SPIN Magazine called Green Day's Billie Joe Armstrong an "Innovator"

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So, walking to work this evening, I stopped into my local news agents to pick up some reading material. I picked up the latest issue of SPIN, which boldly promoted an article, "20 Greatest Innovators of the Past Twenty Years". There are three people on the cover associated with this article: Andre 2000 of OutKast, Anthony Kiedis of the Red Hot Chil Peppers and Billie Joe Armstrong of Green Day.


Excuse me.....INNOVATORS?

I honestly don't know dick enough about Hip Hop to tell you whether OutKast are innovators or not. I like some of their singles, but know precious little else about them. The Red Hot Chili Peppers were a fine band for a little while, but in the wake of bands like Gang of Four, one is hard pressed to call their fusion of rock and funk "innovative."

The thing that *REALLY* gets me, however, is Billie Joe Armstrong. I mean, for fuck's sake, I cannot think of a more derivative, less original band than Green Day. I'm not saying they suck -- but to call them innovators is just the WRONGEST of WRONGITY WRONG-O WRONGNORMOUS WRONGS ever WRONGED.

It makes me nauseous.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 15 October 2005 01:46 (twenty years ago)

I know! I know! Billie Joe Armstrong instead of Fred Durst? What kind of cracks were they smoking?

btw, who is GangGang4?

Gee, You Knit? (mookie wilson), Saturday, 15 October 2005 01:49 (twenty years ago)

Billie Joe and RHCP both innovated selling millions of records that sounded like earlier records that didn't sell anywhere near millions, which surely counts for something

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Saturday, 15 October 2005 01:51 (twenty years ago)

Alex, load up on guns.

Oh and hey, bring your friends!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 15 October 2005 01:57 (twenty years ago)

but green day are allegedly dangerous now that they are political. there is probably a cia file on them now and almost certainly there are secret agencies dilligently decoding their lyric sheets for important counter intelligence.

keyth (keyth), Saturday, 15 October 2005 02:43 (twenty years ago)

What is the case they make for him as an innovator in the article (or blurb)?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 15 October 2005 02:46 (twenty years ago)

Sole inventor of Top 40 bubblegum pop punk at a guess.

fandango (fandango), Saturday, 15 October 2005 02:50 (twenty years ago)

More influential than jesus.

fandango (fandango), Saturday, 15 October 2005 02:51 (twenty years ago)

Saviour of the black studded belt industry.

fandango (fandango), Saturday, 15 October 2005 02:51 (twenty years ago)

EYELINER!
EYELINER!
EYELINER!

disco violence (disco violence), Saturday, 15 October 2005 02:53 (twenty years ago)

almost certainly there are secret agencies dilligently decoding their lyric sheets for important counter intelligence

Wake me when Sep...oh, it ended.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 15 October 2005 03:18 (twenty years ago)

I couldn't find the main article on their website. But they have:

http://www.spin.com/spin20extra/2005/09/spin20_noel/ The Innovators: Noel Gallagher

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Throughout your career you've been very critical of your own work.
I think the word honest is what I'd use, not critical. I'm honest. I can see it for what it is. Sometimes I sit and write songs and record them and for the length of time that it takes to listen to the final mix, I think that it's fantastic. I suppose some of them don't stand the test of time.
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lyra (lyra), Saturday, 15 October 2005 03:34 (twenty years ago)

I'm pissed they chose Andre 2000 over Andre 3000

gear (gear), Saturday, 15 October 2005 04:50 (twenty years ago)

Oh. whoops. Whatever.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 15 October 2005 05:15 (twenty years ago)

"This Kurt thing has burdened me so much. In a lot of ways, I wish I just had a baby with him and didn't marry him. I could've gone my own way."

I was married to Kurt and he had a melodic sense. He also played left-handed and I never really could copy anything that he did. But I could copy things that Billy did, and Billy had done Siamese Dream, which is a lot of songs about me, and I couldn't listen to Siamese Dream at home because my husband would get weird and freaky and jealous about Billy. I might start playing with Erik [Erlandson] again, I'm playing with Patty [Schemel]. I don't think I'll play with Melissa [Auf Der Maur] again just because she crossed over to the [Dave] Grohl side, and you're either on my side or the Grohl side.

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The one weird thing [about recording Live Through This] is that I had to blow my nose all the time when I sang. It must have been like mucus buildup from smoking or something. The only reason I know about it is I got this girl Dana [Kletter] to do the high vocals on it, and she went around and told this awful story about how there were bloody handkerchiefs -- which isn't true. I mean, I'm sure there were handkerchiefs.

The [Live Through This] songs are so easy. People did not think I could play because of Pretty on the Inside and it was like, "Fuck you, I can play. I was just posing as the angriest girl in the world, and it worked, and now none of you think I can fucking play."

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I actually played yesterday on Patti LaBelle's cover record. I played with Mary J. Blige and Babyface and Elton John -- this is how fucking mainstream I am -- and I played "I'll Stand by You."

Bon Jovi came into rehearsal one time and all he wanted to talk about was movies, and I couldn't give a shit. But he did teach me "Livin on a Prayer," and I wanna tell you, if you [disassemble] that song, it's a fucking a good song. Not in an ironic way! It's really good, really nice. Of course he thought I was making fun of him, because I'm so cool.

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I think I might actually do this thing that Eminem does, I might do a radio show -- not like a Howard [Stern] radio show where I talk, [but] a radio show where I play old Australian garage and Nuggets and the shit that I really like. And that's what happened when I went to Celebrity Skin. I was like, "The shit that I really like is Fleetwood Mac, old garage. That's what I like, that's what I want to pay homage to." Live Through This is formless, has no information except these chords I learned from Billy and certain things I learned from Kurt -- really boring three chords and make them fucking magical. And I had a godhead of a guitar player who is Erik, and Erik is the real tragedy of Hole. The guy built a cathedral to fantastic guitar playing. And he should really get credit for it.

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I love Elton. Elton is so good to me. I once sang "Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Me" at the Old Vic Theatre in London, and I got a standing ovation from the Queen. And I wore his duck suit and then I went up on his piano and sang "The Bitch Is Back," which isn't even a great song. And my mascara's a little runny. When I looked inside of my file for the district attorney, that's the first picture you see because my mascara is running! And I'm like, "Context!" I just sang one of the number one requested songs of all time, got a standing ovation from the Queen and I'm smoking cigars -- but my mascara's running.

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One of the reasons I hate Dave so much is he went on Howard Stern and he said, "I like 'Teenage Whore' because I know she wrote it." That stupid motherfucker. He knows exactly what I wrote -- he knows exactly the input I had on his fucking's band's third record -- and that piece of shit goes on Howard Stern and goes, "I know she wrote 'Teenage Whore.'"

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This Kurt thing has burdened me so much. In a lot of ways, I wish I just had a baby with him and didn't marry him. I could've gone my own way.

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I think if you commit suicide -- the minute it happens you're like, "What the fuck did I just do?" That's what's stopped me over the years.

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I'm the kind of girl you wanna fuck, but then you don't want to tell your friends.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 15 October 2005 05:22 (twenty years ago)

Bon Jovi came into rehearsal one time and all he wanted to talk about was movies, and I couldn't give a shit. But he did teach me "Livin on a Prayer," and I wanna tell you, if you [disassemble] that song, it's a fucking a good song. Not in an ironic way! It's really good, really nice. Of course he thought I was making fun of him, because I'm so cool.

roffle

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 15 October 2005 05:24 (twenty years ago)

seven months pass...
ok.. green day rocks.. ok? i know people r entitled to their own opinions but... you dont have to rumor crap around and say, "oh they got a cia file," when they might not... they r a band many of many of bands wrote way much things.. at least they dont put subliminal messages in their songs like let's say....(nthro ericmaa) used to put in their ads.. i love this country.. but it isn't the best thing they could have done.

try to guess my name.. whatever, Sunday, 28 May 2006 23:17 (twenty years ago)

Your name is Chrissy.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 28 May 2006 23:17 (twenty years ago)

i miss alex's nausea.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 28 May 2006 23:31 (twenty years ago)

Well, you're right about one thing: they are a band many of many of bands wrote way much things.

Steve Goldberg (Steve Goldberg), Monday, 29 May 2006 01:46 (twenty years ago)

rhcp in the wake of gang of four? how about the wake of funkadelic?

and green day were in the wake of the beatles and operation ivy.

I like Andre, but he cops enough from Prince where he needs a reciept for his family jewels.

Uncle Tom (Uncle Tom), Monday, 29 May 2006 06:23 (twenty years ago)

Your the best!I worship you!

Nana, Friday, 2 June 2006 00:24 (twenty years ago)


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