The Future of Outkast

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after reading this , it's hard to be optimistic - even Outkast dont't think "The Mighty O" is all that, but had to release it 'coz it's apparently the only "Idlewild" track they recorded together. as for "Dré's crooned contributions, largely inspired by swing-era jazz"... ugh.

Also, I liked his acting in "The Shield" and "Four Brothers."

"The future of OutKast gotta..."(static)

It's a funk record. If you really think it's an unprecedented achievement, I recommend such obscurities as "1999", "Sign O The Times" "One Nation Under a Groove" "Talking Book" and "Control"

No need to be condescending. Did I say it was an unprecedented achievement? No. But, cmon, it's not just a funk record. There are splashes of hip-hop, pop, rock, soul, jazz and electronica (ugh, horrible word), and a playfullness and unpredictability at work which I personally find, yes, thrilling. Granted, Prince was juggling all these genres twenty-odd years ago, but Andre is certainly not just apeing him; his personality is stamped all over the album.

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It's a funk record

deej OTM!

They had a great run tho, truly something unprecedented in hip-hop.

Welcome to a new year at ILM High!

Give me a fucking break. She was with Andre 3000 - and they broke up - long before there were "problems" in his relationship with Big Boi. And she dated Common, too. So fucking what?

Oh, and for unfortunately-not-the-last-fucking-time, Yoko did NOT break up the Beatles. Their egos did. This is just ignorant bullshit.

Ps Cheers Austin, no offence taken.

If I'm ordering them as a rap fan though, I'd say atliens and southern are better verse for verse than the later two (for me stankonia is their last album). Though aquemini is their most versatile as rappers. They really did a lot of incredible stuff on there as a rap group. Stankonia is more just about the songs.

Their production around the stankonia era was really on fire. I need to dig out all those tracks they did on soundtracks etc

I mean the beat on snappin... was just WTFWTFWTF. Both hard AF and weird AF.

If I'm ordering them as a rap fan though, I'd say atliens and southern are better verse for verse than the later two (for me stankonia is their last album). Though aquemini is their most versatile as rappers. They really did a lot of incredible stuff on there as a rap group. Stankonia is more just about the songs.

― candyman, Saturday, October 31, 2020 10:56 AM bookmarkflaglink

Their production around the stankonia era was really on fire. I need to dig out all those tracks they did on soundtracks etc

― candyman, Saturday, October 31, 2020 10:57 AM bookmarkflaglink

I mean the beat on snappin... was just WTFWTFWTF. Both hard AF and weird AF.

― candyman, Saturday, October 31, 2020 10:58 AM bookmarkflaglink

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I'm glad they finished and stopped making music after stankonia. It's like tribe ending it in 94 (though I love the love movement). Or de la after buhloone. They stopped being a group on a high point. Its like a canon obsessed music critic (maybe that is dre 3000) was in charge of their career.

xpost voodoo otm

that's exactly why I brought up kendrick he doesn't sound like Outkast but I don't think he makes that album without say Aquemini already existing

The sooner ppl stop believing either of them are good independent of each other, the better. Yeah dre3000 did some cool stuff, big boi is never going to do anything outright bad, but ugh, I can't listen to their solo stuff. Dre3000 trying way too hard, and big boi just not able to carry it on his own (sorry but he is all too easily the phife dog of the pair)

ok what

xpost voodoo otm

that's exactly why I brought up kendrick he doesn't sound like Outkast but I don't think he makes that album without say Aquemini already existing

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, October 31, 2020 11:09 AM bookmarkflaglink

otm

i can understand someone who (wrongly) doesn’t like speakerboxxx not liking big boi’s solo stuff, but implying that they aren’t good apart from each other means you don’t like andre’s verse on slimm calhoun’s “it’s ok” which is...not ok

phife was great


fwiw here's kendrick talking about playing bitch don't kill my vibe in the studio for andre and how he's been a huge fan (starts 1:50) starts talking about nas/Illmatic

https://youtu.be/k4Y5UUNkA24

I listened to Lucious Leftfoot quite a bit good album

"trying too hard" is one of those criticisms I find inherently bullshitty like a fancy way of saying "I don't like it", I've done it myself a million times

phife WAS great RIP

he was on point, all the time

what's going on in this thread

mother, mother
everybody thinks they're wrong

[the cable has been disconnected and the lights have been turned out by an moderator]

you and your girl and speakin no more cos my FP all in her mouth

*ain't

Phife was good ofc but do I want to hear his solo work? No.

As I said bb solo isnt bad. But that doesnt mean it's great either. Its fine.

As for trying too hard, I should clarify. I mean, making music that sounds very self conscious. Again,not a bad thing, and i like hey ya, those gwen Stefani songs, and other stuff, but at the time I just thought it was a bit too aware of itself, of what it is. But I should give these albums another chance. Not returned to them in years

Sometimes I think vehment bb fans are just defined by not wanting to be those fans who think dre3000 was the superior member and all that bestows on them

Chico dusty is not better than Stankonia, come on

Phife only had one solo album and it was pretty bleh but most of Q-Tip's solo career also wasn't very good

Sure. But most of dre3000s solo career wasnt fab either!

speakerboxxx is perfect

this ball & g album is up there with the best outkast and goodie mob

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DUJ2rcctw

Snappin & Trappin one of the most annoying unpleasant beats from any group I like. Never liked BOB either but respected the attempt at something avant garde.
Aquemini>Atliens>1st one>Stankonia>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everything else

Throw ur hands up is so good

who cares what Andre's "solo career" is like. he's never even released a solo record. his legacy is outkast and an all time mc

I don't really like listening to Rick Rubin (or how he keeps trying to steer Andre 3000 back into making product here), but it's pretty interesting to hear Andre talk about losing confidence & not wanting to be in the spotlight, just learning different instruments and getting into Steve Reich, etc
https://brokenrecordpodcast.com/episode-13-andre-3000-and-rick-rubin-in-conversation

I used to not like Stankonia as much as the earlier albums but it really opened up to me as I got deeper into electronic music and now it's my favorite. Beautiful fuckin technicolor fantasia

also are y'all talking about the same 3 Stacks who post-Outkast has been putting mindbending verses on the guest rap circuit every time he steps down from the clouds for 15 years?

Maybe we should stop writing off Outkast until after Idlewild comes out.

― max (maxreax), Saturday, June 24, 2006 6:06 AM (fourteen years ago)

ding a fuckin ding ding ding

― Forksclovetofu, Saturday, June 24, 2006 6:09 AM (fourteen years ago)

you know what's actually a really amazing track is "toilet tisha"

true

but like.... this the Possum Aloysius Jenkins y'all are talking about like he ain't been shit since Aquemini? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEdBe04dwms

yeah he has amazing guest verses

you know what's actually a really amazing track is "toilet tisha"

― the late great, Saturday, October 31, 2020 12:26 PM

this would be my honorable mention for the album. great track. almost feels like a genuine classic prince song — and i mean that as a very high compliment.

if anyone else isn't ready to argue with me yet, here: as an album, speakerboxxx is better than stankonia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXY6_jKH_x4

^^ love that song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCE5MwAMgNI

oh shit here we go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r1-v5x0aCk

He's still got the juice, but if he doesn't need the money, I respect him for not wanting to turn all eyes on him and do the album/pr/tour thing. It's got to be weird to know that millions of people are going to hear whatever you do and most will be disappointed no matter what.

"speakerboxxx is better than stankonia."

Some weird kind of cult I'm privy to here

Stankonia is one of my favorite albums of all-time, and for a "messy" album, there's almost nothing I'd cut from it. But the hook on "Snappin and Trappin" is pretty annoying

My only feedback about Stankonia is that Andre was very root with Erykah mama

anybody who refuses to fuck with “so fresh so clean” doesn’t deserve music

Made me fall back in love with patty melts

"who cares what Andre's "solo career" is like. he's never even released a solo record. his legacy is outkast and an all time mc"

Yes hes an all time mc but hes now got the air of I'm too good to do this but ok sure since his asked if I really must then ok let me be so kind as to gift you an occasional verse when I can spare the time

As for no solo records, uh,there was that love below album, as well as that kids album. I'd say all those generous guest verses constitute a career of a sort

https://youtu.be/UbYw1kOBUPA
Was only a few months ago when I discovered this

hes an all time mc but hes now got the air of I'm too good to do this

Andre doesn't owe you anything otm