The strawman of the white, DJ Shadow/Jurassic 5 loving, university student hip-hop fan

"I wish I had a mic"

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The distasteful thing to me is if you start describing what you like as "real hip-hop" and that you don't like "rap" even if that's exactly what you're listening to. A lot of these "white, DJ Shadow/Jurassic 5 loving, university student hip-hop fan[s]" say they listen to hip-hop, not rap. It's the same situation as those cats who only like gangster rap who say anything that doesn't talk about clothes, bank roles, and hos isn't "real" either.

And I'm sure there are a ton of other people out there who listen to "real rock", "real country", and "real drum 'n bass". I find those people weird for the same reason.

Also, I like Shadow, RJD2, and J5 and even if that was the only hip-hop/rap you listened to, I'd still say that person liked "real hip-hop". I'd just take offense when they start describing Warren G as being without worth.

I actually must give some credit to pitchfork (heaven forbid) on actually speaking the truth that J5 must be one of the most borning bands on the planet, and that there are sum mainstream rappers with actual talent. The many-alt hip hop is just as negative as the gansta rap... if i hear one more time on how j5 is gonna take us back to the day.....!!!!

i'll let my good friend from outkast sum up 4 me
"met a critic, I made her shit her drawers
She said she thought hip-hop was only guns and alcohol
I said "Oh hell naw!" But yet it's that too
You can't discrimi-hate cause you done read a book or two"

T-minus 18 months to Arrested Development revival, y'all!

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:( RIP

Early attempt at trolling here, not really a classic.

Needed more steampunk

also needs to not be based on a previously professed love for j5

Firstly, yes, I like Jurassic 5. Woo-fucking-hoo.

Dom you said "I'm seriously interested on this one, and I have no real answers. Do discuss." and now you say it was "Early attempt at trolling here, not really a classic." How will we ever know if you are being disingenuous in the future?

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I'm seriously interested on this one, and I have no real answers.

^^^ An obsessive interest in researching scandal/gossip that's happened in the past, manifesting itself as revivals of old threads to highlight some post or statement that's supposedly funny or o_0 or whatever.

wtf guys i just wanted to big up an arrested development revival

HOOS I was ^^^ing gebbnab

In an age where hip-hop stars are regularly lambasted for inciting violence, misogyny and homophobia, and where a lot of the time this is true, it could be all too easy to slip into a jaded view of the whole genre. But by dismissing it out of hand, a whole world of musical pioneering could be missed - for every Ludacris there's a Mos Def, for every G-Unit there's a De La Soul. Hip-Hop can have something to say, and it can be as meaningful as any lyric sung by some misanthropic indie singer.

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still easier to take the piss out of the dj shadow fan (i dunno if this sort of fan still exists though, theyve probably moved onto clipse/wayne etc and regard their earlier 'corny' def jux/prefuse/rjd2 phase with embarassment) than the person who thinks lil boosie and plies are keeping the levels high.

theyve probably moved onto clipse/wayne etc and regard their earlier 'corny' def jux/prefuse/rjd2 phase with embarassment

haha yeah i think this is key. the new strawman regards jay-z playing glastonbury in 2008 as a great leap forward.

where does that blipster dude dom was blogging about fit into this?

I like DJ Shadow, sorry.

lol i think that blipster dude wants beef

Hot beef injection from Dom Passantino.

I d/led that DJ Shadow early stuff 4xCD sprawl about a month ago but haven't listened to any of it yet. I should get round to it really.

haha yeah i think this is key. the new strawman regards jay-z playing glastonbury in 2008 as a great leap forward.

Back in the day, we built our strawmen from people we saw walking round university campuses. Now we build them based on late twentysomethings we read on the internet.

pretty much, though i am still a student!

This kind of guy (generalise from your own experience) also listens to a set list of indie and IDM types, but you never hear indie fans complaining about how Super Furry Animals fans are ruining indie, or electronica types talking about "Yet _another_ Aphex Twin fan".

Haha RONG.

Yeah isn't Aphex Twin the signifier for someone claiming "I'm not really into that dance stuff, although I don't mind Come to Daddy?" Dance music for 6Music listeners. Again, I like Aphex Twin!

sopering point but this autumn's fresher intake were not born when aphex put out his first record, so they're not going to be invested in his work in quite the same way as us old lags.

sobering. hic.

Since it's not 1998 any more, you probably need to substitute Aphex Twin for The Bug or Burial or someone.

Actually this strawman still pops up in my head whenever I look at the Friday night listings for Fabric. These people will always exist, unless weed suddenly disappears from the surface of the earth.

I'm old, just not down with the hippy students any more.

Come To Daddy would be morelike the token pick for 'open minded'-but-not-really metal fans FWIW (Dillinger Escape Plan covered it for example)

good thread.

bring back the old Dom!

Amount of people who know I like hip-hop and have tried bringing up scroobius pip or whatever that shit is in the past 6 months: 7.

Amount of people who know I like hip-hop and have talked to me about Jurassic 5/Dj Shadow etc. ever: O.

Amount of people who have talked to me about Lil Wayne/T.I.: 1.

I hate only knowing students.

yikes, i just ran into the blog post that inspired this revive by accident.

A producer and a poet from Essex weren't the most likely candidates to become the saviours of intelligent hip-hop, but with Scroobius Pip's wit and biting social commentary backed up by Dan le Sac's 8-bit bleeps and beats, it's hard to disagree.

Should we invite that dude on her to defend himself?

unfortunate typo there robinho.

it really takes a lot to raise my ire these days when it comes to music, but le sac and pip do it every. single. time.

so yes let's get that blogger on here.

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...."scroobius pip?"