is hipster interest in grime on the wane?

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are they done with it yet?
the new stylus review of RTR2 seems to think its done and dusted and the genre is on its death bed
im waiting for pitchfork to pronounce it boring and dead and for vice to find something else to like in a smart-arse vaguely ironic fashion
or am i wrong and just being mean to hipsters?

― hipsterkiller, Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

hahahahahahahahaha.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)

Hipster interest in lime is up so it all balances out.

― Hip Hip Hoorayster, Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

theres been barely any mention of RTR2 on ILM... the hipsters must be tiring of it...

― hipsterkiller, Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

Cuz ILM is so hip?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

hipsterkiller

Second only to ninja in Fortune's Most Dangerous Professions 2005.

― Confounded (Confounded), Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

I think the reason grime doesn't get talked about on ILM that much is that almost all the serious grime headz went to dissensus and the people who are left still like grime, but don't post much period. For the record RTR2 is pretty good, not great and if a domestic version is released I will buy it in a second. The Statik album on the other hand is fantastic and as soon as I can find an excuse to overpay for shipping from Rhythm Division I will buy it.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

my personal interest has waned, but that's mostly due to waking up at some point last spring and realizing it (absolute, 100%) now has nothing to do with dance music (and as rap it's pretty friggin spotty).

― strng hlkngtn (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

"Feeling sharp pains in my left tit"

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

That's totally not a hipster friendly song.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

come on, ILM *IS* pretty damn hip
i come here for one thing
ho ho

― hipsterkiller, Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

...

― gear (gear), Thursday, 29 September 2005 15:37 (twenty years ago)

Hipsters don't have time for grime.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 29 September 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

when did hipster interest in grime ever wax? is a much better question.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 September 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

Exactly.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 29 September 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

what about hipster interest in disdaining american grime fans? wax or wane?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 29 September 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

"is hipster interest in grime on the wang?"

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 29 September 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

That "feeling sharp pains in my left tit" line is really funny, but in a kind of pitiful way.

also "a nice glass of brandy" (or whatever it is)

I don't really give a shit about the topic title question though, sorry.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 29 September 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

what about hipster interest in disdaining american grime fans? wax or wane?

as i'm sitting near many stacks of unsold dizzee and wiley cds and lps, i'd have to say disdain is permanently on the wax here. may vary by proximity though.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 September 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

haha!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 29 September 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

wot iz diz bizness all about then?

you trifling NYC hipSTARs can't feel Grime for what it really iz, this thread is a right Elliot Ness. all youz iz getting on my West Ham Reserves, you cannae realyze tha pure Grime equalz SONIC MURDRA.

shut ya mouf you becunted fools

― PRANCEHALL, Thursday, 29 September 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

oh adam you're so cute when you're logged out.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 September 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)

shut it geezer

― PRANCEHALL, Thursday, 29 September 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)

The neo-grime revival is just around the corner!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 29 September 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)

I predict it will come out of Berlin.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 29 September 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

oh adam you're so cute when you're logged out.

That's not me, dude. I'm too cute NOT to post as myself.

― 100% Nice (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 September 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

Also I no longer have anything to say on this particular subject and am tired of stating the obvious.

― 100% Nice (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 September 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

My RTR2 review didn't say that grime was dead it said that the bubble of grime being a UK analogy to hip-hop and the idea that it was going to cross over as POP was dead. (And one of the things that killed that idea was the fact that they were unable to get AMAZING records into shops where people could actually buy them rather than the music.) That's not the same. I mean, RTR2 would've been improved if it got rid of the UK hip-hop and featured solely grime (or put one of the Sway tracks I like on it, that'ns weak.)

Even folks on Dissensus itself were pretty reasonable about the review and sorta, kinda agreed a bit. (They're all getting into making a greatest hits of grime over there so check that thread if y're looking for stuff to d/l.)

And I'm not a hipster bcz they're an American thing and I'm English. I don't know what the UK equivalent is but I'm not one.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 29 September 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

Also, why is everyone starting logged out threads recently to say even the mildest things?

Scared of Grimey Simey probs.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 29 September 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

http://www.dinosaur.org/LWPosterDino.jpg

― 100% Nice (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 September 2005 17:13 (twenty years ago)

Actually - seeing as we are now having this discussion, RTR2 isn't amazing but it is kind of a grower. I went from liking 2 or 3 tracks to about half of it.

― 100% Nice (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 September 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

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― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 29 September 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

"my personal interest has waned, but that's mostly due to waking up at some point last spring and realizing it (absolute, 100%) now has nothing to do with dance music"

nothing? thats a bit OTT. it has a fair amount to do with it. not as much make out, but it is in the UK dance lineage, as much as its a break from it.

"(and as rap it's pretty friggin spotty)."

you mean most of the MCs are kinda shit? well, yeah, in a way. theyre trying to be proper rappers though, most of them, which doesnt neces suit them well.

― hipsterkiller, Thursday, 29 September 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

basically i just think that the remaining garage in grime is vestigial at best, like a caveman with a tail or something.

― strng hlkngtn (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 29 September 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

Bruza has a funny voice!

Is he grime?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 29 September 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

i'd prefer not to count myself as a hipster, but personally, i'm sort of exhausted with it - not living anywhere near the uk, listening to grime means hours scouring slsk rooms (finding exactly seven shared files), fast-fwding through 1xtra streams on crappy realaudio dialup, browsing any number of dodgy message boards and endless blog-hopping. lately, real life's been far too busy to put in that kind of energy, but it's not just my lethargy to blame, i don't think: besides grime quite obviously not wanting me to listen to it (fair enough), grime no longer sounds like it's trading in the currency of pop (present or future), it sounds comfortably insular, and a little stuck. the shock of the new has settled into 1. dubstep, 2. wiley's gypsy squeal, 3. the mini-'singalong' genre of overly fussy 'classical' interpolations and 4.thin-sounding rap. and when it aims for pop bigheartedness, we get "heartache".

but hey, 'i stopped paying attention, then it got boring' is a pretty obvious trajectory for disappointment with anything, so i'd be happy to be proved wrong.

― jermaine (jnoble), Thursday, 29 September 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

"the remaining garage in grime is vestigial at best"

true, i suppose, it is there in various ways, same for drum n bass, but i kinda think too much has been made of the influence from old genres, despite mcs and artists coming from there. you can barely hear it most of the time unless you really look hard and examine the minutae. theyre working according to a whole new paradigm now (regardless of what blogger types and the dissensus lot believe!)

― hipsterkiller, Thursday, 29 September 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

Doesn't it maybe have something to do with access?

I have yet to see a "Grime" or associative section in a single record store in the states. My local Amoeba has a "Garage/2 Step" card with a few bad Ministry of Sound comps and maybe a used So Solid CD. I think filing "Run The Road" when it came out was a big challenge for them. Dizzee, etc., is buried in the general Hip-Hop section....

― jsoulja (jsoulja), Thursday, 29 September 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

well, yeah, that's my point. and the axis they're working from leaves me cold.

xpost.

― strng hlkngtn (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 29 September 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

well its a modern hip hop axis, really isnt it? you can blab on and on about how its in the HARDCORE CONTINUUM etc etc and i can see how you can make that connection but i think the real influences are modern ones. its basically new musics being channeled and reworked to make something unique, i.e. hip hop and dancehall. if you dont like how those genres sound today (and a fair amount of people that previously liked them dont like how they are today) i can see why it would leave you cold.

i dont know how much impact old scenes/genres/tunes from a decade back still have an effect on these guys today. i cant imagine it being all that much. half the MCs make jokes about garage, they never liked it, and they dont seem to care that much about drum n bass either.

― hipsterkiller, Thursday, 29 September 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

"lately, real life's been far too busy to put in that kind of energy"

you realize that every activity listed requires you to sit in a chair and move a mouse no more than six inches in any direction, right? oh, and click said mouse, sometimes twice in rapid succession. forgot about that part.

― ryannyc (ryannyc), Thursday, 29 September 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

Why waste your time with pedantic nitpicking? He obviously doesnt have time, which is entirely understandable. Fuck if I have time to hunt down grime and I dont even have a job right now.*

*or broadband.

― deej.., Thursday, 29 September 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

okay, pedant, substitute 'time' for 'energy'.

xpost - yeah!

― jermaine (jnoble), Thursday, 29 September 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

haha yeah dude, maybe he meant he didnt have time to be sitting around on his computer all day. (my lord!)

― strng hlkngtn (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 29 September 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)

I download grime mp3s, then use my home vinyl burner to turn them into 78s, then I hand silkscreen covers for them individually. It's hard work, but it's worth it in the end. People are so lazy nowadays.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 29 September 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)

vinyl burner?

you mean a lathe you silly twat.

― PRANCEHALL, Thursday, 29 September 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

damn, i was lying! you see right through my airs!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 29 September 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

if i had a normal fm radio, and i could listen to cameos show more regularly, i would hear more grime. instead i wait for people to upload sets to their blogs then download them, then i take a couple of days off work to work my way through them each week

― okok, Thursday, 29 September 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

grime is mostly at 130bpms - isnt that enough garage influence? ill grant you its often not as exciting when it goes all slow but you cant have everything

― blahblahbleughblech, Thursday, 29 September 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

in response to strongo, couldnt you say grime has as much to do with dance as dance music made for 'listening' does?

― okok, Thursday, 29 September 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

why would even the people who love grime bother posting about it on ilm? the place is 90% full of people who like crap indie now. i mostly talk about grime with people i know in real life these days. i'm not v connected with it right now but then i was never one to immerse myself in it (too much of a dilettante) and i have street anthems vol 2 which is frankly more genius on one cd this year than most other genres produce in a decade.

rtr2 is ok, some fantastic songs, some not-so-fantastic songs, i really like doctor who i'd never heard of before.

i don't think the 'scene' has much to worry about.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 29 September 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

i dont know many people in real life who know much grime, let alone love the stuff. even music industry people i know dont really seem to like it much. its bizarre. i think we live in conservative times. its a strange era for new, different music. not saying grime is ALL brilliant, but theres enough of it that should have shifted more or at least captured more peoples attentions. street anthems 2 is alright, but logan's rwd mixtape is the one. sheer brilliance, that one. he really IS the best at what he does (well more or less).

― okok, Thursday, 29 September 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

"girls, girls they love N.A.S.T.Y." (now playing)

― Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 29 September 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

paul otm, that hook is a killer

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Thursday, 29 September 2005 21:21 (twenty years ago)

takes me back to the days when first heard "Sentimental Things (Oh No!)"

― Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 29 September 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

PRANCEHALL IS A PRAT

― FASSEHALL, Friday, 30 September 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

you bloody ungrateful geezer, it's becuz of wankers like you messing up me Google search ranking that I'm finna have to change the blog name to MINCEHALL.

― PRANCEHALL, Friday, 30 September 2005 14:55 (twenty years ago)

It will be nice when Grime goes out of style, so hipsters like me can stop pretending to like it.

When hipsters stop listening to Grime, it will go away.

― recovering optimist (Royal Bed Bouncer), Friday, 30 September 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...

im new to ilm but face it, grime is shit
all you critics making excuses for it with this and that need to wake up and realise for every one good tune/artist/rapper/producer, theres a 4390539 others that are BARE SHIT
you can talk about it being the uks real hip hop blah blah and that its made by REAL working class black kids but so what - real working class black kids make hip hop in the us and that shit fucking blows right now
grime is STILL rave music, but it has no raves cos people dont like the music
its not studio music
back to the lab people
what a false dawn
grime was better before it became 'grime the genre'
well actually no, it was still pretty rubbish when mcs thought they would be great rappers and be proper 'artists'
stick to being the compere and MCs at raves is my advice to 90% of grime artists
stop making records
theyre fucking horrible
then again, some of the beats are fucking horrendous as well - dunno what people are thinking, i swear

― troll, Monday, 5 December 2005 13:43 (twenty years ago)

whatever

― Yawn (Wintermute), Monday, 5 December 2005 13:48 (twenty years ago)

troll-on-troll haet

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 5 December 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

OTM

― GET EQUIPPED WITH BUBBLE LEAD (ex machina), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

hipster interest in everything is on the wane.

― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 5 December 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

we might as well vote in the Nazis now and have done with it.

― Simon Jartvik (special guest stars mark bronson), Thursday, 15 January 2009 16:45 (seventeen years ago)

I'M LIVING AT TWENTY-TWO HEARTACHE AVENUE

― CHAKI Musician (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Thursday, 15 January 2009 16:47 (seventeen years ago)

This whole revive thing is just a batsignal for ILX's poster of 2005 'hipsterkiller' isn't it

― Pescetarian Reich (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 15 January 2009 16:54 (seventeen years ago)

is hipster interest in grime on the wang?

― and what, Thursday, 15 January 2009 18:51 (seventeen years ago)

"is hipster interest in grime on the wang?"

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, September 29, 2005 4:11 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

― Pescetarian Reich (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 15 January 2009 19:16 (seventeen years ago)

if there's a dick joke somewhere, dan has reached it first

― we can be slaves, or we can be..lichens! (latebloomer), Thursday, 15 January 2009 19:25 (seventeen years ago)

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