No reflection on Kenney, but you have to wonder how another drummer, one with a big "personality," would have had.
― i'll mitya halfway (mitya), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tom D. (Dada), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― i'll mitya halfway (mitya), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tom D. (Dada), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― i'll mitya halfway (mitya), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:47 (seventeen years ago) link
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― i'll mitya halfway (mitya), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link
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― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:51 (seventeen years ago) link
And the bit of the history that I don't know - I'm not really a huge Who fan - is what where Townshend et al was personally during that period. Etc etc etc.
I just got thinking about it today when "Eminence Front" shuffled up on the iPod after "Borstal Boys."
― i'll mitya halfway (mitya), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 19 January 2007 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― M@tt He1g3s0n: oh u mad cuz im stylin on u (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:03 (seventeen years ago) link
Available at the time? I don't know.
But imagine if, for example, they couldn't come up with a replacement and asking John Bonham to sit in. (Think, I don't know, "Carouselambra" shuffling up instead of "Borstal Boys" - more interesting, isn't it?)
My point is not so much to dream up so classic rock supergroup. It just seems strange from a musical point of view (although I'm not a drummer, so what do I know.) Maybe the bottom line is that drummer really doesn't matter.
― i'll mitya halfway (mitya), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tom D. (Dada), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:07 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tom D. (Dada), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:10 (seventeen years ago) link
I also shouldn't be assuming that it was all Townshend's say. Daltrey and Entwistle could've seen him as a good way to anchor Pete into good old' ten songs of four and half minutes each of hard Rock and none of this song-suite crap.
― i'll mitya halfway (mitya), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― The Redd And The Blecch (Ken L), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― i'll mitya halfway (mitya), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― M@tt He1g3s0n: oh u mad cuz im stylin on u (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link
Of course, that's a total guess!
― QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 19 January 2007 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― White Dopes on Punk (Bimble...), Friday, 19 January 2007 21:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 19 January 2007 21:22 (seventeen years ago) link
*runs and hides under a big stack of pretty things records*
― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 19 January 2007 21:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― M@tt He1g3s0n: oh u mad cuz im stylin on u (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 19 January 2007 22:09 (seventeen years ago) link
Anyway, I came across this song in my random playlist just now and got to thinking how much Scott is right. I am embarassed to say the Stones do virtually nothing at all for me, never have done, outside of a few late 70's/early 80's singles/hits.
The Who win hands down. And I might pull out "Sell Out" tonight, just because I haven't heard it in a few years at least.
Anyway, I'll leave this thread for people who care what drummer the Who had in 1978. That doesn't include me. That was the one album by The Who I didn't buy, actually - "Who Are You?". I like the title track, but I tried to listen to that in the store once and I was like "no way". So yeah, that was absolutely the only Who album I never owned, including comps.
― White Dopes on Punk (Bimble...), Saturday, 20 January 2007 03:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 20 January 2007 03:50 (seventeen years ago) link
http://youtube.com/watch?v=URFbwUkBrjA
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 20 January 2007 03:55 (seventeen years ago) link
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dFNa4SRZhIk
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 20 January 2007 04:02 (seventeen years ago) link
I was just wondering about that YESTERDAY. Mick Avory was the drummer before Charlie, of course...
― Tim Ellison = NUMBER ONE ADVOCATE OF YOU-KNOW-WHAT ON NU-ILX!!! (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 20 January 2007 04:07 (seventeen years ago) link
― White Dopes on Punk (Bimble...), Saturday, 20 January 2007 04:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― White Dopes on Punk (Bimble...), Saturday, 20 January 2007 04:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― i'll mitya halfway (mitya), Saturday, 20 January 2007 06:13 (seventeen years ago) link
Worse, I daresay.
But that aside, why does anyone care who plays drums with The Who nowadays? It's not going to change the fact that they stink.
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Saturday, 20 January 2007 06:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― The Redd And The Blecch (Ken L), Saturday, 20 January 2007 07:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― The Redd And The Blecch (Ken L), Saturday, 20 January 2007 07:50 (seventeen years ago) link
Well that's a kneejerk attempt to be cool if I ever heard one - you haven't even heard the new album have you? Admit it.
― White Dopes on Punk (Bimble...), Saturday, 20 January 2007 07:51 (seventeen years ago) link
2. Townshend apparently chose Jones because he decided that any Who without Moon would need to be a new Who, one that would feature a more conventional drummer. The Ox also apparently said that it was novel to play with a solid drummer, but it was Daltrey who apparently never cared for Jones, which is odd cuz I would think their personalities were similar enough (both seem to be essentially normal dudes) to be complementary.
I like the Who just fine with Kenney: its too bad they ditched him in 1989.
3. I love that "Carouselmbra" is a meme on ILM.
4. The 5 or 6 songs I've heard from Endless Wire are feeble, and "Mirror Door" is absolutely pathetic.
― veronica moser (veronica moser), Saturday, 20 January 2007 12:52 (seventeen years ago) link
daltrey always hated kenney's playing, from day one, and was very vocal about it. but he'd always say something like, "it nothing personal. we're great friends. i just can't stand his playing."
i could never stand simon phillips. the hackiest hack who ever hacked.
I mean, he was in the small faces before the faces, and some that drumming -- "Get Yourself Together" and those early R&B throw downs -- is fuckin' nasty and unhinged. At the same time, he has his own, more solid style. So, if I Townsend, I'm thinking, "Jones will help give us a new sound in the studio, but he will also be able to keep up, when we play the older stuff on our next world tour."
absolutely OTM
but daltrey's claim was that the only reason pete asked kenney to join was because they were drinking partners. and given how much pete was drinking at the time, he probably saw jones more than he saw his own family.
― Lawrence the Looter (Lawrence the Looter), Saturday, 20 January 2007 15:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― M@tt He1g3s0n: oh u mad cuz im stylin on u (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 20 January 2007 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link
on that clip, THE OX is fucking pwning the whole world on bass, dude was so badass.
― M@tt He1g3s0n: oh u mad cuz im stylin on u (Matt Helgeson), Saturday, 20 January 2007 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Saturday, 20 January 2007 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:03 (seventeen years ago) link
i don't think he's ever said that kenney wasn't a good choice -- actually, he's staunchly defended kenney whenever an interviewer brings the subject up -- but rather that the band should've stopped after moon's death instead of carrying on. he's also said they should've stopped after the who by numbers (supposedly he was done with the who at the end of '76, but the others desperately wanted/needed to carry on); and that the band should've stopped the day after the cincinnati tragedy.
― Lawrence the Looter (Lawrence the Looter), Saturday, 20 January 2007 21:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― i'll mitya halfway (mitya), Sunday, 21 January 2007 08:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― White Dopes on Punk (Bimble...), Sunday, 21 January 2007 09:14 (seventeen years ago) link
one of the most surprising things in Townshend's autobio was the revelation that after Moon died, Phil Collins was one of the drummers who offered to fill in. would've liked to hear what that'd sound like.
― not pop, shambhala, where to buy weed (some dude), Sunday, 20 July 2014 20:55 (nine years ago) link
http://youtu.be/v-ErHX4IEIA
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 July 2014 21:11 (nine years ago) link
uh Midge Ure on co-lead guitar
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 20 July 2014 22:12 (nine years ago) link
Mick Karn on bass? What the hell is this?
― Iago Galdston, Sunday, 20 July 2014 22:14 (nine years ago) link
damn, Phil is jamming that clip
― not pop, shambhala, where to buy weed (some dude), Sunday, 20 July 2014 23:52 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, but Phil wasn't a mod. Kenney had a history with the Who, from touring together (he and Keith once played "Magic Bus" together on the same kit) to playing on most of the Tommy soundtrack. Great as Phil was, they barely knew the guy.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 21 July 2014 04:24 (nine years ago) link
Not a mod? B-but he was in A Hard Day's Night:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiKj007MA0g
― dow, Monday, 21 July 2014 04:36 (nine years ago) link
i get WHY Phil wasn't the choice (and it's hard to imagine him juggling Genesis, the solo career AND the Who throughout the 80s), i'm just saying it's an interesting scenario to imagine.
― not pop, shambhala, where to buy weed (some dude), Monday, 21 July 2014 12:45 (nine years ago) link
I can't think of many moments of Collins as sessioneer when he hasn't shone.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 July 2014 13:27 (nine years ago) link
The Sessioneer Shone would be a good title for a compilation of his sideman work
― not pop, shambhala, where to buy weed (some dude), Monday, 21 July 2014 13:50 (nine years ago) link
That video cracks me up-Pete looking like he is going to sit in later with Ultravox, and Collins ready to go for the Jimmy Buffett set.
― campreverb, Monday, 21 July 2014 14:33 (nine years ago) link
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, July 21, 2014 5:24 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Not sure about Collins during the 60s, do know that the Action are one of his all time favourite bands and he seemed to have a predeliction for 60s soul too which might suggest he was at least leaning toward mod. THink he may have been too young to be actively involved in any mid 60s scene. Not sure how old he was when he was in Flaming Youth
― Stevolende, Monday, 21 July 2014 14:42 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, I realized after dow's AHDN post that Phil was too young to be a mod (he was 13 in 1964). And while Phil no doubt dug mod sounds, Jones and the rest of the Who came up through (and helped define) mod culture itself. So the Who and Jones felt a kinship that Phil couldn't have shared, largely due to the age difference.
That said, yeah, it would've been fascinating to hear Phil play with the Who. And it could've happened; Daltrey's idea was that the Who would have a revolving door of drummers, but Townshend shot him down and insisted on Jones. The irony is that Phil really seemed to love the Who, while Jones, by his own admission, only knew the hits when he joined.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 21 July 2014 14:56 (nine years ago) link
Pete and Phil both played on Paul McCartney's Press to Play album as well!
http://www.maccafan.net/Albums/PressToPlay/Friends.jpg
http://www.maccafan.net/Albums/PressToPlay/Friends2.jpg
― bus people are fine broad thinkers (soref), Monday, 21 July 2014 15:41 (nine years ago) link
that is an amazing prince's trust clip.
― akm, Monday, 21 July 2014 17:48 (nine years ago) link
"Angry" is by far the worst song on that album.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:28 (nine years ago) link
― Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:28 (nine years ago) link
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, July 21, 2014 10:56 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
a poignant bit from Pete's book about the period after Face Dances when Roger wanted Kenney out:
"Why was this new system not working for Roger? Roger literally used to dance to Keith's drums. He was balletic in his upper-body movements, just as I was balletic sometimes in my leaps and splits. (I once said to Roger that if you could combine his torso with my legs you'd have a hell of a man.) But when Kenney joined the band, Roger couldn't dance to the music any more. He claimed that Keith had always followed the vocal line, and that he in turn followed Keith. And Keith was gone."
― not pop, shambhala, where to buy weed (some dude), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:45 (nine years ago) link
Roger otm
― Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:47 (nine years ago) link
Dig Roger here at 1:33 demonstrating Keith playing with the vocal:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLMc6J9h3mU
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:53 (nine years ago) link
Can Pete come out already
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 July 2014 18:56 (nine years ago) link
i mean he's pretty open about his attraction to Jagger and other men in the book. if he'd acted on those impulses, it's difficult to imagine he'd hold back given how detailed the book is about everything else that ever happened to him.
― not pop, shambhala, where to buy weed (some dude), Monday, 21 July 2014 19:00 (nine years ago) link
wouldn't count on it some dude, have you seen how he walked back 'Rough Boys'?
― campreverb, Monday, 21 July 2014 19:06 (nine years ago) link
The explanation is so goddamn gnarled
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 July 2014 19:14 (nine years ago) link
oh god, rog playing back the vocals and drums to behind blue eyes and just being totally joyful <3
― a biscuit/donut hybrid called “bisnuts” (stevie), Monday, 21 July 2014 20:24 (nine years ago) link
Wasn't there someone he dun it with in his book? I forget who, boom boom.
― Mark G, Monday, 21 July 2014 23:32 (nine years ago) link
i haven't finished it yet, jeez spoiler alert much
― not pop, shambhala, where to buy weed (some dude), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 11:27 (nine years ago) link
It's OK, it wasn't Basil Brush really.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 11:30 (nine years ago) link