Devendra Banhart: "i see so many little boys I want to marry"

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Astral Weeks, anyone?

Steev (Steev), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 02:52 (twenty-two years ago) link

And all this time I thought Astral Weeks was Caucasian!

jedidiah (jedidiah), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:02 (twenty-two years ago) link

Perhaps more to the point, this song is rather boring.

mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:25 (twenty-two years ago) link

I always perceived "Run For Your Life" as Lennon, sick of Beatlemania, deliberately trying to push away their younger female audience.

darin (darin), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:28 (twenty-two years ago) link

four years pass...
Okay, you guys are going to have to help me out with this one. Devendra's new record isn't very good, I don't think, but it is fascinating, both because of his new fixations - spanish, f'rinstance, - and the way he's drifted yet further from the weirdo plicky-plucky stuff of his earliy work, ever closer to freak-show torch singer.

the reason I call you all into the room, though, isn't to talk about Cripple Crow (there will be time enough), but because this one song, "Little Boys", has baffled me.

I've put it up on YSI here. It may need a reseed.
link

It starts as a country waltzy thing, Devendra's tremolo gone almost Elvis-esque. He sings of "[sharing] a sleeping-bag" and "never be[ing] satisfied". And then the second half gets much peppier, still very retro, as we go into a yay peppy sing-along with these lyrics such as the following:

i see so many little boys I want to marry
i see plenty little kids i have yet to have

even when the moon goes out
even when the sea dries out
i still see so many
little boys i want to marry
i see plenty little kids i have yet to have, now

even when the seas all freeze
and everything is [???]
even when the sun ceases to shine
i won't care
i'll still have on my mind
so many
little boys i want to marry
i've seen plenty
of little kids i've yet to have

and in the shower
i get my dreaming done
i hold my breath and i wait for the day to come
oh little billy, little timmy, little jimmy, you're the one
i may not look it but i swear my heart is young

for so many
little boys i want to marry
[etc]

What's the deal here?! Is this merely 'quirkiness'? Is it about gay marriage? Is he pushing against the fallacy of the "confessional" singer-songwriter? Is he (ha) singing about Michael Jackson?

There's nothing creepy about the song, other than the lyrics; there's no narrative context, no frame.

Am I missing something? Any ideas for how the song can be read, other than as a celebration of paedophilia? I'm just a little bamboozled.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Sunday, 17 July 2005 21:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think anyone 'gets' what he's trying to do with this one...

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Sunday, 17 July 2005 21:36 (eighteen years ago) link

(Myself included)

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Sunday, 17 July 2005 21:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe it's about his muse, someone who travelled the world for thirty years while living in a dogcart, according to the New York Times.

George Smith, Sunday, 17 July 2005 21:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I was hoping this was another Common-style sexual lifestyle quote.

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Sunday, 17 July 2005 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Isn't anyone going to do a Michael Jackson joke?

Michael Costello (MichaelCostello1), Sunday, 17 July 2005 22:33 (eighteen years ago) link

yes

RJG (RJG), Sunday, 17 July 2005 22:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Isn't anyone going to do a Michael Jackson joke?

The main poster did?

Will M. (Will M.), Monday, 18 July 2005 01:48 (eighteen years ago) link

are u tryin to say there aren't a lot of little boys u don't want to marry?

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:13 (eighteen years ago) link

he wrote these lyrics so someone would start an ILM thread on it

breezy, Monday, 18 July 2005 02:26 (eighteen years ago) link

th song was actually written on a long car ride to Montreal.I was discussing how Starbucks was selling Starbucks-only content and makin new coffee drinkers fall in love w acoustic Alanis and Devendra said he wanted to write a song that would ensure that they would never loop his record during work hours while obese sugar addicts loaded up on caramel brownies and free range cookies

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:30 (eighteen years ago) link

are u tryin to say there aren't a lot of little boys u don't want to marry?

No. I mean, yes. Wait...what?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:49 (eighteen years ago) link

" both because of his new fixations - spanish, f'rinstance"..
...isn't th dood venuezuelan or sum shit..i dont think that wood count as a fixation.more like genetic and geographic predisopisziniosn and shit

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Monday, 18 July 2005 03:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, this may be a stretch, but here's a possible interpretation...

Is it possible that he's saying, "I see so many boys who I want get married?" As in, "I see so many boys I want to marry [off]."

Possible? If it is, the song would be more of a celebration of love/marriage rather than paedophilia.

I won't try to argue this is what he's saying. Only that it's a possibility.

Mickey (modestmickey), Monday, 18 July 2005 03:16 (eighteen years ago) link

" gay marriage" and "pedophilia" are separate topics- I don't see the link between the two-

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Monday, 18 July 2005 05:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Wait, who said anything about "gay marriage?"

Super Cub (Debito), Monday, 18 July 2005 05:09 (eighteen years ago) link

i mention it as a possible (but unlikely) interpretation; if there wasn't the repeated mention of "little", it would be an easy inference.

and obv there's no connection between pedophilia and gay marriage, except in interpreting lyrics about "marrying boys"!

sean gramophone (Sean M), Monday, 18 July 2005 05:59 (eighteen years ago) link

bannahart is a flaming homo. i've known this for some time.

sdfdsgf, Monday, 18 July 2005 07:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Sorry, but what's the debate again? I mean, the song is quite clearly about, or sung from the point of view of a man who likes young boys. The meaning of the song is not to me per se baffling, although I guess the implications, etc could be.

brittle-lemon (brittle-lemon), Monday, 18 July 2005 08:09 (eighteen years ago) link

You're right, brittle lemon, that there's probably not much to think about in terms of 'understanding' the song. (My last lines about interpretation were just late night floundering.) My main question is really "What's the deal here?!", ie, yeah, the implications/motivations. To me it was just a startling song, sung without pretense or context, and left me wondering what was going on. (see: understanding Fiery Furnaces song-cycles, misogyny in rock/hip-hop, beatles "what do you see when you turn out the light? / i can't tell you but i know it's mine.")

sean gramophone (Sean M), Monday, 18 July 2005 09:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Little boys, and kids I guess, doesn't have to be underage (age of consent = 16 in uk), cf "thank heaven for leetle girls"

Masked Gazza, Monday, 18 July 2005 09:15 (eighteen years ago) link

For precisely the reason that it starts "police enquiry" threads like this one, the song's Lorca-like image has a refreshing charge of freedom and repressed truth. "Of course little boys would be nice to marry!" one thinks, in the same way one might think "That baby is so cute I want to eat it up".

Momus (Momus), Monday, 18 July 2005 09:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I just think that we needn't, or shouldn't look past the "simple" (on one literal level) possibility that it is really a song from the point of view of a pedophile (ie I didn't mean to be churlish).

As for the implications: is it "shocking"? I guess the subject is somewhat so. Is it an especially interesting take on the subject? Not to me, if the criteria here is whether the song gives us "new insight" into what motivates pedophilia. But maybe that's not the place of a song anyway.

By the way, am I the only one who, prompted by the riff, wants to burst into "I Will Follow Him" during the second half of the song? Actually, maybe that's appropriate ("I LOVE HIM! I LOVE HIM! AND WHERE HE GOES I'LL FOLLOW!!")

Frankly, I'm more appalled by his version of Antony's "Fistful of love."

brittle-lemon (brittle-lemon), Monday, 18 July 2005 09:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, how many (pseudo-)pedophiliac songs are there out there? George Michael's "Father Figure"? Heaven 17's "Come Live With Me" ("I am 37/You were 17/You were half my age/The youth I'd never seen")?

brittle-lemon (brittle-lemon), Monday, 18 July 2005 09:47 (eighteen years ago) link

"in the same way one might think "That baby is so cute I want to eat it up"."

Baby Eater!!!

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 18 July 2005 09:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Momus may have the point, although I have yet to see a boy that cute, they're orrible things...

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 18 July 2005 10:06 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, momus's argument is simple and convincing.

that said, i think there's a clear difference of degree between that Heaven 17 tune and a happy-go-round song whose centre is the chorus "i see plenty little kids i have yet to have!"

this song would be better if it was "i will follow him".

sean gramophone (Sean M), Monday, 18 July 2005 10:19 (eighteen years ago) link

creeeeeeepy. i mean, just how "little" is this girl:

"Well, I'd rather see you dead, little girl,
Than to be with another man.
You better keep your head, little girl,
Or you won't know where I am.

You better run for your life if you can, little girl;
Hide your head in the sand, little girl;
Catch you with another man,
That's the end, little girl.

Well, you know that I'm a wicked guy
And I was born with a jealous mind
And I can't spend my whole life tryin'
Just to make you tow the line.

You better run for your life if you can, little girl;
Hide your head in the sand, little girl;
Catch you with another man,
That's the end, little girl.

Let this be a sermon,
I mean everything I've said.
Baby, I'm determined
That I'd rather see you dead.

You better run for your life if you can, little girl;
Hide your head in the sand, little girl;
Catch you with another man,
That's the end, little girl.

I'd rather see you dead, little girl,
Than to be with another man.
You better keep your head, little girl,
Or you won't know where I am.

You better run for your life if you can, little girl;
Hide your head in the sand, little girl;
Catch you with another man,
That's the end, little girl.

Na, na, na.
Na, na, na.
Na, na, na."

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 18 July 2005 10:44 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah scott - run for your life has always been a terrifying song to me. but then so is that enrique iglesias song about running and hiding and yet not being able to escape his "love". xpost

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Monday, 18 July 2005 10:51 (eighteen years ago) link

"Little Girl" = "Baby" back in the early sixties.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:22 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, i know. still creepy though. i was actually more creeped out by my 45 of lou christie's top 40 rape-fantasy "Lightning Strikes" when I was a kid. and as far as the beatles went, nothing beat that dead dog's custardy eye for me.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:28 (eighteen years ago) link

yup it is a bizarre song.

its like rockabilly....

hey dan, i'll get the link fixed tomorrow. sorry about that. still haven't got the box set but looking forward to it.

i love the devendra banhart album. its cool. its so messy i love that quality about it.

doomie x, Monday, 18 July 2005 13:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Oooh, obtuse lyricism! Controversial imagery! Sexual overtones! This isn't music -- this is utter perversion!

Rob Uptight (Rob Uptight), Monday, 18 July 2005 17:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Isn't anyone going to do a Michael Jackson joke?

OK. What's black and comes in a little white can?

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 18 July 2005 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link


Young girl, get out of my mind
My love for you is way out of line
Better run, girl,
You're much too young, girl
With all the charms of a woman
You've kept the secret of your youth
You led me to believe
You're old enough
To give me Love
And now it hurts to know the truth, Oh,
Beneath your perfume and make-up
You're just a baby in disguise
And though you know
That it is wrong to be
Alone with me
That come on look is in your eyes, Oh,
So hurry home to your mama
I'm sure she wonders where you are
Get out of here
Before I have the time
To change my mind
'Cause I'm afraid we'll go too far, Oh,
Young girl

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 18 July 2005 20:19 (eighteen years ago) link

looks like the ILX servers took a trip back in time there between the MJ joke and Van Morrison...

jedidiah (jedidiah), Monday, 18 July 2005 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Is Devendra Banhart a Sufi?

scott, I'm not totally comfortable with your comparison to "little girl." Is it really the same? Is "little boy" used as commonly when someone (male or female) is talking about a male love interest as "little girl" is (or maybe was?--I can't say I hear it very often)? Just because it's the flip side doesn't mean it's conotations are going to be symmetrical. I'm raising the question, though, I'm not saying I know how commonly it might be used. It does sound familiar the way "little girl" does.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 18 July 2005 20:42 (eighteen years ago) link

it isn't used as commonly, rockist. devendra definitely wants to raise eyebrows. which is fine. i just like to cut & paste lyrics.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 18 July 2005 22:06 (eighteen years ago) link

barn raising
pants raising
raisin smuggling( deans planet nom de nipple erections)
smug raison
razed eyebrowz
hair(less) raisins in th sun dappled by dew

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Monday, 18 July 2005 22:23 (eighteen years ago) link

"Children, behave!"
That's what they say when we're together.
"And watch how you play!"
They don't understand.
And so we're running just as fast as we can,
Holding on to one another's hands.
Trying to get away into the night,
And then you put your arms around me
and we tumble to the ground,
And then you say, "I think we're alone now.
There doesn't seem to be anyone around.
I think we're alone now.
The beating of our hearts is the only sound."
Look at the way
We gotta hide what we're doing.
Cause what would they say
If they ever knew?
And so we're running just as fast as we can,
Holding on to one another's hands.
Trying to get away into the night,
And then you put your arms around me
and we tumble to the ground,
And then you say, "I think we're alone now.
There doesn't seem to be anyone around.
I think we're alone now.
The beating of our hearts is the only sound."
"I think we're alone now.
There doesn't seem to be anyone around.
I think we're alone now.
The beating of our hearts is the only sound."

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Monday, 18 July 2005 22:29 (eighteen years ago) link

"How is working with a full band different from recording solo?

Banhart: This isn't the stoned jam record I will someday make in Portland, or the space reggae vibe fest it coulda been. It was... well, "what do you hear on this one?" and so we found that sound. We had a lot of help finding musicians from Dan Bunny from the great The BunnyBrains."

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 03:58 (eighteen years ago) link

jeez, it's gotta be a mess. now i wanna hear it.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 03:59 (eighteen years ago) link

nice pix, danny:

http://www.billtmiller.com/bunnybrains/

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 04:00 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah guess im fine w the whole lets redefine little, thing

007 (thoia), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 04:16 (eighteen years ago) link

or marry haha

007 (thoia), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 04:16 (eighteen years ago) link

ts boys vs kids

007 (thoia), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 04:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not sure what exactly, but something tells me that this Devendra song is about a pedeophile. It's hard to tell though because of the subtlety involved, but I have a suspicion.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 04:35 (eighteen years ago) link

showers be ambiguous!

007 (thoia), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 04:42 (eighteen years ago) link

its definitely, obviously, no doubt about it.. about pedophelia, for sure. not that you'll take my word, but i'm not sure what else he has to say? its pretty blatant, so mabye we want to make it more complicated to hopefully..obscure the meaning? p.s. -gay marriage comment had me laughing.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 05:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Perhaps more to the point, this song is rather boring.

Spoke too soon, this is growing on me.

mcd (mcd), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 16:24 (eighteen years ago) link

it could be that scott is closer than it seems with the "little girl" bit.

plain swapping boy for girl and then not really changing things otherwise may be simple gender based word play. its interesting to wonder who'd be paying attention at all if he'd used the well worn "little girl" phrase.

Nancy Sinatra swaps in boy in her version of "Run for Your Life" and noone's after her for it. of course, in that case we have yr standard heterosexual heirarchy in place. That make's this whole discussion seem to be overly concerned with sex side of it. If joanna newsome, say wrote this would there be such a discussion.

given devendras perfomrmances as abra and obvious lack of concern for gender rules and his stated interest in writing songs that exist more like old standards or folk songs, i think too much reading into his motives here is easily too much

b b, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:34 (eighteen years ago) link

from what I've heard of this album sampler and "Little Boys," I quite enjoy the direction Devendra Banhart has taken. Some of these songs sound have a live, spontaneous feeling, and it works. I did enjoy Nino and RITH, and seeing him live was great, too. He put on quite a show.

white boi, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:54 (eighteen years ago) link


Gary Puckett clearly has control issues, if you've listened to his oeuvre. Lou Christie is more into hystrionics.

crown victoria (dymaxia), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 01:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Might just be an absurdist thing. What if he substituted the word "frogs" or "serpents" for "boys" . Total psyche move.

mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 12:36 (eighteen years ago) link

i listened to "michigan state" last night and it made me really sad.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 12:54 (eighteen years ago) link

ach, i think i'm wrong. after listening to the delivery being so 60's ish etc, it does sounds sorta like a "little girl" thing. but he's also trying hard to sound creepy, so...it seems fairly ambiguous. and i think this is somewhat of a tiny tim rip-off. and was also just bored with it in general.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 21 July 2005 01:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Here you go, Devendra. Just swap "Irene" with "Ian":

I asked your mother for you
She told me that you was too young
I wish to the Lord I’d never seen your face
or heard your lying tongue
Irene goodnight, Irene goodnight
Goodnight Irene, Goodnight Irene

rd, Thursday, 21 July 2005 02:28 (eighteen years ago) link


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