So, how important is your alterna-weekly these days?

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not sure why I bother to read ours here in Atlanta...if it weren't online, it would never make my rotation.

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

Alterna-what? Almost all weeklies are good. For getting fires started.

trees (treesessplode), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

i work for one and i would say: not very. i don't think the kids/students/young people read it, if that's what "important" means, anyway. is that what it means?

Tyler W (tylerw), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

I haven't read the Portland Mercury or the Willamette Weekly in years.

darin (darin), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

the l.a. weekly is well worth reading if only for jonathan gold's restaurant reviews. he's the best critic writing anywhere i can think of at the moment, including music and film. and i like some of their political coverage, mostly the local stuff. but they've got a lot of shit in their, like that dire 24/seven column and their cobrasnake page and their music section leaves a lot to be desired. and come to think of it, i don't really like their movie section either.

gear (gear), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

i read the dc and baltimore city papers because they're free, i need something to read on the metro, and the baltimore one's actually sorta good

hot car fuckin' fuckfest (teenagequiet), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

if only for jonathan gold's restaurant reviews. he's the best critic writing anywhere i can think of at the moment, including music and film.

What the man said. A true genius.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

and the baltimore one's actually sorta good

aw, bless

david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

More alt-weeklies should stick to their local scenes. I don't know why every weekly paper across the country has to run a "Hey, Jenny Lewis is coming to town" lead feature, or whatever profile of whoever's on tour; the local acts should get the focus.

In Portsmouth, NH we have a weekly paper (The Wire) that regularly sponsors or kickstarts local events. They profile visiting artists, but the locals get at least as much coverage. Granted, it's a small paper for a small town, so just getting a club night together can seem like a big deal. But they also organized a "write and record an album in 28 days" event this past February that drew over 220 artists (with an amazing 75% completion rate). And they release 1-2 compilation CDs a year. It would be pretty fantastic if more small, mid-sized and even large cities had support like that.

save the robot (save the robot), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

being a section editor at an alt-weekly is a lot different than being a devil-may-care freelance writer for one, i can tell you that much

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, you can buy groceries for one thing.

i am all for supporting local acts when they're, you know, worth covering. journalism isn't the fucking special olympics, people.

david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

But I need to know the best ska band in Baltimore.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

A Man's Skatta Eat

david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

Thank you, suicide seems more comfortable now.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

journalism isn't the fucking special olympics, people.

IF YOU'RE TRYING TO TELL MY SPECIAL LITTLE GUY THAT HE CAN'T BE A JOURNALIST I'M GONNA FIND YOU AND MAKE YOU INTO A DELICIOUS FLESH SMOOTHIE.

trees (treesessplode), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

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trees (treesessplode), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

<HFS A DOOZY IZ COMIN>But isn't the mid-mainstream indie world enough of a special olympics?... nyuk nyuk nyuk</OOH YEAH THE CROWD IS IN THE PALM OF TEH HANDS NOW BABY>

San Diva Gyna (and a Masala DOsaNUT on the side) (donut), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

You madman!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

Weekly editing -- good for groceries, not as good for sanity. But they're fun places ... I'm actually excited that Ask a Mexican is starting to get syndication play ... that's a great column. One good result of NT-VV.

O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

In Portsmouth, NH we have a weekly paper (The Wire) that regularly sponsors or kickstarts local events

the wire is fantastic. best alt weekly in new england by far. i wish the portland phoenix was more like it.

Emily B (Emily B), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 21:52 (nineteen years ago)

my friend's band won the city pages poll and was on the cover of the city pages, it sounded like he got a lot of people asking him about it, etc...it seemed to somewhat "help" their career in town.

M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

i am all for supporting local acts when they're, you know, worth covering. journalism isn't the fucking special olympics, people.

Plenty of cities have great local scenes. And think of it this way: if your alt-weekly ran some screed about George Bush or Iraq every week, and never paid attention to local gentrification, or problems with the mayor, or the lack of arts housing, or any other local story, would that constitute a good news section?

save the robot (save the robot), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

straw men are fun!

david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

i don't think i've read anything other than the gig guide in either of melbourne's "alt weeklies" in years (well maybe the occasional cd review)

electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

also, i don't really hold with the "every music related article in an alt-weekly has to be a promo for an upcoming gig, national or local" idea either.

david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

i try to promote local filmmakers, when they're interesting, although i guess local film scenes aren't quite the same as local music scenes.

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

i used local three times in that sentence!

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

Loco

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

the INTERESTING part is the key! especially if you're writing 800+ word profiles! how many variations are there on "a buncha dudes got together and started playing indie rock"??

you gotta search the other stuff out, obviously. though it helps to live in a town with so many goddamn weirdos and a really strong urban music scene. (not to say that weirdos or rappers necessarily have more interesting stories [shit, the rapper's usually have more BORING stories] but still.)

david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

it also helps to live in like the only place in canada people actually make decent movies more than once every 20 years

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

cd and gig reviews are u&k but whining bitcheslocal bands don't think of that as "coverage."

david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

really?? that's ridiculous

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

i mean i'd think those would be WAY more useful to them than profiles

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

haha the saddest thing is that i changed the format of our "gig guide" around (this is separate from both the calendar listings and the "notable shows")...i think i could have raped every one of their mothers in the mouth and it would have mattered less to them.

david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 23:21 (nineteen years ago)

I know a lot of people around here (including myself, from time to time) write for alt-weeklies, but the only value the vast majority of them bring is portability. Yeah, I'm sure they are still a treasure to those people who are too lazy to get on the Internets, but other than the Voice (and hey, we're practically talking past tense on that one) I can't think of one alt-weekly that is a must read. The filler-to-quality ratio seems to grow more dismal with each passing year.

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 23:38 (nineteen years ago)

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gear (gear), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

omg print is dead!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

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Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 23:49 (nineteen years ago)

man egon was such a fox.

Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 23:50 (nineteen years ago)

just use blogz

oh, wrinklepaws! (Wrinklepaws), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 00:04 (nineteen years ago)

or betta yet, myspace bulletins

oh, wrinklepaws! (Wrinklepaws), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

i may be crazy but nobody I know reads the voice anymore. except maybe on the subway quickly , usually to read savage love

boonah (boonah), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 00:38 (nineteen years ago)

i don't think i've read anything other than the gig guide in either of melbourne's "alt weeklies" in years (well maybe the occasional cd review)

it's true, the writing is generally really bad. (our own tim f being the one exception, and he's stuck in the dance section where it appears to be more about showing ten pages of people getting monged at clubs the week before.)

HPSTRKRFT (haitch), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 00:45 (nineteen years ago)

people who are too lazy to get on the Internets

Believe it or not, a lot of people still don't have regular internet access. Those are the people who take our local weekly home and actually read it.

Still, our weekly is less important than it was, oh, ten years ago.

sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 00:47 (nineteen years ago)

Portability is a huge, huge value. As long as there is public transportation we'll need newspapers--might as well make them as good as we can.

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 01:02 (nineteen years ago)

i still read our local weeklies. i mean, i need something to do at lunch.

mts (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 01:09 (nineteen years ago)

I still read the Voice occasionally for Robert Sietsema or maybe Jim Hoberman, and once in a while I even stick around for a feature.

The NYPress is not fit for cage fodder, nor do I own a bird.

Jersey City doesn't really have an "alt-weekly," or rather, every month two new half-assed ones appear and two old half-assed ones cease to appear.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 01:42 (nineteen years ago)

i always used to read the philly papers. i was always interested in local stuff. gossip. sniping. character assassination. baseless accusations. it was all good. i got really sick of the comix though. red meat and all that shit (even barry and groening. sorry guys. i was with you for the first 100 years!).

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 01:58 (nineteen years ago)

not underrating portability or even "regular internet access" (which in the US is a figure of at least 70%, and probably much higher in the markets of key demos for alt-weeklies); just noting that them Internets have greatly reduced influence. And readership.

don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 02:05 (nineteen years ago)

Ernie Pook is still good! I wish our paper still carried it.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 02:30 (nineteen years ago)

but nobody's addressed the flipside - why does every single weekly in the world have to run the same cliched articles about Radiohead coming to town?

anyway, here's the deal: if said alt-weekly is running a "cliched article about radiohead coming to town" it's the editor's fault. (i mean, christ...just look at your examples.) there is a WORLD of music to cover out there, some of which might never even come to your town let alone play the same shitty rock clubs every weekend. does that somehow invalidate it? the idea that long (or short) form rock writing is some form of gig guide on steroids is one of the main reasons alt-weekly writing sucks so fucking much now. the fucking calendar is already there, as are the calendar highlights in whatever form they take in your local.

i never said covering local music wasn't important. but 52 weeks is a drop in the bucket to cover everything that's out there. baltimore has a GREAT local scene in some ways, and i've been pleased and privledged to cover it. but there has to be something there worthwhile to write about. and yeah, sorry kids, but your lame pixies rehash takes a backseat to villalobos or sublime frequencies iraqi folk comp or whatever. if, like everyone says, people only read it for the ads and the calendar listings (and shit, i'm not even really disputing that), well, those things are already there, so i might as well make the extraneous stuff (i.e. the writing) as interesting to as broad a range of people as i possibly can, whether it's lining the bird cage next week or not.

david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

Can I write for your section?

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:06 (nineteen years ago)

OMG. That is the most racist column I have ever read. "Got any questions about Mexicans?" Are you kidding me? I'm not even Mexican and I'm offended. In the last column the writer (who is Mexican)says: " Real life Mexicans actually embrace their stereotypes. I feel like writing in and asking : How many Mexicans does it take to screw in a light bulb? I can't believe a column like that is getting printed in 2006. And every column they run a comical picture of what's supposed to be a drunk Mexican. Am I missing something here? What's so great about it? It needs to be pulled immediately.

You lose. (Gustavo is both more politically aware and funnier than YOU'LL ever be, believe me.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:06 (nineteen years ago)

the main problem is that people take alt-weeklies too seriously on all sides, whether it's the "no one reads them!" brigade or the "stop lowering standards!" brigade.

david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

But I need my 5000 word piece on how Bonnie Prince Billy changed the face of music to appear in print or I will not be validated. Why are you so cruel.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

jess's editorial tactics based on the long tail!!!

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:15 (nineteen years ago)

lol i have to write bonnie prince billy blurb when i go into work tomorrow.

david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

HE USED 2 LIVE HERE U KNOW

david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

Oh good lord, I didn't realize. I would have picked another name!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

Gustavo's column is brilliant! A real yuckfest. And, of course, part of the fun is in watching some folks take the exercise too seriously.

O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

Yup, Will had his Matawan salad days 'round there, didn't he?

O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

go for some meltzer/aidan vaziri crossbreed and pretend oldham really is mike love.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

"You lose. (Gustavo is both more politically aware and funnier than YOU'LL ever be, believe me.)"


I don't think I know you, Ned.Maybe, Gustavo is more politically aware than I am,,but explain to me why. Is he joking when he says "Got any questions about Mexicans?" That's like saying: Got any questions about black people? or Got any questions about Asian people? Who is he targeting here? Who is he explaining Mexican culture to and why does there seem to be some assumption that Mexicans aren't reading the paper or something. I find that cartoon image with the gold tooth offensive. I do take sterotyping seriously.

Makkada B. (Makkada B.), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

eventually i'll be fired for my cavalier attitude towards our advertisers and their back scratching freebieshard spent dollars, but until then i'm drunk and at the wheel of the valdez, baby.

david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

Makkada, there's this thing called 'the Internet,' with which you currently interact. In doing so, you might find things which are called 'search engines,' into which you type words. By typing words, 'resources' and 'websites' are called to your attention, in which case you may read them. In reading them, 'information' can be found, and given to you, the curious personage, who in doing so, may find knowledge regarding certain matters.

Thus, if I type in 'Gustavo Arellano' into a search engine, I am given resources and websites. Why, like this one, a story in which there are words, among them:

Arellano, who is also the OC Weekly food editor, never fancied himself a newspaper columnist. The small-framed, quick-witted and admitted self-promoter had a vision of being a Harvard history professor by the time he was 26. "And I would've done it, too."

He was a film student at Chapman University in Orange when he began reading the OC Weekly. He wrote to its editor, Will Swaim, suggesting story ideas. Swaim was impressed and asked Arellano to write the stories himself.

Arellano resisted at first, but Swaim pressed him. Arellano began writing about the Orange County he knew, including school board politics and his family history in Anaheim, his hometown. Meanwhile, he entered graduate school at UCLA, where he earned a master's in Latin American studies.

As a reporter, Arellano, who calls himself a "good Catholic boy," aggressively covered the sexual abuse scandal in the Diocese of Orange and allegations of corruption against Orange County Latino activist Nativo V. Lopez. He also wrote one of the earliest profiles of Jim Gilchrist, the Aliso Viejo activist who began the border-watching Minuteman Project.

Arellano is driven by a strong sense of loyalty to Orange County. He describes it as the "Ellis Island of the 21st century," a place where a large immigrant population belies the myth of the county as a bastion of white conservatives and big-spending decadence.

"We didn't have to go outside of our little enclave to experience Mexican culture," Arellano said, recalling weekends of Mass attendance, girls' quinceañeras and relatives' baby showers.

....

The column was born when Swaim approached Arellano with an off-the-wall idea: Explain the humor behind a Spanish-language radio advertisement Swaim saw on the side of a bus. At first, Arellano saw the concept as an easy way to make readers chuckle. But in time he realized there was more to "Ask a Mexican" than that.

"The people who write in — they have this preconceived notion of what a Mexican is," Arellano said. "I answer their question, but in a way that's either going to flip the stereotype or going to explode it."

Similar to comedians who satirize their own cultures, including Dave Chappelle and Jeff Foxworthy, Arellano critiques the biases and prejudices of Mexicans and non-Mexicans equally. He freely draws attention to some of the nastier elements of Mexican culture, such as strains of sexism, homophobia and prejudices against other ethnic groups.

"I'm being exotic so that we can remember we're not exotic," Arellano said. "In any minority group, you're always going to have this stigma that you perpetuate on yourself. 'Oh, we're a minority, we're a minority.' My response is 'We're not a minority. Let's get over that and just say, All right, these are the problems we have.' "


....

"A lot of my activist friends say, why do you go on a conservative talk show? Nobody else is doing it," Arellano said at a restaurant in Santa Ana that specializes in food from the Mexican state of Puebla. Nearby, a group of day laborers wailed the day's sweat away with a few songs over a guitar.

"People who don't like Mexicans — nobody is actively engaging them unless it's a protest and they're separated by police," he added.

Arellano pondered this for a moment, then launched into another biting joke: "There's a lot of liberals who hate Mexicans too. I hate a lot of Mexicans, for that matter.

"People from Jalisco are evil. I'm from Zacatecas, and they're right next to us. There's always drama."

Thus, by doing this you have 'information' and 'knowledge,' which can answer many of your questions (and of course, you need not agree with the answers), rather than say, oh, bitching on a random web board without doing ten seconds of research. Amazing. You're welcome.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

Ask a Ned

david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:30 (nineteen years ago)

I stereotype myself constantly, and thus I am self-hating.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:31 (nineteen years ago)

So Ned, what's the deal with your people and the no sideburns thing?

david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

Also the whole lazy, shiftless, greasy thing.

david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

ambiorix burgos.

i misread this as "ambiorix burritos."

mts (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

ned what is with you people and hoagie pits?

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

haha hoagie pits

david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:34 (nineteen years ago)

blount you are the jaymc of ilx putdowns

david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:35 (nineteen years ago)

Sideburn removal is one of those things we do as part of the tradition to signify our freedom from beards, which we think was a curse inflicted upon us in Biblical times. Regrettably we are lazy, shiftless and greasy by default. We dip hoagies in whipped cream and Velveeta on St. Shields' Day as a sign of our deliverance from this fate.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:35 (nineteen years ago)

Ned, I know that Gustavo is well credentialed and accomplished. But that doesn't mean I agree with his approach.

Makkada B. (Makkada B.), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:38 (nineteen years ago)

"Ask A Mexican" is like an even more brain-dead Mind of Mencia.

The Dallas Observer is terrible.
Arts coverage is limited (but so is art, so I guess that's not their fault), the movie reviews aren't half as good as they were a few years ago (but the VV-NT attempt to replace local critics with syndicated Hoberman/Atkinson/etc. only lasted a couple of weeks at least) and they lost the only decent sports columnist in the entire area (John Gonzalez now back in Philly I think. Or Boston.).

Musically, I give the newest editor some credit for trying - he spends a lot of time encouraging people to see live music, talking about hip-hop, and doesn't shill for every shitty band in town. But the rock he does promote leans toward the bad indie spectrum, and the rest of the features and blurbs are just filler before you get to the hooker ads.

milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:40 (nineteen years ago)

x-post -- Then perhaps you could have said simply that and have been done with it, which is a perfectly fine way to approach both the column's ethos and its author, rather than acting like you knew nothing about either in your initial post. Forgive me if that was hardly clear on your part, and forgive me further if I stand by my assertion that your sense of humor seems absent, period.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

damn ned, is this gustavo your piece on the side or something?

david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:43 (nineteen years ago)

My people find it hard to find love.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

man i was just thinking ned should get a high and tight and then i realized NED'S SECRET PAST!!!!!!!!!

NED WAS 'THE GAS FACE' WRITTEN IN RESPONSE TO HOAGIE PITS EFFECT ON SOCIETY/LADIES? CONFIRM OR DENY

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:46 (nineteen years ago)

omg

david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:47 (nineteen years ago)

Society hurt me, Mr. Blount, and I had to lash out in the only way I knew how.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:47 (nineteen years ago)

NEW TIMES GETS THE GAS FACE

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:50 (nineteen years ago)

CREATIVE LOAFING GETS THE GAS FACE

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:51 (nineteen years ago)

FLAGPOLE MOST DEFINITELY GETS THE GAS FACE

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:51 (nineteen years ago)

:-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 23:51 (nineteen years ago)

"Ask a Mexican" could be worse. Try maybe "Ask a Negro Leaguer," which is what we get at the alt.weekly in St. Louis, only because even NT couldn't handle "Ask an Old Black Man."

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Thursday, 27 July 2006 00:01 (nineteen years ago)

i am totally pushing for "ask a white dude" btw

david allen grier (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 27 July 2006 00:09 (nineteen years ago)

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 27 July 2006 00:18 (nineteen years ago)

dammit blount, didn't you have a byline from time to time at Flagpole?

don weiner (don weiner), Thursday, 27 July 2006 01:08 (nineteen years ago)

dammit!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 27 July 2006 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

"My alterna-weekly is so important that [blank]."

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Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 27 July 2006 01:25 (nineteen years ago)

so does being politically aware of racism in OC = being politically aware, period?

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 27 July 2006 02:09 (nineteen years ago)

Christ, now with Ned as Serch I gotta know who Zev Love X is.

nate p. (natepatrin), Thursday, 27 July 2006 02:31 (nineteen years ago)

dammit blount, didn't you have a byline from time to time at Flagpole?

Yeah, for real! I opened this thread totally hoping to see one of James's brutal assaults on Flagpole - our alterna-weekly which is emphatically very not important, except insofar as I think freshmen still really do read it cover to cover just like I did when I was a freshman, so I suspect it has the same lame impact as it did back then. Its political coverage has fallen off completely and the EIC has been showing his true colors as a crotchety old bastard. The music coverage was never fantastic, but there are some occasional bright spots, and the guy with the "root for every band in town!" column actually does a fairly tasteful job of it. There is some negative coverage, although never anything as snarky as the stuff found in Atlanta's red-state broadsheet Stomp & Stammer. (I will say that I love their "Most Regrettable Band Promo Photo of the Month" feature or whatever it's called.) But really, so much of the paper is sort of limp human-interest stuff, and its occasional forays into investigative reporting or "see how the other half lives" tend to be well-intentioned pieces that read like first-draft blogs. We've got one really good comics guy and a whole page of hacks, and in point of fact almost all that anyone picks the paper up for is movie and concert times. Oh, and the classifieds.

See, now James would have been able to say all that in fewer words, and a much higher bile:capital-letters ratio....

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 27 July 2006 02:47 (nineteen years ago)

The Weekly Dig in Boston is useful as a regular and ridiculous salvo of cynicism and black humor. Its music, movie, and dining sections....well, they don't offend. Important? I don't think so.

Sean Braud1s (Sean Braudis), Thursday, 27 July 2006 03:25 (nineteen years ago)

O'Connor, has the NT paper you used to work for improved its site?

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 27 July 2006 11:00 (nineteen years ago)

The Web site, you mean? Well, it's improved from when I was there, which three years back now. Not saying much, though --- NT doesn't seem to put much energy into online.

The paper itself is actually quite good -- some really great reporters and curmudgeons there.

Monty Hall reference rules, btw ... ;-)

O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Thursday, 27 July 2006 11:19 (nineteen years ago)

six years pass...

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/alt-weekly-boston-phoenix-closing

curmudgeon, Friday, 15 March 2013 20:10 (thirteen years ago)

Jess was OTM all over this thread.

The extreme localizing of music coverage (due to nobody being to afford print space anymore): awesome for local musicians, lame for those writers who want to write about oddball/interesting music from somewhere else, even IF those artists are touring locally. (And my God I hate the they music be touring here/have new shit out rule.)

All of which has contributed in the years since this thread was born to me barely writing for alt weeklies today.

Raymond Cummings, Monday, 18 March 2013 10:14 (thirteen years ago)


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