that's what i'm seeing. its like groundhog day. and anyway, sorry about these outbursts. i just thought nick was a bright lad and was above this kind of lame strawman-burning. my world is falling down here.
― John Splith, Friday, 22 June 2007 12:33 (sixteen years ago) link
seeing=saying
― John Splith, Friday, 22 June 2007 12:34 (sixteen years ago) link
i can sympathise with Nick's review quite a bit myself, even tho I like the odd SMD thing (but prefer Justice)
― blueski, Friday, 22 June 2007 12:35 (sixteen years ago) link
omg wait i just saw this:
It didn’t just get me into music outside of guitars and gripes; it completely changed my worldview. The saving grace of a seventeen-year-old shithead.
indie guilt-tripping much? 17 is laaate teens, btw.
― John Splith, Friday, 22 June 2007 12:39 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean, i'm certain (i'd like to see some hard proof already, fuck this kaffeklatsch shit) more people listen (and dance) to SMD/Justice/... than minimal or whatever irrelevant coccoon-like form dance gatekeepers like to retreat to.
Maybe where you live.
― jim, Friday, 22 June 2007 14:14 (sixteen years ago) link
well i dunno jim, where do you live?
― John Splith, Friday, 22 June 2007 15:01 (sixteen years ago) link
i can see how you might think no one cared about minimal if you only went to indie nights in crappy dives or some shit
― lex pretend, Friday, 22 June 2007 15:08 (sixteen years ago) link
Well minimal isn't hugely popular where I live but even so the biggest minimal night is still far bigger than the biggest indie-dance night (Villalobos plays bigger venues than Ed Banger).
― jim, Friday, 22 June 2007 15:09 (sixteen years ago) link
But you know, some things are more popular in some places than they are in others and you'd have to be a fool to state "no-one dances to this shit anyway" about any kind of music without some in-depth knowledge of global nightlife.
― jim, Friday, 22 June 2007 15:10 (sixteen years ago) link
i know right? even in london, which is where smd and a lot of people in this scene are based...they play fabric and so on occasionally, but villalobos, allien, ananda, mayer et al are the bigger nights. and a sjim says, this isn't even taking into account global minimal popularity!
― lex pretend, Friday, 22 June 2007 15:13 (sixteen years ago) link
don't see the connection...
― Ronan, Friday, 22 June 2007 15:20 (sixteen years ago) link
tsk, i thought we'd established that measuring a scene's popularity by club attendance/queue length was as silly as measuring it by record sales.
― blueski, Friday, 22 June 2007 15:30 (sixteen years ago) link
I hoped we'd established that a scene's popularity is moot in discussing the merits of said scene but maybe I'm too much of an optimist.
― jim, Friday, 22 June 2007 15:32 (sixteen years ago) link
i wuz gonna say, like
― Alan, Friday, 22 June 2007 15:33 (sixteen years ago) link
bonus disc tracklisting:
1. I Got This Down (Instrumental Version) 4:10 2. It's The Beat (Dub for Annie Mac) 6:36 3. Hustler (Club Version) 6:36 4. I Believe (SMD Space Dub) 6:10 5. Hot Dub 6:46 6. Wooden (Uncut)
i've not heard it. i've not heard the album, either, though due to this thread i'm considering it.
― Gukbe, Friday, 22 June 2007 16:21 (sixteen years ago) link
finally listened: this is really rather good, esp. 'Scott' which is what Orbital should've sounded more like on their last album or even better what a British MC should be burbling over on their own album.
― blueski, Monday, 16 July 2007 19:50 (sixteen years ago) link
and it really didn't sound particularly over-compressed on my earphones - no more than, say, 'Machine Says Yes' which it reminds me of a fair bit.
― blueski, Monday, 16 July 2007 19:51 (sixteen years ago) link
whoa 'i believe' is a great song
― deej, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 07:45 (sixteen years ago) link
"it's the beat" on through "hotdog" is especially murderous.
― Jordan Sargent, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 07:51 (sixteen years ago) link
no fucking mercury nomination who the fuck's responsible?
― pisces, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 09:37 (sixteen years ago) link
all the evidence points to this being a must-buy DESPITE my knights of cydonia-inspired reservations so graphically delineated above.
― Just got offed, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 16:37 (sixteen years ago) link
you can listen to extracts on bleep.com
― blueski, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 16:45 (sixteen years ago) link
louis maybe you could tell us again about your reaction to the knights of cydonia remix
― max, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 16:46 (sixteen years ago) link
"what a British MC should be burbling over on their own album."
not the sound of their blood running from their freshly guillotined head?
― Ronan, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 16:47 (sixteen years ago) link
r.i.p. lex.
― Jordan Sargent, Sunday, 23 September 2007 06:26 (sixteen years ago) link
its funny how snobbery transcends all genres
― bnw, Sunday, 23 September 2007 06:53 (sixteen years ago) link
i like this record but people dance really aggro to this shit in the club and i stopped going to hardcore shows when i graduated high school
― max, Sunday, 23 September 2007 08:19 (sixteen years ago) link
Hardcore is the new indie-dance. I played Sonz of a Loop da Loop Era - "Far Out" and the kids went NUTS.
― Spencer Chow, Sunday, 23 September 2007 12:14 (sixteen years ago) link
This is a good thing.
the very harsh Stylus review really brings this album's score right down on Metacritic
― blueski, Sunday, 23 September 2007 12:56 (sixteen years ago) link
I love how disingenuously wrong the Lex is up there, considering when we went to see Mayer and Ananda at Fabric we walked straight in, whereas Friday nights playing this sort of stuff have them queuing round the block.
(And to be honest what other way is there of judging the popularity of a scene other than gig/club attendance? I thought that was what a scene WAS.)
― Matt DC, Sunday, 23 September 2007 13:03 (sixteen years ago) link
'Wooden' sounds like a condensed version of something Mayer or Ananda would play - y/n?
― blueski, Sunday, 23 September 2007 13:16 (sixteen years ago) link
that's one of the tracks that most needs to be double the length really
― blueski, Sunday, 23 September 2007 13:17 (sixteen years ago) link
Not really, no. It borrows some of the same melodic flourishes but sonically - texturally and dynamically - it's totally different. I mean, it IS totally compressed in a way that doesn't really appreciate the sense of space you get on a big soundsystem.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 23 September 2007 13:27 (sixteen years ago) link
It's sort of the sonic equivalent of brightly-coloured cheap bits of plastic - and I'm not necessarily meaning that as a criticism because I'm pretty sure that was the effect they were going for. Cheap bits of plastic can be fun too and they're rarely intimidating.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 23 September 2007 13:32 (sixteen years ago) link
I dunno if I just have poor attention span but I liked all the first half of this album and none of the 2nd half!
― Colonel Poo, Sunday, 23 September 2007 13:35 (sixteen years ago) link
i agree in that 'Wooden' probably sounds worst in terms of compression and the intentional noise/hiss is a bit puzzling because it would sound a lot better if everything was a bit cleaner and purer. but it sounds to me a bit busier or i guess maximal than what i've heard of Ananda, not just because of it's shortness. i have the 'uncut' version on the bonus disc of remixes that came with the album at least.
― blueski, Sunday, 23 September 2007 14:00 (sixteen years ago) link
spencer did you go see them @ the echo last night? i was there and a fight broke out next to me and there was no room to like dance and i had to spend the whole time basically throwing elbows to prevent dudes from crushing my 5'4" friend. i actually thought their set was terrific--better than the record--but the vibe totally threw me off. maybe i just wasnt in the mood for insane aggressive dancing tho.
― max, Sunday, 23 September 2007 16:16 (sixteen years ago) link
"far out" is all kinds of classic tho, its hard NOT to go crazy when that gets thrown on
― max, Sunday, 23 September 2007 16:17 (sixteen years ago) link
probably the bad vibe is partly my fault, i should have stayed to the back where there was room to do dances that werent just jumping up and down rather than getting up to the front with the really drunk violent types
the light show was great too
― max, Sunday, 23 September 2007 16:18 (sixteen years ago) link
and your selectors for fabriclive 41 are...
01 Tomita - The Firebird – Infernal Dance Of King Kastechi [Clean Version] – SonyBMG 02 Sisters Of Transistors – The Don – This Is Music 03 Simian Mobile Disco – Simple - Wichita 04 Hercules And Love Affair – Blind [Serge Santiago Version] – EMI 05 Smith N Hack – Space Warrior – Errorsmith and Soundhack 06 Discodeine – Joystick – Dirty 07 Shit Robot – Chasm – DFA 08 Perc & Fractal – Up Tool – Kompakt 09 Metro Area – Miura – Environ 10 Worthy – Crack EI – Leftroom 11 Moon Dog – Suite Equestria – Roof 12 Fine Cut Bodies – Huncut Hacuka – Chi Recordings 13 Bentobox vs Chordian – Aemono - Imprimé 14 Jelo & DeadMau5 – The Reward Is Cheese – Rising Trax 15 Simian Mobile Disco - Sleep Deprivation [Simon Baker Remix] – Wichita 16 Popof – The Chomper [LSD Version]– Turbo Recordings 17 Raymond Scott – Cindy Electronium – Basta 18 Paul Woolford Presents Bobby Peru – Erotic Discourse – 2020 Vision 19 Moebius Plank Neumeier – Pitch Control – Sky Records 20 Plastikman – Spastik – Mute 21 Green Velvet – Flash – Relief Records 22 The Walker Brothers – Nite Flights [Album Version] – SonyBMG
― haitch, Thursday, 12 June 2008 09:11 (fifteen years ago) link
they played spastik and flash in their set at primavera which i thought was gonna be all live but was 70% DJing bah
― blueski, Thursday, 12 June 2008 10:49 (fifteen years ago) link
yup. dull as can be. i drifted over to Surkin which was sooooo much better but with a fraction of the crowd.
― Upt0eleven, Thursday, 12 June 2008 10:54 (fifteen years ago) link
does surkin even have an album out? i mean its not like he wont get the same full court press-press when he does, b/w when i saw kevin saunderson he dropped 'white knights two'
anyway this SMD album is so great
― deej, Thursday, 12 June 2008 11:17 (fifteen years ago) link
Max is OTM about them being so much better live than on record.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 12 June 2008 11:28 (fifteen years ago) link
smd still sucks, but there's great remixes of their tracks up on the shit robot and invisible conga people myspaces.
― etc, Friday, 13 June 2008 03:10 (fifteen years ago) link
I like that 'System' track from the 'Live In Japan' release. is the Clock EP any good?
― Cittaslow Mazza (blueski), Monday, 27 October 2008 14:22 (fifteen years ago) link
ADSR is alright, but the Sample And Hold ADSR remix album is better. The Joakim remix of Hustler and the Chrome Hoof remix of Clock are the best things they've released.
― Sbarrohawk (Mackro Mackro), Monday, 27 October 2008 15:56 (fifteen years ago) link
I was a bit surprised by just how hostile the Pitchfork review of S&H was... judged as a compilation album entirely on its own merits, it's not great, but it's hardly terrible, and well above the standards of most of these remix comps. And the Chrome Hoof mix really is great.
― Telephone thing, Monday, 27 October 2008 16:42 (fifteen years ago) link
hangover/apology for the good review they gave the album?
― skygreenleopard, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 06:28 (fifteen years ago) link