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History Of Detroit
Compiled By - Laurent Garnier

1-01 Stooges - No Fun (5:18)
1-02 Aretha Franklin - Rock Steady (3:15)
1-03 Temptations - Plastic Man (5:59)
1-04 Funkadelic - Bettino’s Bounce (3:40)
1-05 Carl Craig - No More Words (6:52)
1-06 Jeff Mills - Utopia (4:19)
1-07 BFC - Galaxy (6:41)
1-08 Arpanet - NTT DoCoMo (4:38)
1-09 D.I.E - Get Up (4:53)
1-10 Dabrye - Game Over (3:41)

Influences & Developments
Compiled By - Carl Craig
2-01 Visage - Frequency 7 (5:05)
2-02 Kano - It's A War (6:53)
2-03 Yello - No More Words (3:58)
2-04 Alexander Robotnick - Dance Boy Dance (5:09)
2-05 Art Of Noise - Beat Box (Diversion 1) (8:32)
2-06 Nitzer Ebb - Join In The Chant (5:28)
2-07 Capricorn (3) - I Need Love (Instrumental) (6:14)
2-08 Black Dog - Virtual (9:58)
2-09 Balil - Nort Route (5:16)
2-10 Choice - Acid Eiffel (13:29)

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 07:47 (6 years ago) Permalink

THIS SUCKS

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 07:48 (6 years ago) Permalink

http://www.laurentgarnier.com/electrochoc/indexpop.php

― Python... No Bite :B (flezaffe), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 08:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

how can it?

― nebbesh (nebbesh), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 08:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

random.

― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 08:34 (6 years ago) Permalink

baffling.

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 08:43 (6 years ago) Permalink

it's not the grime kano, presumably!?

― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 08:44 (6 years ago) Permalink

ha ha, the 'Gay Tea Dance' mix on that electrochoc page otm

i will probably buy this comp anyway (e.g. would like that Capricorn track on CD)

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 08:48 (6 years ago) Permalink

it's not the grime kano, presumably!?

Grime as a development of/influenced by techno why not?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 08:49 (6 years ago) Permalink

i dunno you'd have to ask ronan.

but it seems silly to me.

― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 08:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

italo kano.

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 08:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

i dunno you'd have to ask ronan.

but it seems silly to me.

this could be your epitaph along with 'i don't like music'.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 08:52 (6 years ago) Permalink

Hmmm.. Balil AND the Black Dog next to each other. And Iggy And The Stooges?

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 08:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

well that would be very silly, but look at the mix as it is. ronan doesn't know about grime.

what would yours be?

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 08:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

yeah, 2 carl craig tracks on disc one too.

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 08:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

I'd rather have a two disc set from each of these guys separately... this seems like short shrift for both discs somehow.

Wonder which version of "Nort Route" it is? Not the version from "Trainer" would be nice, to avoid redundancy.

― ten kebabs maaaaate (fandango), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 09:00 (6 years ago) Permalink

It isn't even mixed (that Visage track is genius though)...that and Craigs 'No More Words' are forcing me to keep it (I already have the rest of course).

― Omar (Omar), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 09:00 (6 years ago) Permalink

i def. wouldn't buy it if it were mixed.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 09:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

that could be your epitaph.

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 09:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

no, that's my actual one. i hate mixes. in/outros are usually best bits of songs.

― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 09:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

it was ok, in the day, when i could do actual mix tapes, but with cds/mp3s, your options are limited in terms of doing yr own edits, i find.

― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 09:08 (6 years ago) Permalink

that is baffling

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 09:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

i'm not good at technology. but in making a tape, from a cd, you could find ways round dodgy edits, things taken from mixes. it wasn't perfect but could be done. with these newfangled things like mp3s and burning onto cd, i don't know where i am.

― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 09:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

no sun ra or mc5?

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 09:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

looks like Craig and Garnier said to each other "you put your favourite of mine on yours and vice versa"

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 09:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

hmmm, it's easier to press pause on a tape deck than it is to drag a .wav file into audacity or EAC's wav editor (or Nero?) and chop a bit off I suppose, somewhat inexact but easier.

does "not good at technology" = iTunes gives me insanely limited (yet "easy" to use) CD burning options here? speculating wildly of course.

― ten kebabs maaaaate (fandango), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 09:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

to reply to that i need to know

1) how do i shot wav.?
2) how do i shot audacity [sounds fun tho!]
3) how do i shot EAC's wav editor (or Nero?)

― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 09:37 (6 years ago) Permalink

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

download, run (or unzip to somewhere like your apps/programs folder)

find your track (if you're using winamp you probably know where it is, in iTunes you can open the containing folder with a right click now I hear)

drag your mp3 in there (I'd keep a copy of the original to be safe) and it'll import/decompress it to wav... highlight the bit you want chopped, fiddle, listen back, delete/undo until you're happy.

Re-save, re-import into iTunes (which will probably turn the wav back into an .mp3 for you.

There are other options but I don't want to make this sound more complicated than it really needs be :)

― dance dance counter-revolution (fandango), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 09:58 (6 years ago) Permalink

wow thanks!

i shall try this at home.

― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 10:08 (6 years ago) Permalink

audacity is great if you want a simple 8-track recorder too!

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 10:20 (6 years ago) Permalink

― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 10:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

I can't believe neither of you had heard of Kano.....

And that's about the shape of it, aren't people already digging up this stuff themselves nowadays? Every single DJ I know has a half decent knowledge of italo.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 10:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

to be fair, not everyone is a DJ!

― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 10:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

yeah but in fairness surely a comp like this is aimed, at the very least, at "boffins".

is it part of the BBE series, "kings of jazz" etc etc?

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 10:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

i own too many to buy, not enough not to buy, but yeah i suppose it's not going to be in tescos.

― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 10:34 (6 years ago) Permalink

I only know four of the tracks on this (3 of which are on Craig's, and only own 1 in 'Acid Eiffel') but think that's as much to do with the randomness of selection than my own knowledge (obv. with it's limits).

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 10:50 (6 years ago) Permalink

if it's mixed maybe something has been 'done' to the stooges et al, but those first tracks do seem to be designed to bring in non-specialist punters.

― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 10:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

this is not enough tracks for 2 CDs either. why stop at ten each other than for vinylists?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 11:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

From an email:

NOTE: PROMO YOU HAVE [see tracklist above] IS NOT THE FINISHED CD

FINISHED CD will be a double mix CD featuring

PROMO features a selection of tracks featured on those mixes many of which are out of print and hard to get.

Not from email:

NOT ideal for people who know everything

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 11:52 (6 years ago) Permalink

hmm, perhaps i should try and blag a promo

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 12:01 (6 years ago) Permalink

Join In The Chant = oop?? o_O

― Python... No Bite :B (flezaffe), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 12:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

YSI?

― Jena (JenaP), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 12:17 (6 years ago) Permalink

you need to get up on the o.g. kano

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

Juan Atkins

― PappaWheelie demands you to ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

PappaWheelie is OTM, you can't have a Detroit comp without Juan.

It is cool that Detroit In Effect gets some love on this comp.

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:51 (6 years ago) Permalink

I will say in some weird round about way it kinda reps a slice of Mojo's playlist though, which was fuel to the fire that was detroit techno

― PappaWheelie demands you to ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

Also, Join In The Chant = completely fucking huge hit in Detroit back in the day.

Chicago is four hours west down I-94 and the Wax Trax influence on Detroit techno is the huge elephant in the living room that nobody wants to talk about.

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

i figure Atkins will feature on the full final version - but what of his would Craig or Garnier pick?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 15:58 (6 years ago) Permalink

I lived on I-94 Michigan until late 83/early 84. The biggest influence on the stretch was Zapp and early early Prince, honestly. But yeah, it was one hell of a stew back then.

The other thing often not pointed out is detroit techno artists didn't have nearly as much success in detroit as they did by travelling to chicago on weekends.

― PappaWheelie demands you to ''only pick any'' (PappaWheelie 2), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 16:00 (6 years ago) Permalink

Skipping 15 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

And it's nice to see Yello's influence acknowledged, though I guess it was no surprise, cos Carl Graig was already on the Hands on Yello remix LP.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

i always thought 'techno 2' was a bit so-so but 'techno 1' rules. 'ride 'em boy'!!!!

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

Techno 2 has:

*Area 10-Love Take Me Over
*Reel By Real-AFtermath
KGB-Stark
MK-Mirror, Mirror
*Octave One-I Believe
Infiniti-Techno Por Favor
Psyche-Elements
Vice-Ritual

The ones with stars are in my Techno top 20, hell, the latter two are in my top 5!

Juan es el rey de music techno!

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

i guess for me, techno 1 was such a life changing record that 2 couldn't compete. i think i'm about the only techno lover who never fell in love with octave one.

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:33 (6 years ago) Permalink

Some of those early 430 West releases are ridiculous. I'd put The Collective up with any of the other anthologies -- the Atkins Metroplex thing on Tresor, Innovator, Places and Phases or Faces and Laces or whatever...

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

Octave One was a real eye-opener for me. It sounded like a sexy new wave song to me, and in still a favorite of mine.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

forget "innovator", they need to repress "soundtrack to the tenth planet"

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

NOT ideal for people who know everything

i resent the implication!

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

innovator is soundtrack to the tenth planet

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

i resent the implication!

Oh yeah?

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:58 (6 years ago) Permalink

yeah yeah but upthread people were talking about r&s

hey stir aren't you sort of involved w/ the people from network records?? why are they sitting on all that old good stuff (like biorhythms) and not reissuing it??

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:58 (6 years ago) Permalink

Don't ride the white horse.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 17:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

i dunno, this comp just seems mega prosaic ... "kings of disco" and "kings of digging" were SO good ... but this one seems to be going in the direction of the rest of the series

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

yeah yeah but upthread people were talking about r&s

i was just being obnoxious.

hey stir aren't you sort of involved w/ the people from network records?? why are they sitting on all that old good stuff (like biorhythms) and not reissuing it??

i don't think anyone in detroit has a good word to say about neil rushton these days and i have a feeling all the rights have reverted back.

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

Kings of House was good, at least it was house on it! This comp is like if Kings of Disco was all funk and soul. Or if Kings of Punk came out and they put the Beatles on it, cos "they had guitars also".

Where is the techno on "THE KINGS OF TECHNO". It's like those rappers who say "yeah my music is ok but Coldplay, that's the real thing!!"

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:09 (6 years ago) Permalink

I mean, I'm not denying the influence of all those acts but most of them are done to that, I mean FFS if the comp was called Laurent Garnier/Carl Craig BACK TO MINE I could understand!

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

those "bio rhythm" comps ... so crucial

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

yeah ronan is hitting EXACTLY why i am not happy about this comp

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:12 (6 years ago) Permalink

i guess my mad pipe dream was that they would turn in something that would sound like their mindblowing dj kicks ... full of crazy obscure mid-90s detroit techno and uk techno

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

1-05 Carl Craig - No More Words (6:52)
1-06 Jeff Mills - Utopia (4:19)
1-07 BFC - Galaxy (6:41)
2-09 Balil - Nort Route (5:16)

allow these songs

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

"done to death" I meant...at this point they need to make more techno retrospectives that make outsiders maybe buy it and go "ah this is techno" because it's utterly 100 percent unrelenting techno rather than telling techno fans "there is this band called the stooges, and ah yes have you considered nitzer ebb..." or even worse, telling non techno fans "don't bother with any techno, just listen to the stooges, oh here's acid eiffel a seminal blah blah blah foundations of the genre now you're done, that's techno in a nutshell, they didn't even invent it themselves, go back to watching vh1"

x-post otm dig up some classics CC and Laurent....these comps are ultra crossover, it should be the quintessential Detroit techno mix by two uber-canonical legends, not this modest comp of nods....

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:16 (6 years ago) Permalink

and where is SILVER APPLES OF THE MOON

where is KONTAKTE

where is DELIA D

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

I am interested what the final tracklist will look like. The promo for the Kings of House was similar to this with far fewer tracks, unmixed, and some of them didn't even appear on the final tracklist. I'm sure this will be mixed as well.

― matt2 (matt2), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:19 (6 years ago) Permalink

history of detroit??? where is the MC5???

"STARSHIP"!!

(didn't sun ra invent techno???)

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:20 (6 years ago) Permalink

where is EMINEM? where is SEVEN NATION ARMY...

oh shit...

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:20 (6 years ago) Permalink

I understand the gripes and I know it's irritating when something doesn't cater directly to you, but jeezus -- were they supposed to title it Kings of the Roots of Techno as Well as the Developments and Offshoots Thereof?

Was The Kings of Disco supposed to be titled The Kings of Danceable Funk and Soul Made Before, During, and Just a Little Bit After the Bee Gees Went Disco (Along With Some Straight-Up Disco)?

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

if the comp is called 'history of detroit' i can sort of see what they are doing but if it's called 'kings of techno', then iggy should sue.

i believe i asked 'where are the mc5 and sun ra' upthread.

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

they should just repress this disc and this disc and put it in a box w/ "kings of techno" stamped on the front

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

stir you are always one step ahead of the crowd

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

"I went to a restaurant called Ashoka Indian Cuisine and they had some Indo-Chinese items on the menu WTF WTF WTF?!!?"

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

the "kings of disco" was topical and timely!! it had macho's "not tonight" and "black skinned blue eyed boys" and "roll the joint" and a bunch of other stuff that's hot right now. and it was a bunch of re-edits, which makes sense too. and it wasn't a redundant selection of stuff that you can find elsewhere.

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:25 (6 years ago) Permalink

1-01 Stooges - No Fun (5:18)
1-02 Aretha Franklin - Rock Steady (3:15)
1-03 Temptations - Plastic Man (5:59)
1-04 Funkadelic - Bettino’s Bounce (3:40)

sorry andy, but this is more like asking for samosas and getting a burrito

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:26 (6 years ago) Permalink

This is like asking for samosas and a doctor coming and sticking a needle in your arm. Not even the right store!

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

Plus with Kings of House, every track is house....

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

like....isn't that what you want? if it's called "kings of techno" then at worst you want to be arguing over some stuff being "house"!

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 18:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

I would like to see this label repressed:

http://www.discogs.com/label/Incognito+Records

this one too:

http://www.discogs.com/label/Retroactive

and y'all forgot about this guy:

http://www.discogs.com/release/65140

And it just occured to me that I really want Just Another Chance by Reece on this comp.

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 19:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

there's a ton of blake baxter stuff on iTunes ... maybe he'll put that stuff up, oneday??

they DO repress retroactive stuff, don't they? or are those bootlegs? you see the vinyl on the internet once in a while, usually around the same time as when the buzz stuff gets repressed ... bootlegs, right?

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 19:13 (6 years ago) Permalink

FRICTIONAL

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 19:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

Andy K OTM.

My guess is that those Retroactive records are bootlegs because you never see any of those records coming through submerge. I wasn't even aware that those records were getting the bootleg treatment.

Also, this is another one of those old Detroit comps that doesn't get enough love:

http://www.discogs.com/release/44984

I love how Discogs.com is like the new allmusic.com for dance dorks.

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 20:40 (6 years ago) Permalink

the retroactive ones are bootlegs though retroactive has recently relaunched itself.

agree about incognito - some great records including two of my favourite ever reese releases.

― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 20:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

i used to have all of shake's releases but for reason i decided i didn't like anything after "waiting for russell"

"club scam ii", "iconoclastic diaries" and "mood music for the moody" were incredible, though.

(is "russell" arthur russell??)

― HUNTA-V (vahid), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 21:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

I mean, if someone is looking to dig into this shit, they should just get teh fucking Detroit Classics & Techno Diamonds collection. Amirite? The ones upthread look kinda crap.

― trees (treesessplode), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 00:08 (6 years ago) Permalink

Back to "May vs. Atkins": I prefer May as a dj but the one time these two did a tag team at Vinyl (RIP) here in NYC it was heaven.

― Jay Vee's Return (Manon_69), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 02:17 (6 years ago) Permalink

Re: dance dance counter-revolution on importing to Audacity to edit mp3s

There's a simpler solution: MPTrim works entirely in the MP3 data realm so there isn't additional sound degradation from encoding/decoding. Its useful for trimming down silent or excessive intros/outros for tidy CDRs.

That said, you'll need Audacity or the likes to do proper crossfades.

― 35 Hertz (35 Hertz), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 06:17 (6 years ago) Permalink

Didn't Atkins and May have some sort of fallout in the early nineties? Have they buried the hatchet later on?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 07:08 (6 years ago) Permalink

5 years pass...

From an email:
NOTE: PROMO YOU HAVE [see tracklist above] IS NOT THE FINISHED CD

FINISHED CD will be a double mix CD featuring

PROMO features a selection of tracks featured on those mixes many of which are out of print and hard to get.

Not from email:

NOT ideal for people who know everything

― Andy_K (Andy_K)

LOL

― the late great, Saturday, 12 May 2012 04:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

i've warmed to this comp quite a bit ... "track selection and mission of a comp called kings of techno?" questions aside, they do a real nice job with the mixing and the track selection is tight

― the late great, Saturday, 12 May 2012 05:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

like i would not consider selling it

― the late great, Saturday, 12 May 2012 05:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

This comp introduced me to D.I.E - "Get Up" which is amazing. I used to spin it regularly (slowed down a bit).

― Spencer Chow, Saturday, 12 May 2012 07:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

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