I have had it up to here waiting for the Beatles catalogue to be remastered

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What's the hold up? Does anybody have any information?

fizzcaraldo (Justin M), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 22:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

up to where?

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 22:11 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I still listen to old LPs. Are the currently in print CD versions that horrible (and, if so, why not just buy them on vinyl)?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 22:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

it's paul's fault. bless him.

but yeah you're right it takes the fckng p-ss doesn't it?

latest word is that magical mystery tour is coming out on dvd with all sorts of extra stuff. as if the actual movie isn't like 1 big 'extra' already.


piscesboy, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 22:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"it's paul's fault"

What isn't, really?

OK, why is it Paul's fault?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 22:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

well i mean it must be paul/ EMI's dithering and arsing around that's to blame, the other fabs are either
a) dead or b) couldnt *really* care less.

maybe it's a question of who's up to the job, george martin sure as heck isn't. god don't let them get ELO=guy in again.

meanwhile, this ere beatles 10-dvd anthology unofficial bootleg edition can be yours for $150 :

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Original-BEATLES-Anthology-Directors-Cut-Real-10-DVDs_W0QQitemZ6430061859QQcategoryZ617QQssPageNameZWD2VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

must say i'm tempted

piscesboy, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 23:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Well, there was that first-five-American-Beatles-albums-before-the-band-demanded-UK-US-consistency-in-the-tracklistings box set which was some sort of start...although the purist in me rather just have proper remasters/issues of the original British albums/track listings w/ the surrounding singles as bonus tracks.

That said, Macca, Ono, the Harrison family, and Da Ringosta can take their time settling this. I plan to finally digitize and sell off the CDs while I can get 'em for at least $4+ each back.

donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 23:15 (eleven years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...
Looks like it's coming:

http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,70658-0.html?tw=rss.index

Brakhage (brakhage), Thursday, 13 April 2006 17:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Vague but sort of promising, I guess. The catalog does need CD remastering, badly, as the in-print CDs (except Let It Be Naked, and maybe that Yellow Submarine "songtrack" from a few years ago?) are all from that late-80s batch of early-generation CDs that gave CDs such a bad name. Mind you, I do think it's a wasted opportunity if they don't take the chance to delete Past Masters and Anthology, and just put all the singles and bonus stuff on second discs packed with the remasters...

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"I think it would be wrong to offer downloads of the old masters when I am making new masters," he said in a written statement submitted to the High Court in London earlier this month.

But it's not wrong to continue to sell them on cd?

Agree re Past Masters/Anthology but they're such cash cows that they're not going to do it.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

god remember the whole "anthology" phenomenon? those were awful.

amateurist0, Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I like the Past Masters CDs. Don't like the idea of Beatle albums being treated as mere collections of electronic data stuffed onto a compact disc. The problem, of course, is that CDs are too expensive. (Solution: buy old LPs.)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I kind of like the anthologies sets, too, especially the first one.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, the anthologies are great. Second one for me, though.

everything, Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:34 (eleven years ago) Permalink

A good thing about the "anthologies" is they are a good depository for the alternate mixes/takes etc., which--let's be realistic here--most people really don't want to hear (or have piggy-backed onto pricey new editions).

Chairman Doinel (Charles McCain), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

George isn't around to veto the inclusion of 'Carnival of Light' this time round.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

there is no reason to put the singles and alternate takes on the albums. if they just follow the capitol box model and do mono and stereo mixes of the albums (with better packaging of course) that will suffice.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I vote for Badmotorscooter.

QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Thursday, 13 April 2006 19:36 (eleven years ago) Permalink

How in the hell...Am I wasted?

Ah yes, the Beatles. I say buy the albums.

QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Thursday, 13 April 2006 19:37 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The Past Masters comps on their own are fine - I think I'd rather listen to the first one than anything up to Revolver at least. If they are to re-issue the lot, The White Album is going to need a box set all to itself.

Lotta Continua (Damian), Thursday, 13 April 2006 20:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I'm sure Paul will get it out all again eventually so he can ramp the price up to another ridiculous extreme. And turn himself up in the remastering process.

It would be nice if they released the red and blue anthologies so that they were in modern slimline 2CD cases rather than the FUCKING MASSIVE and HORRIBLE ones that they are in now.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 13 April 2006 21:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

And in the case of the Red album, compiled on to a single, less overpriced, CD - the total running time of the 2CD set is just over 60mins. The asking price of £20-£30 is a piss take.

Michael Lambert (Michael Lambert), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

which--let's be realistic here--most people really don't want to hear (or have piggy-backed onto pricey new editions)

Are the people not interested in paying for pricey new editions of things really the target market for remastered versions of CDs that are available in droves in used CD stores the world over?

Seriously, I don't see what's so much better (and less cash-cow-ish) about retaining Past Masters and Anthology. OK, so it's kind of cool to have all the singles in one place, but it also robs them of context AND presents a somewhat confusing picture for buyers, who can't figure out which album it is that has "I Want To Hold Your Hand" on it. The PM sets are also really oddly-balanced, anyway - not quite a greatest hits, not quite an odds-and-sods. The Anthologies are just plain obnoxious, especially the first one with all the talky-talky bits.

I guess I'm just coming from a perspective where, if they just remaster the CDs I'll take a pass because I have the LPs already. But if they sweeten the deal I just might think it over, at least for a couple, assuming they went ahead and added more outtake/live stuff. Granted, they would still be kind of weirdly-sequenced albums with one or two singles at the front followed by a bunch of obscurities.... okay, maybe keep Past Masters after all. But I REALLY think it makes more sense to get the unreleased and live material wedded on to the appropriate albums - if nothing else, it means getting MORE of it, right?

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"turn himself up in the remastering process"

What is an example where he has ever done this?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Firstly, as any fule kno, Beatles CDs are not very common 2nd hand, except for the Anthologies and the BBC thing.

Secondly, Paul has little need to turn himself up anyway. He took a lot of care, recording his bass lines on a single track and spent ages getting the sound right. Why not? It's his friggin songs for fuxake!

everything, Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink

wow I had no idea the Anthologies were so hated. I only have the 2nd and 3rd ones and think they're fantastic - where else would I hear this stuff? Surely its the highest quality source for "What's the New Mary Jane" or "You Know My Name Look Up the Number" and a host of other rarities.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:27 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I don't understand it either. Maybe it's just too much Beatles for some people? I've only got a couple of tiny quibbles with them and it's usually just those times when it gets a bit self-indulgent, like those different version of the Fool On The Hill. Paul is obviously so proud of them but I just can't take it.

everything, Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

ppl just like to complain about the beatles, i guess.

anthology 2 is the best, what with the stoned cracking-up version of and your bird can sing and the gorgeous demos of strawberry fields. 3 is good for the white album stuff, and 1 is probably the only time any americans (me included) will ever hear any morecambe and wise.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"as any fule kno, Beatles CDs are not very common 2nd hand, except for the Anthologies and the BBC thing."

Well, they are getting slightly more plentiful. In fact, I got most of my collection used. But, then again, I've been lucky. The worst thing about used Beatle cds is that stores priced higher than average (i.e. in the US 10-12 dollars vs. 7-9). Shopping around helps, and the prices have leveled off (and no doubt will continue)

I will concur regarding the Anthologies and the BBC, but--to cite my earlier post--alot of the people who bought them probably realized that they didn't listen to them as much as the regular LPs.

Chairman Doinel (Charles McCain), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The live stuff at the end of disc 1 and the beginning of disc 2 of Anthology 1 is really cool.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:41 (eleven years ago) Permalink

it's paul's fault. bless him.

Neil Aspinall is probably the one to blame.

Anyway, seems like some good news is finally coming up.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 13 April 2006 22:59 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Man, I'm not hating on any of the contents of the Anthologies (aside from, again, the talky stuff on Anth1) - I LOVE the music on those discs, the glimpses into the recording studio, etc. And when I was 16 me and my Beatle buddy developed a substantial secret language out of the miscellaneous bits of studio chatter. "Sugar plum fairy, sugar plum fairy..."

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 13 April 2006 23:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Vague but sort of promising, I guess. The catalog does need CD remastering, badly, as the in-print CDs (except Let It Be Naked, and maybe that Yellow Submarine "songtrack" from a few years ago?) are all from that late-80s batch of early-generation CDs that gave CDs such a bad name.

While I agree that they need remastering, I don't neccessarily agree with your version of what they sounded like. The first four, sure, but the rest, particularly from "Sgt. Pepper" onwards, used state of the art remastering technology at the time, and sounded really impressive back then.

Only this is 20 years ago and a lot has happened since then.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 13 April 2006 23:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the Pepper cd sounds horrible against the vinyl version. The White Album stacks up ok but I got the 30th anniversary reissue not the original cd.

tremendoid (tremendoid), Thursday, 13 April 2006 23:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

abby road still sounds really good. I'm sure a remastering will make it sound better but I listened to it yesterday carefully with headphones and was pretty blown away by how good it sounded.

I think the Anthologies are a pretty good distillation of the best stuff that makes up the two major bootleg series (ultra rare trax and, uh, whatever the other one is called; they have most of the same stuff on them). I could do w/out the talking on the first cd.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The Beatles are really smart to make people wait for every new issue. Keeps the interest up. When they are finally remastered it'll probably be on the cover of Time.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 14 April 2006 19:58 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I assumed it was just a question of having to sort out all manner of legalities before anything happened in the Beatle world.

Lotta Continua (Damian), Friday, 14 April 2006 20:34 (eleven years ago) Permalink

What was interesting about the Anthology releases/phenomenon is that a lot of kids who were first getting into the band around that time all bought the Anthologies as if they were Greatest Hits Collections. I often see volumes of the Anthologies in people's collection as the only Beatles representation. "Just the b-sides, demos, and alternative takes for you eh?" They were hoodwinked!

ryan_w, Friday, 14 April 2006 20:46 (eleven years ago) Permalink

coincidentally (or perhaps not), michael jackson is also giving up his ownership of the publishing rights to sony this week, I think, to deal with some of his debt.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 14 April 2006 20:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

yeah i can imagine people getting suckered into the anthologies as some kind of definitive look at the beatles... that bluesy version of helter skelter is really wonderful. and the acoustic "across the universe".

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dave k, Friday, 14 April 2006 20:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I'm pretty sure The White Album will always sound best on vinyl.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Friday, 14 April 2006 21:57 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Are there any Beatle albums that don't?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 14 April 2006 21:58 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Okay, so in that case, why does there need to be such a rush to get them remastered?

billstevejim (billstevejim), Saturday, 15 April 2006 00:59 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I for one hear absolutely no difference.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Saturday, 15 April 2006 01:05 (eleven years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

i mean it does take the piss doesn't it?

pisces, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 12:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

lo-lo-lo-looooots of piss, sir! :(

t**t, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 15:19 (nine years ago) Permalink

I bought Help for £1 in a charity shop the other week. It was cheap because the cover was ripped (and taped up again) and the vinyl's a bit crackly, but it's not scratched at all. Even with the crackles it sounds great - a lot better than the CD versions, The Night Before especially gaining an awful lot of character and energy. I too am amazed there's no proper CD remaster, I guess because people are still buying the current shonky versions.

The Wayward Johnny B, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 17:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

This footage
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=compleat+beatles
of 'The Compleat Beatles' (snappy 1984 cheaply-made proto-ANTHOLOGY movie, shot on film and narrated by Malcolm Mcdowell) is
making me anticipate this happening all the more.

pisces, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 13:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

It will happen before or since, but apparently at still takes time.

I expected they'd at least do "Sgt. Pepper" in June this year to coincide with its 40th anniversary, but they did't.

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 13:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

But at least, with the current trend for remasters, the ultimate edition will be better. I hope they will do like The Bee Gees and Monkees remasters, and put out 2CDs with the stereo version + bonus tracks in stereo on one and the mono version + bonus tracks in mono on the other one.

Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 13:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

yeah, haha -- only available in vegas!

tylerw, Thursday, 25 May 2017 21:24 (five days ago) Permalink

The NPR interview with George Martins kid goes into Lucy In The Sky. Great interview.

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 25 May 2017 21:56 (five days ago) Permalink

I A/B'ed the new "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" with the Yellow Submarine Songtrack version twice, once in headphones, and I have to say that I like the latter quite a bit more. It's much more radical.

timellison, Friday, 26 May 2017 04:31 (four days ago) Permalink

Me too, thanks!

The Pickety 33⅓ Policeman (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 26 May 2017 11:10 (four days ago) Permalink

Listening to the new mix now, it's weak as hell. Every element positioned and EQd for maximum clarity, what's missing? oh yeah the song. Opening track and "Getting Better" particularly bad, the latter missing its manic acid-bright clang chords, the fuzz on "Fixing a Hole" smoothed out in favour of pointless b/g vocals. The idiosyncrasies of the original blanded out.
Must say I am surprised at how reactionary-old-man I am in response to this. For all its flaws the album has an otherness which is clearly due in part to its crammed, breathless mix. Oh fuck, now "She's Leaving Home" sounds like a tent should be put up around it before a compassionate shot to the head.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Friday, 26 May 2017 12:22 (four days ago) Permalink

I'm listening to disc 2 and it's bits. They nice. I like the clarity of the vocal takes, and the instrumental versions (effectively) of "She's Leaving Home" and so forth are amazing.

Having said that, will the new mix make those clear vocals seem incongruous within the overall sound picture of the album, proper? We shall see...

Mark G, Friday, 26 May 2017 12:26 (four days ago) Permalink

WELL WHAT DO WE THINK OF THE REMIX?

timellison, Sunday, 28 May 2017 01:13 (two days ago) Permalink

will the new mix make those clear vocals seem incongruous within the overall sound picture of the album, proper?

I don't think it does. They're not cleaned up any more than anything else is cleaned up. I think the efforts to make it still sound like a period album are basically successful. I have a few minor gripes but a lot of this is just really gorgeous and cool to hear.

timellison, Sunday, 28 May 2017 01:34 (two days ago) Permalink

i def don't understand what matthewk is talking about

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Sunday, 28 May 2017 01:38 (two days ago) Permalink

Well, at the time I was listening I felt the elements of the new mix failed to gel into a cohesive "sound". I appreciate the clarity but maybe there is something about the mono mix which sticks it all together. I have listened to the remix again "from the next room" which is sometimes better for getting the feel of the musicality, and didn't mind it as much - maybe on first listen my attention was drawn by the new detail and thus I forgot to enjoy the songs. All so subjective (and I'm aware I sound like a dick in these descriptions).

attention vampire (MatthewK), Sunday, 28 May 2017 01:49 (two days ago) Permalink

glad giles took the hit and left steven wilson free to do the much more important work of remixing jethro tull's "songs from the wood" into 5.1

Cyborg Kickboxer (rushomancy), Sunday, 28 May 2017 02:21 (two days ago) Permalink

i think this the best anyone could've hoped for with a new stereo mix of Sgt. Pepper. it wasn't meant to be in stereo, the mono mix is already perfect. i'm three songs into the new stereo mix and it's great, really cool, certainly better than the old stereo mixes (although i always preferred 'Getting Better' in stereo).

flappy bird, Sunday, 28 May 2017 02:43 (two days ago) Permalink

I miss the acid-high abrasive top end on the guitar in "Getting Better", it takes it from a pop song into a weird shrieking drone, with the Indian percussion nod acknowledging that at the end.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Sunday, 28 May 2017 07:20 (two days ago) Permalink

glad giles took the hit and left steven wilson free to do the much more important work of remixing jethro tull's "songs from the wood" into 5.1

― Cyborg Kickboxer (rushomancy), Sunday, May 28, 2017 3:21 AM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

All the Tull stereo remixes have been great so far, the early ones especially really *cough* benefit from a little bit of punch and clarity, however this new Sgt Pep mix isn't really making me think that I've been missing out on any detail or heft, I'm not particularly cynical wrt back catalogue reissues, my wife works in this field so I know what goes on, but it does seem like a bit of a transparent attempt to squeeze money out of poor old £50 guy, just put Let It Be out on Blu Ray already.

Foghat digs holes in space (MaresNest), Sunday, 28 May 2017 10:33 (two days ago) Permalink

Loving Ringo on the new remix. He thunders on GMGM.

Cosign on getting better getting worse by losing its trebbly tang.

barbarian radge (NotEnough), Sunday, 28 May 2017 11:41 (two days ago) Permalink

I don't think the guitars sound particularly different on that, but the one in the right channel is maybe not as loud and more electric piano. Have to say, that was the one that drew me in. I love the separation, clarity, fullness and wider stereo field, vocals sound amazing.

timellison, Sunday, 28 May 2017 15:55 (two days ago) Permalink

"Good Morning Good Morning" has got to be the most radical one - what a racket!

timellison, Sunday, 28 May 2017 16:03 (two days ago) Permalink

Yes the super compressed drums on Good Morning Good Morning are an absolute riot!

in twelve parts (lamonti), Sunday, 28 May 2017 18:13 (two days ago) Permalink

I think they did a great job with the remix.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Sunday, 28 May 2017 18:13 (two days ago) Permalink

I know it's been widely available anyway, but Take 26 of Strawberry Fields Forever is an absolute mental recording. I love John's scouse "forevah" on the first chorus.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Sunday, 28 May 2017 18:51 (two days ago) Permalink

I like Getting Better take 1 but these outtakes are p disappointing, a lot of the great stuff like Good Morning Good Morning was already on Anthology, or bootlegs. Still psyched on this reissue, mostly because seems like The White Album reissue will be properly insane and amazing.

flappy bird, Sunday, 28 May 2017 18:54 (two days ago) Permalink

Giles Martin said no white album reissue/remix would be happening. In a way, it's a shame, given how much unreleased stuff there is (which is to say, most of the Esher demos). But unless there's something as brilliant and revelatory as "Revolution Take 20," I suspect we've already heard the best of it.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 28 May 2017 19:52 (two days ago) Permalink

I was referring to http://www.spin.com/2017/05/the-beatles-white-album-reissue-giles-martin/, but I just saw this.

Fuck

flappy bird, Sunday, 28 May 2017 20:03 (two days ago) Permalink

Really like the remix.

Not bothered about the outtakes; though I found the instrumental Penny Lane actually very unpleasant to listen to and had to curtail it.

Luna Schlosser, Sunday, 28 May 2017 21:29 (two days ago) Permalink

There was a review where it mentions "Strawberry Fields" take one, having 'unobtrusive' slide guitar from George Harrison.

Now, I've had a version of this on bootleg for a long time, and I'm sure its anything but unobtrusive. Is this a new mix as well?

Mark G, Sunday, 28 May 2017 22:15 (two days ago) Permalink

i think this is a new mix. or at the very least its from the original tapes and not nth generation tape dubs w all sorts of added EQ and tape compression. the SFF Take 1 from boots was always pretty rough, the backing vocals in particular kind of coming in from nowhere and very loud. the new mix sounds really nice. imo they have mixed out a lot of guitar from George on this song and the deluxe package throughout. When I'm 64 outtakes have guitar suddenly appear for the last 8 bars.

just now listening to the 2017 remix. the bass feels a lot heavier. again the backing vocals feel very clear.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 28 May 2017 22:22 (two days ago) Permalink

guitar on Getting better feels way lower now than the bass. no surprise; the Beatles is still the Paul show.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 28 May 2017 22:23 (two days ago) Permalink

man this album rules. listening to "She's Leaving Home" rn. loving this colorful (via John's cynical generation war backing vocals) 60s pop chamber drama. great songs all around.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 28 May 2017 22:30 (two days ago) Permalink

harmonium is way low on Mr. Kite wtf

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 28 May 2017 22:32 (two days ago) Permalink

also did they double John's original backing vocals for "Of course Henry the Horse" this sounds messed up. prefer the original mix of Mr. Kite. this is all drums and bass.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 28 May 2017 22:33 (two days ago) Permalink

Within You Without You sounds good until the very end. for some reason the laughter is delayed. When I'm 64 has fucked up phased backing vocals.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 28 May 2017 22:41 (two days ago) Permalink

Good Morning Good Morning is so noise rock

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 28 May 2017 22:46 (two days ago) Permalink

watching the skirt you start to flirt now you're in gear. very Eno-esque

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 28 May 2017 22:46 (two days ago) Permalink

i like the mono mix. the outtakes are the real stars for me.

i love the Getting Better outtake w the fuZZ bass and keyboard. the keys played by George Martin accordion to Lewosohn, making this "Take 1" only feature Ringo and Paul? again where is George? the Paul show.

Within You Without You outtake of George talking with the Indian musicians is pretty wonderful. it is neat to hear him using the terminology and stuff.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 28 May 2017 22:55 (two days ago) Permalink

no surprise; the Beatles is still the Paul show.

Oh come on. The real difference is the louder elec. piano. Right channel guitar is a little quieter, yes.

timellison, Sunday, 28 May 2017 23:17 (two days ago) Permalink

I mean, yeah, bass is louder. It should be! It doesn't sound very good on the original stereo!

timellison, Sunday, 28 May 2017 23:25 (two days ago) Permalink

I don't even know if it's louder - it's MUCH fuller.

timellison, Sunday, 28 May 2017 23:26 (two days ago) Permalink

And call me crazy but the harmonium on "Mr. Kite" sounds a little louder on the new mix to me but in the context of everything else being louder as well.

timellison, Sunday, 28 May 2017 23:29 (two days ago) Permalink

Fixing and Hole and Getting Better outtakes nice but piano and bass no guitar =(

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 28 May 2017 23:42 (two days ago) Permalink

they've cut them talking about acid in the water on the Mr. Kite outtake. still a little exclusive treasure on the Anthology 2.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 28 May 2017 23:44 (two days ago) Permalink

i really like Sgt. Pepper Reprise Speech w/ Take 8. what the hell is going on at 00:28? is that Ringo? it almost sounds like an early drum machine, maybe it is on the organ George Martin is playing.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 29 May 2017 00:05 (yesterday) Permalink

Someone drumming their hands on something?

timellison, Monday, 29 May 2017 02:05 (yesterday) Permalink

I've been listening to this a bit more (just the version on spotify : did you guys buy the boxset ?)
it does sound great (I have no problem with it being in stereo since... I have never heard the mono version !).
indeed, the rhythm section is on fire from start to finish (even Good Morning, which is by far the song I like the least on the album, is - a bit - redeemed by its riotous drums/bass).
I don't really hear the difference/issue with the guitar intro on "Getting Better", though ? (but the outtake revealed how easy and fun to play on the piano that song is !)

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 29 May 2017 08:35 (yesterday) Permalink

Highlights for me are hearing Paul working out how to sing Fixing a Hole at the end of the song and the early takes of Getting Better and Lovely Rita. Has anyone heard disc 3?

Darin, Monday, 29 May 2017 14:27 (yesterday) Permalink

I'm just listening to streaming versions of this unless I can find the other discs from the box to download; not throwing out $150 for this since I don't do 5.1 and that's overpriced anyway. I like the stereo remix fine though; it's interesting, but it's not going to supplant the 2009 remasters (stereo and mono) or my old vinyl. nice, but not necessary

akm, Monday, 29 May 2017 18:24 (yesterday) Permalink

I haven't heard all of the new mix, but I just had a listen to the new 'A Day In The Life' mix and thought it sucked.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 00:06 (one hour ago) Permalink

For one, I fucking loathe the compression that seems to have been applied to the drums, and the orchestral cacophony actually loses something when you can hear what the players are actually doing - it works better as a slab of noise. MatthewK kinda OTM.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 00:13 (one hour ago) Permalink

To be fair to Giles Martin, his stated objective was to create a stereo counterpart to the mono mix because of the Beatles' direct involvement in that mix. And since the latter is compressed heavily, he recreated that in the remix. What maybe happened was that the compression was originally applied to the mono mix as a whole, using analogue gear - for cutting purposes I presume - whereas maybe the elements of the stereo mix were individually compressed, and maybe in the digital domain?
Also - given the much greater bottom end emphasis of the remix, and the higher bass and drum placement in the mix, the overall effect of any applied compression can't help but be different, since the energy is distributed across the frequencies differently. If the low end is EQ'd out of the drums, it has no effect on the signal level the compressor sees, but if it's present it will have an effect and the compressor will compress differently. Would be a reason to compress the individual elements rather than the mix, and then you'd lose the "smearing" effect of whole-mix compression. Probably a case of good intentions undone by conflicting goals: recreate the mono mix + rebuild elements from first gen pre-bouncedown + make it "higher fidelity" = songs don't cohere.
I'd like to hear a remix using the original stems, from scratch by a producer with a good ear and musical intuition - presumably Nigel Godrich has the right kind of aesthetic, for example. Giles is there because of his name, if these results are a fair indication of his ability.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 01:14 (seventeen minutes ago) Permalink


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