Peter Gabriel vs. Phil Collins

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Two questions:

1. Which was better with Genesis

2. Which is better solo

James G. Wert, Thursday, 18 August 2005 12:41 (9 years ago) Permalink

"Things" went better with coke.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 18 August 2005 12:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

Isn't there a thread about this?

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:20 (9 years ago) Permalink

I like Gabriel better as a solo artist and Genesis frontman. However, Phil Collins is a fucking amazing drummer and had some great pop hits both solo and in Genesis.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:22 (9 years ago) Permalink

1. Peter Gabriel was an incredible front man for the most innovative time for Genesis. 'Foxtrot', 'Nursery Cryme', 'Selling England By The Pound' and 'Lamb Lies Down On Broadway' are easily the strongest, most timeless pieces in their catalog. This is coming of age music, and sadly, post-Gabriel departure, this band turned middle-aged quickly. I don't completely blame Phil Collins, he picked up the microphone and tried to keep the band going. It should be noted that Genesis also had their most financial success when Phil ('Buster' aka The Loveable Lil Tramp from London).

2. As solo artist, you can't argue that Phil's Disney catalog (Tarzan, Brother Bear are both huge) pretty much answers any 'solo artist' questions.

Chris Johnson, Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

1. Peter Gabriel was an incredible front man for the most innovative time for Genesis. 'Foxtrot', 'Nursery Cryme', 'Selling England By The Pound' and 'Lamb Lies Down On Broadway' are easily the strongest, most timeless pieces in their catalog. This is coming of age music, and sadly, post-Gabriel departure, this band turned middle-aged quickly. I don't completely blame Phil Collins, he picked up the microphone and tried to keep the band going. It should be noted that Genesis also had their most financial success when Phil ('Buster' aka The Loveable Lil Tramp from London) took over vocal duties

2. As solo artist, you can't argue that Phil's Disney catalog (Tarzan, Brother Bear are both huge) pretty much answers any 'solo artist' questions.

Chris Johnson, Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:48 (9 years ago) Permalink

I can't tell if your #2 is damning or praising Phil.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:50 (9 years ago) Permalink

Phil's Disney catalog is an aural Auschwitz.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:51 (9 years ago) Permalink

At this moment I'd rather listen to Invisible Touch over Selling England By The Pound, Foxtrot, or any other of those purported Gabriel-helmed masterpieces.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 18 August 2005 13:51 (9 years ago) Permalink

How has this not been asked before?! Good topic...

Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:11 (9 years ago) Permalink

TS: "Domino" vs "The Battle of Epping Forest."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

Peter Gabriel would've never led Genesis, nor any innocents whatsoever for that matter, down the path on which "I Can't Dance" became reality.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:44 (9 years ago) Permalink

Even just viewing their solo stuff, PG's emotional highs ("In Your Eyes") and lows ("Digging In The Dirt") are just so much higher (that Tarzan tripe) and lower ("In The Air Tonight") than Phil's.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

The differences between 'I Can't Dance' (the single) and 'Steam' may not actually be that great.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

haha, touche

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:50 (9 years ago) Permalink

I heard a radio interview with that Quebecois impersonator Andre Phillipe Gagnon who got briefly famous in the '80s for singing every part of We Are The World on stage. He was talking about material for his new show and demonstrated how lowering his pitch a bit and adding some graininess turned PC into PG.

electric derby, Thursday, 18 August 2005 14:56 (9 years ago) Permalink

The differences between 'I Can't Dance' (the single) and 'Steam' may not actually be that great.

-- Sociah T Azzahole (stevem7...), August 18th, 2005.


This is true, although I'd rather listen to "Steam" (and have been).

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 18 August 2005 15:00 (9 years ago) Permalink

Funny though – "Take A Look At Me Now (Against All Odds)" is a more touching ballad than anything PG's come up with.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 18 August 2005 15:01 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'm trying to avoid knee-jerking here. Gabriel is so obviously a better human being than Collins, and Collins has gotten to be such an embarrassment with the late Genesis, his poppier solo work, and of course the Disney stuff.

That said:

1. Try as I might, I can't seem to get into the Gabriel-era Genesis. An excess of boring proggy noodling and overly self-aware deliberate strangeness.

And while things got unbearable starting with Invisible Touch and onward, Collins-era Genesis was not always so inexcusable. Abacab has some quite respectable rock on it, for example. So, slight advantage to Collins. I can call to mind a handful of Collins-era Genesis songs that I prefer to anything I've heard of the Gabriel-era Genesis.

2. This is just no question. The Petemeister's solo material is mountains above Phil's. There are defensible tracks on Collins's first two records--"I Missed Again," for example--but nothing that is the equal of even "Sledgehammer."

The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Thursday, 18 August 2005 16:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

Preposterous that anyone could pick the Collins side.

Gabriel-era Genesis was substantial, as is his solo career. Collins-era Genesis peaked with Trick Of The Tail, and there were only fleeting moments of brilliance afterwards (select tracks on Abacab, Duke and the s/t.)

As for Collins solo career, I wasn't much of a fan of his output after "Hello I Must Be Going". He went for the big brass pop ring, plain and simple. Plus, the best moments on his first two solo albums seemed to be influenced by Gabriel's solo work (I Don't Care Anymore, In The Air Tonight).

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 18 August 2005 16:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

Insofar as going after the big brass pop ring produced some legitimately great hits, there's nothing wrong with it.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 18 August 2005 16:17 (9 years ago) Permalink

Alfred, you're right.

But for some reason, post "Hello I Must Be Going", Phil Collins output struck me as monstrously vacuous. And I thought that from my very first listen to "No Jacket Required" back in 1984. I like the early 80s Genesis pop singles just fine (Misunderstanding, Paperlate, That's All, etc.). But when I think of the singles off of "No Jacket" I just don't ever want to hear them again.

I do have a soft spot for "Easy Lover" though. The collab with Philip Bailey.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 18 August 2005 16:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

Alfred, you're right that there's nothing wrong with going after the big brass pop ring.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 18 August 2005 16:31 (9 years ago) Permalink

I can't completely defend Phil, but I won't elevate Gabriel's status just because he was for many years a below-the-radar cult star and pre-So worked on "non-commercial" material. I'm not saying you did this Brooker, but this seems to be the subtext to some of the comments.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 18 August 2005 16:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

Alfred, good point. I'm not embracing Gabriel because of his non-commercial/cult qualities.

I just truly love the man on so many levels. As an artist, as an electronics/sound production pioneer, as a champion for human rights, as a proponent for world music and it's integration into mainstream conciousness. I've always respected his art and his actions.

To me, Phil Collins is a phenomenal drummer and talented musician, but he squandered a lot of those talents as his career progressed. A good comparison is Phil's very literal appropriation of r&b stylings, while Gabriel assimilated r&b influences into his own music.

"Sussudio" vs. "Sledgehammer" is a good illustration.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 18 August 2005 16:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

I don't care any mow-woah.

57 7th (calstars), Thursday, 18 August 2005 16:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

These days I prefer Phil's production work: Philip Bailey, Adam Ant, Eric Clapton, and Frida's "I Know There's Something Going On"

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 18 August 2005 17:52 (9 years ago) Permalink

If this were Defending the Indefensible: Phil Collins, I might make "Paperlate" and "Misunderstanding" Defense Exhibits A and C. ("Abacab" would be Exhibit B.)

The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Thursday, 18 August 2005 18:22 (9 years ago) Permalink

x-post Don't forget John Martyn! Or his excellent work with Robert Plant and even Eric Clapton.

Everything Genesis did through "Invisible Touch" is fine by me, if perhaps tainted by Phil's solo stuff. Everything Gabriel did with Genesis and solo is miles above, however.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Thursday, 18 August 2005 18:24 (9 years ago) Permalink

The Gabriel/Hackett era Genesis is so much more imaginative, and being really into music, i like music that is beyond anything i've heard. Whilst i think phil collins is a talented musician, his music doesn't have much in it that is the of the same imaginative calliber as the Hackett/Gabriel lineup.

Ben M1234, Tuesday, 23 August 2005 13:56 (8 years ago) Permalink

Let's let Xgau weigh in on this:

Invisible Touch [Atlantic, 1986]
For a while I was tempted to buzz Phil Collins over his former fearless leader. He's a warmer singer, God help them both, and the formerly useless Tony Banks proves adept with the keyb hooks. But in the end I couldn't tolerate the generalization density--not just of the lyrics (where Peter Gabriel's personal and geopolitical details offer some evidence that he's been there) but of the hooks, which end up feeling coercive, an effect unmitigated by Collins's whomping instrumental technique. And just to prove they're still Genesis, we get solos. C+

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 17:44 (8 years ago) Permalink

"Collin's whomping instrumental technique"? It's Invisible Touch fer Chrissake.

Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 01:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

w/ Genesis is tough--Foxtrot is definitely among the least listenable albums I've ever tried to trudge through, but post-Gabriel Genesis is responsible for some of the worst singles ever to plague the top 40. I'll give it to Collins for "No Reply At All" and "Illegal Alien," though I'm not sure if the former was w/ Genesis or not.

Without, it's no contest--"Against All Odds" and "In the Air Tonight" vs. "Solsbury Hill," "Sledgehammer," "Steam," "In Your Eyes," "Games Without Frontiers," "Shock the Monkey," "Don't Give Up" and a bunch of others. Gabriel all the way.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 02:08 (8 years ago) Permalink

Musical I.Q. Lyrical I.Q. Accessibility

Phil Collins 75 72 A

Peter Gabriel 95 128 B


Phil Wins !!!

Jim B., Wednesday, 24 August 2005 17:07 (8 years ago) Permalink

It is not a hard decisoin with who's solo career was better as quite clearly (stated many times in this topic) Phil Collin's rubbishy disney blah blah was nothing compared to Peter Gabriel's solo career, I was watchin one of Peter Gabriels shows the other day and as a frontman he is unbelievable, most people would agree that a decent frontman singer (PG) is better and more valuable to a band than a decent drummer and an average singer (PC). However, Phil Collins has created some classics such as Land of Confusion, Invisible Touch, Misunderstanding and many more but this can also be said for Peter Gabriel with great material such as Lambs on Broadway and The knife and one of my favourites Firth of fifth.
To some up they are both very good writers, Peter Gabriel wipes the floor on the solo career, also he was better in most areas of the band (Phil Collins still being amazing tho) and Peter Gabriel gave Genesis a way better image.....perhaps Phil should have stayed on the drums.

Chris Ansty, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 20:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

"most people would agree that a decent frontman singer (PG) is better and more valuable to a band than a decent drummer"

Ringo Starr, Mick Fleetwood, Mike Joyce, Lindy Morrison, and countless others would like a word with you in the front office.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 22:20 (8 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...
My immediate knee-jerk reaction was "Well, Gabriel by a mile, duh?" Mainly for solo records 2, 3, and 4, all three of which I love (although #2 has been my favorite lately, for "On The Air" alone). But then I started thinking, you know, I've never really checked out Gabriel-era Genesis, and have never WANTED to for some reason that I can't seem to put my finger on. Meanwhile, without my realizing, Phil Collins has filled up his Genesis/solo career with a number of songs I know and enjoy considerably: Paperlate, Abacab, Throwing It All Away, Billy Don't Lose My Number, Susussusudio, Invisible Touch.... okay, so it's a handful of tracks, but the point I'm getting at is that when I hear the name Phil Collins, I think of Disney-sounding stuff that you hear on the radio at the dentist's office.... but a little bit of reflection dredges up all these songs that are actually excellent. The only real negative on these songs is that I associate them with a guy whose later work is known for just being godawful.

Don't get me wrong, Pete still wins this one...but I can't not step in and champion "Don't Lose My Number."

Doctor Casino, Friday, 30 September 2005 06:21 (8 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...
Well, here we havean intersting debate. Personally, I a a bigger Phil Collins fan, not that I'm not a Peter Gabriel fan, I am, But there are definatly some issues taht I have here. Comparing Genesis under Peter and Phil gets tricky for a few different reasons. I like both periods, but for different reasons. I can't fault a band that has spent a decade of its career making songs that are 10 min. in length for stepping back and stripping down thier sound and not trying to doctor up somthing that just might not be there. "That's All," "Illegal Alien," and especially "Invisible Touch" fall under this catagory. I enjoy the Artistry from the Gabriel Era, such as "...In The Cage," but then there are songs like "Watcher of the Skies" which just seem to drag and have parts that seem to be there for no reason. In the same way, I don't think that Genesis lost much after Gabriel. Phil is a MUCH better singerand musician than Peter by a mile. One listen to "Mama" sould be enough to convince anyone of that. Plus there are songs that stretch musical wings under Phil as well. "Abacab," "Second Home by the Sea," "Behind the Lines," "Mama," "Duke's Travel/End" and "Domino Part 2."
As far as thier solo careers go, there is such a double standard that it makes me sick. Peter can write a terrible synth-heavy piece of camel dung like "Shock the Monkey," and still maintain his mantle of serious artist, but Phil writes "Sussudio," which is a tribute to Prince, and Phil is the one who gets panned as sounding dumb? Phil has songs in has catalogue that are just as good as, if not better than Gabriel. "Take Me Home" is just as good, (especially live)as "In Your Eyes." Phil has songs like "We Wait and We Wonder," "In the Air Tonight," "I wish it would Rain Down," and "Both Sides of the Story." These songs are just as good as anything Peter has ever written.

Ultimatly, I love both Eras of Genesis, and I love both Phil and Gabriel. But sorry, Phil wins this one. He's the better musician, and he's got the better voice. As far as solo stuff is concerned, I'd say its about equal. Gabriel has songs that are just as poppy, and his other stuff isn't as amazing as people make it out to be. (i.e. Games without Frotiers and Biko to me are below Phil's body of work.) Before I get a bunch of flames, though, I will say this. The one catagory that Gabriel has Phil beat hands down is lyrics. Gabriel is one of the best songwriters of 30 years. Not to say that Phil can't write good lyrics, he can, but Gabriel's Lyrics are better adn more imaginative. I do still enjoy both artists and both eras of Genesis.

See ya,
Braz

Vince Braz, Saturday, 17 December 2005 01:08 (8 years ago) Permalink

get off my message board

howell huser (chaki), Saturday, 17 December 2005 01:11 (8 years ago) Permalink

round of applause to d. perry for the term "aural Auschwitz."

howell huser (chaki), Saturday, 17 December 2005 01:15 (8 years ago) Permalink

I think they're both, in their own way, pretentious boobs, and except for some of Gabriel's early solo work (D.I.Y., Solsbury Hill, Biko), Collins drumming (especially on Eno's records), and bits of Lamb, I can't stand either one of them. Still, if I had to choose, I would consign PC to an eternity in hell, if only for "Illegal Alien", the smarmiest pop record of all time.

moriarty (moriarty), Saturday, 17 December 2005 01:28 (8 years ago) Permalink

I was listening to Genesis' Archive #2 (the 1976-1992 one; the Phil Era). The box was a bit shabbily thrown together overall, but there's some gems on there.

I was rather surprised at how many of the tracks they left off their albums were quite superior to some of the crap they actually saw fit to include. It kills me that they nixed tunes like "Evidence of Autumn", "You Might Recall", and other good ones for crap like "Misunderstanding" and "Whodunnit". I'd even gladly substitute "On the Shoreline" for "Hold on My Heart" or "I Can't Dance" or "No Son of Mine" or "Jesus He Knows Me"...

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 17 December 2005 03:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

Have I ever mentioned how teeny tiny a pickle Phil Collins was in Peter Gabriel's tiny lunch sandwich?

Bee Jeez (Bimble...), Saturday, 17 December 2005 04:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

Hey, I was at work, bored, and the topic interests me,so deal.

Vince Braz, Monday, 19 December 2005 18:31 (8 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...
Isn't it pretty much universally accepted that Phil's production work on the Eric Clapton records resulted in the absolute nadir of EC's career?

Duke Dubuque, Friday, 20 January 2006 18:33 (8 years ago) Permalink

Well, I quite like "It's In the Way That You Use It" and "She's Waiting" – charming singles.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 20 January 2006 18:44 (8 years ago) Permalink

Since when did Phil Collins become the Official Sound Of Florida?

I was just there recently. At the Disney places, you kept hearing his work for cartoon soundtracks. Elsewhere, the radio was playing his earlier solo stuff on multiple stations all the time.

It was scary. I could not escape the man's music!

Edward Bax (EdBax), Friday, 20 January 2006 20:44 (8 years ago) Permalink

I think it's a real shame that Peter Gabriel II is such an
overlooked album. I think it has a Roxy Music/Bowie kind of
vibe to it. He comes across very raw, very vulnerable.
"On The Air" is maybe his most angry-sounding
song, he basically shouts it out (lord only knows what he's
angry about, but still). Robert Fripp's guitaring
(and production?) never sounded better, and the songs take
more left turns then ever. Sure, most of the songs still sound
very "composed," but how about that long, sparse, funk jam, or
the song where the guy murders his family (or something
like that)?

If the idea of a skronkier, New Wave-y Gabriel appeals to you,
check it out.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 20 January 2006 22:34 (8 years ago) Permalink

Peter's early solo stuff is grebt.

Besides, has Phil Collins released versions of his records sung in German? I think not!

Edward Bax (EdBax), Friday, 20 January 2006 22:55 (8 years ago) Permalink

1. Which was better with Genesis

Gabriel, of course

2. Which is better solo

Again, Gabriel, of course. Even though I thought otherwise at 14.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 21 January 2006 04:15 (8 years ago) Permalink

Funny though – "Take A Look At Me Now (Against All Odds)" is a more touching ballad than anything PG's come up with.

"Against All Odds" is a great song. But still cannot compete with greatness of "The Lamia" or even "Mercy Street".

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 21 January 2006 04:23 (8 years ago) Permalink

I'm going with Gabriel as well, but I have great respect for Phil's work with other bands/artists like Brand X, John Martyn, Brian Eno, etc. And "No Reply at All" from 'Abacab' is classic!

Patrick South (Patrick South), Saturday, 21 January 2006 07:17 (8 years ago) Permalink

i don't know about pete's contribution to genesis but solo he can't compare . between 1982-1995 phil was unstoppable - he had a dozen hits in a row , plus half a dozen with genesis.
pete has no solo albums worth getting and his greatest only has 5 songs.

retroboy, Saturday, 21 January 2006 07:25 (8 years ago) Permalink

this could be good or bad .lol
peter didn't produce frida or work ex-earth wind and fire guy.
i envy pete for pairing up wuth a bird with a nice pair (kate bush)

retroboy, Saturday, 21 January 2006 07:27 (8 years ago) Permalink

We're joking right? I mean...obviously Gabriel trumps Collins here, we ARE joking?

Silver Coffee (Bimble...), Saturday, 21 January 2006 11:48 (8 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...
"Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Christy, take off your robe. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. Sabrina, remove your dress. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Sabrina, why don't you, uh, dance a little. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Christy, get down on your knees so Sabrina can see your asshole. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. Sabrina, don't just stare at it, eat it. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite."

Patrick Bateman
"American Psycho"

Reid Hannan (Crazinessisay), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 14:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

Never read that before.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 14:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

all joking aside, "against all odds" is a really great song though. mr. bateman was right about that.

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:02 (7 years ago) Permalink

That extract from "American Psycho"! How fucking original!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:04 (7 years ago) Permalink

My winner is without question Peter Gabriel, for his individual mix of pretentious and humble. I show my love in moving pictures:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON8lVgJxMQA

Just the way he smiles when he samples himself saying "mummy", or how he enjoys the battery in "rhythm of heat" in a jumpsuit. Its just so adorable.

jon person (jon person), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:17 (7 years ago) Permalink

Okay, I got stoned one night a few months ago and decided to have a Phil Collins vs. Peter Gabriel face-off. So, for instance, I played "Against All Odds" followed by "In Your Eyes" and then decided the winner of that particular match. "Two Hearts" vs. "Solsbury Hill." "Another Day in Paradise" vs. "Digging in the Dirt." Etc. Anyway, Peter Gabriel won handily, except for whatever was up against "In the Air Tonight," which was unbelievably amazing.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 15:59 (7 years ago) Permalink

"Two Hearts" vs. "Solsbury Hill." "

!!!

You must have been stoned.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

Whatever, Alfred, I don't remember the match-ups!

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

Now "Steam" vs "You Can't Hurry Love" makes sense.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 16:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

Never a huge fan of either of these gentlemen (tho I know I should check out PG's first two; I like the third.) Geir's loyalty can be a bit hard to fathom: I think "Shock The Monkey" and "Big Time" are two of the most tuneless (& funkless for that matter) hits I've ever heard.

I can't tell which of the two is the better singer; I find their vocals equally unpleasant. Are their voices really that similar, or is just that they've both used those strange vocal-filter effects since as long as I can remember?

M. Agony Von Bontee (M. Agony Von Bontee), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 17:04 (7 years ago) Permalink

...in conclusion, PG would appear to get the nod from me (tho I'll take "Mama" and "ABACAB" and "Turn It On Again" over most any classic-era Genesis.)

M. Agony Von Bontee (M. Agony Von Bontee), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 17:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

Besides, has Phil Collins released versions of his records sung in German? I think not!

"Schaust du mich doch an,
Es gibt nur ein Leerraum..."

Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 20:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

1. Depends on whether you're in a "prog rock" or a "pop" mood. Shadings of prog rock are all over the early Collins-helmed Genesis albums but ultimately the albums stood or fell on the pop singles (what about Duke is memorable beyond "Misunderstanding" and "Turn It on Again"?).

2. As poppish ear candy, do "Two Hearts" or even "In the Air Tonight" trump "Solsbury Hill" or "Sledgehammer"? On the other hand, is Peter Gabriel 4/Security a perversely pop masterpiece? Is So too lush for its own good? The answer to these questions answers this question.

ffirehorse (firehorse), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 20:53 (7 years ago) Permalink

(what about Duke is memorable beyond "Misunderstanding" and "Turn It on Again"?)

Anything else. More or less. Those are the worst two tracks on the album. "Heathaze", "Duchess" and "Duke's Travels" all showcase a hint of what they used to be at their best though.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 23:21 (7 years ago) Permalink

Genesis from "Abacab" onwards were second rate Phil Collins-copycats, playing the material that was not considered good (or commercial) enough for Collins' solo albums.

Anything they did in the 70s, at least up to and including "Wind And Wuthering", was absolute genius though.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 23:23 (7 years ago) Permalink

A lot of the b-sides from the 1978-1982 era were great: "Evidence of Autumn" (magnificent song), "You Might Recall"...

Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 01:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

If you like music, you might find something that Genesis or PG did that you like.

If you don't really like music, you might buy a PC album. Could be swapped at any time for, say, Mike and the Mechanics, Hootie and the Blowfish, even Sting.

Melanie Cooper (pretends to understand), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 02:16 (7 years ago) Permalink

Phil Collins and Genesis during the 80s were mostly the same thing. Sounding completely alike, same sound, same kind of songs. His first three solo albums don't deserve all the shit they usually get. They are great, even though 70s Genesis is of course way better. 80s Genesis was second-rate Collins though.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 02:27 (7 years ago) Permalink


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