'Bad Moon Rising' is the best Sonic Youth album!

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Bayonet Bulb, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

underated certainly.

paul barclay, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

You know, in some ways, it's more perfect and more accomplished than Evol. It just doesn't have as much emotional resonance for me. (Or, more accurately, it resonates with emotions I feel less often.) Evol and Sister get the most regular play. I really need to be in the mood to listen to the first two. Despite some lyrics, Bad Moon Rising is quite an achievement though. It's amazing how little the production gets talked about. It doesn't sound dated at all. It's more like Swans/Neubauten industrial (but probably more fully realized) than like punk or indie rock, which is probably why it doesn't get as much notice from most critics. It's the only 80s SY album that didn't make Stairway to Hell!

sundar subramanian, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

i'm forever defending bad moon rising - 'i love her all the time' is perhaps my favourite sy song. to me, there is a holy sy trinity that is bad moon, evol and sister. after that, they never scaled such peaks again.

stirmonster, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Huh. Well, Bad Moon Rising was one of the few Sonic Youth albums produced by Martin Bisi (who also produced Evol, I think.) His other production credits include several Swans albums, and that post-Swans project "Angels of Ligh

geeta, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

t". Damn it, I keep getting cut off. He also produced stuff for Foetus and Zorn.

geeta, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Well, I'm on the "Evol" & "Sister" tip, m'self. "Bad Moon Rising" is too much of a construction for my tastes. You have to take the whole thing in one bite, or not at all. By contrast, their next three albums are more easily digested in parts.

BTW, I know everyone around here thinks "Daydream Nation" sucks, but I love it. I truly don't hear the bad production that everyone complains about, and I think it contains some of SY's most focused noise-art and best songs.

J, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I'm with the defender of Daydream Nation... ignore the production (not that I ever noticed myself) and hear the truly great sounds and rock

Sonicred, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I know everyone around here thinks "Daydream Nation" sucks

Uh, no.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Ditto Ned. Daydream Nation is the pinnacle. What's all this talk about hate?

Bad Moon Rising is pretty darned good. One neat thing about my copy...it's the Blast First edition, and there's some wonko numbering going on. I think my copy has no track 9. Anyone else notice this?

Sean Carruthers, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

personally, i think all of sonic youth's albums are fucking masterpieces and i find it hard to compare them since they are all so different from one another. who says u have to take bad moon rising in one piece? what bullshit...i'll take it how i please.

matt, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

washing machine is up there for me - diamond sea rocks me to my core, followed by daydream, then by well you know how it is.

Queen G, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I like EVOL way more than Bad Moon Rising which always sounded muddled and kinda bleh to me. That said the bonus tracks on the latter kick ass six ways from Sunday on the former. I'll take the "Flower" single any day of the week over "Bubblegum". I hate "Bubblegum".

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I'm sure that I've seen multiple posts slagging Daydream Nation. In fact, here's an entire thread on the subject:

http://www.ilxor.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=004vWr

At any rate, I couldn't disagree more-LOVEITLOVEITLOVEITLOVEITLOVEIT.

-J

J, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Although now on reading it again, I guess it's just Sundar who feels that way . . . my fault.

J, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

i bought screamin fielsds ov sonic love - 2 good songs and ones a cover -even W.A.S.P.s ^the best of the best^ shits on them as it has 5 great songs - even sting iz bttr

a-33, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

A number of people agreed with me on that thread and this one. Hemispheres blows DN away, BTW, though I think it would be more comparable to mid-90s math rock than to SY.

sundar subramanian, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Queen G - I put Diamond Sea on yesterday, cos I wanted to see how it would sound on a C90 next to Philip Glass. Anyhoo...I love it from around 7' in to 14'45. The rest...beh.

dan, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

No, no. Sister is concise, focused, textured and beautiful. Bad Moon Rising also features the whiny (overated) squarking of Lydia Lunch.

Braces Tower, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

wasn't "Bad Moon..." Bob Bert's last as drummer?

Braces Tower, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...
It's the whole Manson trip that gets me. I listen to Bad moon then the Beatles' White Album. It helps my schizophrenia.

Brian I., Tuesday, 16 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

confusion is sex is the best. maybe it woulda bin better if it had a pumpkin on the front and sounded like live skull playing monkees hits.

bob snoom, Tuesday, 16 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

ok i must sound pretty lame like i know nothing saying this but i just came here for the first time with the intention of asking what SY album sounds like "dirty" most, cause that is all i got and i love it, thank you , and i am sorry for looking stupid. secondly, does anyone know if kim gordon still looks as good as she does on the back of "dirty"? lastly, is her new band free kitten any good or what, thanks bye bye. ( i realise i this question isnt relevant but i dont care)

body dysmorphic disorder, Tuesday, 16 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Buy Goo.

Dave225, Tuesday, 16 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

they are too similar too the smashing pumpkins ;-)

bob snoom, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...
I am in full agreement with the daydream nationers. Sister is one hell of an album as well. You guys ever get into the thurston moore side project called "psychic hearts"? Lee Renaldo's side projects are pretty damn amazing as well in my very humble opinion.

nocturnal deviant, Tuesday, 13 August 2002 00:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

Dirty's a great place to start, Body. As for Bad Moon Rising, it's at least their best album cover. Their current drummer remembers staring at it for hours in the record store.

Pete Scholtes, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

oh it's the monthly "my favourite sonic youth album is the best" debate followed by people arguing over hardness & wussiness in the sonic youth back catalogue

bob snoom, Wednesday, 14 August 2002 00:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

5 years pass...

^^The above comment might be true...

But this is the best Sonic Youth album. Why don't they do the between song ambience any more? Really this album anticipated Washing Machine/A Thousand Leaves. Parts of it sound very similar to the recent B-sides thing they put out.

BRAVEMENRUNNNNNNN! INTO THE SETTING SUN!

I know, right?, Thursday, 18 October 2007 09:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

i've never heard any sonic youth pre-daydream nation

electricsound, Thursday, 18 October 2007 10:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

That's fine, but it's no way to live. Really you should just fix that. Like quickly.

I know, right?, Thursday, 18 October 2007 10:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

Toss up between this one and 'Confusion is Sex' for me.

Soukesian, Thursday, 18 October 2007 19:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

esoj I think you would like Sister, give it a listen sometime.

sleeve, Thursday, 18 October 2007 19:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

this is the best SY album, yes.

society is a hole.. it makes me lie to my friends..

daria-g, Thursday, 18 October 2007 19:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

I almost started a Sonic Youth poll, but I didn't want to be that guy.
I would have voted for Bad Moon Rising. It's sexy!

Trip Maker, Thursday, 18 October 2007 19:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

My friends have big hair.
And everybody's scared.

sexyDancer, Thursday, 18 October 2007 19:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

I think there was an SY album poll. This album should have won, but didn't.

sleeve, Thursday, 18 October 2007 20:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

well, i didn't find it in a search.
All the better that I didn't start one, I guess.

Trip Maker, Thursday, 18 October 2007 20:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

BMR has always been my favorite. I just now noticed BMR is the album title and first song.

wanko ergo sum, Thursday, 18 October 2007 20:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

it's running down my street with white power sneakers

am0n, Thursday, 18 October 2007 20:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

their first really good, but not great, album

stephen, Thursday, 18 October 2007 20:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

side 1 is easily my favourite side of any sonic youth record.

stirmonster, Thursday, 18 October 2007 23:54 (5 years ago) Permalink

Okay this is a bit weird...I pulled this album out earlier tonight before I saw this thread was revived. I'm shocked to find someone else revived it besides me! Yes..."Brave Men Run..." etc. I mainly pulled it out for "I Love Her All The Time", but I did play it from the beginning and let it roll. Sometimes I really, really love this album, and other times it doesn't grab me as much. It's kindof strange like that. I really dug it tonight, though. No doubt.

Bimble, Friday, 19 October 2007 03:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

She started to HOLLER!

I know, right?, Friday, 19 October 2007 08:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

The thing to remember is that there was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING which sounded anything like BMR when it came out. They refined it, other people picked up on it, but it was just shockingly new at the time.

Soukesian, Friday, 19 October 2007 18:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

The only track I'll return to here is "Death Valley `69", which still fucking delivers.

Alex in NYC, Friday, 19 October 2007 21:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

I only ever listen to "Brave Men Run".

"Sister" is the best one, tbh.

PhilK, Friday, 19 October 2007 21:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

The whole first side is seamless, and I think I've said it elsewhere but I really wish that more people would use *this* album as their inspiration when they want to be influenced by Sonic Youth. The way Society is a Hole and I Love Her All The Time emerge from chaotic between-song collage remains breathtaking. I've never been as big on side two...seems like a lead-up to DV69, which sounds like Evol.

Secret theory is that once the band found a "good" drummer, the end was near, with Evol and Sister being (fantastic) documents of a band that had already peaked conceptually.

dlp9001, Saturday, 20 October 2007 01:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

I pulled this album out earlier tonight before I saw this thread was revive

Weird. I just downloaded BMR this morning and am currently listening to it for the first time - jaw on the floor. The only Sonic Youth I'd heard previously was Daydream Nation, Goo, and Dirty. I can confidently say that the better qualities of those albums pale before anything on here. This record is the shit! I am on "Satan Is Boring" right now.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Saturday, 20 October 2007 02:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

I totally agree with both dlp and Soukesian, I think part of my response to this record may have been my age and the time it came out in... familiar motifs for those incandescent early music experiences. The cover made a visceral impact, standing out from a wall of nondescript albums like a giant signal bonfire. The music itself had a cataclysmic impact on me and many of my friends. I may never love an album so much and so completely ever again (I was 19 when it came out, btw).

sleeve, Saturday, 20 October 2007 02:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

(xpost)

I completely forgot to back Bimble up! I never would have predicted back in the 80's that I'd feel that way, but here I am. Best SY album is the first one with nerdy-looking Kim on the cover. Who knew!

(When I first bought it, on vinyl no less, it mystified me every bit as much as 2nd Edition. Where's the distorto-guitars and the punk rock 'n' roll, I wondered.)

My other unexpected SY favorite is the 1st track off of NYCG&F. Did they ever do anything else in such a weird time sig?

dlp9001, Monday, 22 October 2007 01:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

What time signature is "Free City Rhymes" in? I like that one too. I don't have the greatest ear for this but I just count it in 4 with some syncopation and layered guitar lines coming in at weird places. The drums emphasize 2 and the "&"'s of 3 and 4, AFAICT. But, like I said, my aural skills need serious work.

I should have said that I do listen to Sonic Nurse and Murray St a fair bit.

Sundar, Monday, 22 October 2007 04:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

I could be wrong, but was listening to it on the train this morning and the drums are in 4, but the main guitar is in 5 (so they sync up every 20 beats). Not sure about the vocals or the other noticable guitar, and actually I'm not sure if that counts as a weird time sig! Whatever it is, I think it may be my favorite post-Sister track of theirs.

dlp9001, Monday, 22 October 2007 15:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

listening to this now, it's pretty fuckin good dudes

thatwillultimatelyresultingalaxy-galaxymergersonacosmictimescale (jdchurchill), Friday, 22 January 2010 22:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

Robert Palmer named it his favorite album of the year in the New York Times. Later, a major label A&R guy called him up and cussed him out for making him waste his time.

bendy, Friday, 22 January 2010 23:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

Boggled to read Jim upthread saying he hasnt heard anything pre-DDN. Is this still the case?! Dude you have to at least hear Sister and EVOL!

I had a limited-run AuGoGo pressing of Bad Moon Rising/EVOL as a numbered special double pack vinyl with a poster and funky plasticy vinyl pouch thing. Must be worth quite a lot. Or would be - if I hadn't somehow one day drunkenly stood/knelt on my copy of EVOL and snapped it in half ;_;

millivanillimillenary (Trayce), Saturday, 23 January 2010 00:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

BMR is great, but Confusion Is Sex is the true lost classic. - and my copy is on Zensor, motherfuckers!

Soukesian, Saturday, 23 January 2010 00:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

archival live release coming soon from the bad moon rising tour

Sonic Youth – Smart Bar – Chicago 1985

2xlp/ CD / digital

Release Date : November 14, 2012

In August 1985 Sonic Youth were touring across the states following the

release of their recently released LP ‘Bad Moon Rising’. This performance

from August 11, 1985 at Chicago’s Smart Bar was recorded on 4-track

cassette. This live recording consists of much of Bad Moon Rising and early

performances of Secret Girl + Expressway to Yr Skull later to be released on

EVOL, as well as a rare never before released live rendition of Kat ‘N’ Hat.

Mixed and mastered by the band from the original tape source for this double

LP edition w/ download card (or CD or digital edition) along w/ liner notes by Gerard

Cosloy and Sonic Youth engineer Aaron Mullan and photos by Pat Blashill and

Steven Koress and released by Sonic Youth on their own label Goofin’

Records and distributed via Revolver USA.

Sonic Youth – Smart Bar – Chicago 1985

1- Hallowe’en

2- Death Valley ’69

3- Intro/Brave Men Run(In My Family)

4- I Love Her All The Time

5- Ghost Bitch

6- I’m Insane

7- Kat ‘N’ Hat

8- Brother James

9- Kill Yr Idols

10- Secret Girl

11- Flower

12- The Burning Spear

13- Expressway To Yr Skull

14- Making The Nature Scene

tylerw, Monday, 10 September 2012 16:06 (9 months ago) Permalink

Excited!

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 10 September 2012 16:11 (9 months ago) Permalink

yeah, i've got a few 85 shows but not this one. is this right after steve shelley joined?

tylerw, Monday, 10 September 2012 16:13 (9 months ago) Permalink

I know it was sometime in '85 when he joined, that seems about right.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 10 September 2012 16:15 (9 months ago) Permalink

This is the first Sonic Youth release I'm excited about in 20 years. Looks great.

EZ Snappin, Monday, 10 September 2012 16:26 (9 months ago) Permalink

haha! yeah i love live 80s SY. the Hold That Tiger fan club CD from the sister tour is probably in my top 5 SY releases.

tylerw, Monday, 10 September 2012 16:34 (9 months ago) Permalink

Looks very similar to Walls Have Ears (which is great, I love that album!) That was recorded in November with Shelley so he should be on this too.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 10 September 2012 16:38 (9 months ago) Permalink

Shelley joined in June of 85 so it'll be him.

EZ Snappin, Monday, 10 September 2012 16:46 (9 months ago) Permalink

and yeah, he's the guy who looks about 9 years old in that cover pic

tylerw, Monday, 10 September 2012 16:49 (9 months ago) Permalink

Awesome! I still have this on tape from years ago -- one of my favorites. This is the version of Expressway I hear in my head when I think about that song.

city worker, Monday, 10 September 2012 17:55 (9 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

First clip is out:

Sounds way better than the boot I have. Day one purchase.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 13:36 (8 months ago) Permalink

That sounds pretty great, definitely excited about this. Love the setlist, and these days I just cannot hear enough versions of Expressway. Such a cool song.

grandavis, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 15:28 (8 months ago) Permalink

I generally like the live version of BMR songs better than the album so I'm excited for this.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 15:39 (8 months ago) Permalink

Yeah, that is what excites me most about that setlist actually. Feel like those songs take on a whole new life outside of the studio that is really cool. Would love to have seen the tours supporting/around BMR.

grandavis, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 16:01 (8 months ago) Permalink

Listened to BMR yesterday. Great for this season.

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 16:10 (8 months ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

white power sneakers

am0n, Friday, 9 November 2012 17:44 (7 months ago) Permalink

http://www.bizrate.com/mens-shoes/white-power-sneakers/

am0n, Friday, 9 November 2012 17:46 (7 months ago) Permalink

my friends have big heads

4chan marshall aka longcat power (diamonddave85), Friday, 9 November 2012 19:44 (7 months ago) Permalink

There must be a club for people whos first SY album was BMR.

Still an amazing album in so many ways (from someone expecting 8 version of 'Death Valley 69'), they could never do it again (literally = Bert/Shelley)

Master of Treacle, Friday, 9 November 2012 20:49 (7 months ago) Permalink

i'm in that club though i've never met a fellow member. i still clearly remember buying it not long after it came out (having only heard death valley '69) and the guy in the record shop who sold me it being crazily excited that someone had bought a copy. he built the record up to such epic proportions that i was sure it was going to be a huge anti climax but of course he was exactly right and it wasn't.

stirmonster, Saturday, 10 November 2012 03:19 (7 months ago) Permalink

The first 2 songs of BMR essentially boils their entire career into a short 5 minutes:

Everything you need to know is all there, the long spacey passages of Daydream Nation, the catchy "almost-pop" of the 90s, Kim playing tough, tape-loops, free-form noise dro, prepared guitar, open tunings for days, the (proto-)Steve Shelley shuffle, squalory whale calls of feedback, metronomic bass...

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 10 November 2012 03:34 (7 months ago) Permalink

There must be a club for people whos first SY album was BMR.

*raises hand*

Somewhere upthread I talk about seeing the cover on the wall of a store that summer and being super intrigued, when I went back to college that fall ('85) one of the first people I met was a super cool girl who had that (and Alien Soundtracks, and other excellent records). I listened to my tape of it every day for at least a month.

sleeve, Saturday, 10 November 2012 17:49 (7 months ago) Permalink

The Smart Bar Chicago 1985 record is fucking amazing.

That's all.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 01:31 (6 months ago) Permalink

yeah it's so cool hearing one of the first Shelley shows, a couple early performances of EVOL cuts, when they announced i thought it was gonna be a Bert era show and was like "whatever, I've already seen Gila Monster Jamboree"

some dude, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 02:13 (6 months ago) Permalink

I wouldn't mind having a nice version fo Gila Monster Jamboree, too! I love this stuff.

I'm also afraid this is going to get overlooked on end of year lists. Which would be a shame.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 02:15 (6 months ago) Permalink

why?

f (Lamp), Wednesday, 21 November 2012 02:16 (6 months ago) Permalink

it's practically a reissue, show had been around as a bootleg forever

some dude, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 02:18 (6 months ago) Permalink

why do I think it'll be overlooked or why is it a shame?

To answer the first, it's never been released, so shouldn't be considered a reissue, but because it's old and a live show a lot of people will dismiss it out of hand.

For the second, it's one of the best things to come out this year, and I would argue one of the very best things in Sonic Youth's catalog. It deserves to be recognized.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 02:20 (6 months ago) Permalink

archival live records are rarely going to be looked at in an 'album of the year' way and i'm fine w/ that tbh

some dude, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 02:22 (6 months ago) Permalink

Led Zep's How The West Was Won made top 40 of Pazz & Jop, and rightfully so. It's about release date, not recording date.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 02:26 (6 months ago) Permalink

yeah that was what i was thinking of when i said 'rarely.' 3-disc Zep is kind of understandably a diff't deal.

some dude, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 02:28 (6 months ago) Permalink

I understand why Zep did so well, but to dismiss archival first releases in general is weird. I don't expect this to be even a blip, though maybe with Sonic Youth inactive/kaput it'll get some sympathy. I'm just saying it should get more consideration than it will, because it's awesome.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 02:31 (6 months ago) Permalink

this new Smart Bar Chicago 1985 show album they released is fucking great

U.S. State Department, Office of Rare Psych (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 November 2012 16:32 (6 months ago) Permalink

is it streaming anywhere?

tylerw, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 16:35 (6 months ago) Permalink

it's on spotify but i need to cop this SY jawn ASAP

U.S. State Department, Office of Rare Psych (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 November 2012 16:36 (6 months ago) Permalink

ok found it -- funny the tape starts out all rough, i was like man they really put out a bootleggy sounding tape! but it improves after about a minute.

tylerw, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 16:44 (6 months ago) Permalink

yeah i didn't know if i was gonna listen to the whole thing at first but overall the sound is pretty god

U.S. State Department, Office of Rare Psych (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 21 November 2012 16:51 (6 months ago) Permalink

Yeah, they actually address that issue in the liner notes. The guy who taped the show at the higher quality apparently didn't start recording right away, so they patched in another, lower fidelity source for the start of the set. They liked the way it sounded, as if the band like really kicks in.

HAPPY BDAY TOOTS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 21 November 2012 16:55 (6 months ago) Permalink

Listening to this now on Spotify. God, when Steve tears in on "Death Valley '69" it's just amazing.

super perv powder (Phil D.), Wednesday, 21 November 2012 17:01 (6 months ago) Permalink

ha, yeah, this rules.

tylerw, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 17:06 (6 months ago) Permalink

eh? wrong thread?
anyway, this is kinda bumming me out that i'll (probably?) never see SY live again! oh well, last time i saw 'em they closed with an epic "expressway" so i guess that's as good a way to go out as any.

tylerw, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 17:35 (6 months ago) Permalink

Should add I was a member of the Bad Moon club.

"Just buy me the album with the best cover".

Master of Treacle, Wednesday, 21 November 2012 20:36 (6 months ago) Permalink


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