and the orchestral cacophony actually loses something when you can hear what the players are actually doing - it works better as a slab of noise.
George Martin said that the string players tended to follow one another ("like sheep," I believe is how he characterized them), while horn players and woodwinds had a much more independent approach to the glissandi. And you can hear the string players trying to play in tempo -- one 4/4 bar of eighth notes on one note, the next 4/4 bar on a higher note, etc.
They shoulda drafted in Penderecki to write out a score for that part.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 15:09 (six years ago) link
Oh, just give it to Radiohead to remix then!
― Mark G, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 15:15 (six years ago) link
I dunno. You people..
― Mark G, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 15:16 (six years ago) link
stock aitken waterman remix or gtfo
― heck i've even been an 'oyster pirate' (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 15:28 (six years ago) link
will.i.am.'s nuanced work on the "girl is mine" remix suggests he might be just "the man" for this job... a real ear for mccartney's sensibility i think
― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 15:48 (six years ago) link
I feel that MatthewK is OTM regarding Giles Martin. I, too, get the feeling that he's only there because of his name and because he's the son of George Martin rather than for his ability. I wouldn't like to hear a Godrich mix of this LP, though.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:02 (six years ago) link
lol i see it already got quoted here but if you missed it here is the worst hot take on this album ever written:
http://www.salon.com/2017/05/29/against-sgt-pepper-the-beatles-classic-made-pop-seem-male-nerdy-and-important-and-that-wasnt-a-good-thing/
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:21 (six years ago) link
lol i came here to post that. the funniest part is when she claims grunge was heralded for wiping out girl pop like Madonna and Mariah Carey. they did fine in the 90s! the only thing grunge completely decimated was the most misogynistic strain of rock music in history - hair metal.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:30 (six years ago) link
In an interview on NPR Giles Martin said they used the original compressors. Abbey Road RS124s I guess? There's no sidechain input for an EQ AFAIK, but if they had enough they could split frequency bands between them.
― Noel Emits, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:34 (six years ago) link
NPR interview with Giles Martin.
https://n.pr/2qpIdqW
― Noel Emits, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 17:37 (six years ago) link
the only thing grunge completely decimated was the most misogynistic strain of rock music in history - hair metal.― flappy bird, Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:30 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― flappy bird, Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:30 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
WRONG. Def Leppard and Bon Jovi continued to do well during and after grunge. The likes of Warrant, Winger and Poison were on their way out anyway.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 19:21 (six years ago) link
(because they weren't very good to begin with)
I worked on perhaps the last mag to still get excited by Warrant, Winger and Poison a few years back and it was amazing how they all held grudges against Nirvana and grunge for ending their careers and killing off their genre, even if they actually split first time round in 88 or whatever. Like, grunge did a good job of making this stuff seem uncool, the "The emperor's naked!" it needed or something, but what killed off that scene was cocaine overuse, cynicism, a simple idea worn too thin and hiring Diane Warren to write indentikit ballads*.
(* I actually like Diane Warren ballads but you get what I mean)
― Who's puttin' sponge in the zings I once zung (stevie), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 19:31 (six years ago) link
guys this has gone on long enough
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 19:31 (six years ago) link
But yeah, that whole Salon piece is mostly a steaming pile apart from this bit...
It’s no “Dare” by Human League, that’s for sure.
...which is OTM.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 19:32 (six years ago) link
oh wait we're literally discussing the same article on two different threads? sorry got confused there
xp
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 19:33 (six years ago) link
It's just that momentous and thought-provoking.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 19:36 (six years ago) link
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, May 30, 2017 2:21 PM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Def Leppard went 3X with Adrenalize but that's coming way down off the last one, then Slang was just gold
Bon Jovi did better cuz they were only partially dependent on the metal crowd they had a classic rock/Springsteen/Billy Joel appeal
I was in HS and early college when grunge hit and me and tons of my friends basically all stopped listening to hair metal w/the exception of GnR if that counts and transferred over to grunge/alternative
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 19:41 (six years ago) link
man check out all the hot grunge action on these charts, no bubblegum pop here nope
http://www.billboard.com/archive/charts/1993/hot-100
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 19:51 (six years ago) link
or herehttp://www.billboard.com/archive/charts/1992/hot-100
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 19:52 (six years ago) link
Peabo Bryson was the bridge between Hair Metal and Grunge
― salthigh, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 19:57 (six years ago) link
is the Mono mix in the box set any different from the mastering of the mono mix that they put out in 2009?
― akm, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 20:00 (six years ago) link
xxxpost:
By the time that Slang came out, Cobain was long gone and grunge was in its final stages.
Leppard's greatest hits LP, Vault, was a Top 5 record in the UK, and 'When Love and Hate Collide' was a big hit, peaking at #2. This was in 1995, a year after Cobain died and four years after Nirvana supposedly (in flappy bird's words) "completely decimated" them.
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 20:01 (six years ago) link
no one remembers that song
yr british right? i'm not speaking abt grunge to you
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 20:02 (six years ago) link
Haha
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 20:05 (six years ago) link
I remember it.
...and why? Because the US was dumb enough to buy truckloads of Bush records and we weren't? ;)
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 20:10 (six years ago) link
yr british right? i'm not speaking abt grunge to younew board descrip
― tylerw, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 20:21 (six years ago) link
I personally thought we Brits were OTM by not buying millions of copies of Ten ...
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 20:36 (six years ago) link
very much so
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 20:45 (six years ago) link
Brits had p good taste in grunge and grunge-era American rock iirc - Nirvana, Mudhoney, Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 20:46 (six years ago) link
Soundgarden's Superunknown and Down On The Upside were both Top 10 LP's here!
― The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 20:52 (six years ago) link
And here I thought I could turn this place into the Steve Hoffman Forums - pearls before swine, I tell ya.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 23:31 (six years ago) link
Re-watching the 1987 tv documentary It Was Twenty Years Ago Today, and man, it really contextualizes Pepper like nothing else -- certainly, nothing published about the 50th anniversary -- has been able to do. Regardless of one's feelings about the music, this would be my go-to for anyone asking what the big deal was. Allen Ginsberg, Abbie Hoffman, David Crosby, Peter Fonda, a Dutch anarchist, a couple of draft-dodgers, Barry Miles, some California commune-dwellers...they're all here!
(most of it is in youtube in chunks)
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 23:42 (six years ago) link
Whoops, I was wrong. Crosby's not in it. But Ed Sanders is.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 31 May 2017 00:40 (six years ago) link
sorry to break up all your grunge talk but could someone tell me if the mono mix and master is the same or no?
guess I'll listen to my pirated copy and decide for myself
― akm, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 00:48 (six years ago) link
It's a new transfer, I believe. Same original master as the mono reissues.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Wednesday, 31 May 2017 00:52 (six years ago) link
Can you hear Paul go, "Thank you, George & Amanda!" at the end of the reprise? That's all I care about.
― pplains, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 02:48 (six years ago) link
The first half of the pings at the end of "Strawberry Fields" on this "Stereo Mix 2015" thing are inaudible. And some of John's gibberish during the scary outro sounds very different. It's unsettling having those familiar elements changed or removed.
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 03:57 (six years ago) link
xp There's some yelling (Paul I guess, panned to the right) at the end of Reprise that I've never heard before.
When they do the 55th anniversary remix, they should layer the "sugarplum fairy" count off above the outro of Reprise and crank it louder than everything else on the album.
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 04:06 (six years ago) link
john's backing vox on getting better are so funny
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 05:18 (six years ago) link
Did anyone else have childhood nightmares about the last 30 seconds of Strawberry Fields?
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 05:35 (six years ago) link
There's two 'Cranberry Sauce's
― Mark G, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 06:39 (six years ago) link
Oh, and the guitar tweak noise right at the beginning of "Good Morning" isn't 'like' the original mono...
― Mark G, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 06:40 (six years ago) link
I listened to the mono Pepper mix for the first time yesterday. kinda interesting. in general the bass just seems way more prominent. otoh this makes certain things rock harder, esp the reprise.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 17:18 (six years ago) link
listened to this mono master, not different to my ears from the 2009 one, but still good. I was a bit high and listened to it in bed while drifting off to sleep.
― akm, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 17:39 (six years ago) link
it's still weird to me that the mono mix is considered the 'approved' one because the beatles supervised it. some things are just better in the stereo mix; like the good morning clucks into the guitar squeal. they really spent more time on this splice on the mono than on the stereo? because it sounds very natural in the stereo mix and sloppy in the mono
― akm, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 17:40 (six years ago) link
yeah I definitely noticed that. for a record I know so well it was the obvious changes that stood out and almost all of those had to do with tape editing - the cluck/guitar squeal, the placement of audience sounds, the vocal effect on Lucy.
but yeah idk if it's really "better"
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 17:42 (six years ago) link
They did.
Because it sounds like an additional sqawk.
They ran the tape slow for a fraction of a second, then sped it up to normal. On purpose.
They didn't do that on the original stereo, the new stereo, I don't know the new mono.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 17:43 (six years ago) link
Xpost, obv,
― Mark G, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 17:44 (six years ago) link
new mono is the same as old mono; it's not a mono remix, it's just a remaster
― akm, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 18:00 (six years ago) link