"Ether" vs. "Takeover"

sean carter to jay-z, damn you on jaz dick
so lil shortys gettin gunned up and clapped quick
how much of biggies rhymes is gon come out your fat lips?
wanted to be on every last one of my classics
you pop shit, apologize, nigga, just ask kiss

vs CHRIS AND NEEF, WE RUNNIN THIS RAP SHIT! O AND SPARKS, WE RUNNIN THIS RAP SHIT!!

takeover obv

I showed you your first tec on tour with Large Professor
Then I heard your album bout your tec on the dresser

that's a one hot album every ten year average

^

takeover is jay at his wackest-- ether is nas at his best

ether> takeover

-- Jordan Sargent, Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:25 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

def. meant takeover>ether

takeover is jay at his wackest-- ether is nas at his best

-- luriqua, Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:23 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

this is nine levels of RONG.

takeover obv

-- groovemaaan, Thursday, 23 August 2007 21:00 (56 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

I showed you your first tec on tour with Large Professor
Then I heard your album bout your tec on the dresser

-- deej, Thursday, 23 August 2007 21:01 (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

that's a one hot album every ten year average

-- dmr, Thursday, 23 August 2007 21:22 (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^

-- Jordan Sargent, Thursday, 23 August 2007 21:22 (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

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"runnin' this rap shit" line balanced out by "And all you other cats throwin shots at Jigga/ You only get half a bar - fuck y'all niggas."

but this goes to Ether by leaps and bounds

better than any verse Jay ever recorded:

I've been fucked over, left for dead, dissed and forgotten
Luck ran out, they hoped that I'd be gone, stiff and rotten
Y'all just piss on me, shit on me, spit on my grave (uh)
Talk about me, laugh behind my back but in my face
Y'all some "well wishers," friendly acting, envy hiding snakes
With your hands out for my money, man, how much can I take?
When these streets keep calling, heard it when I was sleep
That this Gay-Z and Cockafella Records wanted beef
Started cocking up my weapon, slowly loading up this ammo
To explode it on a camel, and his soldiers, I can handle
This for dolo and it's manuscript, just sound stupid
When KRS already made an album called Blueprint
First, Biggie's ya man, then you got the nerve to say that you better than Big
Dick sucking lips, why not you let the late, great veteran live

99. You only get half a bar/ Fuck y'all niggas - The Takeover

-- Tynan DeLong (TynanTynan!), Friday, January 13, 2006 9:50 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

"Takeover" is kinda OK as an early 00s indie-friendly crossover novelty single, but at the end of the day I kinda want my rap to have more in common with "Ya Playing Yourself" than "Bad Babysitter"

the gay-z and cockafella disses were kinda weak.

i don't mind ether, but i like the overall easy, confident vibe of takeover better...

along the lines of what m@tt said, jay doesn't even sound heated.

i dig the "pssshhh... nas?"-ness of it.

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Started cocking up my weapon, slowly loading up this ammo
To explode it on a camel and his soldiers
I can handle this for dolo and its manuscript
Just sound stupid when KRS already made an album called Blueprint

Foxy got you hot 'cause you kept your face in her puss
What you think, you getting girls now 'cause of your looks?

I don't know about this one but I'll give you a sure winner - in my own, uninformed way. The 50-Cent diss of Nas was absolutely smoked by Nas' reply.

http://allhiphop.com/features/?ID=38

AHH: One thing that just came up today, Nas apparently has a response to Jay Z’s "The Takeover" on his upcoming album, which implicates you and Pun and includes the lyrics: "Call yourself gangsta but you were begging for pardon that night in Carbon when Terror Squad flipped on your squadron tried to front on their checks till Pun put a gun to your chest."

Fat Joe: We gotta hear it but damn, what a way to put me right in the middle of the beef huh? We don’t comment on that, that's old news. Like I said all the negative energy all that sh*t you can throw that out the window.
Nas is crazy. No question that we are allies with Nas Escobar. We love Nas. I almost named my son after Nas. As far as him and Jay Z with the beef: that’s they stuff. Until somebody tries to involve me in that shit, that’s it. I ain’t got no problem with the whole Rocafella. It’s well documented. Everybody keeps trying to get me to talk about that shit in every interview. Why don’t they ask Jay Z that stuff? I read his interveiws, nobody asks him. If you interview him, ask him.

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garbage

Delete ILX

ILM ethered

that Nas verse upthread fucking sucks

except for the stupid/blueprint bars, it's basically Lou1s J@gger-worthy

Maybe Nas is actually Nude Spock?

ILM otm
ether is a half-decent diss and garbage song

that's a one poll loss every one poll average.

lol

This is some bullshit.

I would have voted Ether.

Most of the disses in Ether are weak

already an album called Blueprint = not interesting
thinks he gets girls because of his looks = jay-z makes fun of how girls thought he was ugly until he had money
gay-z/cockafella = ...
better than big = never actually said
whole chorus = extremely labored, not catchy, not all that clever

not to be all "Hey, stop being unfair to Jay-Z!" but Ether is a boring punchline song and the punchlines don't even land.

Can agree that Ether is mostly silly playground name-calling but it's waaaaay better since Nas puts son in place on so many tips:

What's sad is I love you 'cause you're my brother
You traded your soul for riches

My child, I've watched you grow up to be famous
And now I smile like a proud dad, watching his only son that made it

Is he Dame Diddy, Dame Daddy or Dame Dummy?
Oh, I get it, you Biggie and he's Puffy

And your man stabbed Un and made you take the blame
You ass, went from Jaz to hanging with Caine, to Herb, to Big

Shawn Carter to Jay-Z, damn you on Jaz dick

How much of Biggie's rhymes is gonna come out your fat lips?

You pop shit, apologize, nigga, just ask Kiss

All that kinda stuff. Ether wins.

the large professor/tec on your dresser jab >

What's sad is I love you 'cause you're my brother
You traded your soul for riches

My child, I've watched you grow up to be famous
And now I smile like a proud dad, watching his only son that made it

Is he Dame Diddy, Dame Daddy or Dame Dummy?
Oh, I get it, you Biggie and he's Puffy

And your man stabbed Un and made you take the blame
You ass, went from Jaz to hanging with Caine, to Herb, to Big

Shawn Carter to Jay-Z, damn you on Jaz dick

How much of Biggie's rhymes is gonna come out your fat lips?

You pop shit, apologize, nigga, just ask Kiss

All that kinda stuff. Ether wins.

-- a-tron, Saturday, August 25, 2007 1:43 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

All the digs are kind of lame - Jay-Z looks like a camel, Nas wasn't really a thug. Yawn.

Ether is a better song, Nas is a better rapper, Ether wins.

Takeover is a much better jam

"jam"

http://dailyrefill.blogs.com/daily/images/20040618_11.jpg

qed

http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/tx/gallery/media/ap_jayz_macca_linkinpark_40.jpg

shaboy

Takeover all day.

Its not even close.

I voted Takeover. 2 things the Ether-boosters need to remember:

- Takeover was at best like the 5th or 6th most popular song from its album, there's really not a whole lot Stillmatic worth remembering or talking about besides Ether

- the Hot 97 call-in vote that people usually cite as proof that Nas "won" was between Ether and Super Ugly, so of course Ether won. curious how it would've turned out between Takeover and Ether.

Me too. I've always liked how Jay uses the first verse to set himself up as an unassailable force before he starts calling names, between that and the beat, which is some knocking-down-the-doors (npi) shit, "Takeover" sounds overwhelmingly confident, whereas "Ether" sounds withdrawn and petty.

jay-z had but 2 good lines in that whole half-dope gayne west track jack (every song he produced is overshadowed by what he stole ftw)

al: rewind, one mic-- jay needs a ghost writer in light of those trx that nas never cld have writ unless he banged some smack

ether is better than any jay song except hard knock life cuz of the chorus, u fucktards

nobody interjects shit within the chorus. that shit's crazy as a motherfucker

loool

like, im sorry that i have a thin skin or whatever? but i do, so maybe he should be the bigger man & not be a dick constantly?

― *kl0p* (deej), Tuesday, February 1, 2011 10:39 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

this is a beautiful post

u can get off my dick too

must be huge if you can fit all three of them on it at the same time

omg

must be huge if you can fit all three of them on it at the same time

― pf smangs (San Te), Tuesday, February 1, 2011 10:40 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dont deny the mountain lol

btw listening to take over right now this shit is

LAAAAAME

neither of these is as good as 'last real nigga alive' imo

which has the best combo of nas being super-butthurt/contemplative + 90s rap gossip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkH-x7yZagI

im not a huge 9th stan but this rmx was :O
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AT7A9aJHDw

doesnt rlly work with the rapping tho

I came across this old post which I feel is relevant to this thread's latest tangent:

I find the tepid initial responses to "G Thang" interesting, too. As far as I'm concerned, as someone a bit younger, there is no initial response because it's been ubiquitous for as long as I've been actively listening to music. Also, for me the g-funk era is kind of the heyday, as that was the dominant strain when I first started listening to rap. Sure there was the East Coast hardcore contingent, too, but you didn't hear that on the radio here and most of that stuff flew completely over my head when I was 10/11/12 anyways. I never got into Wu-Tang until well after the fact. G-funk wasn't a subgenre of rap to me, it was what rap sounded like, all the other things were the outliers. Of course, I'm sure a lot of this has to do with growing up on the West Coast during the peak of West Coast rap's popularity. Weirdly, or maybe not so weirdly, around 95/96 when I first started listening to the radio/watching MTV a lot, I probably heard more Southern rap than East Coast. I guess in those days it just as present as a few years later at the beginning of the "Dirty South boom" (but certainly not so much as today), but went mostly unacknowledged.

― The Reverend, Sunday, September 9, 2007 7:08 PM Bookmark

heh my experience was pretty much opposite yours Rev - when I first started listening it was illmatic and reasonable doubt, and then some talib kweli/mos def stuff, eminem. in fact, I would wager that I still probably haven't willfully heard a G-funk song.

I never even knew about either of those albums until the Blueprint/Stillmatic era.

The only East Coast rap songs I remember getting played on the radio here in 96 are "If I Ruled the World" (first Nas song I ever heard) and the singles from LL Cool J's Mr. Smith. From 97 on, radio here seemed a lot more friendly to East Coast rap though.

Well like 97-03.

I dunno if I ever actively listened to radio in middle or high school :/ I do remember stuff like puffy, juvenile, master P, busta etc. being popular in high school

I started listening to music and more importantly, paying attention to music in about '99. Inherited copies of The Score, Life After Death, It Was Written, Ill Na Na etc. from my sister as she fucked off around the world. First copy of the Source I bought had Redman on the cover. First copy of HHC I bought had Rah Digga and the Outsidaz on the cover (lol. also reviewed Operation: Doomsday and give it a perfect score and made it sound like something I would spend years looking for). Radio played Jay-Z, Outkast DMX, Eminem, Lil Kim, 'Special Delivery', Mos Def, Method Man etc. Westwood, once upon a time the only way to really hear new hip-hop was more likely to play Hot Boys or Iconz or UGK or Three 6 Mafia something weird* and Southern than something west tbh.

*or so it seemed at the time.

I know a lot of this comes from the fact that post-Pac's death was a pretty big lull in which the west coast tried to run away from Suge's mess but I just come from the exact opposite of where Rev did. And eh, none of that stuff seems to knock as hard or have as much charisma or rapping abillity or write lyrics as well as their East coast counterparts.

apparently the pic of Prodigy from 1988 was actually a pic of him from about 1982. thinking hiphop needs its own version of factcheck.org .

I've been fucked over, left for dead, dissed and forgotten
Luck ran out, they hoped that I'd be gone, stiff and rotten
Y'all just piss on me, shit on me, spit on my grave (uh)
Talk about me, laugh behind my back but in my face

this is just 4 lines of the same shit, and the first two are Seussian

"laugh behind my back but in my face" lol

p sure I said it before but Ether is the most disappointing diss Nas could have come up with, so many weak rhymes (literally, lines that do not rhyme properly) and those homophobic punches are just so beneath Nas

"Gay-Z and Cock-a-Fella Records", take it to the gaydiohead thread you doofus

"Takeover" is an actual fun good song with a memorable beat and hook that I actually listen to for outside of its context as a dis record
I can't imagine listening to "Ether" for pleasure

"laugh behind my back but in my face" lol

?? enjambment cut off there next line is "yall some well wishers, friendly acting, envy hiding snakes"

Nas might have been a good rapper if it had been somebody there to drop a flowerpot on his head every day of his life.

xp. yeah that bit is actually good lol.

terrible revive

nah it sucks dogg

I cut it off at 4 lines to end it where the rhyme comes in, not to suggest that this is where the line actually ended. he just repeats the same whiny shit in this verse.

"sticking to themes' A+

honestly neither of them are very good. I remember when they both came out, and Nas' was clearly superior simply because he brought a bazooka to a knife fight. the arguments in Takeover's favor about Jay's nonchalance & only mentioning Nas in one verse make sense to me now. the homophobic stuff in Ether obviously sinks it. but he definitely "won." I'm glad no one died this time.

Specifically both choruses are sooooo fuckin weak.

"takeover" rocks excuse me

it's better than Ether, but it's too long and the "LAAAAAAME" choir is... lame

"Takeover" is an actual fun good song with a memorable beat and hook that I actually listen to for outside of its context as a dis record
I can't imagine listening to "Ether" for pleasure
otm

still "Takeover"

and yet everybody I know IRL votes Nas, even my best friend.

Genuinely thought this was a Gang of Four vs. Bad Brains thread

xpost- everyone you know irl is wrong lol

lol Boring

i wonder what in-his-prime Jay-Z woulda done (if anything) with all of Nas's "King's Disease albums"

that's a two arthritic diseases every ten year average

Ofc ether gets ethered; the real challops is that takeover is the only good song on the blueprint

lol damn fine challop there as i just had to delete a longass post about how wrong it is

"ether" isn't and never was a good song. it's vicious, sure, but if you remove the homophobia there are maybe four bars left

slowly loading up this ammo
To explode it on a camel

My child, I've watched you grow up to be famous
And now I smile like a proud dad, watching his only son that made it
You seem to be only concerned with dissing women
Were you abused as a child, scared to smile, they called you ugly?
Well life is hard, hug me, don't reject me

Nas has been horrible for 24 years or so. The gross misogyny. The absence of humor. The guy is a cancer on hip hop.