C90: imogen heap, "hide & seek"

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might be a bit crass to fill two sides with just the one song so what are other songs like it? not sure anything could be quite so beautiful but I'm willing to listen!

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 9 December 2005 09:07 (twenty years ago)

"O Superman"?

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 December 2005 10:05 (twenty years ago)

yes now keep 'em coming

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 9 December 2005 10:27 (twenty years ago)

this song's ruined my life

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

mary margaret o'hara miss america album is not too far off. beautiful female voice. very unorthodox almost awkward way of singing. totally original. strong infectious groove. impossible not to fall in love with. great evocative lyrics. i wrote some more on it here.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

mary margaret o'hara's miss america album is not too far off. beautiful female voice. very unorthodox almost awkward way of singing. totally original. strong infectious groove. impossible not to fall in love with. great evocative lyrics. i wrote some more on it here.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 9 December 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

I have hung out on the edge of love

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 9 December 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

Works nicely next to "Anthems for a Seventeen Year-Old Girl" by Broken Social Scene.

Cheek0 (Cheek0), Friday, 9 December 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

And try "Goodnight" by The Beatles. The vocal melodies are similar.

Cheek0 (Cheek0), Friday, 9 December 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

Dubstar - "Not So Manic Now"

Sincerely, (Paul in Santa Cruz), Friday, 9 December 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

I am counting here

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 10 December 2005 00:09 (twenty years ago)

psyche!

: )

ta for the tips

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 10 December 2005 00:55 (twenty years ago)

Was thinking about this cozen. hard to come up with answers because "Hide & Seek" sorta triangulates something you know? Like, the connection b/w the robot and the romance is rarely done this plaintively, but when it is it's done in that winsome indie way which Imogen is too much er post-Alanis-post-Tori to be. It's not "Heart Beats", but nor is it The Postal Service. And when it's not winsome it's usually kinda distant - but this isn't e.g. "Happy Violentine" either.

So I went back and listened to not only "Hide & Seek" but Imogen's first album (which, sorry to report, just isn't as good as I thought it was 7 years ago, ouch the lyrics Imogen, throw out that diary! - though two b-sides still stand up, the DJ Shadow knock-off "Wireless" and the deliberately ugly "Leave Me To Love", and I guess I'll check for album track "Come Here Boy" out of loyalty) and brainstormed.

All I could come up with was two suggestions:

1) some New Buffalo, like the second half of "About Last Night" and "Just A Little Time". Neither of these songs go quite as Cher's "Believe" as they threaten to (which is a shame) and maybe they remain a bit too winsomely indie, but they're both lovely, and what they share with "Hide & Seek" is a vision of love failing in a high tech future (reproduced in the music in New Buffalo's case: on that first ep it's got that Avalanches woozy cracking vibe overlaying the evocations of tech - synths and vocoders - like yr watching an episode of The Jetsons on a damaged tape).

2) less formally similar but somehow closer, some Jane Siberry, like "The Lobby" and "The Taxi Ride", which is appropriate because Jane recorded her own Laurie Anderson homage (though "Mimi on the Beach" is not a suitable recommendation unfortunately). What these songs share with "Hide & Seek" is (simultaneously and respectively) a sense of choral multitudes and perfect starkness, and that sense of being love songs from the end of time, like the collective consciousness of the universe is painfully reconciling itself to an inevitable but long-avoided splitting in two. I highly recommend these Cozen if you haven't heard them already, they also share a certain something with The Blue Nile.

On this last point... in another thread Mitch (as Jermaine) complained about Pitchfork's treatment of "Hide & Seek", which was to celebrate how it stripped "O Superman" of its pretentiousness - as if the alterna-rock langue which Imogen has at her disposal is the only proper voice for emotive pop music. I agree with Mitch, not least because such a treatment ignores the way that "Hide & Seek" works by doing the very opposite and much more interesting thing, dragging this alterna-rock langue towards a place where it can understand "O Superman" - the sense in which "Hide & Seek" works is a sense which renders the details of its lyrics functionally irrelevant, cowering before the grandeur of its contours, its formal affectiveness.

We are confronted by this critical presumption hat the beauty of romance in the love song is in the stringing together of personalised details, the production of reality. I'm interested in how stuff like "Hide & Seek" (despite some of its lyrics) and Jane Siberry ballads and The Blue Nile present love as something very metaphysical and non-personal but no less deep, a sort of collective understanding of the collectively unknowable, that space where "O Superman" and a three-minute pop song are one and the same.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 13:08 (twenty years ago)

Ooh - maybe Sia's "Breathe"? Particularly the Ulrich Schnauss or Four Tet remixes?

sean gramophone (Sean M), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

[...] love songs from the end of time, like the collective consciousness of the universe is painfully reconciling itself to an inevitable but long-avoided splitting in two.

I'd just like to pick this out and leave it here, like an echo

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

Perhaps I'm missing the point, but you could easily sit this alongside, say, Jem or Beth Orton, just to be obvious. Many, many songs by Autour de Lucie, if you're not a francophobe ("Je reviens" to pick one) -- which project a simiar atmosphere despite being essentially traditional and guitar-based.

Mitya (mitya), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

Or Enya

hmmm (hmmm), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

i heard the new Enya single the other night and didn't hate it

rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

Check out Stina Nordenstam: "Little Star" for example.

Paul Eater (eater), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

... which is, I guess, what I'm going to have to do with the song: leave it alone and hanging, suspended in the net of its own echo

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

the breakdown in the middle of the Ewan Pearson mix of Feist's "Inside and out" - get that and loop it.

Jacob (Jacob), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 03:01 (twenty years ago)

Schneider TM, "The Light 3000"

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:42 (twenty years ago)

Actually, "Frogtoise" might be even better.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:47 (twenty years ago)

"Frogtoise" is the greatest ever tribute to AR Kane, and is far better than "The Light 3000" which people like mostly because it's a vaguely clever cover.

ghostxorz of olde, Friday, 16 December 2005 00:28 (twenty years ago)

Mouse on Mars - Presence

Hanne Hukkelberg - Ease (in C mix)

I'll try to remember to yousendit a live version of the former tomorrow. I'm getting a turn back you poxy fule type server overload message from the ysi site at the moment.

hmmm (hmmm), Thursday, 22 December 2005 20:47 (twenty years ago)

The last minute-and-a-half of Radiohead's "Trans-atlantic Drawl" has excellently spooky vocoder action - perhaps not the kind of mood you're after, though?

Oh, what the hell. Here it is anyway:
http://s62.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2919QXEMVOEP61A6OG06GJX46X

Philip Alderman (Phil A), Thursday, 22 December 2005 21:36 (twenty years ago)

Joni Mitchell's "Shadows and Light" fits in here somehow, I think.

Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Thursday, 22 December 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
the connection b/w the robot and the romance.....something very metaphysical and non-personal but no less deep, a sort of collective understanding of the collectively unknowable, that space where "O Superman" and a three-minute pop song are one and the same.

I have started using the name 'techmo' to fix what we appear to be skirting around on this thread.

[I haven't forgotten about the MoM YSI and will get it up here when my broadband is working again.]

hmmm (hmmm), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 18:08 (twenty years ago)

Also,

Lali Puna - 'Alienation' (from Faking the books)
Broadcast - 'You and me in time' (from Tender Buttons)
Efterklang - 'Collecting Sheilds' (from 'Tripper')
My Bloody Valentine - 'To Here knows when' (From 'Loveless' / Tremelo ep)

I too had wondered about the extent to which certain Radiohead tracks could fit on such a C90 (Packt like sardines..., everything in it's right place, idioteque). At times, they have a complimentary sound but it's a differently directed sadness that they express. Depends whether you want to wallow in society's misery as well as your own.

There's a bit of me that thinks you could get some Ivor Cutler on there as well but I'll need to do a bit of digging to find exactly the kind of thing I mean.

hmmm (hmmm), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 19:13 (twenty years ago)

Well, I have "Hide and Seek" against Stars "Calendar Girl" on a mix, but in terms of track-likenesses, I'd maybe better fit it in with Stars' "Sleep Tonight."
Or Robyn's "Robot Boy"? In terms of mostly isolated vocals.
Ehm, both of those are iffy, but suggestions, nonetheless.

mox twelve (Mox twleve), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 19:39 (twenty years ago)

Anything from ELO's Time.

Kidding. How about Hector Zazou's Songs from the Cold Seas, with various singers?

Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Thursday, 12 January 2006 07:30 (twenty years ago)

Mouse On Mars - Presence (live on the BBC)

hmmm (hmmm), Thursday, 19 January 2006 10:42 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

God, this song...fuck.

Tape Store, Sunday, 13 April 2008 20:47 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

i just saw some song that samples this pretty liberally?

just sayin, Wednesday, 18 November 2009 19:26 (sixteen years ago)

Yep, it was #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 last week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBI3lc18k8Q

matt2, Wednesday, 18 November 2009 20:22 (sixteen years ago)

i just saw some song that samples this pretty liberally?
jason derulo

Josh L, Wednesday, 18 November 2009 20:23 (sixteen years ago)

The Derulo track was used for a hip-hop dance routine during So You Think You Can Dance last night

Paul in Santa Cruz, Wednesday, 18 November 2009 20:23 (sixteen years ago)

btw no mention yet of the SNL parody that used this track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD9iJgFBxbE

Paul in Santa Cruz, Wednesday, 18 November 2009 20:36 (sixteen years ago)

master looping "just for now" live at some radio station:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25VGdNU3nrU

nicky lo-fi, Thursday, 19 November 2009 00:43 (sixteen years ago)

I didn't realize "Whatcha Say" sampled "Hide And Seek." I just thought they sounded similar.

billstevejim, Thursday, 19 November 2009 05:49 (sixteen years ago)

that derulo sampling is kind of both terrible and amusing enough to justify itself

Nhex, Thursday, 19 November 2009 06:07 (sixteen years ago)

four years pass...

God this song... sucks

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Monday, 10 March 2014 07:01 (twelve years ago)

no i like it

dyl, Monday, 10 March 2014 07:55 (twelve years ago)


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