I didn't know indie rock band Speedy Ortiz had such evil power.
― Evan, Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:15 (nine years ago) link
when I say "anyone" assume that I mean mean "anyone outside of our small insular circle jerk of music writers, former music writers and aspiring music writers, i.e. the number of people on the planet earth who would read a thinkpiece on "poptimism," i.e., totaling in the four if not three digits, i.e., not a significant part of the music-listening audience by any estimation"
― clikbait ikatowi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:17 (nine years ago) link
which is why i could have posted "does anyone listen to whiney or does he just exist in RT form," but i felt that sounded less "check yourself" and more "fuck you" than i wanted
― da croupier, Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:19 (nine years ago) link
i'd think we want more critics would talk about groups they like without a large audience. i don't need everyone's two cents on music everyone's hearing.
― da croupier, Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:20 (nine years ago) link
We definitely need more and more written through articles on every derivative 90s throwback band from Philadelphia and Boston, good call
― clikbait ikatowi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:25 (nine years ago) link
:(
― da croupier, Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:26 (nine years ago) link
happy 2 contribute
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:26 (nine years ago) link
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― clikbait ikatowi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:27 (nine years ago) link
would you respect them if i said they toured with malkmus?
― da croupier, Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:27 (nine years ago) link
lol
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:27 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4e2yXplc74
see these are people they're cheering
― da croupier, Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:28 (nine years ago) link
I guess it is possible in this current click-driven media world that Rolling Stone, Pitchfork, the NY Times, and NPR would choose to highlight this indie-rock band even though no "real people" listen to them, or go to their gigs, but who knows. Its fine not to like them, but that's a different thing than pretending that the indie-rock crowd that does like them does not exist
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:30 (nine years ago) link
write articles about Thaylobleu instead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijf1iqsPlJw
― DJP, Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:31 (nine years ago) link
or in addition, if you've got the bandwidth
basically, I want ppl to write about Thaylobleu
i have never made money from writing about music and clearly no one would want to be such a person, you are all disgusting misanthropes
but i listened to speedy ortiz this morning and they rule
― j., Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:57 (nine years ago) link
they're pretty popular! they play all over the world. they tour like crazy.
― scott seward, Thursday, 23 April 2015 22:00 (nine years ago) link
it seems a lot of music writers use reddit now http://www.reddit.com/r/listentothis/comments/33mijz/ama_were_speedy_ortiz_a_band_from_massachusetts/
― katherine, Thursday, 23 April 2015 22:59 (nine years ago) link
MeagerSquib, I love that guy, we're writer bros, KillerVelocity and I had a conversation about poptimsim, oh man, so many familiar faces
― katherine, Thursday, 23 April 2015 23:00 (nine years ago) link
Does anyone actually listen to Speedy Ortiz or do they only exist in retweet form?
― clikbait ikatowi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 23 April 2015 20:33 (Yesterday) Permalink
Whiney, I do, and I don't have a Twitter account
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 24 April 2015 01:32 (nine years ago) link
Each of those 5 music writers who like Speedy Ortiz must have listened to their songs around a hundred thousand times on Spotify
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Friday, 24 April 2015 13:15 (nine years ago) link
their show at the bowery ballroom saturday is sold out though i know that place only fits like five music writers
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Friday, 24 April 2015 13:28 (nine years ago) link
"Only five music writers liked Speedy Ortiz, but each one who did went on to stream those songs a hundred thousand times." - Brian Eno
― NotKnowPotato (stevie), Friday, 24 April 2015 13:29 (nine years ago) link
Shitty, gatecrashing "noise band" loves Rihanna now, Pavement-sounding indie rock band cites influence of hip-hop, rockists beware etc.
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Friday, 24 April 2015 13:33 (nine years ago) link
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Friday, April 24, 2015 2:33 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
JFK BLOWN AWAY WHAT ELSE DO I HAVE TO SAY
― NotKnowPotato (stevie), Friday, 24 April 2015 13:40 (nine years ago) link
Uh I think you guys misread Whiney a little. He was saying he knows of only 5 music writers that may listen to Speedy Ortiz. Not that their entire audience consists of those 5 writers.
― Evan, Friday, 24 April 2015 13:46 (nine years ago) link
I think he said their entire audience consisted of nobody, since those writers don't count as anybody
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Friday, 24 April 2015 14:17 (nine years ago) link
Well tbf it was a question not a statement, he wanted to know if anyone listened to this band, you guys checked for him, now he knows, excellent crowdsourcing Whiney
― neetsooh ebebay (wins), Friday, 24 April 2015 14:35 (nine years ago) link
I think he means that if you're a music writer and you decide to listen to Speedy Ortiz your identity dissolves and you technically exist but you become a faceless entity with a lost, senselessly wandering soul that has no purpose yet yearns endlessly. You know because you look others in the eye and there is no recognition or connection. You drift forever and nothing can undo it.
― Evan, Friday, 24 April 2015 15:48 (nine years ago) link
tickets on sale now
― Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Friday, 24 April 2015 17:11 (nine years ago) link
"We played to a packed house. It was mostly ghosts."
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Friday, 24 April 2015 17:42 (nine years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/753-drake-kanye-1d-and-the-rise-of-emotional-men/
close thread
― jamiesummerz, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 16:48 (nine years ago) link
that piece really could have used more than one reference point that predates 1999
― da croupier, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 17:17 (nine years ago) link
Are we sure the writer predates 1999?
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 18:46 (nine years ago) link
This thread is basically becoming a bunch of guys pushing/past 40 rolling their eyes at the work of twentysomething women...
*jamie foxx voice* "This is your conscience... Maybe Pitchfork isn't for you anymore?"
― clikbait ikatowi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 19:03 (nine years ago) link
the world has turned and left y'all here
― clikbait ikatowi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 19:06 (nine years ago) link
Like it was fun when we were all fresh-faced kids in 2002 stunting on pseudo-intellectual bloviator bros getting their first writing gigs straight outta lollege, but it's been like 15 years or something, we need a new hobby
― clikbait ikatowi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 19:10 (nine years ago) link
Mods lock thread, R.I.P.
― clikbait ikatowi (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 19:11 (nine years ago) link
this is closer to how i feel about the pitch
http://barrybailbondsman.tumblr.com/post/114878061070/the-only-thing-i-have-to-say-on-the-thing-that
― da croupier, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 19:12 (nine years ago) link
Oh, I know exactly how old I am, and where I fit into the pop market (I don't). There's a reason I only write for The Wire and jazz outlets at this point.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 19:14 (nine years ago) link
"we need a new hobby"
have you tried spelunking?
― scott seward, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 19:42 (nine years ago) link
I Love Spelunking
― Evan, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 19:53 (nine years ago) link
Circle of life: http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/750-ageism-lou-reeds-lulu-madonnas-tongue-and-jazz-fest/
― campreverb, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 20:30 (nine years ago) link
I liked that piece tbh
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 20:50 (nine years ago) link
can i recommend pottery?
― Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 20:55 (nine years ago) link
the pitch is written and edited like a blog i guess, so it does feel a bit mean-spirited to treat it in the same way as something else that's ostensibly more, you know, edited.
but yeah i also agree that clowning on young writers for not having a fuller sense of history is nagl. i don't think an in-the-moment thing necessarily needs to be burdened with knowing what dylan thought of sensitive men or w/e.
― entry-level umami (mild bleu cheese vibes) (s.clover), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 21:07 (nine years ago) link
"but yeah i also agree that clowning on young writers for not having a fuller sense of history is nagl."
This is most of the reason why Anthony Fantano gets clowned right?
― Evan, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 21:13 (nine years ago) link
i think thats a v small part of the (many) reason(s) why fantano gets (justifiably) clowned
― slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 21:15 (nine years ago) link
v small or actually like 50% why?
― Evan, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 21:16 (nine years ago) link
but yeah i also agree that clowning on young writers for not having a fuller sense of history is nagl.
part of why i linked to that blog post was to clarify that i'm not expecting younger writers to have a fuller sense of history, but for editors to check for assumptions etc. I think it's a shame that pitchfork's apparent outlet for a more diverse group of opinions and subjects is being used basically like a college op-ed page
― da croupier, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 21:17 (nine years ago) link
the normal reviews may well be just as poorly edited, but people are more likely to read grand thinkpieces (or tossed off blog posts with grand thinkpiece titles) than reviews of obscure artists
― da croupier, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 21:19 (nine years ago) link