Randy Newman: C or D/S & D

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I almost hate to do this because I have a feeling he will be lambasted as a Disney whore, 3 Dog Night lyricist and buddy of Don Henley's, but let's talk about Mr. Newman.

Randy Newman Creates Something New Under The Sun, 12 Songs, Sail Away & Good Old Boys are funny and sad and beautiful. I should have a million things to say about these records because they make me think and feel so differently than just about anything else I listen to, but I feel like I can't say anything that doesn't sound trite compared to the complexity and ambiguity of the records themselves.

fritz, Monday, 25 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Cain slew Abel, Seth knew not why
For if the children of Israel were to multiply
Why must any of the children die?
So he asked the Lord
And the Lord said:

"Man means nothing, he means less to me
Than the lowliest cactus flower
Or the humblest Yucca tree
He chases round this desert
'Cause he thinks that's where I'll be
That's why I love mankind

I recoil in horror from the foulness of thee
From the squalor and the filth and the misery
How we laugh up here in heaven at the prayers you offer me
That's why I love mankind"

The Christians and the Jews were having a jamboree
The Buddhists and the Hindus joined on satellite TV
They picked their four greatest priests
And they began to speak
They said, "Lord, a plague is on the world
Lord, no man is free
The temples that we built to you
Have tumbled into the sea
Lord, if you won't take care of us
Won't you please, please let us be?"
And the Lord said
And the Lord said

"I burn down your cities - how blind you must be
I take from you your children and you say how blessed are we
You all must be crazy to put your faith in me
That's why I love mankind
You really need me
That's why I love mankind"

fritz, Monday, 25 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I cannot stand his brand of funny/sad the hokey way he sings it, or most people who sing his songs. Yuck! However, I love Nilsson Sings Newman and wish there was more of it. Alan Price's covers were okay, too.

Curt, Monday, 25 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

He's become an American Institution. He can't sing, and his style is vaudevillian, but the nasty wit, catchy tunes and capable skill on the piano has served him well. "Born Again", alone as a record, makes him a classic in every sense of the word.

brian, Monday, 25 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Classic right through 1974's Good Old Boys, after which point he goes from being just too darn smarmy to still be interesting, and graduates into slick LA studio pop. I never heard his last one, Bad Love, which I understand was something of a return to form.

I'm not really a movie score buff, though the ones I've heard of his have been nice, if not spectacularly engaging. Also of interest is to plot Newman's career alongside his bizarro-world twin, Van Dyke Parks.

dleone, Monday, 25 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I just got a Harpers Bizarre compilation which, surprisingly to me, has a lot of his stuff (and Van Dyke Parks and Nillson). Not to say that their versions are much good but it made me go back and listen to Newman again. I think it's the vaudvillean treatments that sometimes grate on me but, overall, i'd rate him as mildly classic.

philT, Monday, 25 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Harpers Bizarre

Featuring one Ted Templeman, of Van Halen and Doobie Brothers (!) production fame. LA is one big, incestuous petri dish.

dleone, Monday, 25 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Ted Templeman also produced Captain Beefheart's Clear Spot. How's that for weird? Plus, who's more, er, temperamental: Don Van Vliet or David Lee Roth?

hstencil, Monday, 25 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Classic classic classic. Has anyone listened to "Political Science (let's drop the big one)" since sept 11th? If not, go & do so now. My god it sounds apposite.

Randy's first LP is an extraordinary piece of work, one of the most ambitious records ever made. It succeeds on every level. Sail Away, Good Old Boys are also.... gosh Fritz, you're right. These *are* difficult records to describe without sounding trite. Nilsson Sigs Newman is also up here as one of the greatest records ever made. Yep, another banal trte statement. But 'tis true.

And he finally won an Oscar last night. Hoo-ray!!!

harveyw, Monday, 25 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Total genius. Even the weak ones have moments of total transcendence - the title track of "Little Criminals" is great, and so's "In Germany Before the War" -- Jesus Christ. Total genius.

John Darnielle, Monday, 25 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Both fritz and dleone are OTM here. "Born Again," "Little Criminals" and "Trouble in Paradise" are hit and miss, but "12 Songs," "Good Old Boys" and (especially) "Sail Away" are consistently brilliant and timely even thirty years on. I'm willing to forgive his mediocre-at- best nineties albums and his godawful Disney soundtrack work just because of these records. I'm even willing to forgive the terrible cover versions of some of his songs, and the fact that he got Jennifer Warnes to sing on the "Ragtime" soundtrack (which is otherwise pretty good, actually).

I actually just bought a new copy of "Good Old Boys" yesterday. Even now, I'm afraid that somebody's going to catch me singing along with "Rednecks" and jump to the wrong conclusion. That ought to count for something!

J, Monday, 25 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

yeah what john d. said..."In Germany Before the War" is 1 of my fav songs by him...& what about that "Story of a Rock'n'Roll Band"...

duane, Monday, 25 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

classic. the sheer volume of quirky-pithy-compelling songs is enough to garner him a permanent place in the pantheon of all-time American songwritng greats. cannot echo the sentiments about "in germany before the war" enough...

Phong Wiedermeier, Tuesday, 26 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Don Henley is at his best as protagonist in the 2 Faust songs on "Randy Newman's Faust", heavy metal ad absurdum (impossible but true)

Newman's an honest American artist, and perhaps one of the few well known guys even slightly connected in show-biz who'll acknowledge all those contradictions in American society and hang them out to dry -- a real-life Trojan Horse

like Jack Nitzsche, he might be a backroom boy in the bullshit showbiz world, but here's a guy who delivers America faithfully when it's his turn to make an album -- never confuse his work with his art -- and full credit to him for clearly distinguishing the two

George Gosset, Tuesday, 26 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I'll say classic, but best taken in small doses. I have the "Lonely At The Top" comp which has pretty much all his best songs on it - all the ones mentioned upthread anyway. I particularly love "Short People" for no good reason.

Also search: his very funny/sharp Oscar acceptance speech Sunday night.

Jeff W, Tuesday, 26 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Also the boxed set "Guilty" has a great cover and liner notes. And if you ever get the chance to see him live, he's great there, too. Encores with Fats Domino's "Blue Monday."

John Darnielle, Tuesday, 26 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

11 months pass...
Revive?

I've always been on the fence about Randy. I wouldn't hesitate to call myself a fan, and that includes records like Little Criminals and Born Again even as they creep toward total immersion in dim Tom Lehreresque satire . . . that mars even the early records. (Which was the record with "It's Money That Matters"? That was awful.)

I actually think many of his best songs were written very early. His first album has some brilliant ones but unfortunately Newman hasn't really learnd to use his voice to his best advantage yet. Someone should compile a collection of singles written by Randy and performed by others, from the days when he was a songwriter-for-hire à la Carole King.

Dusty's version of "I've Been Wrong Before" is the best thing I associate with Randy. "Suzanne" is pretty great too. Although I adore Leonard Cohen it is a pretty nice riposte just the same.

As for his supposed nastiness (he often repeats the line that he was the most offensive thing on the radio before gangsta rap), I actually wish he would have indulged it a bit more, especially on Good Old Boys which seems like a bit of a hedge to me.

Amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 9 March 2003 20:52 (10 years ago) Permalink

Oh, I think Good Old Boys is mighty dark. "A Wedding in Cherokee County," "Birmingham," "Rednecks" -- not pulling punches, just talking above the target.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Sunday, 9 March 2003 21:19 (10 years ago) Permalink

You're right, John, it is fairly inflammatory. I guess my beef with Good Old Boys is the relative softness of the targets. He doesn't seem to be challenging what he knows to be his audience as much as some have made out, aside from the part when he spins off the list of black ghettoes at the end of "Rednecks." That part suggests a promising exposure of Northern hypocrisy which he never follows through on. Maybe it's just that punk and whatever else has come up in the past 25 years has diminished the power of Newman to shock.

I still don't think the record is all that great, except for a few stray things like "Louisiana 1927" and "Guity."

Hm, I don't know what's come over me; I've been needlessly argumentative lately, which Lord knows is not what this board needs.

Amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 9 March 2003 22:48 (10 years ago) Permalink

search 12 songs and sail away as prime dollar bin gold.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 9 March 2003 23:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

"12 Songs" remains, in my opine, the one essential Newman work. "Good Old Boys" is very nice too...I'm from the south, and he gets it. Someone above--amateurist?--said that "It's Money I Love" was no good, I disagree..."Born Again" is a very underrated record indeed.

Randy Newman is, again in my 'umble opinion, the best songwriter of the last...name it. Also, a great orchestrator, arranger...in short, he leaves most of the folks who've done popular music since about 1965 in the dust. Unless, of course, craft and all that old-fashioned stuff don't mean anything to you, which I can well understand how it might not...a conflicted American artist and one that we as conflicted Americans should be right proud of...I've listened to 'em all and really there's not a bad Randy Newman record with the possible exception of "Little Criminals."

Jess Hill (jesshill), Sunday, 9 March 2003 23:36 (10 years ago) Permalink

"It's Money That Matters" and "It's Money That I Love" are two different songs, I think.

Newman's ability to turn jokey premises into genuinely moving (or disturbing) performances is pretty impressive, and I think most of his power comes from his ambiguity: he's always been on the fence about everything - which, ironically, (I think ironically: I've always been wary of using that word ever since an editor told me 99% of the time it was used wrongly) can make it hard to really love, not just admire him. But when Newman sings certain songs - like "Davy the Fat Boy" or "Suzanne" or "God's Song" - I get the sense that he BELIEVES what he says, at least at the moment, and he's allowed himself to be taken over by the subject of the song, and that's not something I can say of someone like Zappa, who rarely (never? I couldn't say, as I can't make myself listen to all 654,000 of his albums to be sure) shows any sympathy or warmth for anything he ridicules. Newman is all about the contradictions, and I like that.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 10 March 2003 07:33 (10 years ago) Permalink

8 months pass...
there was a fantastic tv special (only half an hour long !) on channel 4 on friday night. jon roson narrated, he's like an *insane* fan. there was this incredible edit where our man talked about how, as a youth, he'd wanted to relate to/be like springsteen but couldn't. was, he wondered aloud, anyone out there who felt like him ; malevolent, sarchastic, jewish, etc etc.
very quickly an air-punching brooce clip ("baaaaawn in the usa ...i was...baaaaawn!!!...") cuts to newman tinkling live, 1st verse in on 'old kentucky home'("sister sue is short n stout, she never grew up, she grew out...") oh it was a fantastic shortcut thru the usual documentary waffle.

piscesboy, Monday, 24 November 2003 12:15 (9 years ago) Permalink

piscesboy otm

Jim Robinson (Original Miscreant), Monday, 24 November 2003 17:50 (9 years ago) Permalink

Worth watching for the clips fromMastermind with the contestant who was bested by Ronson and John Humphries 'he's a bit of a bigot isn't he' quote. Disappointing you didn't see Newman's reaction to that.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 24 November 2003 23:11 (9 years ago) Permalink

Don't sleep on Bad Love, it's grate!

chris herrington (chris herrington), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 03:59 (9 years ago) Permalink

The Ronson show was great. Totally opened my eyes. My fave bit was when Ronson described how Randy toyed with the idea of sending a note to the family of a fan who killed himself while leaving one of randy's tracks on repeat('laughing boy'?). The note was to read..

'Thanks for the compliment'

Just for that comment, he is now a hero of mine.

neil simpson (neil simpson), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 12:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

what a surprise. despite the fact that pop is generally sneered @ compared to, y'know *proper* art, alleged brainboxes like the clown humphries can't even spot the irony in a song like 'short people'.

oh just fck off to the opera and leave pop alone.

magnusson would have known better !

piscesboy, Tuesday, 25 November 2003 12:53 (9 years ago) Permalink

I was away when the Jon Ronson show was transmitted, tho had heard about it weeks ago. Did any kind soul out there record it? Any chance of a copy?

harveyw (harveyw), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 15:19 (9 years ago) Permalink

4 years pass...

new album out today, Harps and Angels to which I just started listening

the arrangement on the title track is just breathtaking, as is the vocal delivery

J0hn D., Tuesday, 5 August 2008 14:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

2nd song is a devastating/devastated lost-love ballad in the style of "Living Without You" and others in that unironic mode - it is brutal

J0hn D., Tuesday, 5 August 2008 14:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

awes. i've been curious, but on a budget :/

bad love was ok! (can not believe that was like 9 years ago)

will, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 14:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

oh cool I hadn't realized a new record was coming out. I've been listening through the box set with the kids a lot lately, and in particular the cd of film music has been hitting hard. Those arrangements! And these are more recent work than the usual classic stuff I focus on with Newman, so I'm totally open minded about new work with him.

Euler, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 14:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

I can't make it past this 2nd song. It is so incredible. I think you have to be old to dig it but I could be wrong.

J0hn D., Tuesday, 5 August 2008 19:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

the substitution chord he goes for at about 1:48 is just unspeakable cruelty

J0hn D., Tuesday, 5 August 2008 19:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

I met a bunch of guys I went to school with a few days ago and they're all massive Randy Newman fans. Thought it was kinda weird, I mean they're all like 20 but Randy Newman is the big thing.

I know, right?, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 19:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

Just sayin'

I know, right?, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 19:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

That's good news!

J0hn D., Tuesday, 5 August 2008 20:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

amazing lyric (especially considering that, as far as I know, RN & JB go to the same parties) in re: class disparity in the U.S.:

Jesus Christ it stinks here high and low
The rich are getting richer, I should know
While we're going up, you're going down
And no-one gives a shit but Jackson Browne

J0hn D., Tuesday, 5 August 2008 20:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah this is a much more bitter & better album than Bad Love

J0hn D., Tuesday, 5 August 2008 20:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

i think i was around 19 or 20 when my boy j@s0n brought home 12 Songs & Good 'Ol Boys home from Davidson. Pretty much all we listened to that entire summer. well, that, Steely Dan, Some Girls & ATLiens.

lol old heads

will, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 20:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

oh man he reprises "Feels Like Home" from Faust (there sung by Bonnie Raitt), I mean this is one of the hardest most devastating songs

holy Christ

J0hn D., Tuesday, 5 August 2008 20:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

there's a live version (piano + vocals) on the box set (of "Feels Like Home"). Does the new version have a fuller arrangement? It's a powerful song, "I can almost see through the dark there's a light", *almost*.

Euler, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 20:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

it's arranged, yes. I mean, I love this song on Faust; it's like the crystallization of every song in its mode - Newman in his maturity has a subtlety that's almost invisible ("hope this feeling lasts/for the rest of my life" contains the seed of that hope's vanity & hopelessness). Here, it's pretty huge; he puts it at the end of the album, which I read as: "You may have missed this one. It's one of my good ones, have a look."

I really love Newman in his love-that-will-surely-kill-you mode, it wastes me.

J0hn D., Tuesday, 5 August 2008 20:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

John, you're selling this to me. Was thinking about getting this but the reviews I'd seen were a little sniffy. Is there anything as bleakly comic as 'The Great Nations of Europe' on it?

Billy Dods, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 20:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

haha yes a couple of things. the main thing is, his structures are really complex now - they use to be more readily available, now they sound loose. They're not, actually, but they demand more scrutiny than a lot of stuff. Van Dyke Parks comes to mind - that kind of "so much going on it seems chaotic/unfocused."

But to me the album's about 3/4 "Great Nations" and 1/4 "Feels Like Home." I could go with all "Feels Like Home," 'cause I'm emo like that, but if irascible Randy is yr deal, well, how you not gonna like a song like "Korean Parents"?

J0hn D., Tuesday, 5 August 2008 20:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

John's doing a great job of selling this already but Losing You completely floors me. I interviewed him recently and he said he always prefers the bitter songs but he knows that most people will go for Losing You and Feels Like Home, just like they went for I Miss You or I Think It's Going to Rain Today, even though he thinks he sounds "mewly" when he sings ballads. I must say most people have a point - the older he gets, the more devastating the sad songs become. Potholes has a jollier arrangement but the lyrics are heartbreaking - the story about his shitty dad showing him up in front of his wife-to-be is true.

Dorianlynskey, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 23:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

Jesus Christ it stinks here high and low
The rich are getting richer, I should know
While we're going up, you're going down
And no-one gives a shit but Jackson Browne

Damn, this is pretty good.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 00:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

I got a chance to hear the first couple of songs on this today, and though I *really* want a new randy newman album to be good, they weren't knocking me out. part of it was that a lot of the music sounded familiar, which is always going to be a problem for someone who bases their harmonic ideas on music written 75-100 years ago -- but in this case, i actually thought they sounded mostly like other randy newman songs. i'll listen to the rest of the record today and hope for the best.

in fairness, I liked but didn't love Bad Love, and can barely stand to listen to Faust. I may be a randy newman rockist.

Dominique, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 01:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

I love Faust unreservedly.

J0hn D., Wednesday, 6 August 2008 01:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

thomp, Friday, 10 August 2012 23:37 (9 months ago) Permalink

they are distinguishable by most readers. you can't make the distinction. you're also not listening to anybody's explanation, but gainsaying it immediately. there is no point. cling to your wrong opinion, you aren't interested in actually understanding the song.

steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 10 August 2012 23:37 (9 months ago) Permalink

lol for a LONG time I was like "I do not fucking get it" with those Onion cartoons

steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 10 August 2012 23:37 (9 months ago) Permalink

If you hand me two bucktoothed, slant-eyed, yellow-skinned caricatures of Chinese people,

except you're not being handed a caricature of Chinese people

you're being handed a caricature of a narrator

you don't understand that, you think the narrator has to say I AM A NARRATOR or it's racism, but that's just your own weird trip

steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 10 August 2012 23:39 (9 months ago) Permalink

aero I appreciate you goin in on the line readings but yeah I think those lines are pretty weak as signifiers of greater depth - Newman works this angle better elsewhere, it's like his approach is insufficiently developed here. the patronizing undertone in the lines you cite isn't overt enough imho, they're too close to actual patronizing racist lines.

xp

the choogler and the chosen one (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 August 2012 23:41 (9 months ago) Permalink

I'm not claiming it's his masterpiece, it's an early song - B effort from him at best. But that it's clearly, obviously, to almost anyone, a caricature of a stance - that is obvious. Without extratextual clues.

steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 10 August 2012 23:43 (9 months ago) Permalink

you think the narrator has to say I AM A NARRATOR or it's racism

that's ... sort of true. racism is tricky like that.

the choogler and the chosen one (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 August 2012 23:43 (9 months ago) Permalink

and again, retract the blackface claim - he's not saying "We are Siamese." The narrator is white, speaking about an Other, not through an Other's voice. You are wrong to compare that to blackface.

xp lol you really severely do not get it

steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 10 August 2012 23:44 (9 months ago) Permalink

if Randy Newman had sang Kung Fu Fighting would you guys be defending it as satire?

"Kung Fu Fighting" is not reductionist and does not refer or act as meta-commentary on anything from around the same time in the same way "Yellow Man" does, so it's a dumb question. Essentially, Randy Newman never would have written it - it's not like anything he's ever done. "Kung Fu Fighting" was a hit because it played upon the early to mid-70s craze for kung fu movies in urban black neighborhoods. Plus it was sing-songy and catchy as hell - great performance and a good groove, with a fab hook. Carl Douglas (performer of "Kung Fu Fighting") was not, nor has ever been, known for anything else much, and he certainly had no persona that would have provided the context necessary to see it any other way.

Mo, I've got to be believe that if you were much of a Randy Newman fan you would have heard this song long ago. Randy Newman's never been the big seller that one might expect from his acclaim and long career, in part that's because context is generally needed to see all the facets of his work. It's a bit like "Seinfeld" - low ratings at first, because taken on their own (that is to say, without knowing the characters and actors and without having seen other episodes), "Seinfeld" does not seem very funny. It's only when the viewer - through repetition and variations of themes - understands the patterns that the show comes alive. (If you like it, that is!) So I think if you spent more time with Newman and don't hold onto this grudge, the song will began to appeal in a different way. It's worth it, in my opinion.

Steven Fucking Tyler's last few comments take a different tack, but get it exactly right, Mo. I don't think you're trying, you're avoiding reasonable explanations and making silly and inaccurate comparisons (re: the Chinese caricatures and "Kung Fu Fighting") and not really understanding the implicit idea that there is a narrator there . . . just like there is in nearly every other song.

crustaceanrebel, Friday, 10 August 2012 23:44 (9 months ago) Permalink

"Kung Fu Fighting" does not refer or act as meta-commentary on anything from around the same time

hahaha this is a joke right

the choogler and the chosen one (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 August 2012 23:46 (9 months ago) Permalink

that's ... sort of true. racism is tricky like that.

Again, to you. "Yellow Man" was on the first Randy Newman album I ever had, and I didn't know a thing about him at all. I still got it. Deeper knowledge and further listenings through the years certainly *add* context. But while racism might be "tricky" for you, it doesn't appear to be as tricky for some of the rest of us.

crustaceanrebel, Friday, 10 August 2012 23:47 (9 months ago) Permalink

The narrator is white, speaking about an Other, not through an Other's voice.

wait isn't the Other in this case the racist lol

my only point about the blackface thing was that it's dangerous for white people to attempt to appropriate racist imagery with the intention of showing how racist it is. if it isn't done deftly and with a lot of care, it risks just being another reproduction of racist imagery. which is essentially what happened in Yellow Man.

the choogler and the chosen one (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 August 2012 23:50 (9 months ago) Permalink

also I hate Seinfeld fwiw

the choogler and the chosen one (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 August 2012 23:51 (9 months ago) Permalink

Shakey, I bear you no ill will so I'm going to try again. Literally every line of "Yellow Man" is a clichéd white description of the exoticized other. Kung Fu Fighting, on the other hand, is actually trying to describe then-trendy kung fu movies, and while the language is indeed racist, it's not textbook you've-actually-heard-people-say-this racism like "very far away in a foreign land live a yellow woman and the yellow man." note that this first line situates our narrator and goes out of its way to use the definite article "the" to point out to you, the gentle reader, that an entire race is being reduced to a single person. "Kung Fu Fighting" does not, in fact, have any similar authorial signposts. I consider this explanation pretty clear, but I will also bet five dollars that your opinion is "no way, they're exactly the same."

steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 10 August 2012 23:51 (9 months ago) Permalink

it's not textbook you've-actually-heard-people-say-this racism

apart from the generic term "Chinaman" ... but in the interest of earning $5 I will concede this is a good point

the choogler and the chosen one (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 August 2012 23:55 (9 months ago) Permalink

gotta go now btw

thx for the insights (honest)

the choogler and the chosen one (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 August 2012 23:56 (9 months ago) Permalink

i think marcus says something in 'mystery train' about how newman was reluctant to play this song live. kinda understandable, tho it doesn't necessarily reflect on the song's meaning -- i think 'rednecks' is one of the all-time triumphs of newman's songwriting and a total masterpiece in every way, but i'm not putting it on any party playlists.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 10 August 2012 23:57 (9 months ago) Permalink

if you're still in SF I will straight give you five bones next time I'm out there, a bet's a bet!!

steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 10 August 2012 23:57 (9 months ago) Permalink

Hating "Seinfeld" should not obliterate an understanding of how it works best with external context. I don't like it much either. So what's your point?

I don't even think "Kung Fu Fighting" is racist, to be honest. In fact, the only thing I think anyone could take any offense at is the term "Chinaman," which wasn't intended to cause offense . . . just a little dated (though less so in 1974) and insensitive. But other than that, the song was simply a celebration of kung fu movies . . . and not, as people like to read it, meta-commentary on Chinese people. Unless you're an idiot. But why should art be dumbed down so that idiots don't misunderstand it? (I'm not referring to you, Mo.)

crustaceanrebel, Saturday, 11 August 2012 00:03 (9 months ago) Permalink

wish there were a randy newman song sung from the POV of someone who doesn't like seinfeld.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 11 August 2012 00:09 (9 months ago) Permalink

Now I can't get the image of Shakey (whom I've never met, so can't actually imagine) making a pinched Seinfeld face and saying, "Newman," through clenched teeth.

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 11 August 2012 00:09 (9 months ago) Permalink

they say that it's funny
yes, that's what they say
so i sit down and i watch it
day after day...

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 11 August 2012 00:10 (9 months ago) Permalink

me and a friend did a cover of yellow man when we were stoned and I listened to it a week later and we had like 10 vocal tracks recorded on top of one another and all of them had really heavy reverb or w/e and I was like what the hell were we thinking

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, August 10, 2012 10:37 PM (Yesterday)

hahahaha this is fantastic

drawings by teen cultists (Crabbits), Saturday, 11 August 2012 02:47 (9 months ago) Permalink

I only heard the song "Yellow Man" of Harry Nilsson's NILSSON SINGS NEWMAN, which as mentioned is so shickoingly gorgeous I think I can be excused for never paying attention to the words and somehow thinking it was a moving ode to a full mooon

drawings by teen cultists (Crabbits), Saturday, 11 August 2012 02:49 (9 months ago) Permalink

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 11 August 2012 16:21 (9 months ago) Permalink

you are actually criticizing Randy Newman for getting his tone too perfect

btw I think this is essentially true fwiw and is probably the most illuminating thing I took away from this. to be fair, it doesn't really make me like the song any more - some imperfections in the tone or more overt peek-behind-the-curtains sort of lines would have improved it imho

the choogler and the chosen one (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 13 August 2012 17:59 (9 months ago) Permalink

don't feel bad Shakes, a lot of people out there think that Newman really does love L.A., you even hear the song at Clippers games IIRC

frogbs, Monday, 13 August 2012 18:49 (9 months ago) Permalink

well that's the thing about "i love l.a." of course randy loves the city. it's where he's lived most of his life, and where he has chosen to stay. and of course he sees a lot here to make fun of. his genuine affection for the city he's making fun of is a big part of the soul of that song. (and he's really making gentle fun, at best.)

fact checking cuz, Monday, 13 August 2012 20:32 (9 months ago) Permalink

Shakey being a hueg Tarantino fan adds to the comedy here.

Randy could live anywhere but lives near Hollywood, doesn't he? He does love LA.

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 August 2012 20:47 (9 months ago) Permalink

oh, xp

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 August 2012 20:47 (9 months ago) Permalink

exactly, you just can't take it at face value (I guess it's a bad comp because I Love L.A. has at least SOME truth to it, but c'mon, this is Randy Newman)

frogbs, Monday, 13 August 2012 21:05 (9 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Jazzbo, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 16:11 (8 months ago) Permalink

At last we get to see the comments Rednecks and Short People would have provoked if YouTube had existed in the 70s. The Toy Story guy is racist WTF???

Get wolves (DL), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 16:51 (8 months ago) Permalink

ugh

Flooding ALL & ONLY White countries with non-Whites and telling everyone to "assimilate" to create a "brown future" is White genocide.

Africa will still be full of Africans.

Asia will still be full of Asians.

Only White children will suffer from this.

Read the UN genocide conventions: It is genocide plain and simple!

Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White.

Kevin Culver 13 minutes ago

last few days to vote in the 80s rock poll by.. (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 16:53 (8 months ago) Permalink

dorian that's your fault i read that

last few days to vote in the 80s rock poll by.. (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 16:53 (8 months ago) Permalink

Oh is that the one at the top now? Sorry.

Get wolves (DL), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 17:28 (8 months ago) Permalink

HOW ABOUT IM DREAMING OF FALSE JEW KHAZAR *SYNAGOGUEOF SATAN (REVELATION 2:9) . HAHA :)`
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Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 18:17 (8 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

"Political Science" is CLASSIC. I'd never listened to Randy Newman but the local record store had "Sail Away" and "Good Old Boys" for a dollar each and i have been rocking them for the past week or so. Great stuff, so effing sarcastic.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 17 November 2012 17:03 (6 months ago) Permalink

Gotta say the first song I listened to was "Rednecks" and I was LOLling the entire time.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 17 November 2012 17:06 (6 months ago) Permalink

"college boys from LSU/went in dumb/came out dumb too"

50 Shades of Greil (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 17 November 2012 17:16 (6 months ago) Permalink

Don't know our ass from a hole in the ground

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 17 November 2012 17:18 (6 months ago) Permalink

GOB and SA are on endless repeat at my house this fall. I don't think I've heard a classic record like these that contained so many beautiful songs in a long time.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 18 November 2012 22:20 (6 months ago) Permalink

I mean sweet Jesus, this is some beautiful music.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 18 November 2012 22:21 (6 months ago) Permalink

I've seem him live a few times, and each time I've been amazed by his remarkable economy. For all the words in his songs, there often really aren't that many words. He just makes them all count. "Sail Away," for example, is just three brief verses, and a couple of simple choruses, but the song conveys so much.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 18 November 2012 22:38 (6 months ago) Permalink

sail away's practically an epic!!

attempt to look intentionally nerdy, awkward or (thomp), Monday, 19 November 2012 00:45 (6 months ago) Permalink

Josh otm. He's really the anti-Elvis Costello.

frogbs, Monday, 19 November 2012 15:00 (6 months ago) Permalink

I love how he says "I've been his friend since we were little babies" in "Davy the Fat Boy".

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 19 November 2012 16:29 (6 months ago) Permalink

I went back to that record store (Full Moon Records in Atlanta) and found "Live" and it's pretty damn awesome. Also they had "All Things Must Pass" 3xLP set in very good condition also for $1!

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 19 November 2012 16:55 (6 months ago) Permalink

I love the link he plays in rock history, too. His uncles were all film composers, as are a couple of cousins. Meanwhile, his best bud growing up was Lenny Waronker (they took piano lessons together) whose father Simon (after writing music in Hollywood) founded Liberty records, who made its fortune off Ross Bagdasarian, aka David Saville, who did the Chipmunks (Simon Waronker was where "Simon" came from). Simon parlayed that success into stuff like Jan & Dean. But thanks to Lenny, Liberty/Simon hired Randy Newman as a songwriter when he was still a teen. Eventually Lenny goes to Warner Bros. and brings along Randy and Van Dyke Parks. Etc.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 November 2012 19:53 (6 months ago) Permalink

'davy the fat boy' is blood-chilling, espec: 'YOU'VE GOT TO LET THIS FAT BOY IN YOUR LIFE!'

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 19 November 2012 23:07 (6 months ago) Permalink


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