Crazy Psychedelia (Helios Creed, Butthole Surfers and...?)

Some of the really fringey stoner bands went into this area. Nova Driver, maybe, Roach Motel. Only individual cuts from them do all right with me but if you can find CDs for cheap, they might be worth a couple to three bucks.

Perhaps you would like The Deviants' "Ptoof!" and third records.

Oh, Jeff Pincus had a band called Daddy Longhead that put out a decent record too.

Residual Echoes' s/t album on Holy Mountain (www.holymountain.com) might hit your sweet spot, too.

I got that Psychic Paramount thing, and it seemed like a knockoff of Acid Mothers Temple's Electric Heavyland that didn't quite get there.

novadriver weren't "craaaazy" though. i like that void album too. i wouldn't even call it psych. more stonergroove. didn't they do an aerosmith cover?

i didn't think too much of daddy long legs.
i never did pick up Gibby Haynes and His Problem...
heard some tracks...ok...nothing great.

13th Flr. are great though, if you don't mind the ELECTRIC JUG!!!

Roach Powder, Tee Pee or Small Stone. Started off with the "Me so horny" sample from "Full Metal Jacket," I think.

Also search anything by Vas Deferens Organization.

keep an eye out for crude's refute-a-myth society, part of the ectstatic yod 'center of the ass run series,' and most of his 7" releases. chrome would be one of his major influences, i'd guess. slightly more pop-oriented and less noisy and weird, inner city guitar perspectives is keen.

this guy's 6th 6th 6th album is worth mentioning, too. and what the hell, look for the oliver song "cat and the rat" from his album standing stone.

X-Rated Fairy Tales

Superior Catholic Finger

The Last Laugh

Boxing the Clown

Lactating Purple

Busting Through the Van Allen Belt

"The Last Laugh" and "Boxing The Clown" are pretty great and coincidentally hard to find. I think out of print for a long time now. Vinyl on Ebay. But, you could start with the double album put out as one CD, "X-Rated Fairy Tales and Superior Catholic Finger," which is actually very Chrome-y. It was actually put out boxed with a new "Chrome" cd (minus Damen) and a bonus disc (3 cds) for $25 or something. If you can still find that, it's probably worth it since it's technically 4 albums all together.

Like I said, I like all the Helios Creed stuff. I've paid hefty prices just to hear his rare stuff, then I just transfer it to CD, scan the artwork and sell it again. The HC stuff is all basically the same formula using whatever musicians or electronics he can pull together. The poor guy lived in a bus for a while and still managed to put out consistently great stuff. As one of Ned's review says, "anyone not convinced by his art won't be swayed here, anyone who loves it will enjoy this." This is my opinion and shared by my friends who like Helios Creed. You might have a friend that really likes them and you just don't know because I've had that happen twice. People get all surprised that you've heard of him and get all excited. Next question is usually, "Do you have [rare album they're dying to hear]?" Just don't buy Nugg The Transport or Dark Matter II.

"I FOCUSED...
The MAGNIFYING GLASS...
That caused the downfall of ICARUS!"

My favorite title so far from the Sun City Girls Website:

Master Musicians Of Bukkake
(Abduction 029, 2004)
The Visible Sign of the Invisible Order

Hahahahahaha!

or, if you want to go in a another direction check out Loop's Fade Out. Great LP.

I've always preferred Heaven's End out of all the Loop albums. Love everything by Loop, though (except maybe Brittle Head Girl).

Pretties For You and Easy Action.

I know these albums are received pretty poorly by most ILMatics, so apologies for the bummer again, but I mean if we're mentioning early F Lips... "Ceilin' Is Bendin'" is a ripoff of Alice's "Levity Ball" thru and thru.

http://www.charnel.com/charnel/releases.html

the label went out of business a while back, but they seem to still be selling the first three gravitar releases for $7 each postpaid.

and in the red also put out stuff by the necessary evils, which might kinda sorta fit this thread.

the new album i got is nuts.

This is standard stoner rock, not crazy psychedelia. It sounds nothing like Helios Creed or Butthole Surfers. Jeez. It doesn't even sound psychedelic at all. But, it's pretty cool stoner rock, so I am not too disappointed. Although the Che and Mondo Generator album I picked up at the same time kick its ass up and down the street.

To all the people who said Bunnybrains:

Yeah, this is close to some of the Butthole Surfers sounds except for one thing: the songs suck, the production sucks and, over all the discs, the plan seems to be one riff that goes nowhere with monotonous singing over it or else pointless noise with spoken word skits and samples. This is really quite terrible. And not terrible in a way that makes it interesting.

To all the people who said Gravitar:

Man, I hope you know what you're talking about. It should be here soon. I got it through mail order.

Ed Hall & Sun City Girls:

I've heard these names several times before, so I'm inclined to believe it is some pretty good psychedelic garage (if I'm remembering correctly). Does it really sound anything like Butthole Surfers or Helios Creed? It doesn't have to sound that much like them, but Bunnybrains and Roach Powder sound nothing like them.

Do the rest of the Gravitar albums sound like this? Do Sun City Girls or Ed Hall sound anything like this?

so, am i alone in preferring Kaliflower by far to the inexplicably overrated Torch of the Mystics? could be because the Girls' ethnic forgeries here remind me very much of Michael Snow's The Last LP, an all-time fave. but all the other stuff - even the boho beatnik tirade of "X+Y=Fuck You" and the hashedelic psychjazz jams - just adds up to a semicohesive whole. and how often can you say that about SCG?

no! "inexplicably overrated" describes my feelings towards TotM exactly; even libyan dream, which i gather is outtakes from around the same period, is better.

my personal favorite is the second disc of 330,003 crossdressers, but kaliflower's good.

yes (for the most part). now the road of knives was recorded and mixed with the aid of warn defever (his name is alive/princess dragon-mom) if i recall, there's a lot of experimentation and collage work going on. chinga su corazon is def. "broken flag worship" but more spun out and fuckl'd, gravitaravitar more concise and punchy and the later albums stretch out and get more into improvisation but never lose the drive and acidic edge...

i'd recommend getting gravitaravitar (the 2nd album) next, then you must first learn to draw the real.

also, the gravitar webpage.

Yeah, this is close to some of the Butthole Surfers sounds except for one thing: the songs suck, the production sucks and, over all the discs, the plan seems to be one riff that goes nowhere with monotonous singing over it or else pointless noise with spoken word skits and samples. This is really quite terrible. And not terrible in a way that makes it interesting."

hahahahahahahahahahahah------suckerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

That's outrageous. There are at least two Farflung LPs on eMusic, very reasonably priced for download.

-- dan bunnybrain (bunnybrai...), July 12th, 2005.

I wouldn't get too excited. I didn't actually buy your stinkin' CD. I listened to it at Virgin. You know, that sound scan thing actually has long samples of every single track on that box set! You might want to rethink that! If I had only heard a few songs and some of them seemed alright, I might have bought it. But, I kept listening and I kept hearing shit. I listened to every single one and I'm not sure if they were really long samples or if they just seemed really long because the music was so annoying, but it was bad enough that I didn't even buy the box when I saw it on sale used for $10.99. I would probably buy it for $5.99 just to watch the DVD and see what the hell was up with you guys.

How come when you got a decent groove going, you were satisfied with just the one? Psychedelic music isn't supposed to be a punishment, even if it is grating and hellish.

and what the hell is that about?!

i took a musical journey tonight that started innocently with Big Black, devolved into a little Rapeman, then some Jesus Lizard, followed by a little Scratch Acid, then Helios Creed, then Butthole Surfers. inspired by this thread, maybe I'll throw on some Gravitar next. But i think my gf is getting annoyed...

I'm kinda interested in some of the bands that weren't completely fitting Goodbye Brian's search. That band Crust mentioned above are good, or at least the one album I have is. Over the last year I've had the occasional morning ritual of listening to that album followed by the God Bullies record Dog Show (also only one I have).

Not sure how much either belong next to Helios/Chrome or the Butthole Surfers by the Crazy Psychedelia criteria. But anyway, what should I search / destroy re that sorta stuff? Is there another thread I should look for? Should I just seek out the weirder stuff in amrep's catalog? Give the Pain Teens another shot? Who is Ed Hall?

I think it's the more acrid / less psychedelic nature of the weirdness in both the bands, the dumb religious paranoia shticks (or whatever). Um. I'll come back and try to make more sense of this when I'm not eyeballin my pillow and blanket so hard. Thanks dudes!

trance syndicate discography

new compilation called Psychedelica Three is out soon - double disc of stuff by bands i've never heard of, but sounds dead nice.

The first Mike Gunn LP, Hemp for Victory (Tom Carter pre-Charalambides stuff) slots in well to GB's orginal search criteria. Sludgy, 70s groovy, psychedelic, noisy/sloppy, metal informed but not by-the-numbers "stoner rock" -- that's what I figure we're going for here.

Same with the Born in Blood-era Pain Teens stuff. Lotta Texas psych, actually -- ST-37 too. Love the relatively recent Down On us LP, but maybe that's a bit too sedate. Crazy-ass early records are hard to track down. Lithium X-Mas?

F/i, definitely: Space Mantra especially. Recently reissued on CD, probably still around.

Maybe too stoner-ish, but I really love the very early Monster Magnet stuff in much the same way that I love Chrome and the Butthole Surfers: "Lizard Johnny" single, debut EP, Tab EP. Spine of God, too, though that's starting to stray farther into straight-up freedom rock.

Monoshock's Walk Into the Fire and the singles comp enthusiastically seconded, with the caveat that the touchstones here are more like Stooges/Hawkwind. And while you're at it, Fucks the Sky and Hauls Ass by Liquorball. Basically the same band (I think), but without the heavy rawk song structures. Super lo-fi and fucked up, but awesome. Plus also Hawkwind. Space Ritual. Which probably goes without saying, but whatever.

Also Gravitar also seconded also. Whatever you can get.

More Stuffs:

Skullflower - IIIrd Gatekeeper
Nachtmystium - Instinct/Decay (but none of the other stuff, not in this context)
Yob - anything, I like Catharsis
Ufomammut - Godlike Snake, etc.
Steel Pole Bathtub - Lurch, and Butterfly Love
Oddball 70s stuff: Debris', Simply Saucer, Electric Eels
And it's hard to imagine that some of the classic stoner doom/drone stuff wouldn't appeal to anyone into this kind of thing in general: Sleep, Lysol-era Melvins, early Boris, Heads, Sun Dial, Electric Wizard, etc.

what he said and reiterating:

halo of flies - headburn 12"

Mercury Rev- Yourself Is Steam

old: Pain Teens
new: Gnaw Their Tongues

Maybe the recent London band Mollusc will manage to sound like they'd fit here on record> i was pretty impressed by them live.

I'm still looking for some live stuff by New Kingdom who I thought would be getting more & more like a black Chrome had they continued.

Odd bands like Terminal Cheesecake spring to mind too

i think the thing that always impressed me about the buttholes in particular was their ability to work "taboo" subject matter, toilet humour, hallucinatory ramblings, and freaky production techniques into a POP song. for some, but not all of those reasons, i think a lot of pavement is closer to prime buttholes than say.. boris or corrupted are.
best bits of bob pollard et al's circus devils compare favourably ( ataxia, ringworm interiors, five, mother skinny )

can anyone recommend me any ST 37 albums? I was looking for a copy of Glare on compact disc but that looks like that isn't going to happen...

nobody?

probably teaching y'all how to suck eggs, but thinking further i'm hearing the buttholes in:
Caroliner: strike them hard, rear end hernia puppet show, signatures banknotes, sabre waving saracen wall, rise of the common woodpile, cooking stove beast ( no jimi style guitar solos - hillbilly church organ & fiddle with helium voices, monster growls, caveman drums & lobotomised stephen hanley basslines).
bob drake: what day is it, little black train, 13 songs and a thing, the skull mailbox & other horrors, medallion animal carpet ( caroliner meets yes );
neil young: live rust ( Ok so maybe some of the songs here are played out / over familiar, but there's something about those spot on harmony backing vox vs the incredibly scrappy guitar on this that works in that way ).
the books: maybe homourless, but quaint matmos-y laptop glitch meets banjo & found dialogue snippet action. singing, tunes, songs, sweetness ( so if those things put you off...)
asa chang & junray: tsu gi ne pu: tabla, electronic gamelan, silly pop songs.
the red krayola: maybe too artsy / arch, but "father abraham" & "T(I,II)" and many others from their "chicago" period are super psychedelic art rock.
A.r.kane's "sperm travels like juggernaut" or the cocteau twins "ups" despite lack of toilet homour & distorted guitars have a buttholes-like low-slung waltzy feel that fits right in here.
hampton grease band "music to eat" long OOP but up on a million blogspots - beefhearty goofy blues / jazz rock with ranting & found lyrics.
nnck ( no neck blues band ): while their Godz-y improv rock is limited in scope, the caveman rituals captured on some of their recordings is grand and certainly more colourful / varied than whatever sludgy doom metal usually gets classified as buttholesy - maybe try "qvaris" & "letters from the serth";
and if you'd like some crosseyed electronica to complement your jackofficers lp, maybe try steve fisk's "over & thru the night" & "448 deathless days" - found sound & wonky ambient rock instrumentals, and herbie hancock's "sound system" crosseyed afrofusionist fairlightisms, & maybe material's "memory serves" - no-wavey 80's pop-rock-funk with sonny sharrock & fred frith on guitar.
harvey milk: "special wishes" commonly referred to as melvinsy but super epic (& sometimes poppy)downtuned rawk.
leary's cut on the "guitarrorists" compilation is awesome, helios creed's is OK in a martian pastoralia kinda way, albini's is embarrassing. the rest is "meh";
circle - finnish hypno rockers - i'd say seek "katapult", "tulikoira", "rautatie", & "triumph".
& pere ubu's "chinese radiation" is probably everything "jonny smoke" should have been, minus the playground humour.
of course there's a million bands working the "comb" / aggro / sludge side of the buttholes (punch "butthole" into the aquarius records search engine ), violent students / twin stumps / clockcleaner / rusted shut / tia carrere et al. but i feel like they're missing the ineffable "otherworldy" aspect i always got from the prime buttholes stuff.
oh and if you don't hate pop - flaming lips " transmissions..." & "clouds taste metallic" - colourful, bottom heavy records with some squealing guitar.
i dunno - see how you go.

Any new bands influenced by Chrome/Helios Creed/Butthole Surfers?

oh and I saw to D.A.M's request upthread btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdRhfF3GAQ

one of my all time favorite threads

I think New KIngdom were moving in a direction that had them sounding like a Black CHrome, so am wondering what th e3rd lp would have sounded like. Could be the Lumberjacks' production mixed with samples of early 70s heaviosity but I'm defrinitely getting taht idea from listening to them.
So Paradise Don't Come Cheap might be worth looking at, probably even more so if anybody turned up any live material by them since they played live with a band, not just a dj.

I've tried to turn noise rock dudes onto New Kingdom, it never seems to work. I just kind of need everyone on earth to understand how great they are.

If u like butthole surfers or some trippy,weird shit make sure to check these bands:
Alice Donut,Boredoms,captain beefheart,cherubs,chrome,the mike gunn,cows,crust,ed hall,fuckemos,meat beat manifesto,mr bungle,pain teens,residents,royal trux,star pimp,steel pole bath tub,sweet pea,brutal juice,bunny brains,ohm,the bevis frond,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwZg6evdZbA

<3 this thread

New ST 37 album I'm Not Good is very much in this vein. Also on Spotify!

ST37 is touring with Acid Mothers Temple

I know! I hope to catch them in Detroit at the end of April!

That was a rad show btw

https://youtu.be/h_TT0MuVNB0

This might legit be better than anything the Buttholes or Chrome or Hawkwind has ever done. Listening to it makes me feel like 1) my brain is completely anesthetized and 2) my brain is on fire.

That was v cool, so wonky & fucked & chill

http://degreaser1.bandcamp.com/

How about Degreaser? Reminds me a little bit of High Rise etc, with some early Human Eye style vocals. Maybe a little bit of "Guitars from Agadez" influence.