This is the thread were you explain Steely Dan lyrics to me

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"My Old School" - where the hell is annandale, and why/how would one take a wolverine there? Is the narrator of the song an estranged boyfriend (not good enough for the girl "living like a gypsy queen in a fairytale")? According to wikipedia Annandale is a river in Scotland, I don't get how that ties to William and Mary, oleanders, or Guadalajara.

also where is "Barrytown"

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link

barrytown is near bard college, i think

a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Bard is in Annandale on Hudson
The Wolverine was the name of the train that went there.
Barrytown is the next town over.

mizzzell (mizzzell), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link

they're in upstate new york

mizzzell (mizzzell), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Becker and Fagen (and Chevy Chase) attended Bard, if that needs to be spelled out, too.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

is "learn to work the saxophone" a euphemism?

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link

is there gas in the car?

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link

yes, there's gas in the car.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Is Crimson Tide communicable?

J. Grizzle (trainsmoke), Thursday, 16 November 2006 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link

okay, a different question - "Black Friday" is pretty straightforward but where/what is Muswellbrook?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 November 2006 19:09 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.steelydandictionary.com/

mucho (mucho), Thursday, 16 November 2006 19:11 (seventeen years ago) link

ay carumba

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 November 2006 19:13 (seventeen years ago) link

what the hell are the backup singers saying in their repeated refrain on "Show Biz Kids"? "Lost wages"?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 November 2006 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link

DELIBERATELY AMBIGUOUS

bernard snowy (sixteen sergeants), Thursday, 16 November 2006 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

It's "Go to Lost Wages," right?

From the Moon to Pluto Back Down to Earth (Rrrickey), Thursday, 16 November 2006 19:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Muswellbrook is in Australia (or new zealand) if I remember correctly, when writing the song, they just spun the globe around and tried to find somewhere that:

1. Was very far away from NYC

2. Rhymed with "book"

Ash (ashbyman), Thursday, 16 November 2006 19:41 (seventeen years ago) link

"It's "Go to Lost Wages," right?"

meaning... Vegas?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 November 2006 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

"is there gas in the car?" = there better be, because the people down the hall might know you're a criminal and you might need to go on the run at the drop of a hat.

gear (gear), Thursday, 16 November 2006 19:49 (seventeen years ago) link

"I stepped up on the platform, the man gave me the news..."

For years, until I happened to see a transcription of the lyric, the way Fagen pronounces that last word ("nooze") made me assume that the protagonist was about to be hung. 'Cause over on this side of the Atlantic, we say "nyooz".

Palomino (Palomino), Thursday, 16 November 2006 20:27 (seventeen years ago) link

that, and the cops caught him after he ran out of gas

xpost

bernard snowy (sixteen sergeants), Thursday, 16 November 2006 20:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Not concerning lyrics, but..
On Phil Hartman's wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Hartman)
it says he was a graphic designer who made album covers inlcuding Aja. My copy doesn't mention his name; but is there any truth to it?

mizzzell (mizzzell), Thursday, 16 November 2006 21:03 (seventeen years ago) link

^^i've heard that is true. A&E seems to think so. I think he did cover art for Poco too, right?

J. Grizzle (trainsmoke), Thursday, 16 November 2006 21:16 (seventeen years ago) link

If anyone's really interested, here's some info about the origins of "My Old School." Or maybe this is way more than anyone could possibly want to know, in which case I apologize.


http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1174152_7|63358||0_0_,00.html

Rose Darling (RBrunner), Thursday, 16 November 2006 21:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Not concerning lyrics, but..
On Phil Hartman's wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Hartman)
it says he was a graphic designer who made album covers inlcuding Aja. My copy doesn't mention his name; but is there any truth to it?

holy shit! steely dan and SNL connections run deep!

M@tt He1geson: Sassy and I Don't Care Who Knows It (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 16 November 2006 21:30 (seventeen years ago) link

great EW article - thx!

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 November 2006 21:35 (seventeen years ago) link

is the narrator of "everyone's gone to the movies" a pornographer? or a pedo?

is the 2nd person in "kid charlemagne" a prostitute, or a drug dealer?

kyle gorman (killabee), Thursday, 16 November 2006 22:13 (seventeen years ago) link

"is the narrator of "everyone's gone to the movies" a pornographer? or a pedo?"

I've always taken it as both. one of the creepiest songs ever.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 November 2006 22:15 (seventeen years ago) link

"take off your cheaters and sit right down"

I always thought he was saying "chinos", 'cause Mr. LaPage wasn't beating around the bush

Will (will), Thursday, 16 November 2006 22:28 (seventeen years ago) link

"Kid Charlemagne" is about legendary 'LSD millionaire' Owsley Stanley.

Good-Time Slim, Uncle Doobie, and the Great 'Frisco Freak-Out (sixteen sergeants, Thursday, 16 November 2006 23:34 (seventeen years ago) link

They really blew their chance to call it "The Steely Dankshionary"

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 16 November 2006 23:37 (seventeen years ago) link

What is Aja about? Where is there a dude ranch above the sea with banyan trees and Chinese music? It sounds like some sort of hippie drug resort but I dunno.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 16 November 2006 23:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Aja is about "the pleasure that can come of a quiet relationship with a beautiful woman" (paraphrasing)

Source, D. Fagen, "The Making of Aja" (DVD)

bangelo (bangelo), Friday, 17 November 2006 00:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Up on the hill
People never stare
They just don't care
Chinese music under banyan trees
Here at the dude ranch above the sea
Aja
When all my dime dancin' is through
I run to you

Up on the hill
They've got time to burn
There's no return
Double helix in the sky tonight
Throw out the hardware
Let's do it right
Aja
When all my dime dancin' is through
I run to you

Up on the hill
They think I'm okay
Or so they say
Chinese music always sets me free
Angular banjoes
Sound good to me
Aja
When all my dime dancin' is through
I run to you

gear (gear), Friday, 17 November 2006 00:25 (seventeen years ago) link

sort of incidentally, is it sort of an 'open secret' that becker wrote the aja liner notes (and also can't buy a thrill, probably)? I guess I've always just assumed as much

bangelo (bangelo), Friday, 17 November 2006 00:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I didn't know that Chevy Chase could play drums. I find that incredibly weird.

J (Jay), Friday, 17 November 2006 02:02 (seventeen years ago) link

"cheaters", as in capos?

kyle gorman (killabee), Friday, 17 November 2006 02:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha, then what's "throw out the hardware, let's do it right" -- sex free of toys?

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 17 November 2006 02:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I noticed the Muswellbrook reference in 'Black Friday' just the other week (recent convert to Steely Dan thanks to a mate of mine).

I guessed that they'd picked it out of an atlas, because they pronounce it wrong. The 'w' is silent, the locals say 'Muzzlebrook'.

scriblerus (mike lynch), Friday, 17 November 2006 03:35 (seventeen years ago) link

BTW, I'd almost guarantee that a band as smart as Steely Dan are being a little coy when they give you a one-sentence explanation of what a song is about.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 17 November 2006 03:37 (seventeen years ago) link

"cheaters", as in capos?

cheaters are eyeglasses

sigh, this thread...

lsd sky chefs (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 17 November 2006 05:29 (seventeen years ago) link

It's "Go to Lost Wages," right?

No, it's "That's the way it is"

whatever (boglogger), Friday, 17 November 2006 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Some things will never change.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 17 November 2006 16:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I've asked this before: What is up with "Brooklyn Owes The Charmer Under Me"?? Even the title is just plain weird.

Myonga Von Bodhisattva (M. Agony Von Bontee), Friday, 17 November 2006 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

"Actually they are saying 'Go to Las Vegas' but they are mispronouncing it in the way that Lenny Bruce used to mispronounce on purpose, saying 'lost wages'." - Walter Becker

from http://www.steelydan.com/bbc.html

Chuck Keller (c keller), Saturday, 18 November 2006 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Derek: What is the meaning behind "the caves of Altamira?"

Donald: It's a pretty straightforward story about a guy who visits the caves of Altamira which have famous drawings by prehistoric men or women as the case may be, and he registers his astonishment

Walter: It's a story about the loss of innocence.

gear (gear), Sunday, 19 November 2006 00:05 (seventeen years ago) link

A handy guide to what some of their songs are about:

“Kid Charlemagne”: LSD chemist Stanley Owsley (maybe)
“Hey Nineteen”: an older man’s affair with a college girl
“Dr. Wu”: a heroin dealer
“Chain Lightning”: a conversation among gangsters (maybe)
“Fire in the Hole”: a nervous breakdown
“Black Cow”: a girlfriend’s drug problem
“Josie”: a gang-bang
“The Boston Rag”: a memorable college party
“The Caves of Altimira” : a childhood refuge
“Third World Man” : a man barricaded in his house
“Brooklyn”: a noisy neighbor
“Barrytown”: prejudice
“Pearl of the Quarter”: a prostitute
“Charlie Freak”: a homeless man
“The Fez”: birth control

Also, Cathy Berberian ("Your Gold Teeth") is an opera singer who was flattered (if puzzled) at being mentioned in a pop song. A roulade is a rapid run of several notes sung to one syllable of a lyric.

And, a bodhisattva is a future Buddha who, out of compassion, forgoes nirvana in order to save others.

Dan Heilman (The Deacon), Sunday, 19 November 2006 02:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh whoops, I thought "Chain Lightning" was about a circle jerk.

Some turnout, a hundred grand
Get with it we'll shake his hand
Don't bother to understand
Don't question the little man
Be part of the brotherhood
Yes it's chain lightning
It feels so good

Hush brother, we cross the square
Act natural like you don't care
Turn slowly and comb your hair
Don't trouble the midnight air
We're standing just where he stood
It was chain lightning
It feels so good

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Sunday, 19 November 2006 07:45 (seventeen years ago) link

four years pass...

Is The Royal Scam about Puerto Ricans? "City of St. John" = San Juan?

for real molars who ain't got no fillings (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 03:23 (thirteen years ago) link

A friend told me he always thought "Caves of Altamira" was about the first time the writer saw the word "fuck" written or painted somewhere. Becker's explanation seems similar.

ellaguru, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 17:46 (thirteen years ago) link

which i think is a moment in 'catcher in the rye', not that that means anything

thomp, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link

I've asked this before: What is up with "Brooklyn Owes The Charmer Under Me"?? Even the title is just plain weird.
― Myonga Von Bodhisattva (M. Agony Von Bontee), Friday, November 17, 2006 12:01 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark

This question never got answered, apparently. Golf is also mentioned in this song, which is confusing. Please advise.

Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link

Walter Becker: Well, the charmer was a guy who lived under Donald's apartment when we were in Brooklyn. And the song is just a bunch of things that the guy and his wife had coming to them, you know, for the indignities that they suffered living in Brooklyn, sitting on the stoop and just shooting the shit about the Mets and that kind of thing for 20 years. So, you see, the song does yield to a valid interpretation."

Godzilla vs. Rodan Rodannadanna (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link

Ahh the old days, when you could easily tailor your display name to make it more thread-appropriate. ("Von Botany" and "Von Botulism" I particularly recall)

Myonga Vön Bontee, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:54 (thirteen years ago) link

(xpost thanks Godzilla!)

Myonga Vön Bontee, Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, thanks, that explanation actually makes sense!

Thraft of Cleveland (Bill Magill), Wednesday, 16 March 2011 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link

Chinese music under banyan trees
Here at the dude ranch above the sea

somebody plz tell me wtf this song has to do with a quiet relatio ship with a beautiful woman kthxbi

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 17 March 2011 00:18 (thirteen years ago) link

three years pass...

For starters, I have a theory that Gaucho is about a drug deal that gets botched because the partner's idiotic friend, and possibly lover shows up and makes a scene, and the customers balk. Do others hear it that way?

For reference

Just when I say
"Boy we can't miss
You are golden"
Then you do this
You say this guy is so cool
Snapping his fingers like a fool
One more expensive kiss-off
Who do you think I am
Lord I know you're a special friend
But you don't seem to understand
We got heavy rollers
I think you should know
Try again tomorrow

Can't you see they're laughing at me
Get rid off him
I don't care what you do at home
Would you care to explain

Who is the gaucho amigo
Why is he standing
In your spangled leather poncho
And your elevator shoes
Bodacious cowboys
Such as your friend
Will never be welcome here
High in the Custerdome

What I tell you
Back down the line
I'll scratch your back
You can scratch mine
No he can't sleep on the floor
What do you think I'm yelling for
I'll drop him near the freeway
Doesn't he have a home

Lord I know you're a special friend
But you refuse to understand
You're a nasty schoolboy
With no place to go
Try again tomorrow

Don't tell me he'll wait in the car
Look at you
Holding hands with the man from Rio
Would you care to explain

Who is the gaucho amigo
Why is he standing
In your spangled leather poncho
With the studs that match your eyes
Bodacious cowboys
Such as your friend
Will never be welcome here
High in the Custerdome

walid foster dulles (man alive), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 04:44 (nine years ago) link

I get lover from "I don't care what you do at home," "holding hands with the man from Rio," "bodacious cowboys"

I kind of picture him suddenly coming out of the bedroom right in his outlandish outfit right as the deal is going down, the song is the argument that follows.

walid foster dulles (man alive), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 04:47 (nine years ago) link

This used to be one of my least favorite Dan songs, but I came around on it after the poll. For some reason, I've always taken it as a rebuke to Becker fucking up their career with his drug use. The bodacious cowboy lover being allegorical. Like, hey your addiction stands out so much it's like having a whole other person in the room soaking up all of the attention.

how's life, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 14:40 (nine years ago) link

In re "dime-dancing" in Aja, reading The Quiet American now, and the Vietnamese hostesses who charge for a dance reminded me of that line, maybe something along those lines.

walid foster dulles (man alive), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 14:41 (nine years ago) link

I want to go into My Rival too, been really digging that song lately

I've got detectives on his case
They filmed the whole charade
He's got a scar across his face
He wears a hearing aid

hilarious lyric, but not sure what it means -- I kind of get the impression that he's a boob who incorrectly thinks his wife or gf is having an affair with someone, but I feel like there are details I'm not getting

walid foster dulles (man alive), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 14:48 (nine years ago) link

I've mentioned this on other threads, but I always imagine the rival to be Billy Joel

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 14:50 (nine years ago) link

six months pass...

So does everyone accept the common explanation of "Peg" that it's about a woman about to (perhaps) star in her first adult film? Like is "foreign movie" sort of a euphemism for the kind of "classy" porno that would play in theaters in the 70s?

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Thursday, 17 September 2015 19:47 (eight years ago) link

'dressed up in blueprint blue' certainly supports that reading

calstars, Thursday, 17 September 2015 19:51 (eight years ago) link

found this, kind of interesting:

Couldn't Peg be Peg Entwistle - the actress who thre herself off the Hollywood sign?
Bobb - La, Ca

Bobb in LA, I was thinking the same: the story of young starlet Peg Entwistle who threw herself off the Hollywood sign, after her big debut. The studio hated the film, and cut most of Peg's part. What is noteworthy is that -- at the time in 1932 when she commited suicide -- the sign was then not a symbol of movies, but rather of "Hollywoodland," promoting real-estate development in the hills. So the reference to "Blueprint Blue" makes sense. The pin-up shot he keeps with "your letter" is her suicide note, found in Peg's purse and published in the local newspapers. And "it will come back to you," both a reference to the karmic retribution for her sin, and the fame that would accompany her as a result of Peg's action. Of course, favorite foreign movies are known for their tragic endings -- unlike the happy "Hollywood" ones. Would WB & DF give us a clue?
Thom - L.a., Ca

Ma$e-en-scène (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 17 September 2015 20:15 (eight years ago) link

that is awesome

flappy bird, Thursday, 17 September 2015 20:31 (eight years ago) link

nice. "blueprint blue" is a great turn of phrase

tylerw, Thursday, 17 September 2015 20:34 (eight years ago) link


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