Where I once was captivated by his hypnotic simplicity, now I am bored to actual tears by his banal repetitiousness.
Where eyebrows were once raised involuntarily at the clever placement of a "modern-sounding" chord, my stomach now heaves in disgust at his obviousness.
And where I was once astounded by his machine-like precision, I am now driven mad by his machine-like precision.
So, why is John Fahey's music so boring?
― valdemar (nubbin), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 08:25 (7 years ago) Permalink
― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 08:43 (7 years ago) Permalink
― sean gramophone (Sean M), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 08:58 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Stephen C (ihope), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 09:06 (7 years ago) Permalink
Robert Johnson
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 10:19 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Mestema (davidcorp), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 11:18 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 14:37 (7 years ago) Permalink
― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 14:38 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Ogmor Roundtrouser (Ogmor Roundtrouser), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 14:55 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 14:56 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Excelsior Syndrum (noodle vague), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 14:59 (7 years ago) Permalink
― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:00 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Excelsior Syndrum (noodle vague), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:02 (7 years ago) Permalink
― save the robot (save the robot), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:03 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:03 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:19 (7 years ago) Permalink
― stew!, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:23 (7 years ago) Permalink
― stew!, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:24 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:25 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:36 (7 years ago) Permalink
― my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:36 (7 years ago) Permalink
― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:37 (7 years ago) Permalink
― bb (bbrz), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:38 (7 years ago) Permalink
it is about the "wrong" notes.
― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:38 (7 years ago) Permalink
― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:39 (7 years ago) Permalink
Count yourself lucky JF didn't fall asleep himself
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:39 (7 years ago) Permalink
this sounds like something fahey might have written in his own liner notes.
― a spectator bird (a spectator bird), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:40 (7 years ago) Permalink
and OK, I know Elizabeth Cotten's name from that Moaners CD that came out last year, but apart from that I know nothing about her.
― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:44 (7 years ago) Permalink
― bb (bbrz), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:47 (7 years ago) Permalink
― stew!, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 16:00 (7 years ago) Permalink
― dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 16:00 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 16:28 (7 years ago) Permalink
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 16:52 (7 years ago) Permalink
-- cancer prone fat guy (wt...), January 10th, 2006
what is?
― ,, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 17:00 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 17:01 (7 years ago) Permalink
Elizabeth Cotton was adorable - check out the audience participation on her live CD on Arhoolie.
And I personally know of no remedy for falling out of love with the music of Fahey, or any other musician, for that matter. Sorry. (Why'd you like him in the first place?)
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 17:32 (7 years ago) Permalink
Because he was hip for a while perhaps?
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 17:32 (7 years ago) Permalink
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 17:38 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 17:41 (7 years ago) Permalink
When I liked him I was a stupid young person who didn't know shit about music, like many of you. Now I am slightly less stupid and know three things about music, one of them being that John Fahey, like Minimalism, is boring. What's so interesting and hip about a guy who plays repetitious music like he's got no soul? He's a defanged, emasculated, sterile copycat of MS John Hurt. John Fahey Is Boring.
Oh, and thanks for posting Fahey's own words. What a bag of hot air. Thank god he's dead!
― valdemar (nubbin), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 17:53 (7 years ago) Permalink
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 17:55 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 18:01 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 18:12 (7 years ago) Permalink
― valdemar (nubbin), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 18:13 (7 years ago) Permalink
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 18:14 (7 years ago) Permalink
― valdemar (nubbin), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 18:15 (7 years ago) Permalink
Fahey produced an impressive variety of stuff and my feelings about it vary. If I'm not in the mood for Hitomi maybe I want to hear his dixieland stuff, or A Raga Called Pat, or The Oregon Capital Inn blah blah - he did a lot of different stuff! Seriously! And yet, maybe this is all my imaginings and projections, but I can sense the same determination behind it, the clear-headed, straight up emotionality and that killer sense of humour. Even (especially) with his writing. More than any one of his styles, or his status as an innovator or whatever, I'm mostly in love with the wonderful personality I feel behind it all. And when I listen to Sun Gonna Shine In My Backdoor Someday Blues I'm not listening to, as he describes it, a bitonal piece played in a John Hurt, ragtime finger-picking pattern style, I'm listening to... I don't know, something much trickier to word. More than any other music I feel this with Fahey. When I first heard him just after I turned 18 I was blown away by how ridiculously intuitive it seemed - it was so obvious, I couldn't believe I ever bothered with other music.
A lot of what's written about Fahey to convince you of his IMPORTANCE talks about how he was the first to do X or an exciting blend of country blues, 20th century classical, indian classical... blah blah. To me at least, it doesn't sound like that and it wouldn't be nearly as interesting if it did. All that seems incidental. The way I hear it (and I appreciate the subjectivity of all this), Fahey is trying to get to SOMETHING and all the technical details are just his way of getting to it. I guess that's it anyway, it's why I feel the same sorts of things listening to such a diverse range of music. It's not the language he's developed, but what he's saying with it.
― Ogmor Roundtrouser (Ogmor Roundtrouser), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 18:20 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Excelsior Syndrum (noodle vague), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 18:20 (7 years ago) Permalink
I'm so fucking proud of throwing that rock into the pond.
Those little waves just marched around in their own order, but in no way that anyone could have predicted.
Even though the pond got back to equilibrium in about 10 seconds, I have to say that, for a small while, I was fucking make waves in that pond. I threw the rock, the waves happened, they ended, and it was because of me.
Fuck you, pond. I would never hesitate to throw another rock in you.
― Dom iNut (donut), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 18:22 (7 years ago) Permalink
And Leo Kotke rules so watch it, pals.
― !~~~~11@@, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 18:23 (7 years ago) Permalink
what so you can turn around and it put it on your BLOG?
sure ok
― big triffid in my backyard (Edward III), Monday, 1 August 2011 17:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
help me bore the dozen people who read my site.
― tylerw, Monday, 1 August 2011 17:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
!
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 1 August 2011 18:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
i wonder if there's any more writing left over, stuff like what's in 'how bluegrass music destroyed my life'
I'm sure there's odds and ends, but they were pretty much scraping the bottom of the barrel w/ the letters at the end of vampire vultures. however the stuff on the site is good
― ogmor, Monday, 1 August 2011 21:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
that dust to digital thing looks boss. not as boss as their africa box set though!
― by another name (amateurist), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 12:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
btw weirdest fahey thread title ever. what the hell?
trollers gonna troll
― time to put it in hi geir (WmC), Tuesday, 2 August 2011 13:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
boring pics of this fucking amazing box set http://thewiremagazine.tumblr.com/post/9665885879/the-wire-magazine-john-fahey
― tylerw, Friday, 2 September 2011 20:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
massive idiots/obvious trolls who think fahey is boring better bypass this kickass bootleg:
http://youtu.be/0cTdPTrihlI
(untouchable, mysterious, ethereal, massive. hold onto yer butts for this shit.)
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 03:28 (9 months ago) Permalink
wow, thank you, global tetrahedon
is that from the university of washington show?
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 03:53 (9 months ago) Permalink
This is great. I'm sure there's a lot of Fahey I have yet to hear which I would like. One reason I haven't dug as deeply is that there are certain sides of his art I'm not really into. This is definitely from one of the sides I love (so far).
― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 04:23 (9 months ago) Permalink
i checked, and yeah, it is from the 1973 UW show. avail in its entirety here:
http://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/18138392878/john-fahey-university-of-washington-1973-01
^ hope it's ok to post that link...
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 04:34 (9 months ago) Permalink
you should really ask that blogger for consent before posting such links, I heard he is a real madman. you better watch out buddy.
― queequeg (peter grasswich), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 05:15 (9 months ago) Permalink
lol
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 05:17 (9 months ago) Permalink
feel like the best fahey like the live versions of dance of the inhabitants should be hid away on a mountaintop monastery somewhere which is a couple of day's hike to get to. i was going to link to a video of another version of it but it's been pulled from youtube, hopefully being interred by the monks as i type.
― ogmor, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 10:29 (9 months ago) Permalink
feel like the best fahey like the live versions of dance of the inhabitants should be hid away on a mountaintop monastery somewhere which is a couple of day's hike to get to.
hahaha this is otm & how the world should work
― , Blogger (schlump), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 10:34 (9 months ago) Permalink
I have lots of Fahey bootlegs, most came from Delta Slider, I'd poke around there if you like the above... the main problem with the site is that the MP3s are tagged like shit (or not at all), hence why I had to upload it to Youtube to share it. Perhaps the difficulty associated with unzipping and properly tagging MP3s is corollary to a long hike to a monastery?
Also, to the dude above, what sides of Fahey don't you like? I could totally imagine what sides you are talking about, but in the interest of further Faheychat perhaps you could elaborate.
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 13:21 (9 months ago) Permalink
And does anyone see what I'm saying about how this evokes Branca? Just the cacophonous reverberations piling onto one another, adding up to a bigger whole?
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 13:22 (9 months ago) Permalink
As a shoegaze fan I heard a lot of the same melodic progression sensibilities Kevin Shields as an example would share.
― Evan, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 14:37 (9 months ago) Permalink
tbh, i don't really get the branca comparison
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 14:39 (9 months ago) Permalink
yeah that u of w show is close to a religious experience. the sausalito recording from around the same era is a far better recording with a similar setlist, but the u o w thing is uhhhhmazing.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 14:53 (9 months ago) Permalink
I still like Fahey records but I think he was "an occasionally brilliant guitar composer and arranger, innovator and player" even more rarely than he thought. He relied too much on the same few tricks and effects and fills too much time with adolescent stoned-fascinated noodling.
― bert yansh (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 14:59 (9 months ago) Permalink
you speak poop
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 15:01 (9 months ago) Permalink
^^^^^
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 15:01 (9 months ago) Permalink
mentioned above from way back Also in the works is a separate two-CD set called Roots of Fahey, which will showcase the songs and musicians that inspired and influenced John throughout his recording career. Each track comes from the 78rpm record collection of John's lifelong friend, Joe Bussard.this didn't ever come out did it?
― tylerw, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 15:04 (9 months ago) Permalink
don't espeeecially hear the branca, but the low notes are cosmically booming, sounds more like some brass/percussion combination than guitar.
― (500) Days of Sodom (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 15:05 (9 months ago) Permalink
What's the most far out stuff? His weirdest shit? Hurting's second sentence up there is my prob with Fahey too, but I haven't heard much.
― Crackle Box, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 15:22 (9 months ago) Permalink
his weirdest shit
― tylerw, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 15:24 (9 months ago) Permalink
http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2007/07/john-faheys-mil.html
― tylerw, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 15:25 (9 months ago) Permalink
I can definitely hear the Branca comparison. I didn't realize he was doing that sort of thing pre-Womblife.
― Romney's Kitchen Nightmares (WmC), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 15:26 (9 months ago) Permalink
This is more like it, cheers!! xpost
― Crackle Box, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 15:40 (9 months ago) Permalink
haha umm enjoy!
― tylerw, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 15:44 (9 months ago) Permalink
if someone could just list all the fahey records that aren't americana-ey fingerpickin or the blooze that'd be great thx
― Crackle Box, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 15:49 (9 months ago) Permalink
well I mean a lot of them are raga-y fingerpickin mixed in with americana fingerpickin and the blooze.
― bert yansh (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 15:59 (9 months ago) Permalink
as far as the studio stuff goes, it sounds like you might be interested in his very late albums: womblife, city of refuge, hitomi, and red cross.
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 16:00 (9 months ago) Permalink
the mid period where fahey was experimenting with concrete sounds and doing duets with other instrumentalists is my fave -- these records:-requia-days have gone by-vol. 4-voice of the turtle
prob my faves.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 17:21 (9 months ago) Permalink
p.s. not boring
― one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 17:28 (9 months ago) Permalink
fahey went pretty far afield at times, but it seems to me that looking for things he did that weren't informed by "americana-ey fingerpickin or the blooze" is like looking for james brown recordings that didn't have anything to do with R&B.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 17:36 (9 months ago) Permalink
that is OTM. you might just be better off listening to some classical guitar stuff, or robbie basho or someone, if you don't want rural american nostalgia trips.
― one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 17:37 (9 months ago) Permalink
guys i've discovered this great guitarist - really adult and sober - anyone interested?
― ogmor, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 17:41 (9 months ago) Permalink
― one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 17:45 (9 months ago) Permalink
i heard it said once - by a fahey fan, in fact - that julian bream broke a nail on tour, and spent the afternoon getting a synthetic replacement superglued on so that he could play a concert that evening. a few tunes into the performance, the glued nail pings off into the audience and catches a woman in the eye. apparently the woman died & j bream was arrested for murder, playing out the end of his life in gaol. i saw glenn jones play a few months ago and he had also had to have emergency manicure treatment at some korean nail salon in the arndale centre in manchester, but no superglue was involved.
― ogmor, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 17:58 (9 months ago) Permalink
I guess what I meant by the Branca thing is less about the process/instrumentation really but more the music's use of space and how the music bypasses *notes* exactly into more of a microtonal region, especially when he busts the slide out into those long, loping, descending lines accompanied by the furious arpeggiation on the open strings, and the massive overtones conjured up by that, etc.
I think there's stuff simliar on like the first movement of Symphony no. 5? Take a gander at that to see what I'm getting at. Not even saying they are of some lineage or something but they evoke the same atmosphere to me. I dunno. This could all be just stupid.
And thanks for the heads up on the Saualito stuff, checking that out now... and of course the mediafire link is down on Doom and Gloom... some really sketchy looking site called 'Rockin CD' asking 10 bucks to stream... guess I'll pass on that.
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 18:44 (9 months ago) Permalink
jim o'rourke says something similar in the liner notes to live in tasmania reissue, comparing him to charlemagne palestine - "ice cubes in a blender"
― ogmor, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 18:57 (9 months ago) Permalink
i'll re-up that sausalito set, give me a sec
― tylerw, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 18:58 (9 months ago) Permalink
annnnd here it is: http://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/21030078332/in-christ-there-is-no-east-or-west-john-fahey
― tylerw, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 19:35 (9 months ago) Permalink
3 years after that recording, Fleetwood Mac would come in to that studio to record Rumours.
― queequeg (peter grasswich), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 19:40 (9 months ago) Permalink
Oh ha, that blog's you, huh? Fuck yeah, dude, thanks! I'll be sure to poke around your posts some more, that's a nice writeup you've got there. I imagine you've got most of the Delta Slider Fahey recordings, but do you have "Live at the Barn?" i don't remember where I found that one (somewhere else, not Delta Slider) but if you don't have it and would be interested I could up that too. There's a track where Fahey exhorts the crowd to commit suicide with him? Kind of some heavy shit.
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 19:46 (9 months ago) Permalink
i do have live at the barn. kind of a depressing listen! though he plays well for the most part.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 19:50 (9 months ago) Permalink
for some reason i just don't listen to a lot of solo guitar records. in general. maybe when i'm older. i did like that numero group comp of private press stuff though. i do like selling john fahey records. i kinda like that stuff that bill orcutt has been putting out. that stuff is pretty demented. but mostly its just the problem of being a record seller. basho/fahey/bull stuff is just too easy to sell. i never hold on to any of it.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 20:01 (9 months ago) Permalink