Black Flag's My War, Classic or Dud??

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Well I could'nt find a previous thread about this one, on account of lazyness.... So were Black Flag opening new doors here, or... not?

xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Friday, 20 January 2006 02:48 (8 years ago) Permalink

no new doors opening but their best, in my opinion. love side one. screamy thick hardcore and love the sludgy, sabbath-y 2nd side. or at least i did when i was 16. i havent heard it in years but i usually stick to whatever i thought when i was 16.

howell huser (chaki), Friday, 20 January 2006 02:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

yeah I have'nt heard it in a while either, but I was reading a thing on Black Flag and realised that this was when they started changing their sound and how a lot of people did'nt like it. But I thought side 2 was great! Maybe no new doors for music, but for hardcore punk maybe?

xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Friday, 20 January 2006 03:05 (8 years ago) Permalink

Scott Colburn of Gravelvoice studios (who records Sun City Girls, Animal Collective, Cerberus Shoal, and many others) reviews this album, as it was highly influential to him...

http://www.gravelvoice.com/change/mywar.html

Dom iNut (donut), Friday, 20 January 2006 03:58 (8 years ago) Permalink

Wow! Another Sun City Girls reference,in like less that 2 minutes! Now I have to hear them!

xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Friday, 20 January 2006 04:03 (8 years ago) Permalink

i think this album invented "Grunge"

latebloomer: virtuous, pure and masculine like only an American male can be (lat, Friday, 20 January 2006 08:49 (8 years ago) Permalink

It probably did invent grunge. The Melvins have often cited "My War" as their influence to slow down, not Black Sabbath, which is funny because was'nt it Sabbath who influenced Black Flag to slow down?

xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Friday, 20 January 2006 09:36 (8 years ago) Permalink

Rorschach's cover of "my war" rules.

PIANO $AMPLE$, Friday, 20 January 2006 12:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

DUD like everything Black Flag did.

It probably invented Grunge because it is SHIT and Grunge was SHIT. SHIT SHIT SHITTY SHIT.

ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!! (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 20 January 2006 12:58 (8 years ago) Permalink

I like this album - Can't Decide, My War, etc are great songs - less keen on other later Black Flag stuff tho.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Friday, 20 January 2006 13:03 (8 years ago) Permalink

YOU'RE ONE OF THEM!

Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Friday, 20 January 2006 14:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

it's pretty classic. this was one of those records i picked up on cassette used for like 2 bucks and felt cheated. ('cause i wanted the black flag from the history of west. civ. but with rollins on it, or minor threat). a little bit later i realized just how good it is. this, damaged and whos got the 10 1/2? are the only ones i keep around.

bb (bbrz), Friday, 20 January 2006 15:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

Black Flag's My War material was hugely influential, and a bit of a watershed for the American underground. Recall that Black Flag couldn't release any material using their name from '82 - '84 because of legal static with Unicorn/MCA. The great shame of Black Flag history is that their most potent lineup (the 5 piece with Dez Cadena) never got to record some of their strongest material.

By the time they were allowed to record My War, the 5 piece was down to 3 and Ginn ended up playing bass on the album. There's a 1982 demo floating around w/ Chuck Biscuits on drums that indicates what might have been.

They toured heavily from '82 - '84, though, expanding the vocabulary of what punk/hardcore could be, slowing down, weirding out, intensifying their focus on naked pain/rage. They alienated their hardcore audience - listen to the live version of "Scream" on the Rat Music For Rat People compilation to hear an audience member yell "What the hell happened to Henry?"

But they influenced a lot of crucial music that came out from '83 - '88; Sonic Youth, Swans, Lydia Lunch, Scratch Acid, Drunks With Guns, Melvins. I'd say Black Flag and the Birthday Party were the two primary influences on the pre-grunge noise rock/pigfucker scene.

So, is the album a classic? Yes and no - the material and what it meant during '82 - '84 was important, but its eventual realization didn't meet the promise of what it could have been.

I'd like to know what, pre-1982, sounded even remotely like the second side of My War?

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 20 January 2006 16:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

the '82 demos completely fucking kill!

ZR (teenagequiet), Friday, 20 January 2006 16:13 (8 years ago) Permalink

are those deoms out and about...now that its been brought up, i'd pretty well like to know

bb (bbrz), Friday, 20 January 2006 16:18 (8 years ago) Permalink

They're pretty well (unofficially) distributed. It's a good thing Hank didn't mind making copies for friends...

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 20 January 2006 17:04 (8 years ago) Permalink

My War was one of the Black Flag albums I never had and I find out years later that it is the best one outside Damaged and the comp of the early singles.

earlnash, Friday, 20 January 2006 17:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

Despite what some people will have you believe, the '82 demos of the songs that ended up on "my war" don't sound too different than the actual versions on "my war".

The '82 version of "modern man" on the other hand..

PIANO $AMPLE$, Friday, 20 January 2006 18:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

dude, they sound so much heavier and more "band-like." also the stuff that showed up later on slip it in is uniformly better on the demos. and they've got "yes, i know"!

ZR (teenagequiet), Friday, 20 January 2006 18:10 (8 years ago) Permalink

Man, I once saw the '82 demos for sale on Dr.Strange, I should have gotten it when I had the chance, cuz I don't see it for sale anymore. I'm glad Edward III mentioned Scratch Acid and Swans, two of my all time favs. People ask me what bands I like, and those bands are some of 'em,and they're all like, "............".

xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Friday, 20 January 2006 22:33 (8 years ago) Permalink

anyone wanna yousendit the demos??? I've never heard them and I must have been listening to black flag for about 18 years straight. (also my ex girlfriend still has my tapes of slip it in and my war. I need them back or to face up to buying the vinyl)

simon 803 (simon 803), Saturday, 21 January 2006 00:10 (8 years ago) Permalink

YES!! A yousendit is overdue!! Whoever sends it wins the prize of making some music lovers happy!!

xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Saturday, 21 January 2006 01:40 (8 years ago) Permalink

........guess not.

xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Sunday, 22 January 2006 02:22 (8 years ago) Permalink

.......guess so!!

xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Sunday, 22 January 2006 08:08 (8 years ago) Permalink

It's well done and all, but pretty much my interest in Black Flag material lies in the heavy jazz metal genius of The Process of Weeding Out, Loose Nut and In My Head.

Aqua Necromancer (Aqua Necromancer), Sunday, 22 January 2006 08:44 (8 years ago) Permalink

nothing left inside on the demos is mindblowing. the album version miss dez so much.

simon 803 (simon 803), Sunday, 22 January 2006 10:34 (8 years ago) Permalink

6 years pass...

thia show is nuts. hour and a half. relentless.

scott seward, Monday, 24 December 2012 02:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

scott seward, Monday, 24 December 2012 02:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

wow!

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 24 December 2012 03:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

IF the video in Scott's first post isn't showing up for anyone else, I think this is what is supposed to be there:

Mike Dixn, Monday, 24 December 2012 18:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

Mike Dixn, Monday, 24 December 2012 18:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

Keeps switching to Iron Lung for me at least. Look for Black Flag in this guys videos
http://www.youtube.com/user/KILLTHATCATvideos

Mike Dixn, Monday, 24 December 2012 18:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

earlier on it was showing Black Flag. I was gonna say, watch this ASAP because Greg Ginn seems to have an obsession with taking down Black Flag videos.

Poliopolice, Monday, 24 December 2012 19:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

it seems like it's going to playlist now, but if you scroll down the playlist on the right side, you can watch the intended video

Poliopolice, Monday, 24 December 2012 19:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

shit i don't know what happened there. i posted the same black flag show twice. 1982 ukrainian hall. intense stuff.

scott seward, Monday, 24 December 2012 19:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

this guy has it broken up into separate vids:

scott seward, Monday, 24 December 2012 19:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

i mean i make fun of henry as much as anyone - not my fave hardcore singer on record by a long shot - but this performance is a work of art all around.

scott seward, Monday, 24 December 2012 19:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

I posted it on Burning Ambulance, along with a killer Glen E. Friedman photo from soundcheck, earlier that afternoon:

http://burningambulance.com/2012/12/24/black-flag-2/

誤訳侮辱, Monday, 24 December 2012 19:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

It was a classic to me. I'd never heard raw pain expressed like that. As a 16 year old , it talked to me. And still does, probably.

Hey, Merry Xmas

Jessie Fer Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Monday, 24 December 2012 20:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yer such a man when you're putting up your Christmas lights

Jessie Fer Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Monday, 24 December 2012 21:01 (1 year ago) Permalink


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