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A thread of his own! (At least I couldn't find one general-purpose.)

I remain baffled as to how Dave Longstreth and his jaw-droppingly brilliant "The Getty Address" went missing from so many year-end lists. Is it slipping radars because it defies categorization? Even in this hyphen-heavy age of exponentially splintering subgenres? I mean, WHAT, in fact, is this shit? Or rather, where on the spectrum of "psychedelic music" does it slot?

Cuz I gots no idea. Operatic but seemingly improvised, glitchy but organic, at times disorientingly slick but first primitive, a smarty-pants kayak paddling Downs-syndrome.... Naming another record so relentlessly experimental in the SERVICE of its hooks is a real battle. If pressed: Medulla...Vision Creation Newsun...Trout Mask Replica?

Where is the christforsaken LOVE, etc., etc.

Dr. Gene Scott (shinybeast), Saturday, 14 January 2006 21:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

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Dr. Gene Scott (shinybeast), Sunday, 15 January 2006 20:16 (eleven years ago) Permalink

So...yeah.

Dr. Gene Scott (shinybeast), Sunday, 15 January 2006 20:16 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i really love this guy's music...i agree it's really hard to categorize and that's probably why it slipped under most people's radar, and i think maybe the fact that it's a bit too of the composer-ly (dave longstreth studied composition at yale i think?) for pop-experimental (say animal collective?) fans, but too many organic-pop elements for the classical fans?

looks like he has some shows coming up in jan/feb that i will have to try to find the time for.

bell labs (bell_labs), Sunday, 15 January 2006 20:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Surprising how little I've read about this albums considering how many people I know who love it.

I know, right?, Sunday, 15 July 2007 16:47 (nine years ago) Permalink

ILX is eerily quiet about DP. The new album of Black Flag covers was fun live but I suspect it'll get old quite quickly. The Getty Address is really great though, and I'd probably buy anything with Longstreth singing on it.

ogmor, Friday, 20 July 2007 21:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

I was just about to post on this again, just for the hell of it. I don't know why I do this to myself.

I know, right?, Friday, 20 July 2007 21:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

??

jaxon, Monday, 17 September 2007 05:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

this is weird

jaxon, Monday, 17 September 2007 05:52 (nine years ago) Permalink

suxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

hstencil, Monday, 17 September 2007 05:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

really? i've only heard one song

jaxon, Monday, 17 September 2007 06:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

really twisted afro pop

jaxon, Monday, 17 September 2007 06:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

please don't bring black people into this whiter-than-white music.

hstencil, Monday, 17 September 2007 06:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

i heard this. http://thankscity.com/jams/fraid/07_Gimme_Gimme_Gimme.mp3 (link might be down in next day or so)

i guess the guitar could be interpreted as either south african jive filtered through animal collective and that dogg (?) or maybe like a really poppy version of Storm & Stress.

why don't you like it?

jaxon, Monday, 17 September 2007 06:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

you honestly wrote that second sentence in your post and then followed it up with the question "why don't you like it?" and can't figure out the incongruity between the two?

i mean seriously, even discounting the black flag "connection," that description sounds like music i'd never want to hear.

hstencil, Monday, 17 September 2007 06:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

that song is great. i don't know anything about afropop or any of that but i dig this song. nice clean gtr tone and the playing has a nice buttery feel. i jumped a little bit when the drum splatters came in for the first time
xp

6335, Monday, 17 September 2007 06:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

the black flag "connection" is the last reason i'd listen to this. the that dogg thing is probably the worst part of the description and i've only ever heard like 2 animal collective songs (and the latest panda bear album which is kinda neat). i used to really like storm and stress. i think we might have different tastes.

jaxon, Monday, 17 September 2007 07:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

also, i have to ask: joel, did you even listen to that song or are you basing your descriptions on some other factors?

jaxon, Monday, 17 September 2007 07:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

i've heard this whole album already, jaxon, as well as previous albums by them. i don't like what i've heard.

i liked s&s's two records but a "poppy version" of them sounds weak.

and animal collective = they might be giants. fuck that.

hstencil, Monday, 17 September 2007 07:08 (nine years ago) Permalink

http://www.daytrotter.com/download/311/id=383

woe, he's playing his guitar upside down

ALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ERUPTING IN BACHATA AND REGGAETON !

in four thousand years rise above #1 will just be a footnote in the backstories for rise above #2 and Johnny Mnemonic

tramp steamer, Thursday, 27 September 2007 05:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

i don't actually think i like this :-/

jaxon, Thursday, 27 September 2007 06:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

given the album one listen so far. entirely baffled, i must say. what the hell is it?

CharlieNo4, Friday, 28 September 2007 09:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

I haven't heard this but the Getty Address was fantastic. Especially Jolly Jolly Jolly Ego. It sounds like him and a choir of dodgy tape players.

I know, right?, Friday, 28 September 2007 10:48 (nine years ago) Permalink

Not sure about Dirty Projectors. I enjoyed watching the aztec-intensive dvd of the Getty Address but all their stuff seems to wear thin once you get the hang of it.

ogmor, Friday, 28 September 2007 13:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

I just got Getty Address. I like it so far, although it feels a bit too conscious of what it's doing at times. Better than Animal Collective, for sure.

Hurting 2, Friday, 5 October 2007 19:17 (nine years ago) Permalink

i really like this band, but lately the lyrics really bug me. not even his weird singing voice, just the lyrics themselves. the rest of it is so meticulous and then that part is just kind of phoned in...

bell_labs, Friday, 5 October 2007 19:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

It has a bit of that same Dr. Spock baby "look what an eclectic, self-expressive genius I am" thing that annoys me about Animal Collective

Hurting 2, Friday, 5 October 2007 19:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

you could call it just *being* an eclectic, self-expressive genius.

vadx, Friday, 5 October 2007 19:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

sorry i am not an easy-to-categorize average artist

mizzell, Friday, 5 October 2007 19:30 (nine years ago) Permalink

wait, are you Dave Longstreth?

Hurting 2, Friday, 5 October 2007 19:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

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Hurting 2, Friday, 5 October 2007 19:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

no, i have never even heard this band, i just get tired of the criticism of people being too aware or consious of how they sound. are some people making a record by accident?

mizzell, Friday, 5 October 2007 19:44 (nine years ago) Permalink

yeah

how is being conscious of your sound a bad thing?

talk about cockism

vadx, Friday, 5 October 2007 19:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

yeah, i'd take overly composed music over another sloppy jam band anyday.

bell_labs, Friday, 5 October 2007 19:47 (nine years ago) Permalink

I don't necessarily mean it's over-composed

Hurting 2, Friday, 5 October 2007 19:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

I know.

Really though, I think the "look at me!" with acts like this is more in the listener who's threatened by like the flamboyant content or something.

I mean wouldn't saying a rapper gave off the vibe "lok at me, I'm an eclectic self-expressive genius" usually be a compliment?

vadx, Friday, 5 October 2007 20:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

i listened to some of this. i didn't even get the black flag thing at all. sometimes stuff like this seems like it was written with a press release first, just to bait rock writers, then do the album after it.

M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 5 October 2007 20:08 (nine years ago) Permalink

there's also the possibility that people WANT to make music that sounds different

not that this is the differentest band ever... but compared to a good deal of indie rock they are

vadx, Friday, 5 October 2007 22:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

i really like this band, but lately the lyrics really bug me. not even his weird singing voice, just the lyrics themselves. the rest of it is so meticulous and then that part is just kind of phoned in...

wait the black flag part of the lyrics ?

tramp steamer, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 00:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

uhh what? not all of their songs are black flag covers...i haven't even listened to the one that is

bell_labs, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 00:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

err the one album that is. i was mostly talking about getty address and the glad fact.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 00:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

When I saw them live I kept thinking "Jesus, shut that guy up and let the girls sing." Then I got a promo of the album (whatever one was before the Black Flag thing) and kept thinking, "Oh, you precious fuck, shut the hell up and let the girls sing."

I eat cannibals, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 00:23 (nine years ago) Permalink

Oh, and to answer the years-old question: No, the reason that no one wrote about this is not because it was too complicated. It was because if you like complicated music, this is disappointing and if you like poppy music, this is annoying. It hits the same dilettante weirdness level as Animal Collective.

I eat cannibals, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 00:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

i'm kind of afraid to listen to the black flag covers.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 00:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

<i>i'm kind of afraid to listen to the black flag covers.</i>

You should be...it's awful stuff.

kwhitehead, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 01:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

I mean wouldn't saying a rapper gave off the vibe "lok at me, I'm an eclectic self-expressive genius" usually be a compliment?

-- vadx, Friday, October 5, 2007 4:06 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Link

NO

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 02:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

C'mon, ILM! No love for Rise Above? This is a kick-ass record.

call all destroyer, Friday, 7 December 2007 18:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, I played Six Pack on my radio show about a month ago.
Really cool.

Trip Maker, Friday, 7 December 2007 18:51 (nine years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

i'm revisiting this now (it's getting a whole lot of love around montreal, randomly) and i've decided it's great. more the beginning than the end, though, i think.

sean gramophone, Friday, 18 January 2008 22:11 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Rise Above" is the best thing on it.

Simon H., Friday, 18 January 2008 22:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

sure but the sentence i highlighted would be terrible if it had been talking about personal experience in a similar way (which the rest of the essay does; i see zero self reflection, just a lot of "greatest hits of me" linking and the word "regret" over and over). it's all broad strokes and imprecise words. the music doesn't necessarily have to be discussed more, but as a professional it should be done better

maura, Saturday, 25 February 2017 19:26 (one month ago) Permalink

http://www.bkmag.com/2015/12/09/the-20-best-rap-albums-of-2015/

hm, i ever do wonder why Caitlin says

"Is this album more important than Dee Barnes? And if so, why is that?" about Dr. Dre's Compton, and

"Cold-blooded, sure, and deeply difficult listen to as a woman who cares about, oh I don’t know, being seen as a human being? ... Welcome to cognitive dissonance of the highest order, DS2 is a fucked-up velvety croaked masterpiece about unspeakable things. But maybe when we talk about Future, we should speak of them." about Future's DS2

but Dave Longstreth dragging his ex-girlfriend for a full album gets an empathetic ear

Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 25 February 2017 19:29 (one month ago) Permalink

ok but i'd also like to point out that the review is poorly written which undermines its own approach

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Saturday, 25 February 2017 19:34 (one month ago) Permalink

xp idk, maybe because some of us have been in abusive relationships with brilliant men and have experienced that remarkable cocktail of adoration and fear and hurt?

fgti, Saturday, 25 February 2017 19:35 (one month ago) Permalink

"My behavior in the wake of that breakup remains some of the most regretted in my entire life. That period contains my worst memories and many regretted decisions. I don’t know much, but I do know that publicly being an sh*thead to my ex after we broke up is currently my biggest regret."

like on a purely mechanical level this is horrible

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Saturday, 25 February 2017 19:37 (one month ago) Permalink

also Whiney you have swum too far out I think, if you're wondering why she might have more to say about a problematic record made by a musician whose music she adores, as opposed to a rapper who she feels she can't enjoy because of his history of violence against women

fgti, Saturday, 25 February 2017 19:40 (one month ago) Permalink

i think you've swum out too far into a sea of wokeness if you think being an abuse victim excuses weird racist hypocrisy?

Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 25 February 2017 19:42 (one month ago) Permalink

now I understand why in 1953 men self-medicated with martinis instead of going to therapy

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 25 February 2017 19:44 (one month ago) Permalink

at the risk of cross-platform manthreading I was debating on whether to include an e):

e) at this point it is going to take a lot of convincing (or a lot of unprecedented awfulness of concept, like, xojane's worst hits levels) to get me to join a pile-on of an OK personal essay by a woman on grounds of it not being music writing didion

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Saturday, 25 February 2017 19:50 (one month ago) Permalink

like, there is not a single sentence in that entire piece that is not 1000 times better and betraying more self-reflection than "As we filed out, Haddaway's “What Is Love” played over the loudspeakers, prompting me to wonder once more, the only question that song prompts anyone to wonder: What is love?" (from the linked first-date-with-carly-rae-jepsen piece)

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Saturday, 25 February 2017 19:52 (one month ago) Permalink

well, to be fair, no one said that was an example of great music writing on the Haddaway thread

Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 25 February 2017 19:56 (one month ago) Permalink

fgti, do you think what Beyonce did to Jay Z on Lemonade was abusive?

Frederik B, Saturday, 25 February 2017 20:26 (one month ago) Permalink

lmaoooo

fgti, Saturday, 25 February 2017 20:32 (one month ago) Permalink

1st: whiney you're comparing end-of-year blurbs with a personal essay and saying she must be racist because of number of paragraphs-devoted-to and I'm sorry you are literally reaching so far here please somebody talk to the man right now so I don't feel crazy, also it is not at all my place or yours really to start a discussion about how white women are supposed to write about misogynist rap music, please somebody say something please

2nd: Frederik the implied violence-against-women that is present in this DP album is not present in the Beyonce record because of the opposite gender roles and also there is more conspicuousness on that record and its roll-out and subsequent nuptials suggesting that husband-and-wife felt it was an empowering and artistic statement for black women so no basically not at all; I did think that people going on "who is becky" scavenger hunts was closer to abusive behaviour

fgti, Saturday, 25 February 2017 20:38 (one month ago) Permalink

Wtf. What violence?

Frederik B, Saturday, 25 February 2017 20:40 (one month ago) Permalink

Have you even heard the record yet?

Frederik B, Saturday, 25 February 2017 20:40 (one month ago) Permalink

If you do not see the IMPLIED violence-against-a-woman in what is being sung on the DPs record then that's fine. Me, I think that telling the audience that you wrote a woman's breakthrough hit, singing "I wanted art / you wanted fame", singing "I'm shining like tears in the rain / you're shining like fifteen minutes of fame", plus all the excessive other b.s. slung on this album constitutes implied violence against a woman, yes.

fgti, Saturday, 25 February 2017 20:45 (one month ago) Permalink

Have you heard the album?

Frederik B, Saturday, 25 February 2017 20:48 (one month ago) Permalink

this thread is going placds

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Saturday, 25 February 2017 20:53 (one month ago) Permalink

*places

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Saturday, 25 February 2017 20:53 (one month ago) Permalink

Ffs Frederick I have literally heard the record a dozen times over the last six months please stop talking to me

fgti, Saturday, 25 February 2017 20:55 (one month ago) Permalink

It's the same two or three lines that are excerpted over and over, then coupled with 'plus everything else' and there really isn't that much else. It's a breakup album, there's rage, there's anger, there's sorrow. And yeah, Keep Your Name especially is contemptible and extreme, and it was probably really stupid to release that as the first single, but the storyline is also him beginning in that place and by the end of the album reaching some kind of peace and acceptance. And even in Keep Your Name he has the momentary self insight to sing 'I wasn't there for you / I didn't pay attention / I didn't take you seriously And I didn't listen' which he then loses again immediately. There are, like, different voices and shit on this album. I wonder what would have happened if he had released Cool Your Heart as the first single.

And no, it's different from Lemonade, mostly because Lemonade is an astonishing piece of art, and that tends to transcend problems, while nothing is transcend here. But some of the critique itt is way overblown. I don't hear implied violence in him saying he wrote a song he has a songwriting credit on, from a band where he was known as the main songwriter, that sounds an awful lot like a lot of other songs he has written.

Frederik B, Saturday, 25 February 2017 21:00 (one month ago) Permalink

indie rock musicians and indie rock critics really deserve each other

sleepingbag, Saturday, 25 February 2017 21:02 (one month ago) Permalink

Dre beat up Barnes, abt 25% of Future's songs're abt treating women like meaningless shit, Longstreth is being a dick about his ex. Whiney you are not comparing like w like

albvivertine, Saturday, 25 February 2017 21:04 (one month ago) Permalink

What % of his songs is this album

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 25 February 2017 21:42 (one month ago) Permalink

No one piled on the bad writing btw it was in response to ppl calling it great writing

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 25 February 2017 21:47 (one month ago) Permalink

people just said they liked or appreciated the piece, they weren't nominating it for a pulitzer

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Saturday, 25 February 2017 21:52 (one month ago) Permalink

(I also think there is often an unspoken undercurrent of media politics behind a lot of what gets called good vs. bad writing, both in the personal and institutional senses, but that is an elephant that can just stay there in the room)

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Saturday, 25 February 2017 22:02 (one month ago) Permalink

I appreciated the piece as well, even though I thought it had a fundamental flaw. For me it showed how the album mostly works as a resonant piece about being a shithead during breakups. And I appreciate everything katherine has written as well, along with most of what fgti has. katherine's writing has really underscored how lucky I am that the resonance for me with this album mostly has to do with dark nights in my own head (and that's what the screwed voice in Keep Your Name sounds like for me, btw, like a voice inside his head) and one or two text messages I immediately regretted and had to apologize for, and not stuff done to me. + it made it really clear that that doesn't have to do with luck at all but privilege.

There was another great point in your singles jukebox writeup, katherine, which is that it's not just misogynistic and problematic, but also really fucking boring to hear him wallow in despair and self-pity and male agression. But that's also why I think it's wrong to claim Robin Thicke is the only comparison, or that he should learn something from Geordie Fruit. This shit is commonplace to all indie, and to hone in and pile up on Longstreth misses how much like fifty other acclaimed indie albums this thing is.

And that include earlier Dirty Projectors albums, btw. It was kinda always weird that their relationship was chronicled by Dave on their albums, and that she never got to speak on her own. The problem was there from Bitte Orca onward.

Frederik B, Saturday, 25 February 2017 22:19 (one month ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Bump.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 11:37 (one week ago) Permalink

So I have been listening to this a lot, which has surprised me, because I've found Longstreth pretty much intolerable since the press release for Rise Above, which was just horrific.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 11:37 (one week ago) Permalink

Everyone got that Keep Your Name is roleplaying right? He's the one who kept the name and who searched for fame. Also, noting that he wrote a hit for her is like a bare minimum of contempt a breakup album is supposed to include.

gospodin simmel, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 13:41 (one week ago) Permalink

Not everyone got that, and while I have thought about if that's the point, if so, it's kinda badly delivered.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 13:45 (one week ago) Permalink

It was my assumption from the off that the bits with the pitch-shifted voice in KYN are being delivered to Longstreth, not by him.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 14:06 (one week ago) Permalink

pitch-shifting is used so often now that I don't see it as representative of anything but a lack of imagination

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 14:50 (one week ago) Permalink

That's... not normally how things work... There's also guitars on one track. Real lack of imagination.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 15:16 (one week ago) Permalink

Normally if one use of an effect becomes codified, it becomes easier to see it as meaning that. And honestly the pitch-shifting in Keep Your Name sounds like the pitch-shifting in Blame Game and countless drug songs: A loss of personality, the subconscious speaking. Listening to the 'What you want is FAAAAME' it doesn't work as something being said to him. Not to my ears. It escalates in the way a discussion doesn't, it sounds much more like someone sitting alone and getting angry.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 15:23 (one week ago) Permalink

the difference is that guitars are a basic instrument that has been used for centuries and in rock for decades, and that this particular form of pitch shifting is a fleeting trend that has become ubiquitous in the past years

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 15:28 (one week ago) Permalink

cf. the fleeting technological trends of the synthesizer, the sampler and the drum machine

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 15:41 (one week ago) Permalink

pitch shifting = using the computer as a basic instrument

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 15:43 (one week ago) Permalink

no shit, but this is a specific *kind* of pitch-shifting that is an overdone, often thoughtless effect. it's like paint vs. avocado-colored paint

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 15:46 (one week ago) Permalink

idk, I really like the pitch-shifting on KYN (especially the pitched-down parts), it doesn't feel thoughtless to me. Bon Iver-esque auto-tune/vocoder harmonies feel more played out.

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 15:53 (one week ago) Permalink

I will say the album is produced really well - love when the vox go double-tracked on Keep Your Name. The blown out horns on Up in Hudson are sweet, too.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 15:56 (one week ago) Permalink

Boy the entire aesthetic of Future, who has two number one albums this year, sure is an "overdone, often thoughtless effect"

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 16:00 (one week ago) Permalink

key word is "often"

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 17:19 (one week ago) Permalink

this is sweet, song exploder on my favorite song from the record, real geek shit http://pitchfork.com/news/72377-dirty-projectors-dissects-up-in-hudson-on-song-exploder-kanye-bowie-and-more-listen/?mbid=homepage-more-latest-and-video

flappy bird, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 18:13 (four days ago) Permalink

yeah it was super interesting to see how he put it together and how much input tyondai braxton had.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Thursday, 23 March 2017 06:24 (three days ago) Permalink

guess i'm glad he thinks the guitar coda goes on way too long, too

flappy bird, Thursday, 23 March 2017 16:53 (three days ago) Permalink

that's the best part though

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 23 March 2017 17:10 (three days ago) Permalink

I checked for Mauro Refosco after listening to this and I see that he's now making $$$$ slumming it as the Red Hot Chili Peppers' touring percussionist. Cool to know that's him on the Atoms for Peace record though, I had assumed that was all Joey Waronker.

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 23 March 2017 17:13 (three days ago) Permalink


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