Avow the Unavowable: the KISS solo records

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The exception, of course, is the Ace Frehley album, which needs no defense.

But the other 3? Terribly weak. They're not even hard-rock, which makes me wonder how KISS would have sounded without Ace. Besides misplaced nostalgia is there any other possible reason to ever listen to these 3 records?

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Sunday, 19 March 2006 20:43 (twenty years ago)

Gene Simmons has half the rock world on his album and ends it with "When You Wish Upon a Star" = classic. He outhammed Alice Cooper at the height of Alice's late seventies hammed-up cinema horror phase. But it ain't The Elder, which is in a weird-ass universe all its coked-out own.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 19 March 2006 20:53 (twenty years ago)

What Ned said!

Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Sunday, 19 March 2006 20:57 (twenty years ago)

So, if I do more coke maybe those records will sound good? Whatever it takes.

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Sunday, 19 March 2006 21:00 (twenty years ago)

No, god no, you just need to get Bob Ezrin on crack and let him loose at the mixing stage.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 19 March 2006 21:01 (twenty years ago)

The Paul Stanley disc opens really strong w/"It's All Right" and has a decent ballad in "Hold Me, Touch Me" or whatever it was called. My memory of it as an album is that it would've made a really great EP.

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Sunday, 19 March 2006 21:02 (twenty years ago)

(Dammit, I was going to get my copy of Kiss and Sell on the making of these albums but I can't find what I did with it, which ticks me off -- that's a great book! Did I loan it to someone? And if so, who?)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 19 March 2006 21:05 (twenty years ago)

I still play the Gene one. "Radioactive"? "Livin' in Sin (At the Holiday Inn)"? C'mon -- this is great stuff.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 19 March 2006 21:25 (twenty years ago)

but Alex, what about "Ahm Burnin' Up with Feeee-vuh!!!"

I second re: Kiss and Sell…its fascinating…

veronica moser (veronica moser), Sunday, 19 March 2006 22:07 (twenty years ago)

I worked in a record store when these albums came out. We got shipped hundreds -- of each -- and sold maybe a few Aces. Boxes of Kiss solo albums just sat in the basement for months. It always seems like a cheezy symbol of how fuckedup the musik biz was/is.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Sunday, 19 March 2006 22:27 (twenty years ago)

i still want that comic book with their blood mixed in with the ink.

and you have to respect the asshole hubris of shipping all 4 out on the same date.

meth lab for doug flutie (sanskrit), Sunday, 19 March 2006 23:19 (twenty years ago)

i still want that comic book with their blood mixed in with the ink.

I have it.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 19 March 2006 23:37 (twenty years ago)

Gene: unexpectedly good. Overall, unexpected results, period
Paul: Kiss-xtra-lite
Peter: "Beth"-li..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Ace: A sugary rock mix of what The Coop and The Sweet were doing at the time but a bit better, hits big with New York themed song originally by UK pop group.

Yoo Doo Nut (donut), Monday, 20 March 2006 00:56 (twenty years ago)

WHAT ABOUT THE PETER CRISS RECORD?!?!?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 20 March 2006 01:07 (twenty years ago)

Taking Sides: "Back in the New York Groove" by Ace Frehley vs. "Native New Yorker" by Odyssey

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 20 March 2006 01:42 (twenty years ago)

Does anybody besides me think that Ace's "Wiped Out" sounded kinda like Tone-Loc 10 years early? (Probably not.)

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 20 March 2006 08:56 (twenty years ago)

I still like Peter's "You Matter to Me" as an almost-soundalike to Suzi Quatro & Chris Norman's "Stumblin' In." Sometimes I put it on mixtapes for friends and they're always like, "Who the hell was that?" And the Paul record has a few nice power ballads, especially the awesomely overblown "Take Me Away (Together As One)."

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Monday, 20 March 2006 14:21 (twenty years ago)

I too think that Peter Criss sounds a hell of a lot like Chris Norman. But that's no recommendation as far as I'm concerned.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 20 March 2006 16:10 (twenty years ago)

http://www.livejournal.com/userpic/41398303/1265949

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 20 March 2006 22:11 (twenty years ago)

What the fuck is that?

Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:28 (twenty years ago)

O RLY?

Mofrackie, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:26 (twenty years ago)

I decided to listen to all four and scribble some comments...

Gene Simmons

Gene makes you think his is going to be a kick ass "God of Thunder"-ish rock album with that theatrical intro with Janis Ian singing "Hosanna" and those demonic voices laughing and chanting, and then "Radioactive" is promising - not overly heavy, but a good boogie rock song - this could open a Kiss album. The best thing about "Burning Up With Fever" is Donna Summer's backing vocal. Zzzzzz. "See You Tonight" is a nice "My Sweet Lord" rip-off, complete with Beatlemania backing vocals, and Gene is in great voice - his best vocal since "Great Expectations." "Tunnel Of Love" is passable - this could have made it onto, say, Love Gun, whereas "True Confessions" and "Living In Sin" wouldn't have been out of place on Unmasked - if not for all of these diva backing vocals. The first half of "Always Near You/Nowhere To Hide" reminds me of "Under The Rose" from Music From The Elder - it has a similar melody line. This is better than I'd remembered. I like the idea of "Man Of 1000 Faces" because it is Gene's tribute to Lon Chaney and the chorus is catchy, but it's ultimately unsatisfying with overblown orchestral parts. More Beatles pastiche in the wussy, acoustic "Mr. Make Believe" - not terrible, but not the demon's best ballad (hello "Goin' Blind"). "See You In Your Dreams" is a re-recording of a song from Rock And Roll Over - it's not THAT different than the Kiss version, so I don't see the point. I'm pretty certain I like Ace's solo better than Rick Neilson's - sorry Rick. "When You Wish Upon A Star" is a mindfuck. Jiminy crickets, Gene, what were you thinking? Anyhow, overall, not a bad album.

Peter Criss

This album also opens with some R&B boogie, "I'm Gonna Love You." This isn't wretched. Neither is it great. "You Matter To Me" is truly stinky. The intro sounds like Toto with the most dated keyboards ever. So bland. I have a massive prejudice against diva backing vocals so "Tossin' And Turnin'" doesn't stand a chance with me - I mean, I don't think it's a great song - any version. Surprisingly, this is the one Kiss would perform live on tour in 1979. I can tolerate "Don't You Let Me Down" even though it's totally bland and wussy. "That's The Kind Of Sugar Papa Likes" is a terrible title. More divas. R&B swing. In search of "Beth Pt. 2," Peter put three ballads on side two, but only Sean 'Skatt Bros' Delaney's "I Can't Stop The Rain" is something of an achievement. I've always had a soft spot for this song - I could hear Millie Jackson doing a great version. That said, it isn't brilliant, and neither are the two uptempo R&B songs on this side. Sorry, Peter. You did some better stuff on Out Of Control and Let Me Rock You.

Paul Stanley

Paul's album opens quite strongly with "Tonight You Belong To Me" - a bit like "I Want You" opens Rock And Roll Over with an acoustic intro and then totally rocking out. "Move On" was the song Kiss did live in 1979 and it roxxor, and I don't even mind the backing divas, but I'm not certain that young Stanley Eisen's mama gave him great advice: "When I was just a baby mama sat me on her knee/She told me 'Boy you listen there's a lot you oughta see/A lotta pretty women gonna try and tie you down/You don't know what you're missing if you never look around//Move on'/That's what she told me." A bit later he re-uses "every inch a lady" from "C'Mon And Love Me," but though this song is good, it's not quite as classic as that song. "Ain't Quite Right" has some interesting guitar textures. "Wouldn't You Like To Know Me?" is another good rocker. I'm not much into the big power ballad "Take Me Away (Together As One)," but again there are some nice guitar parts. "It's Alright" is another solid Stanley rocker. Paul was always good with side openers. "Hold Me, Touch Me (Think Of Me When We're Apart)" is not so good. What's with these hairy rockin' men doing these wussy ballads? "Love In Chains" is a heavy rocker, but is a bit by-the-numbers. "Goodbye" is quite a good closer. Yeah, Paul - a pretty good effort.

Ace Frehley

YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH. "Rip It Out" - whatta song! This is as good as his best Kiss songs (Parasite, Shock Me, Cold Gin). "Speeding Back To My Baby" -- score! Co-written by his (ex-?)wife Jeanette. Diva backing vocals that don't overpower the song. "Speeding back to my baby/And I don't mean maybe" - welcome to the Ace Frehley school of rhyming school. "Snow Blind" is a bit dirgier and has a cool Zep-ish middle section (think "Heartbreaker"). "Ozone" is similarly dirgy - Ace wants you know know he's "the type of guy who likes feeling high" - and he knows many words that rhyme with "high." "What's On Your Mind" is a cool power-pop song. "New York Groove" is a classic cover. The sultry "I'm In Need Of Love" has some really cool echoed, spacey guitar effects and another rocking middle section. "Wiped-Out" is a bit of a goof about Ace getting bombed on booze, but the chorus is wicked heavy. Rhyming "drunk" with "skunk" is so pathetic - I love it. "Fractured Mirror" is quite a beautiful, gentle instrumental with multiple layers of guitars - unlike anything you would expect from Ace, and the closest he comes to a ballad on this lp. SOLID! GO ACE!!

Kent Burt (lingereffect), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 23:42 (twenty years ago)

See?

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 08:05 (twenty years ago)

Just a note to inform the people discussing the original Kiss Comic. The blood that was taken from Kiss was incorrectly put into another vat of red ink and used in another comic book. The blood ink wasn't used in the kiss comic book. Just an FYI.

Alex Colletti, Thursday, 30 March 2006 21:18 (twenty years ago)

Was this it?

http://www.ultrasparky.org/scrap/scrap_0056a.jpg

morris pavilion (samjeff), Thursday, 30 March 2006 21:28 (twenty years ago)

Indeed, it was my fuschia blood that went into the saga of Margo and Chuck. Bubblegum hemoglobin is the only truth.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Friday, 31 March 2006 00:39 (twenty years ago)


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