Is Hans Joachim Roedelius a fraud?

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And what else can you tell me about him?

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Cluster, innit?
the lyrical one, to Moebius's skonks
nice combo if you can get it
Zuckerzeit might be the best one, Sowiesoso good too, plus Roedelius solo stuff

Paul, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

skwonks!
could at least learn to spell my own made up words

Paul, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I've only done Audiogalaxy-style experimentation with the Cluster catalogue, but I seem to the solo material better than Cluster itself.

What else can I tell you about him?
Well, he co-wrote "By This River", which is only like the greatest song ever.

Keiko, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

He's only a fraud for deserting the German army in the late 60s -- for which he spent 2 years in jail, so I guess he paid back society after all. Oh, but then he escaped into West Germany from East Berlin, so if you happen to be a way old-school Eastern German, he's a major fraud.

dleone, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I met him last year when he was playing at the Detroit Institute of Arts. he was a nice fellow, he seemed a bit shy.

Cluster stuff is nice. Also check the Cluster and Eno records, which I like better than the Cluster records. Very weird, angular deustcher grooves.

mt, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

or should it be sqwonks?

yes, of course the Cluster/Eno and Eno/Cluster stuff
Curiosum better than most of the entire IDM genre too
Roedelius solo - search: Selbstportrait 1 & 2 and Jardin Au Fou for starters

Paul, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I have his phone number in Austria somewhere in my e-mail files... He signed my "After the Heat" with a smiley face, when I saw Cluster at the Knitting Factory many years ago.

Joe, Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

His half of Cluster's Zuckerzeit is some of the most ridiculously poignant and wonderful toybox electronic music ever. And the Cluster and Eno stuff *is* really great - especially After the Heat. But Zuckerzeit is a must-hear.

Clarke B., Friday, 19 April 2002 00:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

seven years pass...

Wenn der Südwind Weht is going down well this evening.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 05:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

thread title is weeeeird

am0n, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 05:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

thats a dope album though

am0n, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 05:36 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's very nice, hadn't heard it before. (And yeah, weird but there ya go.)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 05:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

Really wish I could find copies of this stuff on vinyl.
Is it really sitting in German thrift stores, like it is in my dreams?

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 06:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

geschenk des augenblicks is the jam.

actually, i must be lucky because i've never heard a bad album by this guy. granted, i haven't heard any of the recent ones.

he seems like an interesting guy. he's like 10-15 years older than the other folks in the first wave of krautrock bands, no?

by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 06:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

most everything before 85 is easy to like

love Bureau B for the packaging on these reissues, they finally look as beautiful as the original LPs. already have all the original Sky CDs but kind of tempting to buy them again now

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 07:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

Bought vinyl copies (Sky records) of Dürch die Wüste, Wenn der Südwind Weht and Lustwandel a few years ago through ebay.de for a couple of euros a piece. They're all fantastic, especially in the evening with a book/paper/work to read/do. Only other release by him I have (besides Cluster/Harmonia) is the record he did with Tim Story, Lunz, which is great as well - sweet without being syrupy

willem, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 09:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

Got Wenn... yesterday: so easy to love, like most of his stuff.

Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 09:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

One of the nicest musical heroes I've ever met.

François de Roobabe (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 09:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

major fantasy of mine to be a german hippie living out on some pastoral commune, endlessly spinning roedelius records and celebrating freie körper kultur.

we would dance to regenmacher. any of his other solo material have a little groove to it like that one?

jerk orbison (another al3x), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 23:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

Selbstportrait 2 n 3 are almost always in my top ITunes playcount- those albums are so great.

this thread title is pretty wtf

twice boiled cabbage is death, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 23:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

plz to change thread title to is hans joachim roedelius a treat?

get a goal (rionat), Wednesday, 3 March 2010 00:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

Selbstportrait 2 n 3 are almost always

those two are near the heart of everything amazing about Cluster, really hoping Bureau B proceeds on to putting out unedited reissues. I like Wenn der Südwind Weht, but Fleig Vogel Fliege is even better & has never been out on CD

asking Roedelius in 96 if those two were ever coming out on CD, he said it was impossible because they were too lo-fi for CD. The Selbstportrait 1+2 CD that did come out on Sky a few years later leaves some of the absolute strongest, fuzziest, murkiest tracks off of #2 (it does contain all of #1, though it switches sides 1 & 2 in the track lineup -- I retagged my mp3s, the original vinyl makes more sense)

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 3 March 2010 00:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

we would dance to regenmacher. any of his other solo material have a little groove to it like that one?

― jerk orbison (another al3x), Tuesday, March 2, 2010 11:21 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

not many R. ones even have drums -- the closest to 'regenmacher' is 'langer atem' from Lustwandel, and some of the weirder tracks from Offene Turen. the Moebius & Plank (& Neumeier) albums are the really groovy ones for people who wish they'd gone further in that direction after Zuckerzeit, but really, every single album either of them did from 71-84, I couldn't live without

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 3 March 2010 00:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

too lo-fi for CD

uh someone send roedelius some times new viking cds stat

Gorgeous Ladies Of Curling (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 3 March 2010 04:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

six years pass...

so I've been listening to little else besides solo Roedelius these past few weeks and have come to a conclusion: what I like about Cluster and Harmonia is...Roedelius. I listen back to albums like Deluxe and Sowiesoso and what I hear, more than ever, is Roedelius as the dominant compositional voice, at least on all my favorite tunes on those albums.

No idea what the division of labor was on these records, but is it too reductive to view Moebius as the drifty / ambient guy and Roedelius as the melodic / rhythmic guy?

Wimmels, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 23:57 (four months ago) Permalink

I thought Moebius was more the funny noises / rhythm guy tbh.

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 00:01 (four months ago) Permalink

You may be right! I really don't know. The only solo Moebius I ever owned was that Blue Moon soundtrack thing, and I barely remember what it sounds like.

Wimmels, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 00:04 (four months ago) Permalink

"Zuckerzeit" usefully has 6 Roedelius tracks and 6 Moebius tracks to compare and contrast.

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 00:08 (four months ago) Permalink

And I adore the 6 Roedelius and appreciate but don't love Moebius' share. But "Sowiesoso" is perfect all the way through.

There's a handy compilation that came out on Bureau B a few years ago, "Kollektion 02".

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 00:39 (four months ago) Permalink

i really like his eyebrows

nxd, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 00:48 (four months ago) Permalink

an old dude i play poker with has similar eyebrows and a wonderfully smooth voice, gonna pretend they're related

nxd, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 00:52 (four months ago) Permalink

He is my favorite clusterer for sure, total hero

his eye is on despair-o (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 01:01 (four months ago) Permalink

Love Moebius too though, lest anyone think otherwaise.

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 01:28 (four months ago) Permalink

I'm thinking of picking up "Selbstportrait 2" on CD, the one put out by Bureau B in 2010, but there's an Amazon review that mentions this issue:

There's been a major mastering error on this release that replaces tracks 5 and 6 (Alle Jahre Wieder and Übern Fluss) with two tracks from Selbstportrait VI - The Diary Of The Unforgotten (Weg and Ausgewahlt).

I haven't seen this problem mentioned anywhere else. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 20 January 2017 02:38 (four months ago) Permalink

I can't speak to the CD audio, but comparing the Bureau B-sourced versions of Selbstportraits 2 and VI that are streaming on Spotify, there is no overlap between the two. And "Alle Jahre Wieder" is sublime, one of his best tracks.

J. Sam, Friday, 20 January 2017 04:02 (four months ago) Permalink

The Amazon reviewer said the error was corrected in the digital edition. No one's got the CD?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 21 January 2017 22:59 (four months ago) Permalink

I just checked the Bureau B Selbsportrait Vol. II CD. Track 5 audio is the last 90 seconds of "Hommage à Forst" plus "Weg". Track 6 audio is "Ausgewählt".

on the roof, Sunday, 22 January 2017 01:13 (four months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

http://433rpm.blogspot.com/2017/02/of-course-you-know-achim-roedelius.html

1980 cassette compilation of selbstportrait-era stuff. totally different than the LP compilation a few years later on Sky. many tracks that came out on this cassette before appearing on later LPs, so not only different track titles, but in some cases longer edits & two tracks I don't think are on any other album including that Archive 73-78 box from a few years ago (and even THAT didn't use everything from the tape transfers)

Milton Parker, Saturday, 18 March 2017 00:25 (two months ago) Permalink

Thanks!

To answer the OP's quandary, if a fraud, surely one in the same way as Harold Budd might be one.

Max Florian, Saturday, 18 March 2017 00:29 (two months ago) Permalink

wow thanks

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sleeve, Saturday, 18 March 2017 00:37 (two months ago) Permalink

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a but (brimstead), Saturday, 18 March 2017 02:25 (two months ago) Permalink

Thanks! Some great stuff posted there!

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 18 March 2017 03:11 (two months ago) Permalink


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