parking lot: asphalt = better than pollen dust, IMO
― mark s, Sunday, 24 February 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― anthony, Tuesday, 26 February 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
1. The completely unique sound she gets out of an acoustic guitar on "Blue". 'A Case Of You' = classic.
2. "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns": my definition of Pazz & Jop. Also includes Burundi music way before it was fashionable to do things like this.
3. A band like Nazareth can do great covers of her material. Also her vocal lines are ideal fodder for bootlegs (as Fluke demonstrated years ago). Recontextualisation and all that.
4. She kept Jaco busy - hence fewer shitty Jazz Rock records were made.
(I'm joking about No.4 alex!)
― Jeff W, Tuesday, 26 February 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
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― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 29 August 2003 12:01 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:38 (9 years ago) Permalink
and/or multiple alternate tunings, some of her own invention, i believe?
she's one of the greats, compositionally, subject-matter-wise and maybe persona-wise. and yes, arguably hot, if you like the personality. and probably harder than anyone who thinks she's "twee".
Both For the Roses and Court and Spark are arguably better than Blue. Her best singing (and guitar-playing?) may be on the otherwise middling though convenient pre-C&S-greatest-hits live Miles of Aisles
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 29 August 2003 13:49 (9 years ago) Permalink
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― youn, Friday, 29 August 2003 18:21 (9 years ago) Permalink
― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:21 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Sean (Sean), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:22 (9 years ago) Permalink
― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:26 (9 years ago) Permalink
i wish i liked anne briggs more.
― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 18:26 (9 years ago) Permalink
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 29 August 2003 19:02 (9 years ago) Permalink
― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 29 August 2003 19:08 (9 years ago) Permalink
just noticed gygax's post. well, a 2nd opinion then.
― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 29 August 2003 20:11 (9 years ago) Permalink
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 30 August 2003 07:10 (9 years ago) Permalink
That should read v. famous SCOTTISH guitar player etc., hope you never meet Bert on a dark night!
― Dadaismus (Dada), Sunday, 31 August 2003 12:43 (9 years ago) Permalink
― amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 31 August 2003 19:07 (9 years ago) Permalink
― christoff (christoff), Friday, 5 September 2003 12:59 (9 years ago) Permalink
Expanded 2CD remasters of "Court And Spark", "Hissing Of Summer Lawns" and "Hejira" were supposed to have been released by January this year. They are not yet in the shops half a year later. Does anyone know what happened and when and if they are due?
― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 20:20 (5 years ago) Permalink
she dumped them in the ocean, I heard.
― sw00ds, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 20:26 (5 years ago) Permalink
xp aero, surely you could keep private copies for yourself?
― thomasintrouble, Friday, 9 November 2012 14:10 (7 months ago) Permalink
record everything in code
― Albert Crampus (NickB), Friday, 9 November 2012 14:32 (7 months ago) Permalink
In Moscow they canoodle on Leningradsky Prospekt, that sort of thing
xxp and make sure that any friends who could be your max brod die before you do.
― Merdeyeux, Friday, 9 November 2012 14:34 (7 months ago) Permalink
Make real sure.
― how's life, Friday, 9 November 2012 14:40 (7 months ago) Permalink
we live in a world of Max Brods now. destroy everything
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 9 November 2012 14:45 (7 months ago) Permalink
esp grocery lists
― cruel silver of hope (Eazy), Friday, 9 November 2012 14:45 (7 months ago) Permalink
Brod only saved, what, Amerika, The Trial, and The Castle? Three of my least fav. Kafkas
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Friday, 9 November 2012 14:54 (7 months ago) Permalink
My favorite was in that bunch.
― cruel silver of hope (Eazy), Friday, 9 November 2012 14:55 (7 months ago) Permalink
i thought those little short stories (my favorites of his) were published while he was alive.
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Friday, 9 November 2012 14:58 (7 months ago) Permalink
and to be fair to Brod, he did tell Kafka he wouldn't burn the papers
― thomasintrouble, Friday, 9 November 2012 15:00 (7 months ago) Permalink
we only have Brod's word on that & he's a pretty untrustworthy motherfucker so I don't buy it
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 9 November 2012 15:03 (7 months ago) Permalink
I should start a separate Thread of Max Brod hate though I get real irrational when I think about that dude I wanna beat his ass
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 9 November 2012 15:04 (7 months ago) Permalink
I thought the story was only published in The Trail but nah ok
"Before the Law" (German: "Vor dem Gesetz") is a parable contained in the novel The Trial (German: Der Prozess), by Franz Kafka. "Before the Law" was published in Kafka's lifetime, first in the New Year's edition 1915 of the independent Jewish weekly Selbstwehr, then in 1919 as part of the collection Ein Landarzt (A Country Doctor). The Trial, however was not published until 1925, after Kafka's death.
― cruel silver of hope (Eazy), Friday, 9 November 2012 15:04 (7 months ago) Permalink
I read everything here until The Shorter Stories this past summer and I was blown away by how good they were, good job, Franz!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Complete_Stories_of_Franz_Kafka
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Friday, 9 November 2012 15:06 (7 months ago) Permalink
under, not until
i'm sure those individual album scores are hella arbitrary but a 10 for court and spark/hissing and an 8 for hejira? :\
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 9 November 2012 16:26 (7 months ago) Permalink
heh, my thoughts exactly. i don't think any of them are 'perfect' albums.
― GAY HIPSTER BATMAN ON HIS WAY TO A CIRCUIT PARTY (donna rouge), Friday, 9 November 2012 16:32 (7 months ago) Permalink
The review is best on For The Roses, I think. Leaving aside the score I think the Hejira bit was too high-level (even just relative to the still-short treatment the other albums got).
― Tim F, Friday, 9 November 2012 20:44 (7 months ago) Permalink
Jessica otm for saying that Hejira is for old people tho
― polish your turds for beer and hugs (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 9 November 2012 21:04 (7 months ago) Permalink
"old" meaning over-30s that is
― polish your turds for beer and hugs (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 9 November 2012 21:05 (7 months ago) Permalink
this is true, the police confiscated my copy
― GAY HIPSTER BATMAN ON HIS WAY TO A CIRCUIT PARTY (donna rouge), Friday, 9 November 2012 21:06 (7 months ago) Permalink
I appreciate Hopper throwing down the gauntlet for Hissing and giving it a 10 -- that record is always, always the one I play for people who only know the earlier records, those first two tracks in a row destroy all preconceptions of what she's about. Even if Hejira goes deeper for many fans once you are a fan, the idea of using the 10s to flag the three you think fencesitters should hear first sort of works for a PF review
Reckless Daughter = my favorite
― Milton Parker, Friday, 9 November 2012 21:08 (7 months ago) Permalink
loved the review, going to go home tonight and listen to as many of them as possible
― Milton Parker, Friday, 9 November 2012 21:09 (7 months ago) Permalink
I think Jessica is probably right in general but Hejira was my favourite album in the world at 14 and Court & Spark is the golden run album it took me longest to warm to fully.
― Tim F, Friday, 9 November 2012 21:13 (7 months ago) Permalink
totally got lost again in Reckless Daughter last night, there's no way it isn't the high point for me. it's too bad this review steers people away from it, less by dealing with the music than by going all P.C. on the packaging. you can rail on the fact that Joni dressed herself as an Indian with a word balloon saying 'How!', but to then immediately transition into mentioning 'Paprika Plains' as the highlight of the record without mentioning... the lyrics... well, space constraints, I guess? You can, in passing, safely call out blackface as not-okay-ever, but when you've got a jazz-fusion record with the artist in blackface with a word balloon next to her face saying 'Mooslems, Mooooslems! Heh, Heh, Heh', then there is officially something more complicated going on than you are ever going to be able to deal with in under one paragraph
I mean, yes, Mingus made me nervous the first time I heard it, but one night last year I came home and put it on and it was perfect, from beginning to end
― Milton Parker, Saturday, 10 November 2012 21:46 (7 months ago) Permalink
Noticed they'd released a box of all of her lps to the late 70s, it was in the local HMV this week. I couldn't see anything on it about remastering so wondered, assume a box like that does indicate that though. Had been thinking of getting hold of a few of those lps if I could get hold of a decent remaster.
Anybody got that set?
― Stevolende, Saturday, 10 November 2012 22:17 (7 months ago) Permalink
sorry just took a quick glimpse back at previous messages, & didn't seem to be what was being talked about. But now I see that was the reason the thread was revived. It just was something I'd meant to google when I saw it on the shelf but had slipped my mind on getting home so was interested if anybody had 1st hand familiarity with it yet.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 10 November 2012 22:20 (7 months ago) Permalink
I've bought it and played through "Court", "Hissing" and "Hejira". Don't think they've been remastered, the packaging doesn't say, but it only lists the year of release on each record, and usually the year of the remastering is added, isn't it? Plus, I added "Hejira" to my ipod and the volume level is low. But it sounds good, anyhow, so I don't complain.
― Mule, Saturday, 10 November 2012 22:33 (7 months ago) Permalink
Thanks to recommendations by ilx's own Mordy, I got a used copy of Clouds and Heijera today - my first two Joni albums ever (I only knew maybe one or two songs before that)
I planned to listen to both today, but Clouds appears to be stuck on repeat :)i love it so much
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 23:22 (5 months ago) Permalink
(truthfully I was looking for Blue or Court + Spark but the record store had neither and I had a gift card burning a hole in my pocket. turns out settling for these two was a lovely decision)
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 23:23 (5 months ago) Permalink
Wait till you get 'Blue,' then you'll be in heaven. I love a lot of her other work, but 'Blue' really stands above on every level.
― Soundslike, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 23:33 (5 months ago) Permalink
Do people love or hate Jaco's bass on Hejira? My dad is reading a Jaco bio where he claimed that Joni offered him a few hundred thousand to impregnate her (for his musical talent, I suppose). I hate to see it, but I can totally imagine her doing that!
― Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 23:43 (5 months ago) Permalink
hate to say it (and I'd hate to see it!). sorry bout that
― Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 23:44 (5 months ago) Permalink
I love Jaco's bass. Anyone who says otherwise should not be trusted on anything.
― Tim F, Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:22 (5 months ago) Permalink
I guess I'm not the only one who thinks Hejira would be nowhere near as good without him. I don't like to think of myself as a fretless bass guy but between this and Mick Karn, I guess I am!
― Iago Galdston, Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:35 (5 months ago) Permalink
I'm generally not a fan of fretless electric bass guitar, but yeah, Hejira is unimaginable without it.
I came late to Clouds, thinking she would still be finding her feet. Boy, was I wrong. Might be my second fave Joni, after Blue.
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:42 (5 months ago) Permalink
i'd like a thread of indispensable bass albums, come to think of it!
― Iago Galdston, Thursday, 27 December 2012 01:50 (5 months ago) Permalink
Listened to some of Heijera on the drive home...fretless bass takes some getting used to, at least for me. But so far i love Amelia, and the title track.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 27 December 2012 02:36 (5 months ago) Permalink
It will grow on you, at least on this record. This record also grows on you, stealthily. But I am now so deep into Hissing of Summer Lawns I can't see out of it.
― Iago Galdston, Thursday, 27 December 2012 03:02 (5 months ago) Permalink
http://dangerousminds.net/comments/joni_mitchell_amazing_live_bbc_in_concert_performance_from_1970
― Mordy, Saturday, 26 January 2013 15:24 (4 months ago) Permalink
Brilliant.
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Saturday, 26 January 2013 16:35 (4 months ago) Permalink
Thank you.
― banjoboy, Saturday, 26 January 2013 17:59 (4 months ago) Permalink
2003 was my wake up year, crunched Summer Lawns / Hejira / Don Juan's Reckless Daughter down to one cassette and it never left the car
― Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 27 January 2013 22:15 (4 months ago) Permalink
Oh man, Amelia is something else.
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 13:49 (4 months ago) Permalink
http://www.cbc.ca/q/blog/2013/06/05/joni-mitchell/
― Mordy , Thursday, 6 June 2013 03:45 (1 week ago) Permalink
_2003 was my wake up year, crunched Summer Lawns / Hejira / Don Juan's Reckless Daughter down to one cassette and it never left the car_Just created a Joni Mitchell 1975-80 playlist on Spotify -- will be interested to see if this is finally what makes me turn the corner on her.
Just created a Joni Mitchell 1975-80 playlist on Spotify -- will be interested to see if this is finally what makes me turn the corner on her.
― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 8 June 2013 00:25 (1 week ago) Permalink
Bought Ladies of the Canyon the other day and loved it. Shared "Big Yellow Taxi" on Facebook and promptly got told by one of my friends that Counting Crow's version was "much, much better".
― arctic mindbath (President of the People's Republic of Antarctica), Saturday, 8 June 2013 00:28 (1 week ago) Permalink
wow, this has to be one of the most obnoxious '2001 ilm' openings to a thread ever
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 8 June 2013 00:41 (1 week ago) Permalink
Did you see the 90 min profile done for CBC in 2003? http://vimeo.com/20279550#
― that's not my post, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 06:51 (Yesterday) Permalink