I am currently researching the production of "I feel love" by Donna Summer and Giorgio Moroder. I already emailed the master himself, and he was kind enough to send me a weird graphic, but that is not very instructive.
I am particularily interested in the delay effect that he uses to "double" the synth riff, and the other means with which he creates "metrical dissonances", e.g. the echo effects. I wonder how they were produced and I am interested in all other production info or trivia.
I did some reserach in the sources that are available in my library and the internet, but I think there must be more to it.
Any hints to sources etc?
Tilman
― Tilman Baumgaertel (mail at tilmanbaumgaertel.net), Thursday, 21 September 2006 14:25 (seventeen years ago) link
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― frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Thursday, 21 September 2006 14:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 21 September 2006 14:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― and PappaWheelie, author of Have You Ever Been Poxy Fuled? (PappaWheelie 2), Thursday, 21 September 2006 14:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― and PappaWheelie, author of Have You Ever Been Poxy Fuled? (PappaWheelie 2), Thursday, 21 September 2006 14:38 (seventeen years ago) link
As far as the graphic is concerned, I have to figure out if I can post graphics here...
― Tilman Baumgaertel (mail at tilmanbaumgaertel.net), Thursday, 21 September 2006 14:54 (seventeen years ago) link
(to post an image: if you've uploaded the file, type the url and put an i before http in your post)
― willem -- (willem), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― geoff (gcannon), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:26 (seventeen years ago) link
Upload it to www.photobucket.com
This will give you a link
Come back here and type and "i" (w/o quotes of course) before pasting the link here, no spaces
― and PappaWheelie, author of Have You Ever Been Poxy Fuled? (PappaWheelie 2), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:31 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.thing.de/tilman/i%20feel%20love.jpg
Explains everything, doesnt it?
This is his email reply:
"Dear Mr. Tilmanthis is the only way i can help you
salutiGiorgio Moroder"
T.
― Tilman Baumgaertel (mail at tilmanbaumgaertel.net), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:41 (seventeen years ago) link
― geoff (gcannon), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link
DJ'ing this track out and mixing in one headphone has proven this to be the case also
― and PappaWheelie, author of Have You Ever Been Poxy Fuled? (PappaWheelie 2), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:47 (seventeen years ago) link
The man is God.
― the dow nut industrial average dead joe mama besser (donut), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:16 (seventeen years ago) link
This is what I meant by
You have to make sure you've got the left earphone on to mix it properly
― and PappaWheelie, author of Have You Ever Been Poxy Fuled? (PappaWheelie 2), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― the dow nut industrial average dead joe mama besser (donut), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:20 (seventeen years ago) link
i feel love is one of my all time favourite records ever. i blame my sister. she played it rather a lot when it came out.
― frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link
xpost
― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link
or mix on the snare!
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― and PappaWheelie, author of Have You Ever Been Poxy Fuled? (PappaWheelie 2), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― grady (grady), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dan Heilman (The Deacon), Thursday, 21 September 2006 17:12 (seventeen years ago) link
Drum machine? He produced the "drums" using noise-wave on a synth, didn't he? At least they sound that way. :)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 21 September 2006 18:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― Palomino (Palomino), Thursday, 21 September 2006 20:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― and PappaWheelie, author of Have You Ever Been Poxy Fuled? (PappaWheelie 2), Thursday, 21 September 2006 20:41 (seventeen years ago) link
You mean, "I Feel Love" was not disco?
-- Geir Hongro (geirhon...), June 15th, 2005.
You mean, "I Feel Love" was not disco
I Feel Love has neither drum machines, nor vocoders.
-- PappaWheelie (pappawheeli...), June 15th, 2005.
Drum machines, kind of, yes. And certainly lots of synths.
― and PappaWheelie, author of Have You Ever Been Poxy Fuled? (PappaWheelie 2), Thursday, 21 September 2006 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 21 September 2006 22:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― grady (grady), Thursday, 21 September 2006 22:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 21 September 2006 22:44 (seventeen years ago) link
So anyway, any more information on the use of tape loops in the production of "I feel love"? Or any source for this info?
I am asking all this, because I am writing a book on loops, by the way, and "I feel love" will be subject of the final chapter, on which I am currently working...
― Tilman Baumgaertel (mail at tilmanbaumgaertel.net), Friday, 22 September 2006 02:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 22 September 2006 03:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 22 September 2006 04:51 (seventeen years ago) link
In a break with protocol, the producer composed the backing track in advance of the melody, developing a bass line that, due to the technilogical limits of the Moog, comprised a short sequence of notes. "It was very difficult to work because the oscillators didn't have quartz to keep the frequency steady, and so it was always out of tune." Moroder introduced a degree of variety by altering the key at regular intervals, although finding a synthesized sound that resembled a drum was only partially achievable. "We managed to create a snare and a hi-hat, but we couldn't find a punchy enough bass drum. Eventually we just did an overdub."
...and then it moves on to talk about the left/right thing.
― grady (grady), Friday, 22 September 2006 06:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― grady (grady), Friday, 22 September 2006 06:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― Buffalo Stan (Buffalo Stan), Friday, 22 September 2006 08:47 (seventeen years ago) link
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― jed_ (jed), Friday, 22 September 2006 18:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― Fetchboy (Felcher), Friday, 22 September 2006 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link
Tape loops were one of two sampling methods used in Hip-Hop before samplers became readily available (the other being turntables, obv).
Steve Ett was known to do it (Beastie Boys' Rhyming & Stealing, Public Enemy's Public Enemy Number 1, etc.).
I'm I misunderstanding?
― and PappaWheelie, author of Have You Ever Been Poxy Fuled? (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 22 September 2006 18:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 23 September 2006 03:43 (seventeen years ago) link
I hope that graphic makes it into every Encyclopedia of Symbology and at least one radio telescope transmission into space.
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 21:34 (ten years ago) link
I'm with that. I'm amazed/amused at how that took off online after I posted it -- already reblogged by Matt Fraction and Wil Wheaton!
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 21:40 (ten years ago) link