mmm, pretty sure this is the first genre list I've seen on a major online music publication
― flopson, Thursday, 8 December 2016 17:15 (seven years ago) link
i'd get it if this were "the top dance records of 2016" and they put that horrible nicolas jaar record on there anyway
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 8 December 2016 17:20 (seven years ago) link
every time i see the name "nicholas jaar" i think of the ILM thread "i was a teenage villalobos" and it makes me not want to listen to him
― I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Thursday, 8 December 2016 17:26 (seven years ago) link
early nico j singles were the shit. his career since has been a big disappointment
― flopson, Thursday, 8 December 2016 17:29 (seven years ago) link
sirens in particular is just kind of a shitty fake post-punk/swans record
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 8 December 2016 17:31 (seven years ago) link
i didn't really get into the vynehall record as a whole but i love "blush"
I haven't heard the jaar record but all of this makes me suspect I will like it
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 8 December 2016 17:39 (seven years ago) link
you might! i get why people like it but is extremely not for me
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 8 December 2016 17:42 (seven years ago) link
not all clubs are terrible like that. i don't wish to deny anyone's experience or the problems in club culture but it can be a beautiful thing worth preserving (and under serious threat!) and it deserves far better representation than that list
the jaar backlash has been real, idg what's so hateable about his latest stuff but otoh it's def not as magical as his early stuff so i'm not invested in riding for it
― lex pretend, Thursday, 8 December 2016 17:48 (seven years ago) link
i mean it's just the kind of delicate overcrafted slightly pompous but unmemorable electronic album i hear 48387343 iterations of every year
― lex pretend, Thursday, 8 December 2016 17:49 (seven years ago) link
I'm really liking the Kornél Kovács LP!
― Evan, Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:01 (seven years ago) link
xp- exactly, the early singles were delicate overcrafted slightly pompus yet extremely memorable and often had great beats u could dance to
― flopson, Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:03 (seven years ago) link
xp -- sure, which is fine, until it becomes "and if you don't like this, your opinion on electronic music, even electronic music recorded for other purposes, is invalid." I don't mandate that people go to a TRL filming to enjoy pop music.
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:14 (seven years ago) link
katherine, who are you even yelling at
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:16 (seven years ago) link
the idea that "[not seeming] to be invested in actually dancing in clubs in 2016" is an indication of anything besides one's hobbies
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:18 (seven years ago) link
I believe this all could have been temporarily avoided if lex initially realized it was more broadly titled "best electronic" not "best dance".
― Evan, Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:25 (seven years ago) link
it's not just him, I'd read at least four variations on the same thing in the half-hour after I woke up
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:26 (seven years ago) link
people should dance more though. it's good for you. great cardio.
― scott seward, Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:31 (seven years ago) link
and possibly gets you made fun of by everyone within a five-foot radius, or filmed
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:35 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNspHRNQuGY
― flappy bird, Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:35 (seven years ago) link
I dunno, dance music, more than rock music, has a specific FUNCTION and I don't think it's totally out of line to suggest that having an understanding of it means engaging with it in the actual place that it's intended.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:36 (seven years ago) link
young woman yells at club
― Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:37 (seven years ago) link
xpost the kitchen at 2 am with your best friends.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:38 (seven years ago) link
don't go to the clubs where people yell at you though. that's rule number one.
― scott seward, Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:39 (seven years ago) link
fwiw i get that clubs can be deeply unsafe spaces and i don't frequent them myself but surely they're just as valid a music delivery system as earbuds, surround sound, youtube thru laptop speakers, live performance etc
― Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:39 (seven years ago) link
still don't think an albums list by design is going to reflect the club as much as a list of dj mixes and singles maybe
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:41 (seven years ago) link
hoo boy this is a fun and not at all loaded subject
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:41 (seven years ago) link
earbuds are a terrible music delivery system
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:42 (seven years ago) link
maybe not "terrible" but certainly not "ideal"
lol yes dance music can only truly be appreciated by extroverts with a budget
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:44 (seven years ago) link
thrilling revive today
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:44 (seven years ago) link
i prefer edibles
― A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:45 (seven years ago) link
kinda weird to talk about clubs when the first two albums on the list are Aphex Twin and Autechre
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:45 (seven years ago) link
xxxpost I would say, without hesitation, that anyone who reviews music for a living needs to listen on something better than earbuds, yes
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:45 (seven years ago) link
I heard earbuds are bad for your ears.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:46 (seven years ago) link
e-mail link downloads that music reviewers get sound like shit. but maybe they don't notice if they are listening to them with earbuds...
― scott seward, Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:48 (seven years ago) link
that's fair but what % of music writers earn a living doing it xxp
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:49 (seven years ago) link
whiney owns beats y/n
― Dave Plaintive rapper with classical training (imago), Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:50 (seven years ago) link
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, December 8, 2016 1:45 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
exactly and this is why a number of people have noted that maybe lex should have acknowledged that this was a list of electronic music not necessarily dance music whatever else one might want to say about the list's merits
― I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:51 (seven years ago) link
Sonos, boff
― flappy bird, Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:51 (seven years ago) link
the discussion about experiencing music thru clubs as it pertains to year end listing is a thorny one because if the implication is that you will go out to clubs, experience music, then curate it into a list then... that takes a lot of effort! like, the way i see people experience new music in clubs can be like, you have to take out your phone and record the song as a voice memo so you don't forget what it sounds like. maybe your friend knows it or you know the DJ and can ask to find out what it is, but you might just have to hope to hear it a few more times so that you kind of just find out what it is... some other way, like if it's a track that sort of floats up to the top on beatport or something. but otherwise it's a very ephemeral experience. you really have to hunt shit down, there's no lyrics to google or hooks to shazam. so anyway i don't begrudge any non-professional dance music writers for not doing all that.
that said it can be a very rewarding experience :-)
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 8 December 2016 18:54 (seven years ago) link
Or you live in, say, Hoboken so your local clubs only represent douchebags and terrible music
― Evan, Thursday, 8 December 2016 19:02 (seven years ago) link
dont be mean to yo la tengo
― flappy bird, Thursday, 8 December 2016 19:06 (seven years ago) link
They moved out of town all is lost
― Evan, Thursday, 8 December 2016 19:07 (seven years ago) link
Steve Shelley still lives here but he's an enabler of the current version of Mark Kozelek so...
― Evan, Thursday, 8 December 2016 19:09 (seven years ago) link
yo wtf really? xp
― flappy bird, Thursday, 8 December 2016 19:22 (seven years ago) link
I feel invested in dance music having a function and a context, but also so detached from it because of where I live. So I don't think it renders anyone's opinion invalid if they aren't able or willing to go out to clubs, but on the very rare occasions that I do get experience good music on a soundsystem and in the company of other humans, it always makes an impact and realigns how I think about it.
― sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Thursday, 8 December 2016 19:23 (seven years ago) link
a club where you can't hear the music sounds terrible!
― banfred bann (wins), Thursday, 8 December 2016 19:25 (seven years ago) link
― flappy bird, Thursday, December 8, 2016 2:22 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah moved to Manhattan
― Evan, Thursday, 8 December 2016 19:28 (seven years ago) link
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, December 8, 2016 6:44 PM (forty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is funny considering the history of dance clubs as havens for the marginalised (also "introverts with no disposable income" is more my experience of fellow club-goers)
this isn't about anyone's specific lived experience though, do what you want. but a list of electronic or dance music that leans old, established and away from the dancefloor is BORING, even if it is a mere albums list
― lex pretend, Thursday, 8 December 2016 19:29 (seven years ago) link