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I've never heard them. Should I?

― Poops Mcgee, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Yes. Definitely. The first five of records are ACE. Can't go wrong with those. Future Days is my fave record.

― nathalie, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Uh, yes, you should.

Search: The first six albums (Monster Movie, Soundtracks, Tago Mago (!), Ege Bamyasi, Future Days, Soon Over Babaluma).

Destroy: Pretty much everything else, although Landed has its moments.

― lee g, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Depends what else you like - but yes, hear them. All the world will tell you to get Ege Bamyasi or Tago Mago - But some of the later stuff is just as cool. I suggest the 2 disc Anthology (it's easy to find) -

Everyone else will fill in the rest.... I'm too tired.

― Dave225, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

The only Can track that has ever done something for me is "Animal Waves", one of the early instrumental world music tracks in 1977. Very intense atmosphere. Especially "You Doo Right" should be destroyed, bloody embarrassing chorus.

― alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Maybe my favorite band ever (along with the Fall). First 5 albums are ridiculously good. Any of them is a great starting point.

― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Search: everything they recorded from 1971 until 1975. I also like the early stuff, but IMO it just isn't on the same level.

Destroy: DISCO CAN! Otherwise known is just about everything post- Landed. I actually know a guy who claims this is his favorite period by Can. I believe him to be mentally ill.

― dleone, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

How about Can gone solo?

― Mr Noodles, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I still haven't heard TAGO MAGO (which -- I'm repeatedly told -- is their finest hour), but MONSTER MOVIE's pretty fantastic -- if only for the epic-length "Yoo Doo Right".

― Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

DLeone is on the money about the 1971-75 period, but sadly wrong about Disco Can. The idea (and sound) of aging rockprofs harnessing their sonic explorations to the thrill of the glitterball is fantastic. I Want More is monumental.

― Dr. C, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Also search: 'Delay 1968', pre-'Monster Movie' tracks which are punk as fuck and a major major source for the early Fall sound, 'Unlimited Edition', a collection of unreleased tunes that's got some essential early Malcolm Mooney-era songs, as well as quite a lot of self- indulgent old pony, and the 'Peel Sessions' rec., which I think is quite a good way into the post-Damo era. I even quite like 'Rite Time', the very late Mooney 'reunion' alb, and 'Saw Delight', which I think is far and away their most effective world/disco fusion disc.

'Monster Movie' is still my fave, tho' - and personally I LOVE the lyrics to 'Yoo Doo Right' (so does Bobby Gillespie - he pretty much lifted them wholesale for 'Movin' On Up'....)

Destroy: the mostly v. poor remix alb.

― Andrew L, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Nothing by Can is worth destroying, but everything else is worth searching out. Of course, only each note that they've ever recorded achieves "classic" status, since all of the other stuff is clearly dud.

― J, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

for some reason my mind has been reverse magnetized on CAN i think monster movie and tago mago are dull plodding rock and i only start getting excited as their career slides into the crirical doldrums and they go discotastic

― bob snoom, Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I agree with what most people have already said- Tago Mago, Future Days and Ege Bamyasi are essential. Moonshake is my favorite song and Tago Mago does more for me than any Pink Floyd album (with the exception of Piper at the Gates of Dawn). The live Can: Box Music is also fantastic.

― lou, Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Tago Mago does more for me than any Pink Floyd album

Isn't that the equivalent of saying, "This Nations Saving Grace" does more for me than anthing that John Mellencamp ever did." ..?

― Dave225, Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I'd take Mellencamp over The Fall.

Can is awesome. I wouldn't put them in the same "must hear" category as somebody like Kraftwerk, though. All the albums I have (thru Future Days) have both dull moments and great tracks. I kind of wish they'd been an instrumental band.

― Mark, Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Dave- Ok, so there are a lot of differences between Can and Pink Floyd. That was a pretty dumb statement to make, I admit.

― lou, Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Probably my favourite band. In order of how I like 'em : Ege Bamyasi, Unlimited Edition, Tago Mago, Soon Over, Future Days, Monster Movie, Soundtracks, Rare and Unreleased (just for the single B-Sides) and then the rest.

Ege mainly has shorter distinct songs which may be your cup of tea whilst Future Days is the proto ambient one.

― philT, Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

It's very unorthodox to say, but I think 'Soundtracks' is a great place to start. The songs are shorter, more focused, really psychedelic... and it's got "Mother Sky" - not short, but perhaps my favorite Can moment (but there really are a lot of great moments, and you should check the band out in any case). There are lots of people who are "early Can"-ers - the rocking, garage-psych THUDTHUDTHWACKTHUD stuff. Then there are plenty of mid-period fans - the weird, bubbling funky albums. I haven't heard anything past 'Soon Over Babaluma', so I can't comment on that period of the band.

― Clarke B., Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I kind of wish they'd been an instrumental band.
Absolutely the singing is the weak point. One reason that Animal Waves is so good is that no one from the band sings on it.

― alex in mainhattan, Friday, 12 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Totally disagree. Both Michael Mooney and Damo Suzuki are important ingredients to Can's sound.

It starts getting good from Soundtracks on. Future Days is simply awesome.

The whole disco period is ok, if you're a big Can fan, but I wouldn't start there (although I love Holger Czukay's "Movies" album).

― Braces Tower, Friday, 12 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I'm surprised to see so much praise heaped on Monster Movie. I don't like it at all -- I found it boring, pretentious, and vaguely embarrassing, and can't really imagine what people who like it so much are hearing in it. Perhaps I need to dig it out again and give it another try, but...

What I've heard of Ege Bamyasi and Tago Mago sounded appealing, especially the former.

― Phil, Friday, 12 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

i haven't heard it inna couple years to be sure, but there's this solo that erupts in the middle of "father cannot yell" which sounds like either a. a tape-slice glitch or b. karoli playing fucking backwards. it was then that i knew can were genius.

anyway, my favorite is still probably future days although everything they did has moments.

― jess, Friday, 12 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I guess some of you will find this funny but a band called The Creeping Nobodies will be opening for Damo Suzuki in Toronto next month.
How many Fall references can one squeeze into a bill?

― Mr Noodles, Friday, 12 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Search: the records that everybody else mentioned, and I should add that "Aspectacle" (from the s/t album, in their disco period) is actually pretty great. I'm fond of _Delay 1968_, too, in a different way.

Destroy: _Out of Reach_, which the band hated so much it's never been reissued, and with good reason.

― Douglas, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

i prefer th' faith healers

― bob snoom, Tuesday, 16 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

or ganger. in a similar vein to me prefering aphex twin to cluster and trumans water to faust. old music sounds old unless you are old (nothing WRONG with that!)

― bob snoom, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

8 months pass...

does anyone know whether Future Days is available on vinyl? has it ever been reissued? (maybe someone knows whether it will be sometime?) or is the only chance i have at obtaining a vinyl copy the 2nd hand shop or frikkin' ebay...

― willem (willem), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 12:14 (10 years ago) Permalink

5 years pass...

Tons of Can threads so might as well revive this one for this link -- Irwin Schmidt on food, music and democracy:

http://thequietus.com/articles/00813-irmin-schmidt-of-can-on-food-and-cooking-plus-a-recipe-tip

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 06:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

I know it's not meant to be any good, but the completist in me needs to buy a copy of 'Out Of Reach' - are any of the CD versions better or worse than others in terms of sound quality? I've read that, since it's been disowned and not officially reissued, the CD versions often come from poorly done vinyl transfers.
Any tips for which of the grey-area CD versions to try and locate?

Thanks

― krakow, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 13:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

If there's a Can forum or similar where such a question might also have been answered by knowledgeable geeks then please point me that way too.

― krakow, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 13:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

I dont know about sound quality, but there are several different versions floating around - at least in Europe. The one released by Audelic contains Out Of Reach and the self titled album and is pretty cheap, there should be also a more recent version from Cleopatra (!) that according our supplier's database should be easily available.

― Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 15:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

Thanks Marco. I didn't think to check for standardly available copies, assuming that the grey-area aspect would write them off, but I think I see the copy you mention, thought the UK distributor for Cleopatra isn't entirely clear and we definitely don't deal with whoever Synergie are ourselves. I'll try to see if maybe Cargo, F-Minor or PHD have it on their books.

― krakow, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 15:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think that all these versions are basically non-legit.
I saw the Cleopatra version is available through Bertus, a big Dutch supplier: I'm pretty sure all good UK distributors work with them.

― Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 15:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

Cheers, that will probably help to know. If I can get it through the shop that's a bonus as I have a lot of left over holiday pay to write off.

― krakow, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 15:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

add to search: the peel sessions - "Up the Bakerloo Line w/Annie" sounds like an acid trip. in a good way

― If you can believe your eyes and ears (outdoor_miner), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 16:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

I found it on a mp3 blog a few nights ago, Haven't listend to it yet.... not actually sure I want to. nothing worse than a bad album by a favourite band.

― my opinionation (Hamildan), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 17:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

Oh, I know it's not meant to be good. I want it purely for completeness reasons.

― krakow, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

Is it 'bad'?

Or just 'bad by their standards'?

― Mark G, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 08:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

It is truly and definitely BAD: the eponymous album has more than a couple of good moments, but Out Of Reach is pretty indefensible.
That said, I'm the proud owner of a copy exactly for the same reasons of Krakow. :)
The BBC album, instead, is marvellous and a fascinating glimpse into the band's compositional methods.

― Marco Damiani, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 09:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

The best things on it are the Rosko Gee songs

― Tom D (Tom D.), Thursday, 25 February 2010 10:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

8 months pass...

Anyone else think "Inner Space" is under-rated? I'm not sure it's up there with the canonical records, but it's close IMO.

― Neil S, Saturday, 20 November 2010 12:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

9 months pass...

first time I've heard the recorded version of this track

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 20:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

delay is ok... "the thief" is a banger

― fennel cartwright, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 23:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

Is Cannibalism worth bothering with? The remix of Yoo Doo Right sounds like warmed-over trip hop to me...

― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Friday, 7 October 2011 12:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

you mean Sacriliege? the Cannabalism albums are just compilations

― frogbs, Friday, 7 October 2011 13:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

Cannibalism 2 has a few of my fave Can moments (the crazy/fun Mother Upduff is supposedly a true story; Turtles Have Short Legs one of damo's best vocals; Shikiku Maru Ten also excellent wierdness)
the first Cannibalism is less essential if you already have the early Can records but there's a few different mixes iirc.
and yeah, Sacrilege had a couple pieces i liked but i only recall the Sonic youth one right now....

― epigram addict (outdoor_miner), Friday, 7 October 2011 13:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

cannibalism ii's just such a great listen - it's edited together so well, the first clutch of songs p much sync up & match jaki's drums up iirc.

― honest weights, square dealings (schlump), Friday, 7 October 2011 13:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

I never tried Cannibalism 1 since I have all the albums, plus I hate how "Yoo Doo Right" is the only full length piece there. Cannibalism 2 seems good but if you have Radio Waves and Unlimited Edition then it's kinda superfluous. Cannibalism 3 is a collection of solo material and it's actually pretty entertaining (though disappointing if you're expecting a lot of great instrumental stuff). As for the remix collection, I really thought it was a big wasted opportunity, you'll probably wind up liking 1-2 of the remixes and find the others a waste of time

― frogbs, Friday, 7 October 2011 13:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

Ah yes, sorry, I do mean Sacrilege. It's the 3p mix of Yoo Doo Right that didn't sound too great to me, some of the other remixers might do a better job though.

― good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Friday, 7 October 2011 13:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

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Long version of Doko E

― Brakhage, Friday, 30 March 2012 18:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

Errr I kinda regret posting that one ... was excited at the prospect of a long unreleased tune

― Brakhage, Friday, 30 March 2012 19:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

that Ogam Ogat release is pretty great. it really sucks that most of the live/archive material wasn't really well recorded, since a lot of it tears. can't wait to dig into some more

― Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Friday, 30 March 2012 19:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

holy wow at millionenspiel

― john-claude van donne (schlump), Saturday, 31 March 2012 10:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

CD 1
Millionenspiel
Waiting For The Streetcar
Evening All Day
Deadly Doris
Graublau
When Darkness Comes
Blind Mirror Surf
Oscura Primavera
Bubble Rap

CD2
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Whore
True Story
The Agreement
Midnight Sky
Desert
Spoon - Live
Dead Pigeon Suite
Abra Cada Braxas
A Swan Is Born
The Loop

CD3
Godzilla Fragment
On The Way To Mother Sky
Midnight Men
Networks Of Foam
Messer, Scissors, Fork and Light
Barnacles
E.F.S. 108
Private Nocturnal
Alice
Mushroom - Live
One More Saturday Night – Live

― Brakhage, Thursday, 26 April 2012 16:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

what's that?

― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 26 April 2012 16:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

can the lost tapes tracklisting i presume?

― tylerw, Thursday, 26 April 2012 16:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

WAAAANT

― Trip Maker, Thursday, 26 April 2012 16:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

wheeeeeeeeeen

― two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 26 April 2012 16:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'm enjoying just looking at those titles tbh

― tylerw, Thursday, 26 April 2012 16:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

GIVE ME IT

― bit.ly sno cone maker (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 26 April 2012 16:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

SEXY SEXY SEXY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HstvFGqu138

― tylerw, Thursday, 26 April 2012 18:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

OMG this is exactly the kind of thing I hoped would be on this.
JAMMING+MALCOLM!

― Trip Maker, Thursday, 26 April 2012 18:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

aaa deadly deadly deadly deadly deadly doris

― Crackle Box, Thursday, 26 April 2012 18:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

hahaha i knew just from the title that 'Deadly Doris' had to be a Malcolm.

― bit.ly sno cone maker (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 26 April 2012 18:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeahhhh judging from these samples ... album of all the years!

― tylerw, Thursday, 26 April 2012 18:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

deadly deadly deadly

― two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 26 April 2012 18:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Tödliche_Doris

― nerve_pylon, Thursday, 26 April 2012 18:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

i just put the release date on my calendar

― two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 26 April 2012 18:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

What is that date? I wanna do the same

― bit.ly sno cone maker (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 26 April 2012 19:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

Deadly Doris from the forthcoming Can album 'The Lost Tapes' released on Mute on 18 June (Europe) /June 19 (US)

PRE - ORDER NOW: http://bit.ly/can-thelosttapes

― two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 26 April 2012 19:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

kinda pricey though!

― two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 26 April 2012 19:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

June 19 is forever from now! Grr.

― bit.ly sno cone maker (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 26 April 2012 19:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah a little bit pricey. i assume there'll be places selling it for cheaper tho. amazon only has an "import" available for pre-order -- and that costs $75!

― tylerw, Thursday, 26 April 2012 19:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'll be paying to download, I think. Assuming that option will be available to the US.

― bit.ly sno cone maker (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 26 April 2012 19:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

thats a lot of unreleased material

― am0n, Thursday, 26 April 2012 19:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

I will probably pay full price for the 3 cd set. I can't say no to Can. I bought all those remasters, made me fall in love with them all over again.

― Trip Maker, Thursday, 26 April 2012 19:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

Did they ever release the box set of reissues? I was tempted, but decided to not pay attention to spare my wallet

― mh, Thursday, 26 April 2012 19:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

hoping and praying that "Alice" is the soundtrack of 'Alice in the Cities' - been looking for that one for ages

― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 26 April 2012 19:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

because ilx does not have enough Can threads

― caulk the wagon and float it, Thursday, 26 April 2012 19:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

i want more and more and more and more and more

― am0n, Thursday, 26 April 2012 19:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

xpost this thread has been running for ten years, what's the problem?

― bit.ly sno cone maker (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 26 April 2012 20:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

yaycan!

― scott seward, Thursday, 26 April 2012 20:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

anyone who complains about too many can threads ain't a can fan!

― scott seward, Thursday, 26 April 2012 20:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

― tylerw, Thursday, 26 April 2012 20:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

> because ilx does not have enough Can threads

I've long believed the large number of Can threads partly due to the similar-threads filter being ineffective for a band named "Can"

― Lee626, Friday, 27 April 2012 01:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

serious question: was early can VU- descended, or was it indepedent parallel evolution?

(cuz generally ppl weren't VU influenced much prior to 72-3, and it impresses the fuck outta me if can got there first, this side of the atlantic)

― mark s, Monday, September 3, 2001 8:00 PM (10 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I've always assumed it was a real VU influence. I will tend to continue that assumption even were Can to claim otherwise.

― bit.ly sno cone maker (Jon Lewis), Friday, 27 April 2012 16:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

Holger:

What were Can's main influences from the world of rock, as opposed to classical and avant-garde?
Everybody a little bit different. But mainly I would say the influence, for me, of the Beatles and Velvet Underground was most important. The Velvet Underground especially. They had something achieved which others didn't achieve. Even Jimi Hendrix didn't achieve that. One could have the opinion that this group is not able to play really properly right. They didn't get the right rhythm, they couldn't make a real tight rhythm. But the music was incredibly convincing. And this feeling made us encouraged, actually, to go on with rock music in general, instead of, let's say, making avant-garde academic music. Academic music was somehow finished by the audiences. Not by the musical idea itself. But we liked to do something without notation. We didn't want to read music off papers. We really tried to make instant compositions from the very beginning. This Can tradition actually achieved this very much when we played live.

― Number None, Friday, 27 April 2012 16:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

NYCers— Malcolm Mooney is playing tonight at Santos

― prior, Friday, 27 April 2012 18:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

super psyched on this lost tapes set. anyone know how limited it is?

i was going to pre-order for $55 (w/ shipping...); but do i feel like saving 15 bucks and chance-ing it in a store?

― dronestreet, Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

Pre-order it at any half-decent record shop and you'll be absolutely fine.

― only NWOFHM! is real (krakow), Thursday, 10 May 2012 23:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

$27 from Amazon7 from Amazon

― cwkiii, Thursday, 10 May 2012 23:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

oops

― cwkiii, Thursday, 10 May 2012 23:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

buncha can live footage, just put it on in the background and it sounds great

http://networkawesome.com/show/live-music-show-can-1970-1977/

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 6 September 2012 17:14 (8 months ago) Permalink

Curated by Markus Fiedler
Total Runtime: 1:24:50
Live Music Show, 70s, cologne, czukay, experimental, germany, improv, jam, kraut, rock

Dead Lock (1970)
Mother Sky (1970)
Paperhouse (1972)
Spoon (1972)
Intermission: News Report from 1971
Bring Me Coffee Or Tea (1972)
Vitamin C (1972)
Sing Swan Song (1973)
I'm Too Leise (1974)
Vernal Equinox (1975)
I Want More (1976)
Don't Say No (1977)
Dizzy Dizzy (1977)

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 6 September 2012 17:14 (8 months ago) Permalink

bump

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 6 September 2012 18:47 (8 months ago) Permalink

yeah this is grrrrrreat

― tylerw, Thursday, 6 September 2012 19:21 (8 months ago) Permalink

what's up with the juggler tho. was he in the band?

― tylerw, Thursday, 6 September 2012 20:10 (8 months ago) Permalink

watching Irmin Schmidt play is so fun

― tylerw, Thursday, 6 September 2012 20:41 (8 months ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

A little Xmas ditty from Can.

http://youtu.be/iInAuoio-pQ

― nickn, Saturday, 29 December 2012 10:25 (4 months ago) Permalink

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