Rolling Country 2006 Thread

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed
Not all messages are displayed: show all messages (2098 of them)
Has anybody heard the new Lee Ann Womack? Due out 11/21. I just listened to the single on her myspace page. Did Jack Johnson produce this thing or just play the bongos? I think I hate it.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Saturday, 4 November 2006 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Nickel Creek come out of the prayer closet on Why Should The Fire Die see my groovy review archived at http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com/

don (dow), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, did the Silos always sound as bland as they are on their new album? I don't remember ever listening to them before, but I vaguely recall people convincing me over the years that I might like them. But I can't tell if the band has just gone downhill, or if they were always bores to begin with. Explanations would be appreciated.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Christgau suggests downhill, maybe:

http://robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?name=silos

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Hi yall, I'm reading the latest Music Issue of Oxford American at the Lieberry; somebody stole the CD natch, but seems like mostly good readin', past Roy Blount Jr.'s ramblin whine (which is also qualified in so many places he don't like Bob Dylan, feels implicitly looked down upon for this brave, Politically Incorrect Southern White Male stance, but then again he will concede that Dylan is good at this and that; mainly is offended atillin' Dylan's looseness with words, not like sweet succinct Roy, of course)(which reminds me of one of the better pieces: Bill F-W on logocentrism, beginning with music crits' tendency to review the lyric sheet [anecdote from his time as editor at "an alternative Nashville weekly"], and how he himself avoided writing about instrumentals, ahd how he kind of got past logocentrism in some respects. but I won't tell you the ending. it's pretty cool)Some other goodies too.

don (dow), Saturday, 4 November 2006 22:25 (seventeen years ago) link

The Silos albums have alway been spotty, but a collection of singles or choice cuts would be a thing of beauty. Haven't listened to the new one yet. I can't imagine anyone hearing their version of Michael Hall's "Let's Take Some Drugs and Drive Around" and thinking they're always bores.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Saturday, 4 November 2006 23:55 (seventeen years ago) link

about that oxford american cd, most of its kind of not worth it, but i keep foretting how jeanne c riley is worth it, and her photo in the magazine is so iconic, so yeah, her some words, naems, faces, is worth paying a few bucks for.

i took out the charley patton collection out of the library, and was kind of disappointed, ive listened to alot of country and blues from the 20s and 30s, well maybe not alot, but enough, and hes good, very good, but i dont know people like uncle dave macon, strike me as much better...

pinkmoose (jacklove), Sunday, 5 November 2006 04:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Some potentially intriguing songs to talk about that got played on country radio stations last week, according to mediabase (some of them, i haven't heard and maybe i should and wonder if anybody else did; some of them, the bands just have cool names though i never heard of them before; some of them, same for the song titles; some of them are non-country acts and/or alt-country acts; some of them are just songs i like i lot that it's nice to know i'm not the only one who thinks so; some of them might conceivably be dead boys or foreigner covers but probably not; and isn't Sonny Burgess, like, some old '50s rockabilly guy who used to play major league baseball? Or am I confusing him with somebody?) anyway, here goes:

lw TW Artist Title TW lw Move
39 38 KEITH ANDERSON Podunk 513 427 86 2.836
66 ENNIS SISTERS Holding On 66 0 66 0.152
92 75 JOHN MELLENCAMP Our Country 21 15 6 0.274
87 79 BOB SEGER Wait For Me 25 22 3 0.308
72 80 POVERTYNECK HILLBILLIES Mr. Right Now 32 38 -6 0.239
116 101 BOB SEGER Real Mean Bottle (f/... 8 5 3 0.051
162 106 FABULOUS GUNSLINGERS She Rode The Bull 8 3 5 0.115
124 110 BOMSHEL Bomshel Stomp 15 14 1 0.087
117 SUGARLAND Mean Girls 5 0 5 0.160
146 122 NOMAD Meet Me At Midnight 6 4 2 0.080
109 126 MONTGOMERY GENTRY Hey Country 7 8 -1 0.090
128 SUGARLAND Sugarland 5 0 5 0.151
169 138 NO JUSTICE Bend But Don't Break 9 6 3 0.034
189 151 DANIELLE PECK Sucks To Be You 10 5 5 0.048
277 160 KAREN PECK & NEW RIVER Hold Me While I Cry 5 2 3 0.083
145 166 BILLY RAY CYRUS I Want My Mullet Bac... 5 6 -1 0.033
243 170 KENNY CHESNEY Please Come To Bosto... 5 2 3 0.044
176 171 SHOOTER JENNINGS Gone To Carolina 5 4 1 0.018
173 172 TYLER DEAN Built For Blue Jeans 5 5 0 0.032
149 174 JASON ALLEN Kickapoo Creek 5 5 0 0.019
224 183 LANTANA Country As A City Gi... 4 3 1 0.018
223 190 NO JUSTICE Red Dress 4 3 1 0.015
194 COODER GRAW Lifetime Stand 2 0 2 0.018
179 202 SPUR 503 Into You 5 5 0 0.023
168 207 GREAT DIVIDE Crazy In California 6 7 -1 0.024
209 LOST TRAILERS Gravy 3 0 3 0.023
306 219 BIG & RICH Jalapeno 2 1 1 0.010
222 JASON BROWN Touchdown 9 0 9 0.026
225 STONEY LARUE Down In Flames 1 0 1 0.016
240 RODNEY ATKINS Cleaning This Gun (C... 1 0 1 0.004
427 241 SONNY BURGESS A Little Bit Stronge... 3 1 2 0.012*
221 248 SHOOTER JENNINGS Some Rowdy Women 3 3 0 0.009
249 CLEDUS T. JUDD Bake Me A Country Ha... 2 0 2 0.014
227 250 RYAN SHUPE & THE RUBBERBAND Banjo Boy 2 2 0 0.004
260 DAN BERN Trudy 1 0 1 0.008
232 265 TRACE ADKINS Feels Like The First... 1 1 0 0.008
197 266 DOO-WAH RIDERS Dear Beer 4 6 -2 0.004
131 269 MONTGOMERY GENTRY Redder Than That 1 6 -5 0.004
105 270 MONTGOMERY GENTRY Takes All Kinds 1 9 -8 0.024
277 LITTLE BIG TOWN Bones 1 0 1 0.023
291 GRETCHEN WILSON Heaven Help Me 2 0 2 0.021
292 DR. ELMO Redneck Dracula 2 0 2 0.005
296 JIMMY BUFFETT Reggabilly Hill 1 0 1 0.029
304 POVERTYNECK HILLBILLIES One Night In New Orl... 1 0 1 0.008
311 GREENCARDS The Ghost Of Who We ... 1 0 1 0.007
402 324 ELEVEN HUNDRED SPRINGS Why You Been Gone So... 2 1 1 0.009
332 BAKER GIRLS My Kind Of Living 1 0 1 0.005
127 339 BLAINE LARSEN Baby Don't Get Hooke... 1 6 -5 0.005
344 SHOOTER JENNINGS Little White Lines 1 0 1 0.005
359 WELL HUNGARIANS Diamonds And Love 1 0 1 0.005
360 MIRANDA LAMBERT Crazy Ex-Girlfriend 1 0 1 0.004
362 WEIRD AL YANKOVIC White And Nerdy 1 0 1 0.003
213 380 COWBOY TROY Somebody's Smilin' O... 1 2 -1 0.002
388 BROOKLYN TABERNACLE CHOIR I'm Amazed 1 0 1 0.011
400 CHARLIE DANIELS BAND The Intimidator 2 0 2 0.005
403 BOMSHEL Power Of One 1 0 1 0.011
404 BOMSHEL Oh, Baby 1 0 1 0.011
407 MONTGOMERY GENTRY Git-R-Done 1 0 1 0.009
406 435 PEAR RATZ Just South Of The Nu... 1 1 0 0.004
298 447 MARK KNOPFLER/EMMYLOU HARRIS This Is Us 1 2 -1 0.001
256 451 HOGG MAULIES Goodnight 1 2 -1 0.004
178 452 DARREN KOZELSKY Messed Up In Love 1 3 -2 0.004
457 BE GOOD TANYAS When Doves Cry 1 0 1 0.001
461 WOODY HARRELSON/JOHN C. RILEY Whoop-I-Ti-Yi-Yo 1 0 1 0.003
467 CARRIE RODRIQUEZ 50's French Movie 1 0 1 0.001
468 SOLOMON BURKE You're The Kind Of T... 1 0 1 0.001
340 478 TODD SNIDER Looking For A Job 1 1 0 0.001
252 480 KASEY CHAMBERS Nothing At All 1 1 0 0.001

Best new band names: Nomad, Cooder Graw, Doo-Wah Riders, Greencards, Dr. Elmo, Well Hungarians, Pear Ratz, and Darren Kozelsky if and only if his song has a polka rhythm.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 5 November 2006 14:39 (seventeen years ago) link

(And Hogg Maulies! Can't forget Hogg Maulies when it comes to cool names!) (And Lantana is pretty good too, come to think of it.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 5 November 2006 14:42 (seventeen years ago) link

And Fabulous Gunslingers. Really, one of the neat things about that list is that there seem to be so many actual self-contained per se' bands on there, though no doubt some of the acts whose names sound like bands actually aren't. (The Randy Rogers Band, Reckless Kelly, and Warren Brothers all had songs that got some airplay, too.) (Old Crow Medicine show didn't, interestingly enough, though that may just be because their new album, as far as I could tell from the few songs I got through on it, pretty much stinks bigtime.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 5 November 2006 15:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, re Dierks: Modern Day Drifter > Long Trip Alone (which has nothing as perfect as "Lot Of Leaving Left To Do" on it) > Dierks Bentley (which is still definitely worth owning).

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 5 November 2006 16:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Article on Music Row's long drool over Latino market:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061104/ap_on_bi_ge/hispanics_country_music

"I do think a huge portion of the Latin American population loves the same themes: meetin', greetin', cheatin' and retreatin,'" said Eddie Wright-Rios, a Vanderbilt University professor who specializes in the cultural history of modern Mexico.

Where to begin? And the Jeff Walker quote about tapping into the market...No hay negocio como el show.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 5 November 2006 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.ushcma.org/index.html

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 5 November 2006 17:56 (seventeen years ago) link



LATIN COUNTRY MUSIC

What Is Latin Country Music?

Latin Country music is an entirely new musical genre that celebrates the Latin influence in Country music. In essence, Latin Country music is a hybrid of both the Latin and Country musical genres and cultures (as culture relates to lifestyle, music, and values).

Latin Country music as it pertains to Country music is Country music that incorporates Latin sounds, words, instrumentation and rhythms. Equally, Latin Country music as it pertains to Latin music fuses traditional Country instrumentation, sounds and lyrics with a variety of Latin sub-genres (such as Norteño, Banda, Duranguense, Pop, and Rock).

Latin Country music is produced and performed by U.S. Country artists of Hispanic descent, Country artists from Mexico, Spain and Latin America and by American Country artists in the U.S. The music is performed in English, Spanish or a fusion of both languages.

Latin Country music emanates from a rich, historical background in Country music dating back to the early 1900s. Artists such as Gene Autry, Tex Ritter, Buck Owens, Marty Robbins, and Bob Wills have all fused Latin music and celebrated the Hispanic culture in their music. The Country influence in Latin music is also historically rich. Early Tex-Mex artists of the 1960’s such as Freddy Fender and Little Joe created Country music with a Latin twist. Later, artists such as Johnny Rodriguez, Linda Ronstadt, Emilio Navaira and Rick Treviño continued on the path of producing and performing Country music, always remembering their cultural roots and incorporating a Latin blend in their music.

Today, Latin Country music is a prominent and successful style of music performed by cutting-edge artists such as Tim McGraw, Toby Keith, Brooks and Dunn and Big and Rich. The Country music industry continues to celebrate the Latin culture in its song-writing and musical productions with songs such as “Stays in Mexico,” “That’s Why God Made Mexico,” “My Heart is Lost To You” and many more. Moreover, Latin Country music is a steady growth market with the rise of artists such as John Arthur Martinez, Victor Sanz, Anthony Rivera, Fidel Hernandez and J.R. Castillo. Equally, Country music is enjoyed all over Latin America and performed by artists such as Ha-Ash, Jimena, Coyote Dax and many more in Mexico, Spain, Argentina, Chile, Peru and Brazil.

The power of Latin Country music is that it reaches all people regardless of race, language or ethnicity. The U.S. Hispanic Country Music Association is devoted to uniting Country music artists, musicians, songwriters and fans for the purpose of celebrating Country music in its authentic and universal form – whether in English, Spanish or a fusion of both languages. Together, Latin Country music is the bridge that unites Country music enthusiasts everywhere while acknowledging and appreciating the beautiful and rich Latin cultural influence in Country music.


[

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 5 November 2006 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link

is there a country award at the latin grammies?

pinkmoose (jacklove), Sunday, 5 November 2006 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

that's a rich list chuck posts above, and I've heard good things about the povertyneck hillbillies.

kinda really liking the new darryl worley, which starts off with a great kiss-off to his old label and the n-ville establishment, and ends with one of the better iraq-war songs by any country artist, "I just came back from a war," which strikes me as very no-bullshit and real. I guess he does for blooze-country what dierks b. does for meta-grass outlawisms. I need another listen but so far, so really good.

haven't heard the womack yet.

great old stuff: ray price's "night life" and "marty [robbins] after midnight." got 'em burned on one CD, and enjoying them mightily, just smooth as hell, I mean marty does great by shit like "september in the rain" and ray seems to know plenty about "bright lights and blonde haired women." just the kind of thing I need right now.

and the stereo mixes of gene clark's one truly great and essential record, "with the gosdin brothers."

finally, anyone else know the beau brummels' '69 recorded-in-nashville "bradley's barn"? a fine record that really brings san francisco into mt. juliet, actually, and full of unexpected touches. very even-handed, a good version of the everly brothers song "turn around." a real lost moment of a real gone era, and just impeccable sound.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 5 November 2006 20:23 (seventeen years ago) link

gene clark's one truly great and essential record, "with the gosdin brothers."

ooo, I beg to differ. The reissue of "White Light" with the bonus tracks is also great and essential.

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 5 November 2006 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Latin Country music is an entirely new musical genre

wtf

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Sunday, 5 November 2006 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

So Toby's (exemplifying the brand new trend of!) Latin Country, eh? Can see the melodic melancholy, exuberance and macho fitting nicely into my gringo gleanings of "Latin", but I wonder what a Hispanic person might think of "Stays In Mexico"? Anthony, have you heard Charley Patton's box set, Screamin' & Hollerin' The Blues? Pretty damned astounding, but seems to have more to do with the ancestory of rock, even metal, than country, cos, even or especially working solo, he swings like a wrecking ball. Was always a source of contention among blues aficianados in the 50s/60s, it seems (Bobby D. caught Dave Van Ronk's attention by singing Patton back when/where that was def a minority taste, risky for newbie, especially one already getting rejected at audition because "You sound like a hillbilly. We want folksingers here.")

don (dow), Sunday, 5 November 2006 21:38 (seventeen years ago) link

is there a country award at the latin grammies?

Nah. I'm guessing that Country music probably needs the Hispanic demographic in the future more than vice versa (which isn't to deny it would be cool if Latin and Country really did find common ground.)

I was wrong about Kellie Pickler's album -- the second half (esp the proggily souped-up California-rock ballad "I Wonder," "Wild Ponies" with its waltz chorus melody that sounds like a bubblegum version of "Wild Horse" by the Stones just like the title says, "Small Town Girl" which I underrated, "Girls Like Me" where she smells the Magnolia trees and remembers kissing football stars) is every bit as much fun as the first half. And lots of it (esp "One Of The Guys" and "Gotta Keep Moving," which I swear starts out echoing "Roll On Down The Highway" by BTO) sure does boogie hard for bubble-country. Plus, at least three songs ("Red High Heels, "Things That Never Cross A Man's Mind," "One Of The Guys") refer to clothes and/or getting dressed and/or going shopping. "I Wonder" seems to maybe be a confessional-teen-pop-style dealing with abandonment by dad song, but maybe I'm hearing it wrong. "I'm On My Way" might be about her dad, too. And I agree -- "Pickler" is a great country singer name.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 5 November 2006 21:51 (seventeen years ago) link

And yeah, Charley Patton is great. Way more fun than Robert Johnson, anyday. (Though I agree - if Uncle Dave Macon's repertoire is all as catchy as the handful of songs I've heard, I might take him over Charley, though I've never really thought of them as the same genre, like Don says. Hell, "Shake It And Break It" is practically funk!)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 5 November 2006 22:00 (seventeen years ago) link

And I was probably wrong about Nickel Creek's best-of CD, too. They have melodies, very pretty ones. And probably rhythms, and maybe words. What's intovereted are the voices, and not all the time. Probably the trick is to think of it as a jazz record, or something.

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 5 November 2006 23:12 (seventeen years ago) link

introverted. (as it were.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Sunday, 5 November 2006 23:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Or really, the intoversion is in the tempos. They are one slow fucking band, usually. And the girl, especially, frequently tends to barely open her mouth, Chan Marshall style almost. I find this maddening, infuriating even. But what they seem to do sometimes is work up a slow drone, build and build, and let the harmonies emerge out of that. Very pretty, and closer to Fairport Convention (if not really, um, all that close to Fairport Convention) than to country. And I don't get the idea they do that very often, but sometimes they hint at it. Jam band fans like these guys, if I remember right, but I can't think of many jam bands who are ever this pretty. There's something intricate going on, but it's still fairly pop. At any rate, the CD's starting to sound okay. At least temporarily. Maybe eventually individual songs will start to kick in.

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 6 November 2006 00:53 (seventeen years ago) link

And oh yeah, they also do a really shitty verion of "Subterranean Homesick Blues" (he does it as a irritating blabbermouth rap a la Anthony Keidis) in the middle of "The Fox". (And despite the draggy tempos, there can be energy in the fiddle and mandolin or whatever. But even when they do pick up steam, they never seem to make the music dance. And compared to, say, the Duhks -- whose 2006 CD was kinda bleh -- or Donna the Buffalo, they seem really antiseptic. And it's not like the Duhks or Donna are rolling in mud themselves.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 6 November 2006 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

And ha, I just noticed that Geoffrey Himes has a full-page piece in today's Times arts section about all the new young string bands like the Duhks, Mammals, Old Crow Medicine Show, etc (also Uncle Earl, who I never heard of before). None of whom rock half as much as he pretends (though the quote from Ruth Ungar of the Mammals that says "the difference between Old Crow Medicine Show and Sufjan Stevens isn't all that great" might unintentionally hit the nail on the head about how non-rocking they tend to be), but it's still nice to seem them getting space I suppose. (But why no Donna the Buffalo?) (And why no Duhks + Mammals = Platypi jokes, for that matter?) (Though Uncle Dave Macon does get a mention, oddly enough.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 6 November 2006 01:40 (seventeen years ago) link

What's weird is that Nickel Creek's female member, Sara Watkins, might actually have the strongest singing voice in the band when she actually uses it, but she seems to hold it in check way more often. The guy with the lonesome ethereal fasetto -- That's Chris Thile, right? Anyway, the songs the falsetto guy sings tend to be the prettiest. I think. Also, the liner notes claim they're fans of Pat Metheny, Brad Mehldau, and Radiohead, so that explains a lot I guess.

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 6 November 2006 02:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I haven't heard "I Wonder" but you're probably right--one of the bio facts pushed on Amer Idol was that Kellie Pickler's father was in prison.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Monday, 6 November 2006 03:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I've been listening to Chris Thile's latest solo album "How To Grow a Woman From the Ground" and I like it, but mostly as background music so far. I'll have to pay more attention to the singing.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Monday, 6 November 2006 03:27 (seventeen years ago) link

a few more things about nickel creek: (1) if they do drone, which i may merely have imagined i'm still not sure, they don't drone nearly enough; they're too jittery and impatient for repetition, maybe. (2) i'm pretty sure their catchiest track is "the smoothie song," which is an instrumental, which is not a good sign. (3) their pavement cover did not make the best-of CD. (4) overall i'd say that, despite being clearly ambitious in some ways, their actual execution is boring in a fairly indie-rock way -- so yeah, sufjan is probably a real good comparison, actually. (5) despite frequently being pretty, they're rarely if ever beautiful. (6) i give up. but nobody can say i didn't try. maybe i'll try again someday, who knows?

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 6 November 2006 12:45 (seventeen years ago) link

what xgau (who got more out of the lyrics than i ever have and still gave them a c+) said:

http://robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?name=nickel+creek

xhuxk (xheddy), Monday, 6 November 2006 13:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Uncle Dave, whom I love, is like Charley Patton in a way: they were the weird strong older guys from a little further out (in the country, and otherwise), the solidity and mercurial"roots" resurcefulness needed to respond to the ch-ch-changes of the New South (they were also both travelling businessmen who owned new suits and automobiles,etc.: citizens of the New South, of course, though they did it Their Ways, which was the point)Great stuff about him in Robert Palmer's Deep Blues, which I've been re-reading. Xhuxk, your take on NC is reasonable and I haven't heard the Best Of, which may well overemph tracks from This Side, but! Please check this, anybody who thinks anything about 'em, pos or neg: http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com/2005_10_01_thefreelancementalists_archive.html/ (if doesn't work, ck the Oct. 05 archive link, on homepage, but this URL should work)

don (dow), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I think the best country album of this year BY FAR is Intocable's Cruce de Caminos a.k.a. Crossroads; all in Spanish yes, but 100% domestically-produced (they are from Texas), beautiful songs, impeccably produced, they all ride horses into the city on the cover -- even the really fat guy in the band, shouldn't he be riding an ox like Mongo? -- and that is exactly what the album sounds like.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:26 (seventeen years ago) link

well doodoo---maybe it's the html thing, but yeah just go to http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com and look just to the right of the latest post's title, and you'll see the link for the 10/2005 archive.

don (dow), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

where does one perhaps request "crossroads"?

I dunno, charley patton always struck me as the real essential delta blues guy, pre-war. he had the rhythmic thing down, he is really funky and rocking, and robert johnson sounds affected by comparison. steve calt's bio of patton could scarcely be improved upon. the thing is, what world was uncle dave macon living in? he was farming and so forth, owned his own land or what? patton, though, what did he own? he lived a tough life--that would seem the big difference, that and patton's music seemed to reach forward and uncle dave macon was a relic of the past--not that there's anything wrong with that, but seems to me the diff between "rock and roll" and, you know, that opry shit. which is of course is slightly unfair to the opry, but it makes me feel good to put it that way. I like all that old weird country stuff fine, but I honestly never felt the emotional connection to it that I've always felt to those old blues guys.

g. himes wrote about the mammals, well, for No Depression, a while back. having heard donna the buffalo, duhks, mammals, nickel creek, and as I like to call 'im Surfin' Stevens, I kinda find the whole thing tiresome. I actually dug the weird sound and *muffled yet angry* thing the mammals did on "departure," and admire ruth ungar's songs. the duhks doing fraser & deBolt was very cool, a stroke, but for my part, Cuban/Brazilian instrumentation does not make a Cuban/Brazilian rhythmic aesthetic, far from it. their last record was really accomplished and while I respect them--I had a great conversation with Scott Senior, and they all seem to be fine people--their music isn't for me, it's for people in Boulder or something. having lived in Boulder, I know about what that whole thing is about. nickel creek is just plain boring, and I never could work up enough enthusiasm to even comment on them. donna the buffalo have some verve, some skank, even. the next step for these bands--brad mehldau is a very fine pianist who covers some, er, interesting pop songs, just like cassandra wilson fell asleep during her attempt to do "pleasant valley sunday" a decade ago--is to make a Big Record here in N-ville with Edgar Meyer and Jerry Douglas and Emmy lou and all them. avant-bluegrass or whatever. all I can say is, there must be some weird folk scenes in canada, and that it's a long way from where I live.

and yeah, roy, I'm a gene clark fan and you're right about "white." it's good. I also quite like "no other" and those great demos he did, like "los angeles." but I love "with the gosdin bros."

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:12 (seventeen years ago) link

haha I had to actually BUY my copy of Crossroads at Circuit City like an actual fan! I think it's on EMI Latin, which means GOOD FUCKING LUCK trying to actually get hold of anyone at the label.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:17 (seventeen years ago) link

g. himes wrote about the mammals, well, for No Depression, a while back

He did? I thought that was me. :)

I pretty much agree with xhuxk on NC, save the part about the Sufjan comparison. I mean there's a long tradition of boring, non-rocking newgrass/bluegrass/mathgrass (© Edd Hurt), so who needs indie rock to explain why Nickel Creek is crippled?

But they can be decent live--not that that redeems much....

Roy Kasten (Roy Kasten), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:17 (seventeen years ago) link

ha ha, roy, you're right, I was thinking "duhks" but typed "mammals." himes' piece was in 2005, yours was pretty recent. goddam it, we should indeed just rename them the platypi and be done with it.

and I mean that's just my take on those bands. there's some part of me that kind of digs it but in the end I don't. it's sort of a good idea, what they do, and perhaps it comes down to the material, which is why I probably like the mammals the best, because their songs seem better.

and, I just checked out that memphis commercial appeal link that don forwarded, on george soule. fascinating. that's one I need to hear, since I've been steeped in muscle shoals/memphis white soul this last week, seeing donnie fritts and cropper and all them here.

xps

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 6 November 2006 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Edd, check Luc Sante's review of the xpost Patton box on villagevoice.com (although he's def not a Calt fan). Not saying Charlie ever had the prosperity, opportunities, etc.of Uncle Dave, but Luc and Bob Palmer (in Deep Blues) indicate he had some sense about the dollars he did get. And certainly an influential figure, a wizard & star to Those Who Knew, in his orbit. Yeah, I wanna check those country soul comps Merlis mentions too; here's the link, which prob won't work, but the subject is George Soule, the author is Bob Merlis and it was posted Nov. 4: http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/music/article/0,1426,MCA_505_5116472,00.html

don (dow), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:01 (seventeen years ago) link

it does work, woohoo!

don (dow), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Listening to Memphis Jug Band (Yazoo 1067, sometimes listed as Double Album, cos it advertises itself as that on the cover, but just s/t on spine and label). This is closer to Uncle Dave than Charley Patton is, and seems like their repetoire might overlap with Dave's, although maybe not "Cocaine Habit Blues"("Have a whiff on me," but also how nowadays all these young folks are goin' to the needles, rather than snortin'; now there's an old-country-folks-type headshaking comment). Something more slippery about this, as far as getting my own comments together, which is unfortunate, because I'm listening to it and then Jim Kweskin Jug Band, to compare with Asylum Street Spankers (or ASS, as their publicist calls them), who are subject of piece. Any thoughts, etc.

don (dow), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 05:33 (seventeen years ago) link

ASS should be a lot funnier then it is

pinkmoose (jacklove), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 09:54 (seventeen years ago) link

ASS's marijuana concept album had amusing moments; beyond that, it's never been clear to me what exactly their appeal is supposed to be.

Memphis Jug Band are one of the great bands of the century, though I would assume anybody familiar with my second book should already know I think that. And anybody who can't find Double Album (is it in print anymore? I'm guessing not) should track down the '01 Yazoo CD The Best Of The Memphis Jug Band. Better yet: own both, like I do. There's some overlap, of course, but less than you'd think, as I recall (someday I'll compare them track by track.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 11:55 (seventeen years ago) link

The CD is Yazoo 2059, fwiw.

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 11:56 (seventeen years ago) link

As for Charley (or Charlie? when did they change the spelling of his name>) Patton, I figure the Founder of the Delta Blues LP (Yazoo L-1020) is definitive, but if you can't find that one (which is likely), go with the The Best Of Charlie Patton CD (Yazoo 2069), and it's worth owning both if you find one of them cheap. Next in line, as far as I know, would be Charlie's Primevel Blues, Rags, and Gospel Songs (Yazoo 2074). (Isn't there also a Revenant box or something? I think I heard a sampler from it once.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 12:06 (seventeen years ago) link

the box is what i got frmo the library, it is one of he most beautiful objects ive seen, all packaged like 78s, and lots of old timey fonts, in handsome baize green leatherette, but still, listening to it, shrug...

pinkmoose (jacklove), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 12:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Sheldon Harris' "Blues Who's Who" spells it "Charley"/"Charlie" Patton, Calt's book has it "Charlie." I always spelled it "-ey."

And right, the Memphis Jug Band's stuff is among my very favorite music, and damned if I don't have my double-LP, the one with the Crumb drawing, any more. Steve Calt gave that to me years ago. I made a tape of that with some Cannon's Jug Stompers and the prime Rev. Robert Wilkins stuff. So that's one I need to get on CD, and thanks for reminding me.

I've known Calt since around '93, when he got me to go down to Bentonia, Miss. and interview a blues singer named Jack Owens. He's always been a good friend and I believe his heart is in the right place; I don't agree with him about a lot of stuff, and his whole take on the blues always seemed like a strenuous effort to place blues into a...framework of the Larger Culture, to analyze it like any other artform. Which should work, but somehow doesn't. Because it's just too strenuous, and you don't get anywhere kicking yourself over and over about your youthful idealism that has now flown.
xps

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 14:20 (seventeen years ago) link

"I would assume" yeah I knew that, just asking for comments in general; yep he does have theamazing Revenant boxset, which I already mentioned in first response to Anthony above, Screamin' & Hollerin' The Blues, which is what Luc reviewed in that piece I xpost rec'd to Edd, you prob edited that, didn't you? ASS's Mercurial is pretty funny, and also has the winsome-to-smoldering blues femme, sort of a Bob Wills/Tommy Duncan, guys/Maria M.(Kweskin Jug Band),Fred/gals(B-52s) or Louis Prima/Keely Smith, except here we get more whole sep tracks in each approach,

don (dow), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 18:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Also a bit like Dan Hicks & Hot Licks, with funny songs like "How Can I Miss You If You Won't Go Away?" (which sounds like he means it, so serious enough), and more overtly serious like "I Scare Myself," co-existing pretty well (also like Eleanor's poised vocals x Matthew's whacky sounds in Fiery Furnaces, although again that's almost always on the same track, not one approach per track)

don (dow), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 18:09 (seventeen years ago) link

but now I'm gonna go vote, Yall Go Vote! Yall too, Pinkmoose & Tim!

don (dow), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.