In addition to "Hounds Of Love", which is rightfully considered by most as the pinnacle of her career, "The Dreaming", "The Kick Inside", "The Sensual World" and "Aerial" all occasionally show up in listings of the best albums of all time (at least in those cases where we are speaking of more than just a Top 100).
However, I have seen "Never For Ever" nowhere, in spite of it obviously being among her best. Matter of factly, I'd rank it as her second best, only beaten by "Hounds Of Love". The advantage of this album is that it has a little bit of both her strength, the songs are still as catchy as the ones on her first couple of albums whereas the arrangements are getting more complex and sophisticated, pointing forward to the style she'd develop from "The Dreaming" onwards.
A really strong album, and definitely a classic. But why has it become so underrated?
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 22 September 2006 11:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― EsteBAN LOUIS JAGGER (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:05 (seventeen years ago) link
I have a sneaking suspicion he would too :)
Btw. "Babooshka" is great!
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― ten kebabs maaaaate (fandango), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Friday, 22 September 2006 12:46 (seventeen years ago) link
Here are my KB album rankings:The DreamingHounds of Love Never for EverAerialThe Kick InsideLionheartThe Sensual WorldThe Red Shoes
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DEFINITELY one of her best... Geir you're totally right about how this album combines songwriting and texture so beautifully.
Babooshka rocks. It has a lot of sentiment attached to it for me - it was the first Kate Bush song I ever remember hearing. My mom played it a lot when I was small - she did the stepper in the mornings to her Kate mix tape with like Babooshka and Big Sky on it.
As for underrated, I know what you mean but I think plenty die-hards realize the brilliance of this album. As for pop culture, I don't know... I mean, Breathing got a lot of attention, right? So did Babooshka, obviously. Oh and Army Dreamers of course. And I honestly think Infant Kiss is one of the best songs ever written and performed. Ever.
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Friday, 22 September 2006 13:07 (seventeen years ago) link
BabooshkaDelius (Song of Summer)All We Ever Look ForEgypt (the 2nd half)ViolinNight-Scented StockInfant KissBreathing
Right?? I still can't get over the 2nd half of Egypt. It's like a disturbed man's wet dream. Um, yeah, this album is most def top 3 - to me, it is hardly less impressive than the Big Two.
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Friday, 22 September 2006 13:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Friday, 22 September 2006 13:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ficky Stingers (Bimble...), Friday, 22 September 2006 13:41 (seventeen years ago) link
― ten kebabs maaaaate (fandango), Friday, 22 September 2006 13:44 (seventeen years ago) link
BUY YOURSELF A COPY
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Friday, 22 September 2006 13:47 (seventeen years ago) link
Including the swan.
― EsteBAN LOUIS JAGGER (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 22 September 2006 14:02 (seventeen years ago) link
and you also have to wonder about bjork's swan years later
or maybe you don't have to wonder that. nevermind.
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Friday, 22 September 2006 14:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― Bryan (Bryan), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link
yes the dreaming is my first as well. but i can't put hounds of love third. i just can't. Under Ice, yum.
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:18 (seventeen years ago) link
like the beginning of joanni, when that guitar kicks in? yum - it just burns. where you would expect just another synth layer, she pulls out the guitar and instead of 80s cheese ambience, it comes off contemporary fresh. you know? it's about the placement i think.
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:22 (seventeen years ago) link
I'd like to just get a cheap vinyl copy for this, not really wanting to graduate to CD, just get it the way I used to have it.
Another thing I think I should mention...I found a film at the video shop recently entitled "Delius: Song of Summer" from 1968 and rented it. It was a film by Ken Russell. Apparently it was based on a book by Eric Fenby from 1936 entitled "Delius As I Knew Him"...anyway I didn't think the film was very good in fact I didn't watch it all, but it sure brought real meaning to the lines "He's a moody old man..." and "In B, Fenby!" Cause like the composer guy is a real arsehole in the film. Anyway I always wondered what that song was about. One thing I will say about the film was though that you wouldn't have thought it was from as far back as '68 cause it looked like a modern movie just made in black and white.
Here's a website about it:
http://www.imageandmusic.co.uk/songofsummer.htm
It seems according to IMDB that there is another movie called Delius from '88 that has some gay themes...this is not the same thing at all.
― Ficky Stingers (Bimble...), Saturday, 23 September 2006 01:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 23 September 2006 02:35 (seventeen years ago) link
i feel like you're alluding to a scattered quality to never for ever - at first it seems sprawling and unfocused (violin, the wedding list). but i thought the kick inside sounded like that at first too - i was like it's pretty but it sounds like jazz: where are the hooks? i feel like never for ever is the wackier embellishment on the kick inside. its wackiest moments trump a lot of the kick inside, tho, in my humb opinion.
and i LOVE
the sleeve!
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Saturday, 23 September 2006 03:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Saturday, 23 September 2006 03:45 (seventeen years ago) link
1. The Dreaming2. Hounds Of Love3. Never For Ever
― Jay Vee's Return (Manon_69), Saturday, 23 September 2006 08:37 (seventeen years ago) link
Side-note: I don't find Kate's use of electric guitar to be that brilliant. Sometimes I wish she'd lock Paddy Bush and/or David Gilmour out of the studio when she's putting these things together. To me, she earns her classic status with her vocal arrangements, above all else.
But yes, wonderful album.
Ah, right, and Delius...
― Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Saturday, 23 September 2006 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link
Gushing over Kate Bush isn't silliness for me. I feel happy and lucky to connect so strongly to her music, not silly - music is a gift when it speaks to you so! And at least I obsess in an obsession-tolerant forum =)
Those are my top three albums too - in that order. I have no problem with any tracks therein - same goes for all the albums up to Sensual.
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Saturday, 23 September 2006 19:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Saturday, 23 September 2006 20:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Saturday, 23 September 2006 20:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Saturday, 23 September 2006 21:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Saturday, 23 September 2006 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dare Of The Hog (Bimble...), Saturday, 23 September 2006 22:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Sunday, 24 September 2006 00:51 (seventeen years ago) link
i'm trying to put together a beat tonight and it's not working out yet. i think i'm gonna listen to the song i just finished writing instead. but first, a hit of aerial - maybe a little how to be invisible?...
i know, all so random. saturday night in my head. i used to go out more, i really did, but i find the keyboard infinitely more suggestive an activity in my free time. oh and i've been wanting to get back into my agatha christie... you guys should try listening to the dreaming while reading an agatha christie book. it's a head trip you'll never forget.
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Sunday, 24 September 2006 00:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dare Of The Hog (Bimble...), Sunday, 24 September 2006 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link
oh and a dash or two of Liz Phair along the way. And Madonna, of course. Yeah.
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Sunday, 24 September 2006 01:03 (seventeen years ago) link
hehe, i know, i know, enough
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Sunday, 24 September 2006 01:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dare Of The Hog (Bimble...), Sunday, 24 September 2006 01:13 (seventeen years ago) link
joanni is really getting on my good side. hmm. coral room, uh oh...
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Sunday, 24 September 2006 01:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― ross m (Snorb), Sunday, 24 September 2006 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― ross m (Snorb), Sunday, 24 September 2006 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Sunday, 24 September 2006 18:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Monday, 25 September 2006 12:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Monday, 25 September 2006 12:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― ross m (Snorb), Monday, 25 September 2006 18:26 (seventeen years ago) link
is that an expression?
i mean, take songs like Delius, Blow Away, Violin and The Wedding List. the structure of the melodies and music of those songs is sooo freakin loopy - it's really hard to put your finger on it. even on the more "weird" and "experimental" The Dreaming, there are no melodies as erratic as Violin and The Wedding List. and the sheer compositional quality of Delius and Blow Away challenges even the most innovative arrangements on The Dreaming.
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Monday, 25 September 2006 18:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Monday, 25 September 2006 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link
pulsating instrumentation
and
intervals as melody
;P
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 21:27 (seventeen years ago) link
could be totally wrong
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Sunday, 1 October 2006 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Sunday, 1 October 2006 18:54 (seventeen years ago) link
it's cute
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Monday, 2 October 2006 23:56 (seventeen years ago) link
blow away
::WAIL::
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Friday, 6 October 2006 20:06 (seventeen years ago) link
Btw. Ramzi, is there any other music you like, besides Kate Bush? Being so heavily into Kate Bush, I guess you might enjoy Peter Gabriel, Joni Mitchell or Tori Amos... :)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 6 October 2006 23:49 (seventeen years ago) link
any other music? hehe, okay. i started with The Breeders as a preteen - obsessed (still love em). Then came Belly, Throwing Muses, Juliana Hatfield, Bjork (BJORK!). Then came the whole Pink Floyd, Emerson Lake and Palmer, Zep, The Doors thing. Then TORI TORI TORI. And sprinkle some Joni in.
Then, senior year of college (year and a half ago now?), Kate Bush. Biggest, baddest, most recent.
Never heard the Gabriel! I know, I should investigate right? Or Bowie?
so yeah. thanks for rearing your geiry head! ;P
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Saturday, 7 October 2006 00:23 (seventeen years ago) link
Anyway, so I see you only discovered the Kate. That might explain your terrible obsession now, and I hope the likes of Geir gives you a break when they consider that this is all very new to you.
Never heard of Peter Gabriel? Ouch. If there was ever a perfect male accompaniment to Kate, it's him. They've done more than one duet together I assume you know? Try "Don't Give Up" on Gabriel's "So" album for starters, you'll recognize Kate's voice in there right away. They also did a duet of Roy Harper's "Another Day" but I don't know if that exists with anything other than HORRIBLE sound quality. I've got a video of them together on a TV program doing that, but again horrible quality. Anyway as far as Gabriel solo, I must stick my head in and recommend either his self-titled album with the melted face sleeve (he has a lot of albums titled Peter Gabriel, so watch out, they are known by the sleeves) which I believe also features Kate on backing vocals on a few tracks, and also I particularly like his live album from the early 80's entitled "Peter Gabriel Plays Live" which if you've read the entire Aerial thread you will have already bored of hearing me speak about! Haha.
Bless you Ramzi.
― Bimble the Thimble (Bimble...), Saturday, 7 October 2006 00:50 (seventeen years ago) link
will add more later (as i'm sure you fully expect) ;P
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― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Saturday, 7 October 2006 01:05 (seventeen years ago) link
You may start by checking out "Don't Give Up" and "Games Without Frontiers", considering Kate Bush sings on both. :)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 7 October 2006 13:25 (seventeen years ago) link
cornier
than her
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Saturday, 7 October 2006 17:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Saturday, 7 October 2006 20:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― Bassment Jacks (Bimble...), Saturday, 7 October 2006 23:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Sunday, 8 October 2006 04:41 (seventeen years ago) link
― Bassment Jacks (Bimble...), Sunday, 8 October 2006 09:13 (seventeen years ago) link
wait, what are you humming?
and he said, The Dreaming, like the song - i was so impressed! ;P
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Sunday, 8 October 2006 19:18 (seventeen years ago) link
anyway, i'm getting really into Constellation of the Heart.
it seems like this really fun song that could have been played in a video arcade in like 1989.
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Monday, 9 October 2006 15:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 9 October 2006 16:22 (seventeen years ago) link
"ban ramzi awn"
on this thread i started today. i didn't even say a mean word to anyone. what's wrong with people? why do mean people exist? i was so excited too, cuz it was my first successful thread. got a lot of responses.
― Ramzi Awn (rra123), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 00:04 (seventeen years ago) link
oh my!!! poor me. on a music-related note, this album is still tops.
― Surmounter, Monday, 27 August 2007 23:42 (sixteen years ago) link
very Fall.
― Surmounter, Monday, 27 August 2007 23:43 (sixteen years ago) link
Haha apparently -- I just put this on for the first time in like 15 years! (Then searched for thread.)
― anatol_merklich, Tuesday, 29 September 2009 22:41 (fourteen years ago) link
Holy shit it's only five albums ago*, but it just dawned on me that in a moment this thing is thirty years old!
*) Counting Aerial as "current". Lol bushtime. :)
― anatol_merklich, Tuesday, 29 September 2009 23:04 (fourteen years ago) link
thirty! aahhh!
― surm, Tuesday, 29 September 2009 23:18 (fourteen years ago) link
i like this better than all her records except for the dreaming
sad to see geir more on the money on this than estie buttez, rip
― velko, Tuesday, 29 September 2009 23:22 (fourteen years ago) link
GREAT headphone/earbud album. Delius into Blow Away is masterful. Then hang around for the rest... This girl was channeling some real olde tyme witchy energy as a youth, I'm certain.
― Bow Before Zeezrom!!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 16 April 2010 08:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Lovely thread. I feel I should put this on today, but I'm at one of kate's opposites on the musical wheel right now.
― Ismael Klata, Friday, 16 April 2010 08:35 (fourteen years ago) link
What is that weeping half-synth-half-guitar noise that's all over Egypt? It makes me sit up and take notice every time I hear it and I have never heard it on any other record ever.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 6 April 2014 14:41 (ten years ago) link
i assumed it was some monophonic synth sound, but not sure exactly
― clouds, Sunday, 6 April 2014 16:00 (ten years ago) link
Minimoog according to Discogs. Also a Prophet-5 on it but pretty sure that's deployed in the coda.
― Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 6 April 2014 19:08 (ten years ago) link
This is totally classic. Don't forget to mix Blow Away for Bill with Night Scented Stock, because they do indeed sync perfectly.
― Unchanging Window (Ross), Sunday, 9 July 2017 06:32 (six years ago) link
* sync the intro of blow away with Night sceneted stock as they produce harmonies that mesh
― Unchanging Window (Ross), Sunday, 9 July 2017 06:34 (six years ago) link