Ask Geir Hongro

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First of all, I did a comprehensive search as to whether this sort of thing had been done before, and I didn't find any such threads…nuke this mufugger if I am in error…

secondly, since Mr. Hongro has such easy to define (indeed, seemingly absolutist) views, I thought it might be fun to query him as to what is correct and incorrect in music and perhaps in all matters pertaining to creativity.

So…

1. When did what is commonly referred to as "classical" music lose the plot (I assume that this is what you believe)? Would you say that Stravinsky's "Rites of Spring" was the tipping point, after which melody was no longer emphasized, and dissonance took over?

2. Are any of the Native Tongues hip-hop groups (De La Soul, Tribe Called Quest, Jungle Brothers) worth anything at all? I cite them since they are regularly cited as "good" hip-hop by folks that do not like hip-hop ("that when hip-hop was good" "De La Soul knew their way around a melody" etc etc).

thanks in advance, Mr Hongro!

Veronica Moser, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

Geir's a big Mobb Deep fan, I believe.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

Geir do you really believe James Brown was a bad influence on music?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

X-Clan's "A Day Of Outrage, Operation Snatchback" while not necessarily the best rap song ever (that would have to be "Tip Drill"), is definitely a huuuuuge classic anyway.

Their second album was a huge disappointment, though.


-- Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 14 December 2003 11:52 (3 years ago)

Dom Passantino, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

Well, I don't want to speak for Geir, but your first question is kind of non-sensical and Geir doesn't seem to actually know much/anything about classical theory and composition anyway.

St3ve Go1db3rg, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

UNLIKE POPULAR INTERNET MUSICOLOGIZT ST3VE GOLDB3RG

ghost rider, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

Geir's favorite rapper should clearly be Slick Rick: his voice is very melodic!

nabisco, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

But maybe it's Gang Starr's "Lovesick" and the part of Kwame's "It's the Man We All Know and Love" where he sings Minnie Ripperton.

Wait, no, that's me.

nabisco, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

1. When did what is commonly referred to as "classical" music lose the plot (I assume that this is what you believe)? Would you say that Stravinsky's "Rites of Spring" was the tipping point, after which melody was no longer emphasized, and dissonance took over?

Around "Rites Of Spring", but even more with Arnold Schönberg. Debussy was fully acceptable, as were also Richard Strauss, Satie and Ravel.

2. Are any of the Native Tongues hip-hop groups (De La Soul, Tribe Called Quest, Jungle Brothers) worth anything at all? I cite them since they are regularly cited as "good" hip-hop by folks that do not like hip-hop ("that when hip-hop was good" "De La Soul knew their way around a melody" etc etc).

I don't hear a lot of melodies in those, and I think they are probably more likely to be cited by people who prefer a more "laidback" and less militant style. On the other hand, several of Dr. Dre's G-Funk productions were rather melodic and nice. My favourite hip-hop album is "All Eyez On Me" by 2 Pac, which is even in my Top 20 of best 1996 albums. Outkast are also quite good.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

First of all, I did a comprehensive search as to whether this sort of thing had been done before, and I didn't find any such threads…nuke this mufugger if I am in error…

wouldn't need to have been already done for this thread to be highly nuke-worthy

blueski, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

Geir do you really believe James Brown was a bad influence on music?

He was the worst thing to happen to music since Arnold Schönberg.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:42 (6 years ago) Permalink

were you glad he died?

jizzcannon, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

Is Chinese like a gutter language of dogs to you?

sexyDancer, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

were you glad he died?

No.

(And the damage to music had been done anyway)

Geir Hongro, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:45 (6 years ago) Permalink

UNLIKE POPULAR INTERNET MUSICOLOGIZT ST3VE GOLDB3RG

Well, I will have a degree in music composition soon, so I'd like to think I know a little bit. I'm just saying that it's weird how people talk about Geir like he represents this sort of caricatured academic classical musician or something but he never seems to say anything substantial about theory or classical music. But maybe that's just my incorrect impression.

St3ve Go1db3rg, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:47 (6 years ago) Permalink

GEIR HONRO IF NEILL FINN WAS BITTEN BY A ZOMBIE AND HAD BEEN TURNED INTO A ZOMBIE AND WAS ATTACKING YOU WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO KILL HIM TO SAVE YOURSELF OR WOULD YOU BE UNABLE TO KILL THE MAN BEHIND "WOODENFACES"?

Dom Passantino, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:48 (6 years ago) Permalink

He was the worst thing to happen to music since Arnold Schönberg.


Why do you say that? You like some other funk stuff that's influenced by James Brown don't you?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:48 (6 years ago) Permalink

I have done a bit of musicological studies, although outside the "basic" classical curriculum I concentrated on popular musicology rather than classical music theory.

GEIR HONRO IF NEILL FINN WAS BITTEN BY A ZOMBIE AND HAD BEEN TURNED INTO A ZOMBIE AND WAS ATTACKING YOU WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO KILL HIM TO SAVE YOURSELF OR WOULD YOU BE UNABLE TO KILL THE MAN BEHIND "WOODENFACES"?

As a pacifist, I refuse to answer that sort of question. :)

Geir Hongro, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:48 (6 years ago) Permalink

You like some other funk stuff that's influenced by James Brown don't you?

Yes, but it isn't because of the James Brown influence I like it.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

More like in spite of.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yo Norway, is this REALLY the best you can do?

Noodle Vague, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

So what is it that you don't like about his music/influence?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:50 (6 years ago) Permalink


Well, I will have a degree in music composition soon, so I'd like to think I know a little bit.

ghost rider, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

If you were stranded on a desert island and could bring 3 possessions with you, what ones would you choose?

Ronan, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

O R THEY?

St3ve Go1db3rg, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

Oh man, buried somewhere on my computer I have the beginnings of two songs I started for Geir: (a) "Song for Geir," which was like two minutes of not using the same chord twice (plus lots of 7th transitions and key changes), and (b) an electronic funk cover of "Talking to a Computer." I'd regret my lack of follow-through, but neither of them would have been as funny as I was hoping. Also I just haven't been quite that bored in a while.

nabisco, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

lol that's cute

Surmounter, Monday, 30 April 2007 21:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

" I'm just saying that it's weird how people talk about Geir like he represents this sort of caricatured academic classical musician or something but he never seems to say anything substantial about theory or classical music."

Naw, it's just that my man's views are absolutist, he knows what's right and wrong, etc etc, and I wanna be set straight. And I don't think my first question is nonsensical at all, given that many folks believe that Rite of Spring ended the "classical" era: Christ, all them people in Paris went batshit at its debut, since it didn't sound "melodic" and was primitivist and shit…

GH: What about JB's mid-late '50s, early 60s stuff like "Prisoner of Love" or "Its A Man's Man's World"? Stuff before he invented funk? is that music acceptable?

C'mon nerdlingers! Ask Geir a question! Let him dispense oracular wisdom!

Veronica Moser, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:00 (6 years ago) Permalink

do you get a boner from the decemberists geir? it seems like you should.

-- M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, April 30, 2007 4:50 PM (9 minutes ago)

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:00 (6 years ago) Permalink

Geir-

What are your favorite Nickelback lyrics?

Oink Administrator, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

What does The O.C. stand for?


* Overgrown Children - the type of people on the show.
* Orange County - an area of California.
* Oleander City - the city the show takes place in.
* Outrageous Chaos - a catch-phrase Seth uses a lot.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

lemme guess, you don't like food "touching" on the plate

sexyDancer, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

nabisco - post them! I imagine the first one sounding like bohemian rhapsody (which has something like 64 chords in it or something)

filthy dylan, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

Geir: Name the top ten heavy metal albums of all time, please.

NYCNative, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

also, Geir has a lot of standards not related to melody vs. rhythm. I've seen him dislike stuff for being overly sentimental or having a production that was too polished.

filthy dylan, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:08 (6 years ago) Permalink

SAY GEIR

How do you feel about jazz? Early jazz, with its overall simplicity and focus on hummable melody? Is Hard Bop, with its gospel influences and complex harmonies, worthy? What about fusion, with its comparative harmonic simplicity and return to simpler pop melodies?

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

And I don't think my first question is nonsensical at all, given that many folks believe that Rite of Spring ended the "classical" era: Christ, all them people in Paris went batshit at its debut, since it didn't sound "melodic" and was primitivist and shit…

Well, fair enough - I just meant that it's weird to talk about melody vs. dissonance as they aren't opposites, and there was plenty of neo-classicism after Rite of Spring (e.g. from Stravinsky himself), and there were plenty of earlier works that emphasized things other than melody. But I see what you're saying.

St3ve Go1db3rg, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

but he never seems to say anything substantial about theory or classical music

OTM. the predictably parroted opinions are never backed up.

blueski, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

I second NYC Native's question.

Jeff Treppel, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

has this turned into a lex thread yet?

That one guy that quit, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

I expect he has one of these already.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

Lex has never heard of Geir Hongro.

xpost

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

But the real important question is What are NYC native and Jeff's top 10 funk albums? ;)

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

geir: who has contributed more to the advancement of music:

1. brian wilson
2. paul mccartney

fact checking cuz, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

geir: what is the best chord change?

fact checking cuz, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

geir: how many chords should a song have?

fact checking cuz, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

geir: which is the better instrument, bass or guitar?

fact checking cuz, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

geir: kick drum or snare?

fact checking cuz, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

geir: melody or harmony?

fact checking cuz, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

geir: bass clef or treble clef?

fact checking cuz, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

thanks geir

ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 05:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

what is your favorite record sleeve?

colby, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 07:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

Geir, are there any more recent albums (say, last 10 years) of which you're a huge fan, but would consider the production "lo-fi"?

Depends on the definition of low-fi and "huge fan". But "Phantom Power" is one of my definite favourite albums by Super Furry Animals. I don't know if it was low-fi per se, but it was a considerably cheaper and rougher production than the ones before and after it. Still sounds great though.

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 10:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

what is your favorite record sleeve?

Probably "Tales From Topographic Oceans".

As for acts I am not necessarily a great fan of musically, I absolutely adore this recent sleeve by Danish postrockers Efterklang:

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 10:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

who is your favourite painter

colby, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 12:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

who is your favourite painter

Not very into painting, but I guess it might be Dali or Margritte or somebody from that age.

Weird and absurd, but strictly figurative.
Which sort of parallells my taste in prog and 60s psych pop: Weird and absurd, but strictly tonal.

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 12:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

Geir, what breakfast cereal do you eat?

― glumdalclitch, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 04:51

glumdalclitch, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 12:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

LOL We usually don't eat cerals for breakfast in Norway. More like slices of bread. :)

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 12:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh.

glumdalclitch, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 12:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

Who is your favourite 19th century German classical composer?

La descente infernale (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 12:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

Good name for your putative record label: Strictly Tonal.

Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 12:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

Who is your favourite 19th century German classical composer?

Either Schubert or Brahms. Would be Brahms if you count Schubert as an Austrian.

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 12:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

In the last 5 years where have you been on vacation and which would you say was the place you find the most relaxing?

colby, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 13:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

Good name for your putative record label: Strictly Tonal.

omg <3

ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 13:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

geir, being married to a norwegian we eat ribba (sp?) every year for christmas. Do you?

Get me two meatball sandwiches Utah, TWO! (chrisv2010), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 14:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

geir, being married to a norwegian we eat ribba (sp?) every year for christmas. Do you?

Yes.

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 15:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

In the last 5 years where have you been on vacation and which would you say was the place you find the most relaxing?

Several places, most of which were big cities and great but not particularly "relaxing". :)

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 15:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

(using other superlatives than "relaxing", I loved Rome, I loved Venice, I loved Barcelona, and - in spite of the weather - I always love London and Copenhagen. Hard to pick, really)

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 15:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

do you like the sound of birdsong or other natural 'non-musical' sounds?

colby, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 16:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

Ever fancied visiting Scotland, Geir? If so, what would you most like to see?

Algerian Goalkeeper, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 16:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

are you a side sleeper? back sleeper? stomach??

diamonddave85, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 16:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

tmi

ilxor you've listened to one odd future album once (ilxor), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 16:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

How big is your 'record collection'? The exact size in inches.

glumdalclitch, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 16:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

Geir, have you heard Ron Sexsmith? I get the impression he may be better known in Europe than here in America. I saw him the other night and thought his voice and songwriting (somewhere between McCartney and Costello) would be right up your alley.

Partyin', partyin', fun fun fun fun (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 17:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

Ever fancied visiting Scotland, Geir? If so, what would you most like to see?

I am a city guy, and I am sure Glasgow, Dundee or Edinburgh would all be nice. In spite of the weather. :)

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 23:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

Actually not too familiar with Ron Sexsmith other than the name. The cut above there sounds OK, but something about it sounds a lot more obviously American than McCartney/MacManus.

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 23:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

do you like the sound of birdsong or other natural 'non-musical' sounds?

I love birdsong this time of year because it means spring or summer. Otherwise not thinking so much of it. :)

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 23:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

geir are you single?

B1ll C4ll4h4n (symsymsym), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 23:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

when did Elton John get off the bus?

administratieve blunder (unregistered), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 23:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

when did Elton John get off the bus?

No idea, but his last touch of greatness was the "Too Low For Zero" album in 1983.

You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 24 March 2011 00:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

Ron Sexsmith is Canadian. And right up Geir's alley.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 24 March 2011 00:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, Ron's definitely "melodic" above all else.

Partyin', partyin', fun fun fun fun (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 24 March 2011 15:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

Escargot my hongro

Get me two meatball sandwiches Utah, TWO! (chrisv2010), Thursday, 24 March 2011 16:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

Geir, have you seen this movie?:

Kevin John Bozelka, Sunday, 11 September 2011 21:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

should he have?

diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Sunday, 11 September 2011 21:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

Geir, what is the earliest song or album that you would classify as Britpop?

giant glittering joyful returning elephant (unregistered), Sunday, 11 September 2011 21:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

Geir, which part of "Good Vibrations" do you prefer: choruses or verses?

giant glittering joyful returning elephant (unregistered), Sunday, 11 September 2011 21:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

geir you're in a large courtyard. to your left is a castle surrounded by a moat. a path leads north towards mountains. a fountain in the centre of the courtyard contains a skeleton. what do you do?

LocalGarda, Sunday, 11 September 2011 21:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

need to get geir on hard talk w/ stephen sackur

diouf est le papa du foot galsen merde lè haters (nakhchivan), Sunday, 11 September 2011 21:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

s sackur cracks me up

zvookster, Sunday, 11 September 2011 21:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

Geir, how do you pronounce gyros?

Chewshabadoo, Sunday, 11 September 2011 22:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

hongroes

mh, Sunday, 11 September 2011 22:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Feeling very hongroes.

Chewshabadoo, Sunday, 11 September 2011 22:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Geir Do you think this band would interest you?

Swedish band Ginger Trees is influenced by Porcupine Tree to Uriah Heep, Kula Shaker and Pink Floyd. Great melodies, especially in the vocals

Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 00:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

Geir, why don't you like the more avant-garde end of prog like King Crimson, Van der Graaf Generator and Henry Cow?

ban this sick stunt (anagram), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 08:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

when are you coming back?

Bee OK, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 06:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

Tom D (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 11:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

hah? and i just had a question for geir. well, almost.

t**t, Tuesday, 10 January 2012 21:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

best poster

hegel-lacan girl (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 10 January 2012 21:28 (2 years ago) Permalink


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