This sounds like the worst thing

-Jeremy Parker (Tha Pumpsta)

The median income for a household in the county is $58,289, and the median income for a family is $67,649. Males have a median income of $45,362 versus $33,453 for females.

The racial makeup of the county is 72.40% White, 18.80% Black or African American, 0.26% Native American, 3.06% Asian, 0.04% Pacific Islander, 3.58% from other races, and 1.87% from two or more races.

"I offered free admission to ONE of my parties because it was the debut of "MAMMY!". I often collaborate with individuals of all races who work in circuses and who embrace goth culture, so we are often in blackface at "I-chRONIC". I am a goth! I always wear blackface. My intentions are not racist, vulgar, or insincere."

you did luck out...it's really hard to throw/find a good dance party in nyc.

Seriously? Well, I take that back then.

I got majorly screwed by MTA almost the entire time though, but got really lucky with dance parties.. so karma, yin, yang, etc.

Did I mention he looks like a tool? Seriously, he looks like some kid who used to shove me in gym class in middle school.

'Kill' and 'Whitie' are words (well, 'kill' is...).

SF: It's ridiculous that people don't have anything better to do than to sit on the computer and blog Kill Whitie.

RR: ...

Gee, do you think maybe he's coming across as a "smug insincere fucktard" because he just spent a week defending obviously false racist charges aimed at both himself and his party?

Also, suggesting he is "using his minority women friends as springboard props" is a ridiculous charge. You're suggesting that white people are only friends with black people for reasons of exploitation and black culture credibility.

I originally took offense at this party, the fried chicken gimmick, and the WP article quotes, and posted as such. Now that I have all the information, it's clear the only thing to find offensive is the people who are still bothering to try to label this guy a racist.

The smear still being lauched at this guy and his party on this thread rings like some neo-con morality police bullshit and it's sickening.

YEAH! KILL WHITIE!

but to use miccio's logic w/r/t yyt's "wait", criticize at your own self-revealing risk. maybe the guy just really likes fried chicken. i mean i fucking love fried chicken. i like po boys too. i'm not sure that's how tha pumpsta means it, but it's sorta shitty to racebait kneejerk like this, because in practice things are more nuanced, less (ha) black and white.

new tshirt! new tshirt! somebody get Neighborhoodies on the phone!

The Washington Post assumed the role of labeling what is 'white' music and what is 'black' music

.....

Another thing you said about the shittiness of "racebait kneejerk"-ing.. are you still referring to The Pumpsta in that context? Or the detractors in this thread? Or both?

I would tend to disagree.

racist = ignorant

ignorant = idiot

racist = idiot

...then I see your point.

This guy's not a "I hate black people" racist, though. He's just an idiot who doesn't realize that his poor attempts at humor and irony come off as racist and offensive to many people. And I think, despite the free publicity angle, he's been paying for it recently.

Other events I don't feel impelled to travel across the country to attend prior to passing judgment: Republican National Conventions, Klan rallies, R. Kelly concerts... (not that any of these are necessarily analogous to Kill Whitey dance parties, just examples to illustrate one does not have to jump off a cliff to verify that it isn't a good idea).

...his guy's not a "I hate black people" racist, though. He's just an idiot who doesn't realize that his poor attempts at humor and irony come off as racist and offensive to many people.

You know, Jsoulja, the one thing I haven't called the guy is a racist because it would be too easy really. The guy is a smug insincere fucktard because he's off feeling the flames of public opinion/disapproval on his ass since he bared is so thoroughly and his defense is "it's a joke!"/"I've got a race pass, I can do what I want." I don't really care if the NAACP is co-sponsoring his party and holding bake sales there when the flyers promise free entry with a bucket of chicken and their promotional tools is to use disembodied black body parts/symbolism to indicate that they are promising a good old crunk time without the "hassle" of "agressive" black people there to "spoil" the fun. He is using his friends as a springboard prop to say "they agree and are helping, so it's okay." Yet it's not okay. Even if the party was 99.9% black except for Tha Pumpsta, it would not be not okay because fuck it, the bottom line is that there really has to be some form of creativity besides "big black ass here (well not really), come get loose!" in 2005. People like Tha Pumpsta are almost worse than the hooded types because their racism and prejudice is so coded that you really must be just be a killjoy if you don't "get" their humor. The fact that he is so obstinant and unrepentant in his loathsomeness makes me want to crawl on Bedford Avenue naked rather than give a dime to support him, that party, or that venue.

OK, I call bullshit, Nick. Sorry. I've seen flyers for ghetto-tech/DJ assult type stuff. I remember flyers back in the day for Miami Bass.. and also late 80s L.A. techno/scratching... yes, disembodied asses have always been a constant symbol of club iconography. But black asses were never exclusive and still are not exclusive to ANY of these, except Kill Whitie, and a lot of purposely lewd hip hop/club promoted by and for predominantly black audiences. In more shocking news, latin based bootie club nights feature a lot of *gasp* disembodied latina asses. It sounds like you're trying to make this more complex than it really is, Nick.

Casady was raised in Santa Barbara, Calif., but quickly notes her worldliness by listing the cities where she has lived along the trail to Brooklyn. A regular Kill Whitie partygoer, she tried the conventional (that is, non-hipster) hip-hop clubs but found the men "really hard-core." In this vastly whiter scene, Casady said that "it's a safe environment to be freaky."

dude look at the quotes. what you think she says is the effect of what's betwixt. how do i know? i do the same exact shit. it's not journalism, but i never act like what i do is. this article is all about michelle garcia exposing extremely strawmanned racism. and you bought into it, like most every other fucking clown on the internet anxious to Make A Point about something, Anything, hook/line/etc.

because the other parties cassidy is talking about are scary. lots of really junky dudes, many of them bridge n tunnel, raging drunk, big muscles, anxious to fuck. that's what she meant by hardcore. it has nothing to do with clubs being predominantly black, which last time i checked, there might be like 3 or 4 clubs like that in manhattan. these parties have hefty covers, expensive drinks, and call it ageism, but people over 40 wearing party shirts and swinging around freak me the fuck out. if i was a girl just looking to dance to hip-hop music, it's a variable i wouldn't want to deal with.

which brings me all the way back to this being not a black vs. white thing so much as a young vs. old thing. but who wants to talk about that.

xpost: donut please, black asses aren't exclusive to kill whitie either.

xpost: shawn d please, i spent 500 words on this out of the 5000 i wrote this week, this isn't gonna be anybody's watergate, not even yours (the d's for deepthroat, right; suck a dick)

you obviously more than usual have no fucking clue what you're talking about, you asinine fucking hack.

you obviously more than usual have no fucking clue what you're talking about, you asinine fucking hack.

you obviously more than usual have no fucking clue what you're talking about, you asinine fucking hack.

which brings me all the way back to this being not a black vs. white thing so much as a young vs. old thing. but who wants to talk about that.

I'm not shedding a tear nor really caring to defend the WaPo writers, mind you. I'm just wondering why Pumpsta thought his consistent theme is a good idea to keep consistent. While I'd cringe, I could deal with "Kill Whitie" and all it entails being a one-off, minus the free-entrance-with-fried-chicken thing and similar. But to keep it consistent, and to have people adorned in Wham! video takes on ironic words associated with racial guilt is not only an uncomfortable concept to me, but also really fucking weird the more I think about it...

xpost: donut please, black asses aren't exclusive to kill whitie either.

I've never seen the entire oeuvre of the Kill Whitie flyer collection, sadly, so I apologize if I assumed they were predominantly black asses. Given the name of his event is called "Kill Whitie", I ASS-U-ME'd. (Nyuk nyuk nyuk.)

I guess my point is.. can't he just phase the theme out? I don't doubt the success of his parties, but I doubt they'd require the theme to succeed. I don't think anyone here is defending the theme; they're defending Da Pumpsta. Now, unless I'm blind to NYC cabaret law politics, and Bloomberg gives grants to dance clubs that promote shocking and titillating feelings about racial guilt as "art statements" or something, I don't see a fucking reason for "Kill Whitie", but I have nothing against dance parties with asses on the promo flyers thrown by Da Pumpsta. Just kill the "Kill Whitie" part.

What an amazingly intelligent retort.

i'm more interested in simply pointing out that reading anything Tha Pumpsta says is like watching someone who can't punch their way out of a wet paper bag. And at least bad stand-up comics refrain from saying shit like "if you don't see it's funny, I can't help you." When they bomb, the audience lets them know and they have to eat it.

this is also a good point that got lost in the mire:

ha, even if this shit isn't racist, it's classist. keep it hipster and safe and fake and distanced and as a "commentary", y'all, stay away from the real people at ground level, because then you wouldn't be special "performance artists", you'd be just like everyone else.

-- gear (speed.to.roa...), September 1st, 2005 6:03 PM.

If you scratch beyond their art-school shock tactic veneer, you find it's just a smokescreen, and what's being covered up (lack of talent, substance, etc.) is worth being discussed. and maybe even that young vs. old thing, if only to get Nick S. to stfu.

at best, assuming Tha Pumpsta is as 'down from day 1' and sincere as he says he is, he's still catering to retards who can't just get to down to the fucking music without feeling superior and distanced and he knows it, knew it before the first party began.

oh noes, the thread is dying!

WHAT DID NICK KNOW AND WHEN DID HE KNOW IT?

i know it's not funny, just trying to learn how to post pictures like the other trolls.

(posted in a new thread cos i didn't see this one -- thanks ned.)