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I've ignored these two genres basically all my life...just recently I've become interested in exploring them. What would be the essential albums/best places to start?

I'm sure this has been a topic before, but the search function doesn't work, so spare me the complaints.

― Lee is Free (Lee is Free), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

Carcass' 'Heartwork' is a very good introduction to extreme metal, as it incorporates more traditional rock elements while remaining pretty brutal.

― chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

http://www.google.com

WAHT IS IT SEARCH FUNCTION?

― You've Had Your Chances (noodle vague), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:48 (6 years ago) Permalink

http://www.myspace.com/byzantum

― Mr. Vas Djifrens (byzantum), Monday, 30 October 2006 17:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

Now I understand why death and black metal bands pretend to be Nazis.

― Col. Custer (Ian Christe), Monday, 30 October 2006 18:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

"spare me the complaints"

okay.

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― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 30 October 2006 18:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

WOW @ that battle metal pic! Who is that?

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― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 30 October 2006 19:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

I'd eat nearly any of these acts.

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 30 October 2006 19:17 (6 years ago) Permalink

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― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 30 October 2006 19:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

Black Metal:
*Emperor - In The Nightside Eclipse
*Immortal - Sons Of Northern Darkness
*Enslaved - ISA

Death Metal:
*Morgoth - The Eternal Fall
*Obituary - Slowly We Rot
*Death - Spiritual Healing

These all form a nice, solid introduction. There are many others, also some subgenres and crossover material that deserves mention. Just drop me a line in the email if you need some more hints. Posting a query here is obviously not easy; everything is turned into a joke...nice pictures though scott...

― Arnar Eggert Thoroddsen (arnart1802), Monday, 30 October 2006 19:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

Arnar's list isn't bad. I'd add Bathory to the "black metal" side and Morbid Angel to the "death metal" side.

I don't know where Children of Bodom fit in, but they're pretty rad, too.

― vartman (novaheat), Monday, 30 October 2006 20:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

i believe scott just learned how to post images :)

― drone/a/sore (drone/a/sore), Monday, 30 October 2006 23:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

Black Metal: Ulver "Nattens Madrigal", Weakling "Dead As Dreams".

― Pom (pom), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 02:08 (6 years ago) Permalink

what's cryptopsy qualify as

― wordy rappinghood (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 02:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

dude. death metal, of course.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 08:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

the last Arcturus album was shit!! What happened?!

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 12:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

Oh dear, I was going to buy that b/c it's apparently got vortex from dimmu borgir singing on it, and the bit where he sings on "progenies of the great apocalypse" is one of the best things ever.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 12:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

i didn't like the sham mirrors at all actually. on the back of me finding that a bit lousy, i haven't sought out the latest one.

'aspera...' and 'la masquerade infernale' are both very interesting and impressive, however. hearing 'wintry grey' a number of years back prompted me to look closely into the genre of black metal.

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 14:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

sham mirrors is one of my fave alltime let alone "metal" albums. "For To End Yet Again" is the Mr. Blue Sky of metal! I didn't like La Masquerade Infernale - the singer sounds like some sad model-shop owner.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 14:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

that's a pretty big rap you're giving sham mirrors. maybe my opinion was tarnished by the throwaway track on there featuring ihsahn. let me listen to it on repeat a couple of times and i'll try and change my mind and get back to you :)

― Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 14:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

not every song on there is an instant classic but the Ihsahn track really rocks, track 3 is also brilliant Troll-metal, and well, For To End, as I say, is magnificent.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 14:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

"the last Arcturus album was shit!! What happened?!"

no garm no credibility

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

was garm on sham mirrors?

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

yeah! he sang lead and wrote a lot of it. he didn't have anything to do with the last album. i think he was busy with ulver stuff.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

that'll explain why the blood inside sounded like what the last arcturus should have sounded like and the last arcturus sounds like what a big pile of dumpcake should sound like.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

who sang on la masquerade infernale? that guy sucked!

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

Black Metal:
Emperor - In The Nightside Eclipse
Burzum - Filosofem
Samael - Ceremony Of Opposites

Death Metal:
Entombed - Left Hand Path
Death - Individual Thought Patterns
Bolt Thrower - The IVth Crusade

All are bona fide classics yet quite accessible.

― Siegbran (eofor), Friday, 3 November 2006 20:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

What's good and new? SHARE SUGGESTIONS!!!

So far I'm really into the Hopeless demo tapes. At least two blogs that I know of have posted the tracks, link below, and I have to say that it really amazing black metal along the lines of maybe mid-era Hypothermia. Maybe shorter length, but certainly many more transitions.

http://depressive-black-metal.blogspot.com/2009/01/hopeless-esp-hopeless-demo-2008.html

The new Hirilorn is also great. Lo-fi, pissed, with great riffs and excellent vocal performance.

http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Attila_the_Hun/~3/511248307/hirilorn-hymn-to-ancient-souls.html

― Cameron Octigan, Thursday, 29 January 2009 21:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

Rolling Metal Thread 2009

― Keep The Dawgs Away (Ioannis), Thursday, 29 January 2009 21:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

http://www.invisibleoranges.com/2012/02/the-metal-vocal-hit/

― fuck deathcore and metalcore (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 2 March 2012 21:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

I want to get into more death metal after rediscovering Nile's 'Black Seeds OF Vengeance'. What else is good? Also - what's the best Nile album other than that one?

― Julian Asshole (dog latin), Sunday, 19 August 2012 13:33 (10 months ago) Permalink

Asphyx

― Siegbran, Sunday, 19 August 2012 14:07 (10 months ago) Permalink

Azarath

― Siegbran, Sunday, 19 August 2012 14:13 (10 months ago) Permalink

Incantation, Onward to Golgotha

― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 19 August 2012 15:15 (10 months ago) Permalink

Nile got really hyper-tech after that but In Their Darkened Shrines is still cool in my book

― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 19 August 2012 15:16 (10 months ago) Permalink

album of the year

― scott seward, Sunday, 19 August 2012 15:26 (10 months ago) Permalink

Love Azareth - often banged on about them since discovering them in the eoy metal polls

― Julian Asshole (dog latin), Monday, 20 August 2012 01:45 (10 months ago) Permalink

pestilence - spheres
immolation - here in after / failures for gods

more recently, i've been digging stuff like disma, cattle decapitation, portal, ulcerate and vastum. autopsy's latest was also really good. and quite surprisingly i've also been digging 'torture' by cannibal corpse - best thing since...idk, 'the bleeding' ?

― rusty_allen, Monday, 20 August 2012 16:58 (10 months ago) Permalink

Oh yeah Pestilence - first 4 albums, all perfect.

Dismember - Like An Ever Flowing Stream

― Siegbran, Tuesday, 21 August 2012 19:55 (9 months ago) Permalink

oh my god why am i only hearing this azarath record now

― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 06:13 (9 months ago) Permalink

I think they're fairly obscure but I had there album on my iPod for months after eoy

― Here's that tenner I owe you, asshole (dog latin), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 07:05 (9 months ago) Permalink

that dismember album that siegbran mentioned is the best death metal i've ever heard. it totally kills from start to finish.

― charlie h, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 14:43 (9 months ago) Permalink

this shit is so dope. i don't know what friggin' thread to put it on. could listen to this forever and ever.

― scott seward, Thursday, 23 August 2012 04:08 (9 months ago) Permalink

i mean a doom thread or whatever but whatever. i gotta go to bed.

― scott seward, Thursday, 23 August 2012 04:09 (9 months ago) Permalink

that's cool music, Scott! had never heard of them before.

anyway, realised this thread isn't complete without a mention of Dissection. the pre-incarceration stuff is unbelievable.

― charlie h, Thursday, 23 August 2012 05:33 (9 months ago) Permalink

a short, blistering set in its entirety.

― charlie h, Thursday, 23 August 2012 05:34 (9 months ago) Permalink

http://www.terrorizer.com/blog1.php/2012/08/24/the-terrorizer-friday-death-metal-top-15

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 24 August 2012 20:59 (9 months ago) Permalink

that terrorizer list is pretty weird. celtic frost? maybe proto-death (and black!), but not death per se. and, despite having a song called 'death metal', possessed are really thrash, as are sepultura, i woulda thought. 'mental funeral' over 'severed survival' for autopsy and 'the stench of redemption' for deicide, imo. no entombed, carcass, cryptopsy? bah.

― cb, Saturday, 25 August 2012 10:41 (9 months ago) Permalink

I think it was just knocked up on a friday morning in the office for the blog. It's the kind of thing they do.
Celtic Frost are amazing as they influenced thrash/death/black/doom/gothic/avant garde metal.

― Algerian Goalkeeper, Saturday, 25 August 2012 10:56 (9 months ago) Permalink

yeah, i love celtic frost, but have never thought of them as 'death metal', but you're probably right about this being a friday-morning-in-the-office job; pointless to whinge about really. like that they included 'winds of creation' tho'.

― cb, Saturday, 25 August 2012 12:29 (9 months ago) Permalink

and you know who always seem to be overlooked in these 'best DM ever' lists? the chasm!! this is stupefying to me.

― cb, Saturday, 25 August 2012 12:36 (9 months ago) Permalink

6 months pass...

best ever discussion of who is really the most satanic metal band

― Donkamole Marvin (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 23:08 (3 months ago) Permalink

would poll this thing but don't even know where to start

― Donkamole Marvin (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 23:29 (3 months ago) Permalink

Morbid Angel's whole trip is conjuring up demons for the apocalypse, man. Deicide is straight up hate, for everything, man. And a lot of these bands kinda blend in together, there are lyrics in here that you would really think are filled with hatred - and they are - but just Deicide kinda that't their little niche is just straight hatred. Mercyful Fate is full-blown Satanism. Morbid Angel's out of the necronomicon, Mercyful Fate is straight outta the Satanic Bible, he follows Anton Levay religiously, they're good friends man...

― Donkamole Marvin (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 23:34 (3 months ago) Permalink

Dude, you gotta tell me again, how in the fuck do you think that the Grateful Dead are Satanists?

I KNOW they are. I don't think it, I KNOW IT. I think they're one of Satan's key tools.

― Donkamole Marvin (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 23:34 (3 months ago) Permalink

[Paganini] was the first known musician who openly sold his soul to the devil, he admitted it. Have you heard about this guy? He is the first musician to have openly sold his soul to the devil, to have made no bones about it and did you hear about the way that he died? There's thousands of people that saw him die and said it was amazing. All of 'em concurred that this is what happened... like - ghosts - he died during one of his performances and ghosts came up out of the ground and carted him off dude.

― Donkamole Marvin (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 27 February 2013 23:38 (3 months ago) Permalink

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