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So I'm making the annual journey to Ontario to see mom for the holidays, and I'm wondering if anyone knows of any good indie and/or dance record stores in Toronto. I remember there being a small decent indie store on Queen St. near Younge, but that's it. I haven't spent any significant time there in a long while, so I need help. Help!

― jsoulja (jsoulja), Thursday, 22 December 2005 07:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

I remember there being a small decent indie store on Queen St. near Younge

This is probably Penguin Music on McCaul just north of Queen.

There are loads of music stores on Queen. Another very well-known store is Record Peddler on Queen west of Bathurst. If you're looking for vinyl, try Play de Record (Yonge north of Dundas, a few storefronts north of the bigass Sam's and HMV) or Kops (Queen west of University, very close to Penguin Music). PdR has a great selection of club music, particularly house. Kops used to have a more general selection, but lately they've focused more on hip-hop.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 22 December 2005 07:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

Rotate this!

http://www.rotate.com/about.php

― gnippiks, Thursday, 22 December 2005 08:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

WHOA, I wrote Record Peddler when I meant Rotate This. Peddler closed down years ago! WTF?

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 22 December 2005 08:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

I see that Rotate have completely redesigned their site. It has actual information on it! It used to contain just the concert ticket listings along with a bunch of threats and warnings (which have been carried over to the new site).

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 22 December 2005 08:33 (7 years ago) Permalink

wasn't there a penguin records or something there at one time?!? in the 90s?

― corey c (shock of daylight), Thursday, 22 December 2005 08:49 (7 years ago) Permalink

oh nevermind, i missed the word in the first post, my eyes are bad.

― corey c (shock of daylight), Thursday, 22 December 2005 08:50 (7 years ago) Permalink

Two more out of the way vinyl-centric stores for you in T.O.:
-Around Again (still somewhat central, at Baldwin & McCaul; go north on McCaul from the AGO intersection at Dundas, and it's on the north side of the street, four or five stores in going west on Baldwin)
-Discovery (www.discoveryrecords.com; way, way out in the east end on the Queen streetcar line at Jones, but if you want stuff that no-else paws through, this is the place)

― C.D., Thursday, 22 December 2005 12:12 (7 years ago) Permalink

you want indie you need to go to SOUNDSCAPES, the best record shop in toronto and i'm really surprised no one's mentioned it yet. West of bathurst on college.

― a Side-walkin' Street Wheeler (aaron ef.), Thursday, 22 December 2005 16:17 (7 years ago) Permalink

Also Soundscapes somewhere on College St.

― gnippiks, Thursday, 22 December 2005 16:19 (7 years ago) Permalink

Ooops.

― gnippiks, Thursday, 22 December 2005 16:21 (7 years ago) Permalink

:) I knew someone was just about to mention it!

― a Side-walkin' Street Wheeler (aaron ef.), Thursday, 22 December 2005 16:23 (7 years ago) Permalink

you gotta go to soundscapes!

rotate this is awful.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 22 December 2005 16:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

She Said Boom! is a great used cd/vinyl/books shop (no dance really) there's one on college st. east of bathurst and one on roncesvaille in the west end just north queen. i usually find a disc or two in the newly arrived used section.

Rotate has vinyl and the 'scapes doesn't though.

― a Side-walkin' Street Wheeler (aaron ef.), Thursday, 22 December 2005 16:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

oh, and there's a terrific little used cd shop in the annex on bathurst just east of lee's palace on the south side called "flash & crash" or some such. great indie/hip hop/soul selection.

there's tonnes of used shops in that area, also a few great vinyl shops east of rotate this you should check out -- one called Cosmo's specializes in rare brazilian funk, rare groove, 70's & 80's r&b. i really know nothing about this stuff, but there's always something great playing in there that makes me wish i did.

― a Side-walkin' Street Wheeler (aaron ef.), Thursday, 22 December 2005 16:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

Soundscapes and Play De Record were the two shops I liked the best when I was in Toronto.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 22 December 2005 17:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

Play De Record now has a vintage shop across the street too, be sure to check that place out.

― a Side-walkin' Street Wheeler (aaron ef.), Thursday, 22 December 2005 17:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

Soundscapes is just horrible, and so is Rotate This.

There ain't a single decent indie store in Toronto.

― Shooz (shooz), Thursday, 22 December 2005 21:19 (7 years ago) Permalink

Soundscapes is the second best record store in Canada, next to Zulu in Vancouver. The Soundscapes staff are a bunch of snotty drips, but the selection is top notch.

― Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 22 December 2005 22:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm starting to feel that Soundscapes is the most overrated record store in Canada. The selection is wide (lots of genres), but not particularly deep (catalogue-wise, not a lot of particularly hard-to-find or obscure music). And they have chairs. Whoopie. It's a great store, but let's calm ourselves.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 22 December 2005 22:44 (7 years ago) Permalink

i think it's well-stocked (i agree about the breadth over depth thing though), the staff is fine, they always have stuff i wanna buy & i always enjoy being there. which to me = great record store. i really can't imagine what shooz's problem is--esp. viewing it as an INDIE store!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 23 December 2005 00:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

Some diverse opinions of all mentioned- but thanks to everyone who contributed. This gives me plenty to work with and I'll try to report back with updates on what these places are stocking at present....

Just got in and I can already tell you that it's FREEZING here!

― jsoulja (jsoulja), Friday, 23 December 2005 02:12 (7 years ago) Permalink

bah, it was nice today. freezing last week though.

there's a great new vinyl only shop on markham, in a basement across from honest ed's. just popped in for a minute last weekend and didn't have time to scour but it seemed like a real gem... Young Marble Giants, Rezillos, Poppy Family & Bill Withers on he walls. Also across the street from The Beguiling comics and Suspect video, and next door to a couple of decent bookstores. nerd's delight.

Near there is Sonic Boom over by the Bloor Cinema on Bloor east of Bathurst. it's not considered as hip as rotate this or as fabulous as soundscapes, but they have a constant supply of very cheap used cd's and dvd's courtesy of U of T students going broke & all the critics in town sneakily selling off their freebies - plus a nice varied selection of new stuff. They will also buy anything that's not damaged with only minimal record store guy snarkiness, if you're ever looking to unload. It's huge and I have a soft spot for it because I grew up nearby and until the late 80's it used to be a Woolworth's with a photo booth & a lunch counter in the back with hot turkey sandwiches & the whole 9 yards.

Discoveries, a few blocks east of Cowan on Queen used to have some good stuff on vinyl, lots of old r&b and rock. very strong on old soul 45's at one point, but I haven't been in years. Open City, also in the east end is also worth digging through. They used to have a massive basement where everything was a buck where you could occasionally find something interesting.

I love the people at Around Again on Baldwin. Great varied selection of vinyl, and always immaculate condition. Lovely folks too.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 23 December 2005 04:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

I like Vortex at Yonge and Eglinton for used stuff. Sometimes anyway.

― Kim (Kim), Friday, 23 December 2005 05:11 (7 years ago) Permalink

sonic boom IS way better than it looks from the outside.

around again is charming.

vortex i used to go to several times a week during high school. i think if i went in there again it would really freak me out.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 23 December 2005 05:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

I am trying to find a shop in Toronto that buys used CD's- mostly hip hop and rap. My son has a vast collection- probably 100

― Lillian Lee, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 22:48 (7 years ago) Permalink

mom i told you not to post here!

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 19:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

Kops still has some oldies vinyl and CDs upstairs. I hardly ever get there anymore, but if you're ever looking for obscure singles, it's kinda fun. I think the definition of "oldies" has now expanded to include exploito-NewWave stuff.
Vortex sometimes has some decent stuff. They had a half-price sale this year, and I got a bunch then.
SoundScapes is good for new CDs. I don't know why people keep saying the staff is snooty, they always been nice to me. Maybe that just means I spend too much money there...living 2 blocks away is dangerous.
Rotate This is fine.
That new one on Markham Street is called Spinables. Run by a guy who had a store by the same name in Ottawa a few years ago. Haven't really explored it yet.
Plug for a store a friend owns: Babel, on Ossington north of Queen. Decent selection, decent prices. Real good book selection, too. Worth a look if you're out that way.

― pauls00, Wednesday, 28 December 2005 20:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

Here's my updated report on the Toronto stores I've hit in the last few days:

Penguin's - on Queen St. - very tight but well tended supply of mostly indie rock CDs with a small electronic section, prices average about $18-20 Canadian, but they do a 1 day 25% off sale on Boxing Day each year, which means I walked out of there with two of the pricey Slowdive re-issues for $35 US. Really nice staff, too. Maybe about the size of the Aquarius store in SF, but not quite the diversity.

Rotate This - also on Queen St. - slightly larger than Penguin's, but still a relatively small selection of indie, hip-hop, electronic, punk, and reggae. Additional vinyl section with a decent supply of indie and electronic records. Prices same as Penguin's. Quiet hipster staff that maybe smells a little cooler-than-you, but they were perfectly polite. 15% off all this week, too!

SoundScapes - College St. - the Other Music of Toronto. Wide ranging selecion of diverse music CDs filed in their proper esoteric categories. Not deep in stock, but they had quite a few CDs by bands you'd have a hard time finding anywhere. Staff is very to-the-point, but fine. Their Psych section is manicured like a bonsai tree and is totally gorgeous.

HMV - Yonge St., right where the recent shootings took place - funny, I was walking with my mom through this area, near the Eaton Center mall, just before the shootings. I actually commented to her on the change in the youth culture around there. In the early 80s, the local kids were mostly punks who wandered from Queen to beg change off tourists, metal kids hitting the head shops, and new wavers posing. Now it's all rap kids- almost every youth in sight was decked out in official wanna-be-gangbanger gear, and this was fronted by blacks, whites, Asians, you name it. Crawling all over Yonge St. So I mention this and a half hour later a group of them open fire into a crowd of shoopers and kill one person and injure six others. Over 30 rounds fired. Really lame.

When Canadians start getting into rap, you know know it's over. It's the apocalypse. Tomorrow, all of Compton and Queensbridge are going to swear alliance to professional hockey, and some trumpet will blair somewhere....

― jsoulja (jsoulja), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 20:49 (7 years ago) Permalink

crowd of shoppers, not shoopers

sorry aboot that

(oh- and if you haven't visited Toronto, you should- great city)

― jsoulja (jsoulja), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 20:52 (7 years ago) Permalink

In the early 80s, the local kids were mostly punks who wandered from Queen to beg change off tourists, metal kids hitting the head shops, and new wavers posing. Now it's all rap kids

i don't think Toronto's exactly unique in this change from 25 years ago.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 21:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

When Canadians start getting into rap, you know know it's over. It's the apocalypse.

and fuck you very much you ignorant prick.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 21:15 (7 years ago) Permalink

um, you're right on the point of this not being a unique change, Fritz...

...and my comment on the apocalypse was a joke, but if you really want to get into it, back up your shit, if you've got anything to support your claim of my being ignorant

I've been listening to hip-hop since '83, and I'm comfortable enough in my social comments not to be deterred by some lame sensitivity issues relative to children with a stick up their ass about how people who dare to say anything critical w/r/t hip-hop as being a sign of ignorance

calling someone ignorant based on a few words they wrote on a music thread is, um, pretty ignorant

but go ahead and insult me all you want, just don't shoot me for it....

― jsoulja (jsoulja), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 21:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

I'm not talking about your comments on the shooting on Yonge St, that was tragic and awful and I'm sorry you were here for it.

I took offence to your implication that hip hop was somehow a new thing in 2005 to a city with a population of 8 million. It would be just as stupid to act as if it's a shocker that hip hop has hit Mexico or Japan. It was a dumb statement. If you're kidding, sorry if I over-reacted, but I grew up here as a hip hop fan and it felt like an insult.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 21:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

3 million, not 8... typo

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 21:49 (7 years ago) Permalink

No hard feelings. I just never associated hip-hop with Toronto. I grew up in Buffalo with relatives in Toronto, and while hip-hop in Buffalo spread fast, for me Toronto was all about CFNY, even after hip-hop took over the top 40 charts. I now live in Los Angeles, and seeing Toronto kids embracing hip-hop is for me kind of like seeing kids in South Central wearing NHL gear instead of NBA gear, if that makes sense. But now that I think about it, the DOC and maybe even some NWA were wearing Kings gear in the Straight Outta Compton days, so my perceptions are just a bit crossed. Didn't mean to insult anyone....

But how crazy was that shooting? Yikes! Even gangbangers in LA don't go to the tourist-y city malls and open fire! I hope things calm down....

― jsoulja (jsoulja), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 22:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

There was a fatal shooting in nearly the exact same location this past summer. You're right, it doesn't make any sense. You don't hear about people getting shot in broad daylight in New York's Times Square (at least I never have, maybe some New Yorkers can confirm this). It's just about the dumbest place in the city to start waving a gun around -- packed streets at all hours of the day, countless numbers of witnesses ... these people opened fire on each other from across the street and killed a 15-year old girl. So sad and so stupid.

Everything at Rotate This was 25% off when I was there (the 26th), so it sounds like they downgraded their sale since then! Big vinyl markdowns too. I had just finished with a family get-together that afternoon and decided to make it my first (and only) stop of the day. If I hadn't gone there then I would have gone to Yonge & Dundas instead, and arrived around the time the shooting took place. Yet another reason to love Rotate This, I guess.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 29 December 2005 01:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

if you're looking for dance with a bit of indie check out play de ... nav is trying to add some different stuff and recent stockings have included things like hot chip, zongamin, panico 12"s .. as well as the usj dance/ hip hop/ etc ... play de record is up around yonge and dundas as well. north of that hmv.

rotate is like my neighborhood corner store. i practically grew up there and they've always been super nice and helpful.

― jaime, Thursday, 29 December 2005 02:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

huh- I missed Play De and was looking for it....

....but that area was SO PACKED on the 26th, it amplifies the severity of the shooting. Any shot fired anywhere near that area was going to hit someone. Wall to wall people up and down the street on both sides.

Wait- is Play De mostly vinyl, categorized bt various dance genres? I may remember it now....

― jsoulja (jsoulja), Thursday, 29 December 2005 04:50 (7 years ago) Permalink

my friend's brother got shot this year, in the annex :(

on a lighter note i had a nice time at soundscapes today. the staff were having a hilariously indie-record-store conversation about sonic youth and acetates.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 29 December 2005 06:21 (7 years ago) Permalink

Play De is indeed great, and they also opened a used shop upstairs & across the street. I do miss the weird drugstore/porn/knife shop that used to take up the front section.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 29 December 2005 17:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

Slocki, you're insane for hating Rotate! I love Soundscapes, but Rotate is effin fantastic too. I have said this elsewhere: Soundscapes is for the cream that rises to the top, and Rotate is great for the scunge that sinks to the bottom. Both are necessary.

How long are you in T.O.?

(And yes, there's been hiphop in Toronto for a lonnnng, lonnnnng time.)

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 29 December 2005 18:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

i'm only in the t-dot till tomorrow! and i am somewhat under the weather :(

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 29 December 2005 19:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

penguin is closing soon - shame, it's a nice little spot.

i'm really liking babel on ossington these days.

has anyone checked out Hits & Misses on Bloor (near Ossington, I think) yet? I've heard good things... mostly punk rock if I'm not mistaken.

― fritz, Thursday, 13 September 2007 11:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

aw penguin :(

― s1ocki, Thursday, 13 September 2007 12:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

Wow, Penguin closing? That’s just not right. I bought Butter 08’s Butter of 69 there!

― Finefinemusic, Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah, it's really too bad. there was a little thing in one of the local papers where the owner (kim?) said sales are actually on the upswing but rent got jacked up

― fritz, Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

It's very very, and I mean very sad news. I hope he works things out, I've been a really loyal customer there for many years, bought hundreds of CD's there, and it's going to be so sad if it just ceases to be, I can't image it really.

― mehlt, Thursday, 13 September 2007 20:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

Hooray! Penguin lives on, it's moving a block west and I believe is sharing the space with black market (ugh, not looking forward to having to be in Black Market, but who cares) so, uh, go there and buy lots of stuff.

― mehlt, Sunday, 23 September 2007 02:59 (5 years ago) Permalink

Penguin def. got me through high school! I'm glad it's not closing forever. Hits and Misses is a rad store, they (well, he) carry tons of new and old vinyl, lots of good older finds, current 7"s etc, I hope it does well.

― now more than ever, Sunday, 23 September 2007 08:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

Thanks guys in town from boston digging old soul and funk breaks across the country to colorado. Looks like I can figure some of this out in the 2 days I'm here. At least I have a place to start from. If anyone reads this in the next 2 days I am looking for Collector records $$$$$, old soul, funk, jazz, disco, electro, hiphop 12' og print NO BULL reprints. Basically a huge store with lots of crates to try to get over in... dirty fingers and dusty sleaves. Thanks for the info www.myspace.com/puffah

SEAR KD (KINGS DYSTROY. NYC)

By the way hiphop is not just music. There are meny elements. GRAFF, B BOY/ GIRL, CRATE DIGGING, MC's SCRATCHING. It is not gangs. I never saw that in the elements list ?????? Theres nothing like how to roll a fool, or marksmanship of a gat there. Yes they both exist in the world and their worlds cross over into each other but they are diffrent things. YES they both have additude and have the same clothes and talk but are diffrent. Please don't group the actions of little kids trying to find themself in the world through guns, drugs and paper to what I love. Its something kids figure out or they don't. The one's who don't end up in jail or dead. SEEN it to meny times. I am sorry to the world that this is what the mass media has turned hiphop into in the eyes of the public. Fuck clear channel and the deregulation of media for the finacial gains of media monopolies in the US. We are loosing the rights of free speach by loosing the channels to market more then one product being produced by one company. Over the last 10 years almost all pre recorded music is now locked from the public domaine by sample laws. How is the future of music to progress when the past is locked away. There is no future with no past. This is why modern music has really lost its back bone in the last 10 years. Thank god there are other countrys and millions of records out there to look back in time into. Thank the turtles they started all this bullshit. DE LA SOUL I'm sorry you had to go through that. This stops the creation of new music and expairimentation being built off of the works of previous artist. EXAMPLE beastie boys pauls boutique, the last record to be made before major sample law changes. FIRE that record could never be made ever in todays world. With lables hording there librarys and not putting any money out to produce quality projects there is limited quality music being made. This affected the making of full albums to just single or albums with tons of junk. That with the invention of the MP3 distroyed the music industry. Record companys money making moved. Plus why do they just keep rasing the price of music and and cds and making it easier to copy and rip it off. Lower the prices and kids will buy their own copys. 18 bucks a cd with 2 good songs on it I would be pissed if I where them. Kids are not rich and it cost 10 cents to manufacture. Music had heart. Now its being stabbed by a corprate pen. Support you local record stores they are a dying breed because of sarado and MP3's. People keep selling your collections I love picking them up for cheap!!!! idiots. Oh and here is a old one to SCREW tipper gore and the PMRC I hate those dam parental advisor stickers on my shit. Sorry for my rant this stuff gets under my skin. Pick on my spelling I'm dislexic thats why I buy records LOL natohhh !!!!!

― puffah, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 17:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

― s1ocki, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 17:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

I don't know of any huge places with tons of crates to dig through, those days are over around here.

Cosmos & Cosmos West on Queen near Bathurst (2 locations) are high-priced crate-digger stores. It's basically for money-making DJ's who don't mind paying Tokyo prices, but it's all orig. pressings of funk, soul, brazilian shit, etc. I don't even bother to go there anymore unless I'm broke and want to sell them some shit, but maybe it'll suit your needs.

I would also go by Play De Record on Yonge Street (or call them) and find out what happened to the left-overs from their vintage annex that closed up last christmas. They had tons of cool shit.

Also check out Kops on Queen West near University for vintage 45's, mostly soul + funk. Again, you'll be paying 6 or 7 bucks a 7-inch here.

You might also put up a craigslist posting saying you're looking to buy vinyl - a friend of mine does this regularly and has scored a couple of huge old reggae collections from old Jamaican dudes in the suburbs. Make sure you taslk to them of course, or you'll end up treking out to the middle of nowhere to look at a box of Lawrence Welk and Streistandt.

Good luck.

― fritz, Tuesday, 25 September 2007 17:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

4 years pass...

I posted this on the RIP thread, but it has to go here, too:

http://www.thestar.com/news/obituary/article/1261272--sam-the-record-man-founder-sam-sniderman-dies-at-92

I've written about Sam's here and there over the years--it popped up regularly when I wrote an online inventory of my record collection a few years ago. I started going there around '75, I'd guess. (When Sam opened his first store on College St. in the '40s, my grandfather ran a restaurant not too far west on College; my dad knew a woman named Rose who was his buyer or something.) I'm having trouble remembering specific records I bought there, but it and A&A's were the only Toronto stores I really knew as a teenager, so I bet Sam's accounted for at least half of my first 100 albums (the rest were from my hometown's local store). Positive I bought Dark Side of the Moon and (yikes) Tales of Mystery and Imagination there at one of their infamous Boxing Day sales, where people would line up around the block for $1.99 albums. Pretty sure I got both my two weird Velvet Underground imports there (#1 and #4). Also albums from their 99-cent annex, but I sure would like another shot at that--bet I passed over lots of good stuff. (The Lemon Pipers' Green Tamborine, John Fred's Agnes English, and a few Kingsmen LPs were among those that I did buy.) Once I lived in the city, and especially when I worked across the road for a competitor, I took the store for granted, and didn't frequent it as often as Records on Wheels or the Peddler or Cheapies. I remember that in the late '80s, maybe even into the '90s, you'd still see Sam out on the floor.

― clemenza, Monday, 24 September 2012 14:23 (8 months ago) Permalink

<3 <3 RIP Sam. You worked at Sunrise? I'm sorry. Sam's was amazing to me, there was no other store like it, in the late 90s they'd have stacks of Every Bowie Album! Every Clash Album! Everything! And it'd be $10! There was a year stretch where I'd buy a $10 CD after work without fail

― whiter than... this? (Ówen P.), Monday, 24 September 2012 14:35 (8 months ago) Permalink

Yes, Sunrise and (upstairs) Backtrax in '86 and '87. I'm actually amazed that Sunrise managed to outlast Sam's, A&A's, Tower, Records on Wheels...all of them. At the time, we were just an afterthought to Sam's and A&A's. I've been trying to remember when they sectioned off the north side of the store into Sam the Video Man--can't remember if that had already been done when I worked across the street. The last year or two they were open, after the video section had been shut down and everything else was rearranged, I couldn't figure out where anything was the few times I was in there. The last thing I bought may have been a couple of $5 Wailers CDs the month they closed.

― clemenza, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:12 (8 months ago) Permalink

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