― dave q, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― John Darnielle, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
Sludge = Grunge? Sounds about right.
DEP for me too. Their 3 song/8 minute EP beats most everything Converge has ever done. Only the last Converge is really worth looking into, though it is very good. Those first two tracks are monsters.
New trends: Samples of girls screaming. Bands who can't really play all that well trying to be technical; i.e. CRAZY TIME SIGNATURES.
― Alan, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Jordan, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
Anyway, Converge are a metal/hardcore band that have been around for many years now. Their last album, Jane Doe, is the only one I really like, though they have had their moments before ("The Saddest Day", "Locust Reign"). Jane Doe is about where they started throwing some grind elements into the mix with some experimentation with different textures and slower rhythms (I think at least one of them is in Old Man Gloom, which is along the lines of Isis, so it makes sense). They also pull off the crazy time signatures thing fairly well. Download the first two tracks if you want a taste.
But if you don't like screamed vocals, stay away. Converge's vocals have a very raw sound to them; as if the singer's throat has given out but he keeps yelling anyway. This used to bother me, actually, until me friend pointed out that they sound like a hardcore version of Brian Johnson (!) which is pretty great.
― Kris, Saturday, 27 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― dave q, Sunday, 28 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Mike, Monday, 3 June 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― dave q, Monday, 3 June 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
Converge!
― scott seward, Saturday, 29 December 2007 00:07 (5 years ago) Permalink
Right now, it's Dillinger for me. A year ago, I would have said Converge.
― A. Begrand, Saturday, 29 December 2007 00:08 (5 years ago) Permalink
I haven't enjoyed Dillinger since the old singer left.
Converge are one of the consistently best bands in the world.
― Nate Carson, Saturday, 29 December 2007 00:24 (5 years ago) Permalink
^^^^ that about sums it up.
― one time, Saturday, 29 December 2007 05:36 (5 years ago) Permalink
Converge all the way, though I like the new DEP too.
― Marty Innerlogic, Saturday, 29 December 2007 13:18 (5 years ago) Permalink
i like old dillinger better than old converge, but new converge much better than new dillinger
― bstep, Saturday, 29 December 2007 22:36 (5 years ago) Permalink
DEP's new album is out today. anybody heard it yet? i only have Calculating but want to hear more of their stuff.
― Where's Mexican Waldo? (Cattle Grind), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 04:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, it's awesome
― rolling stupid fruity crazy ragg ned (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 04:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
Also Dillinger >>>>>>> Converge
and I LOVE Converge
I've heard mixed things about the new one, but I've yet to listen myself. I'll be heading out to pick it up tomorrow.
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 04:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
i'm purchasing on ITunes now cuz it comes with a digital book. think im gonna go see them on their tour tho.
I like Converge too. anybody like I Wrestled a Bear Once?
― Where's Mexican Waldo? (Cattle Grind), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 04:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
I wouldn't say "like", but I keep going back to Iwrestledabearonce to see why it intrigues me so.
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 04:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
i haven't listened to much of this type of music in ten years. I'm playing Calculating Infinity for the first time in probably a decade and I think I have more appreciation fori tn ow than I did then (and I liked it then, saw them when Dimitri was still in the band)
― Where's Mexican Waldo? (Cattle Grind), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 04:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
so ITunes is taking forever. so...let me get this straight, this mathcore shit DEP did on Calculating Infinity, I'm NOT going to hear on their other albums?
― Where's Mexican Waldo? (Cattle Grind), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 04:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
You will, just not nearly as much. Also, Greg is quite a different singer/screamer to Dmitri.
― wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 07:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
Then again, I'm saying that having not heard the new one. But based on the last two...
― wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 07:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
not so long ago, this would have been DEP, no contest. converge have really battered their way into my affections of late. 'axe to fall' was totally killer. haven't heard option paralysis yet though.
DEP got off to a shaky start once greg joined. 'miss machine' was a bit of an underwhelming mess, but 'ire works' was much more focused and harsh, and yet full of improbable pop (ish) hooks too. loved it.
'calculating infinity' and 'irony is a dead scene' are still their bet work though.
― m the g, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 08:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
― A. Begrand, Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:08 AM (2 years ago)
Axe to Fall destroys Option Paralysis. Funny how things change.
― A. Begrand, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 08:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
haven't liked the last two dillinger albums, although i like Greg as a live vocalist. Suppose I'll listen to this new one. DEP were my favourite band in the whole wide world when i was 16. converge are aight.
― 404s & Heartbreak (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 12:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
hoo boy, not too keen on this on first listen.
― 404s & Heartbreak (jim in glasgow), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 00:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
New DEP is definitely a step back from Ire Works, which was the first album by them I really liked. Axe to Fall, meanwhile, is fucking godlike.
― neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 00:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
man, I can't even imagine siding with DEP like I did 7 years ago!
last.fm sez:Converge (428 plays)The Dillinger Escape Plan (211 plays)
closer than I would have expected. I thought ire works was really strong and played it a bunch when it came out. but I haven't liked much else they've done since the calculating infinity days.
converge have had a pretty amazing streak going for a while now.
― ¬_¬ (Alan N), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 00:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
man, I listened to so much of this stuff in lolcollege
― ¬_¬ (Alan N), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 00:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
am also kinda shocked by how much converge have improved as players. the early stuff is pretty freakin' sloppy!
― ¬_¬ (Alan N), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 00:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
never got the big fuss over Axe to Fall. I prefer the three preceding LPs. Ire Works has turned out to be one of my fave metal records of the last decade.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 24 March 2010 00:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
ire works was a huge record for me, i definitely think it's dillinger's best yet. option paralysis is really good, but i haven't had enough time to sit with it to really put it into a better perspective than that. i like that they're not repeating themselves, but at the same time i can see why people think that this record is a regression of sorts as it focuses a lot more on the mathcore side of dillinger than their pop side. on ire works they balanced both sides really well; the album had a much better flow to it, and hearing them weave in and out of each song effortlessly is still thrilling to me. there's something about the way OP is a much more difficult listen, especially when juxtaposed with IW, that makes me appreciate what they're doing instead of just writing it off as regression. it's longer, its their most abrasive since calculating infinity, it's basically a bitch to listen to, and it takes balls to make a record like that. especially when the payoff is as good as it is.
oh, and i can't choose between converge or dillinger.
― borntohula, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 03:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
that's interesting... I'd head exactly the opposite, that OP is even poppier and less abrasive than IW. haven't heard it yet, but it's curious that it's got a rashomon thing going on.
― m the g, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 09:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
HEARD, that is.
I like all DEP I've decided....well teh studio albums at least.
I wanted to buy Under the Running Board but the only copy I see is a re-released version with 13 bonus tracks. Seriously, fuck you record label, now I get to pay 13 bucks for an album that was originally ten minutes long. I may just pay+download it on ITunes.
I mean is there anything wrong with a cd that JUST LASTS TEN MINUTES! It's perfect for my drives to work!
― Usain Bolt Cola (Cattle Grind), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 13:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
running board is still probably my fave thing they've done. the 10min length actually plays right to their strengths! total adrenaline rush with no time for the listener to get bored/irritated.
― ¬_¬ (Alan N), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 14:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
I hate all of you. I spent ungodly amounts of money due to the praise heaped on the remaining discography of both groups. Already had Jane Doe but hadn't listened in like 7 years. That is criminal.
you all are right about Ire works though, that sucker is amazing.
@Alan: I have always had an appreciation for short E.P.s like that because they're a quick rush to the head and that's it - no need to sit and absorb ambience for a half hour or anything, and great for short car rides.
Why the record label had to ruin that with a ridiculous reissue that triples the length of the album is beyond me. I'm going to get myself a proper copy. If I want the bonus tracks I'll d/l them.
― I Farted In Your Mouth (Cattle Grind), Saturday, 27 March 2010 14:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
buy the vinyl then!http://shop.relapse.com/store/product.aspx?ProductID=19929
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 28 March 2010 18:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
oh, definitely. have a serious soft spot for grind/hardcore 7"s for this reason.
― ¬_¬ (Alan N), Monday, 29 March 2010 03:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
well, not the car part. kinda hard to play those things in my car.
― ¬_¬ (Alan N), Monday, 29 March 2010 03:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
"Dead As History" is so so so so good, maybe could do without the weird singing-saw bit but a flaming incredible piece of music otherwise, up there with the EP, maybe even better
― so you want Mark Ronson to cry into your ass (acoleuthic), Friday, 25 June 2010 15:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
― scott seward, Friday, 25 June 2010 15:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
I have quite a lot of Converge and I'm yet to really listen to it. Maybe I could start today.
― so you want Mark Ronson to cry into your ass (acoleuthic), Friday, 25 June 2010 15:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
(Which album is best to begin with? I have Jane Doe, You Fail Me and Axe To Fall)
― so you want Mark Ronson to cry into your ass (acoleuthic), Friday, 25 June 2010 15:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
listen to all three in that order.
― scott seward, Friday, 25 June 2010 15:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
shall do
― so you want Mark Ronson to cry into your ass (acoleuthic), Friday, 25 June 2010 15:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
converge!!
― j., Monday, 22 October 2012 13:34 (7 months ago) Permalink
And it's not even close.
― Mule, Monday, 22 October 2012 20:14 (7 months ago) Permalink