Joe Strummer : The Future is Unwritten

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So, the film is out and being praised and stuff.

The soundtrack CD sounds a fine thing, based on Joe's radio show and great tracks and stuff.

But after seeing Channel 4 news covering the film, I have great misgivings.

All the people lauding Joe up and that. Emphasising his humanitarian side. Do we really need another John Lennon style hero?

(my perspective: We didn't need the first one! I'm a fan of both of theirs' music and stuff. But let's not either worship them or go round picking out their faults and so on. Let them people be.)

Mark G, Friday, 18 May 2007 10:41 (sixteen years ago) link

They're apologising for hating and/or ignoring him thirty years ago in favour of Racing Cars or Mr Big.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 18 May 2007 10:48 (sixteen years ago) link

The photos of the launch party for this (Keith Allen, strippers, and myriad NME indie no-hopers) kinda reminded me why I fucking hate The Clash.

Dom Passantino, Friday, 18 May 2007 10:54 (sixteen years ago) link

Although Joe Strummer's death was worth it for the fantastic headline on Radio 1 news that day: "The lead singer of a band who influenced U2 has died".

Dom Passantino, Friday, 18 May 2007 10:55 (sixteen years ago) link

xpost but that's more a reason to hate Keith Allen, Julian Temple et al.

Mark G, Friday, 18 May 2007 11:10 (sixteen years ago) link

6000 posts on middle classes slumming it to follow.

Marcello Carlin, Friday, 18 May 2007 12:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Nah, that'd be like diverting an Ike Turner thread into one about how domestic violence is bad. We know they did it, it doesn't need discussing.

Dom Passantino, Friday, 18 May 2007 12:11 (sixteen years ago) link

exactly.

Mark G, Friday, 18 May 2007 12:20 (sixteen years ago) link

I'd be happy if Bono didn't show up in every other fuckin' rock documentary.

Jazzbo, Friday, 18 May 2007 13:13 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't understand how anyone can hate the Clash, so maybe I'm not the most reliable judge here, but I was reasonably critical of the last Strummer doc, and liked Westway to the World well enough, so I can say with some weight that this one isn't just a great Clash film but a great film period, and has real potential to change the culture.

It's not about hero worship: The movie really gets inside what it means to love the Clash, how loving them becomes a focus for enthusiasm about all these other things, and how one might appreciate what Strummer was reaching for in those later years, even if you didn't follow his career or care about the music at that point.

Fandom is a complicated thing.

Pete Scholtes, Friday, 18 May 2007 14:57 (sixteen years ago) link

That's more what I was hoping.

Mark G, Friday, 18 May 2007 15:02 (sixteen years ago) link

five months pass...

I've posted my interview with Julien Temple about Strummer:

http://blogs.citypages.com/pscholtes/2007/11/interview_with.php

It's playing in Minneapolis this week at the Lagoon, and tonight (unrelated) I'm going to see an all-female Clash cover band at Pi, the lesbian bar. Oh, and I quit my job last week!

He's in love with rock and roll whooaaah!

Pete Scholtes, Monday, 12 November 2007 01:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Mark Jenkins has a short interview with Temple at the Washington City Paper black Plastic Bag blog site. Temple says he never mentions the Give 'Em Enough Rope album because he, Temple, didn't like it!

I just saw the movie tonight. The doc was pretty good although I could have lived without the commentary from Johnny Depp and Bono. It's Strummer warts and all---he was not always a good guy and there's lots of sadness in the movie. Class issues are covered as well as Strummer turning on people he was friends with or played music with. Plus his going from hippie to pubrock to punk to rockstar to whirled music rocker. But there is also awesome 77 era footage of the Clash and fun later stuff with Joe as a dj. Julien Temple, apparently because Strummer liked campfires, has folks who knew or were related to Strummer plus celebs (John Cusack, Matt Dillon) sitting around campfires in NY, London, and LA talking about Joe. Temple incorporates stock footage--like from the animated version of Animal Farm--that sometimes works but not always.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 04:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Going to see this tonight!

roxymuzak, Sunday, 25 November 2007 04:18 (sixteen years ago) link

i liked the pre- and post-clash parts, i guess because i didn't know as much about them. the clash parts seemed pretty perfunctory, and of course too joe-centric (there's a sort of off-hand acknowledgment that mick wrote most of the music). i liked how it was sort of a post-rave revelation to joe that he'd been a hippie all along.

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 25 November 2007 05:12 (sixteen years ago) link

Perhaps they were Joe-centric because the film is about Joe.

roxymuzak, Sunday, 25 November 2007 09:35 (sixteen years ago) link

yes hence "of course".

i love joe, i just felt kind of bad looking at mick in the movie too. looked in rough shape a bit, and nobody was making a movie about him. there was a jones in strummer/jones! etc.

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 25 November 2007 09:43 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, faced!

But, it's not like Joe was getting loads of attention in his late years, either.

roxymuzak, Sunday, 25 November 2007 09:45 (sixteen years ago) link

i know. that made me feel bad. i like how the movie has the exact trajectory as "behind the music," except the crises are all sort of existential.

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 25 November 2007 09:48 (sixteen years ago) link

Why wouldn't Clash bassist Paul Simenon participate in the movie?

curmudgeon, Sunday, 25 November 2007 17:05 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah his absence was notable and unexplained.

tipsy mothra, Sunday, 25 November 2007 18:49 (sixteen years ago) link

My guess: The same reason "Give em enough rope" wasn't in it.

Mark G, Sunday, 25 November 2007 20:25 (sixteen years ago) link

They really gloss over a lot of Clash detail, and even a lot of Clash big stuff, because the movie is not about the Clash.

roxymuzak, Sunday, 25 November 2007 23:28 (sixteen years ago) link

I mean, I had to keep reminding myself of that, because I'd be like "What? We're already in Sandinista!?" and then realize he is only 26, and there is an hour to go.

roxymuzak, Sunday, 25 November 2007 23:29 (sixteen years ago) link

My guess: The same reason "Give em enough rope" wasn't in it.

-- Mark G, Sunday, 25 November 2007 20:25 (Yesterday) Link

Temple told the Washington City Paper's Mark Jenkins that he did not like that album (and I think that Joe was not that crazy about it). Are you saying that Temple does not like Simenon? I was guessing that it was the other way around.

curmudgeon, Monday, 26 November 2007 04:27 (sixteen years ago) link

for actual story-of-the-clash stuff, the don letts documentary is pretty good.

tipsy mothra, Monday, 26 November 2007 05:19 (sixteen years ago) link

What!

roxymuzak, Monday, 26 November 2007 05:20 (sixteen years ago) link

I mean, I enjoyed it, but it gets a lot of basic shit wrong!

roxymuzak, Monday, 26 November 2007 05:20 (sixteen years ago) link

It is nice that it includes the Bond Street footage, though. Lots of the footage is nice. Some of the info is wrong or out of order, etc. But yeah, I was being a little harsh, it's good that it exists.

roxymuzak, Monday, 26 November 2007 05:28 (sixteen years ago) link

really was stuff wrong? i didn't notice. it was on ovation one afternoon while i was cleaning the house, i guess i wasn't paying much attention.

tipsy mothra, Monday, 26 November 2007 18:25 (sixteen years ago) link

(this is probably true of lots of movies i recommend to people...)

tipsy mothra, Monday, 26 November 2007 18:25 (sixteen years ago) link


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