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When did Billy Corgan turn into Raffi?

Someone let me know.

Michael Costello (MichaelCostello1), Friday, 3 June 2005 01:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

2001, as evidenced by the below news story:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/sns-bozo-withcorgan-jpg,1,12993.photo?coll=chi-nonmmxent-utl

John Justen (johnjusten), Friday, 3 June 2005 01:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

Rah!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 June 2005 01:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

Wow, At least I know now.

Thanks John Justen. You are truely one of God's Great Warriors.

Michael Costello (MichaelCostello1), Friday, 3 June 2005 01:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

He works through me...I am merely his snarky, ill-tempered servant.

John Justen (johnjusten), Friday, 3 June 2005 01:47 (9 years ago) Permalink

Best sentence about Billy Corgan ever follows in 3...2...1....

""May God bless and keep you always/ May your wishes all come true/ May you always do for others/ And let others do for you," Corgan sang as he glanced around the studio, eyeing the colorful props and sharing smiles with Wizzo the Wizard."

From our friends at MTV. Full article:

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1444464/20010613/smashing_pumpkins.jhtml

John Justen (johnjusten), Friday, 3 June 2005 01:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

man, you kids are so jaded. so what if he likes Bozo the Clown? didn't you watch Powerangers or something?

shookout (shookout), Friday, 3 June 2005 02:15 (9 years ago) Permalink

I didn't watch Power Rangers. I watched Freakazoid and Angry Beavers

Michael Costello (MichaelCostello1), Friday, 3 June 2005 02:20 (9 years ago) Permalink

I repeat:

", Corgan sang as he glanced around the studio, eyeing the colorful props and sharing smiles with Wizzo the Wizard."

How can you not feel the love for this sentence-fragment? Embrace it, make it your own...

I'm a Speedbuggy man myself.

John Justen (johnjusten), Friday, 3 June 2005 06:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

I'm not jaded, shookout. I'm bitter that I never got a chance to share smiles with Wizzo the Wizard. In a purely platonic sense, of course...

John Justen (johnjusten), Friday, 3 June 2005 06:57 (9 years ago) Permalink

So uh, what do people think of his new album?

Narayan, Saturday, 4 June 2005 02:52 (9 years ago) Permalink

I really don't like it, But my Brother (That One Guy) loves it.

Michael Costello (MichaelCostello1), Saturday, 4 June 2005 02:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

Bozo the Clown has a new album out?

I really have to start to pay more attention to the new release charts...

John Justen (johnjusten), Saturday, 4 June 2005 03:04 (9 years ago) Permalink

Oh it won't be on the charts! :D

Anyway, as a long time Smashing Pumpkins/Corgan fan who tries not to let sucha fact cloud his judgement, I have to say that this album is thoroughly a hit and miss affair. It has IMO one really great song (The Camera Eye), four or five solid songs, with the rest being a mix of below average or absolutely atrocious. Right now I'd give it around a 6 or 7 out of 10, which may move up or down once I've given it more of a listen.

Anyway, it at least gives me hope that his next solo album could be great...actually ffs, REUNITE THE PUMPKINS, SLUT!!!

Narayan, Saturday, 4 June 2005 04:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

I gave it a 2 out of 10.

The lowest rating I did so far.

I like Billy Baby but he's not good anymore. You feel me?

Michael Costello (MichaelCostello1), Saturday, 4 June 2005 05:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

3 years pass...

I saw a ridic pink racing car with two (2!) spoilers (one on top of the other), with a glittery SP heart logo on every window. On the back window, in old English lettering, it said "LADY CORGAN."

fillibustar superstar! (Abbott), Monday, 13 April 2009 21:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

Sounds about right.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 April 2009 21:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

Oh man, really? How so? I thought it was an unusual collision of worlds, but maybe I am not up on his fanbase.

fillibustar superstar! (Abbott), Monday, 13 April 2009 21:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

It's the goth thing from what I can tell.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 April 2009 22:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

Wait, was it Tila Tequila?

Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Monday, 13 April 2009 22:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

hahaha jaymc

It looked like a chola car, Ned, not a gothics thing.

fillibustar superstar! (Abbott), Monday, 13 April 2009 22:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

Not that there isn't overlap, I guess. (I think the two combined use 70% of the nation's eyeliner.)

fillibustar superstar! (Abbott), Monday, 13 April 2009 22:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

Based on his various appearances at the Sky Saxon tribute show last night:

1) his Little Rascals/Jughead fashion sense is one of the smarter choices he's made (or is that Huntz Hall he's inspired by?)

2) did a lot of different things with ease -- led the Spirits in the Sky pickup group through three songs (full set on YouTube), appeared for a guitar solo on one Electric Prunes number, joined Djin Aquarian of YaHoWha13 to play bass and sung lead on "Can't Seem To Make You Mine" at the end of the night.

3) provided further evidence for my theory that's actually happiest on stage (and probably in general) when he's not struggling with his own expectations and/or ego. The three happiest and most relaxed times I've seen him perform were 2000 (earlier that day he announced the band's breakup and probably just felt he could take it easy), 2001 (the second Zwan show, just after the first and therefore beyond those expectations) and last night, where he was a featured performer but not the center of attention. So last night was a lot of humor, gawkiness, shy smiles, etc.

And the new song that he debuted with the Spirits in the Sky was pretty good!

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 July 2009 21:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

not bad for a dead man

velko, Saturday, 25 July 2009 21:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

Maybe it was a clone.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 25 July 2009 21:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

dudes!
billy corgan: puppeteer

graaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaave architecture (jdchurchill), Tuesday, 27 October 2009 20:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

Somehow not surprising.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 October 2009 21:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

Can someone photoshop this into Being Billy Corgan?

StanM, Tuesday, 27 October 2009 21:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

that pic looks like this cover by german band

jaxon, Wednesday, 9 December 2009 20:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

The "I Think That I'm In Love with You" v.s. "Disarm" mash-up should be made any day now to celebrate this absurd pair.

Cunga, Thursday, 17 December 2009 18:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

ok that close up of corgan's face made me lol. "WHAT HAVE I DONE."

tylerw, Thursday, 17 December 2009 18:39 (5 years ago) Permalink

"he's too old for her

looks more like he's stalking her than dating her"

lolol

Cunga, Thursday, 17 December 2009 19:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

he looks more like billy drago with each passing year

you are wrong I'm bone thugs in harmon (omar little), Thursday, 17 December 2009 19:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

krampus activities (latebloomer), Friday, 18 December 2009 01:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

lol

The new Pumpkins song is actually not surprisingly not horrible. The drumming sucks, but thats to be expected when you replace Jimmy Chamberlain with a 19 year old. I really dig the guitar solo. So much better than the Zeitgeist stuff.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 18 December 2009 01:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

The Grunge Book? Photo of 'ol SP? HORRIBLE. You'd think we were unattractive trolls...coming off digging for truffles in shit.
about 3 hours ago via txt

Billy
Billy Corgan

markers, Monday, 26 July 2010 18:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

confirming, in case there was any doubt, that it was NOT a stage move.

call all destroyer, Monday, 26 July 2010 18:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

wow there is a decent chunk of crazy there

# Soon the governments in western nations will be changing the temperatures in your home over-riding your control, all in the name of green BS 7:47 AM Jul 24th via txt

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jaymc won $5800 on day 1! (HI DERE), Monday, 26 July 2010 18:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

My parents (74 years old) live in northern CA, and my dad was ranting about this temp-control thing in their house.

gato busca pleitos (Eazy), Monday, 26 July 2010 18:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

sorta wish that shit were true

iatee, Monday, 26 July 2010 18:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

ah crap i didnt see that somebody bumped a smashing pumpkins thread about this already

dougie instructor (jjjusten), Friday, 26 August 2011 23:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

S'ok. But yeah, Corgan is an utter asshole, proven more and more every day.

Tempted to start a taking sides thread, T/S Billy Corgan vs. Morrissey: which is pissing away goodwill with his own fans faster?

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 26 August 2011 23:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah the funny thing is i have known a lot of people that have dealt with devi over the years, and she is kind of notoriously honest and nice for the boutique pedal world - so this is particularly offensive imo.

dougie instructor (jjjusten), Friday, 26 August 2011 23:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

A couple of days and a harrowing plane flight later, the band makes it to a resort town called Surfer’s Paradise, which is more or less the Miami Beach of Australia, a skinny coastal town about an hour south of Brisbane, pounded by waves and plagued with jellyfish, crowded with high-rise hotels popular with Japanese honeymooners. Surfer’s Paradise is the jumping-off point for the Big Day Out tour, a sort of Australian Lollapalooza that Soundgarden will headline this year. In the lobby bar of one of the tallest hotels, Cornell and Thayil are settling back with a couple of beers when Billy Corgan from Smashing Pumpkins wanders through, and decides to join them for a strawberry margarita. Corgan chatters about the pain of his life, the supposed incompetence of his band (everybody rolls their eyes), the lifesaving virtues of Jungian therapy, bands that suck. Cornell gets up to leave. Corgan tells Thayil how important Soundgarden used to be to him, and he baits him by saying that the Pumpkins sometimes do a cover of Soundgarden’s “Outshined” that segues into a Depeche Mode song or something.

“I’m thinking of making my next album really new wave,” Corgan says, “like ’83-’84 new wave, not like Berlin. I spend all my time doing things that may be a bit tangential, but I think I’m going to go back to the core, the heart music. Echo and the Bunnymen.”

This is standard stuff to anybody who has read even a single Billy Corgan profile, the basic curriculum of Pumpkins 101. But Thayil isn’t buying. He’s sore.

“Don’t you see,” Thayil says, “you’re this incredibly talented guy. People like your music. You have a good band. You sell a lot of records. You don’t need all this…stuff.”

“What sign are you?” Corgan asks.

“What do you mean, what sign am I?” Thayil says. “What difference could that possibly make?”

“C’mon,” wheedles Corgan, “when is your birthday?”

“All right, goddamn it: September 4th.”

“Aha!” Corgan says. “A Virgo. You’re argumentative.”

“Damn right, I’m argumentative,” Thayil says, and takes a long, angry pulll at his beer, “which you should know because I’ve been arguing with you for half an hour, not because of any sign.”

“I’m a Pisces,” Corgan replies. “We pick up on those things.”

A minute later, Corgan, still probing, finally finds the key to Thayil’s heart: “I hate how in magazine pictures, they always stick me somewhere in the back.”

Thayil explodes: “What do you mean? You write all the songs, and you do all the interviews. You play the instruments on the album. You control the band to the extent that most people think of Smashing Pumpkins as the Billy Corgan Experience, and all you care about is some photograph?”

“But I hate it,” Corgan says, “it means they don’t think I’m the cute one.”

“Ooh,” Thayil says a little too loudly as Corgan walks away, “I’ll bet he’s going to call his therapist in Chicago, wake her up at four in the morning, and tell her about that big, mean bear who made fun of him.”

The next day at the Big Day Out festival, Thayil is talking to Kim and Kelley Deal in the Breeders’ dressing room when Corgan walks past wearing a long-sleeved Superman T-shirt like the one your four-year-old nephew probably owns.

“You hurt me deeply,” Corgan says, touching the giant S on his chest and pouting. “You hurt me deeply in my heart.” The Pumpkins go on to play the best set anybody has ever heard them play, their usual passiveness and precision overlaid with an unfamiliar scrim of anger that throws their music into brilliant relief.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 27 August 2011 01:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

wait i thought slash fic was supposed to end with corgan and thayil boning

dougie instructor (jjjusten), Saturday, 27 August 2011 06:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

Billy is fucked up and wrong here, obviously, but I could only make it about 3 minutes into Ever's response video. Sorry, that person is insufferable.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Saturday, 27 August 2011 12:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

Maybe it's not even rock royalty; it's the people who have been innovative and pushing the envelope in art and music. People talk about BC like he's a laughable, abysmal failure as an artist. While I'm not his biggest fan, you cannot say he is lazy about his art, nor that he isn't ambitious and has vision. You could argue that these qualities aren't sufficient for producing great art, but my impression is other people's pretentious horseshit (e.g. Radiohead) is lauded as visionary genius while BC's pretentious horseshit is written off as simple wankery.

Poliopolice, Friday, 30 January 2015 21:35 (Yesterday) Permalink

maybe but Malkmus never sold as many records/never had as much mass appeal - I doubt Bilbo considers him "rock royalty"

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 30 January 2015 21:36 (Yesterday) Permalink

Radiohead is another good example

It's strange to me too. But we're talking about praxis, man. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 30 January 2015 21:38 (Yesterday) Permalink

I guess the simplest way to put it actually comes through loud and clear in the interview: he's far more talented and important than many of the people in the 'cool club.' So why hasn't be been invited in?

Poliopolice, Friday, 30 January 2015 21:39 (Yesterday) Permalink

I doubt Bilbo considers him "rock royalty"

Bilbo Corgans, the tallest hobbit motherfucker of them all.

"You have no hair on your feet!"

"Fucking DUH."

Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 January 2015 21:39 (Yesterday) Permalink

he's far more talented and important than many of the people in the 'cool club.' So why hasn't be been invited in?

because he isn't cool!

Οὖτις, Friday, 30 January 2015 21:40 (Yesterday) Permalink

i think the burning question to him is "WHY???"

Poliopolice, Friday, 30 January 2015 21:43 (Yesterday) Permalink

lol "i don't really like his music but i hate radiohead and people talk about how radiohead is so great so why don't they talk about Melon Collie & The Infinite Sadness the way they do OK Computer?"

da croupier, Friday, 30 January 2015 21:44 (Yesterday) Permalink

to which i respond IF YOU HAVE TO ASK

da croupier, Friday, 30 January 2015 21:44 (Yesterday) Permalink

we need a fincher biopic to really understand billy

It's strange to me too. But we're talking about praxis, man. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 30 January 2015 21:44 (Yesterday) Permalink

honestly I think Mellon Collie IS better than OK Computer, and oddly, less pretentious.

Poliopolice, Friday, 30 January 2015 21:45 (Yesterday) Permalink

He's a dick, he craps out too many records, he keeps firing or losing band members/momentum, he has no apparent sense of humor or humility ...

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 30 January 2015 21:45 (Yesterday) Permalink

honestly I think Mellon Collie IS better than OK Computer, and oddly, less pretentious.

that is odd.

da croupier, Friday, 30 January 2015 21:46 (Yesterday) Permalink

honestly, i think this has a lot more to do with image than what people are willing to cop to.

Poliopolice, Friday, 30 January 2015 21:46 (Yesterday) Permalink

fuck are you talking about people happily admit they hate corgan's image

da croupier, Friday, 30 January 2015 21:46 (Yesterday) Permalink

honestly I think Mellon Collie IS better than OK Computer, and oddly, less pretentious.

so otm

example (crüt), Friday, 30 January 2015 21:47 (Yesterday) Permalink

well tell billy because he's the last person on earth who gives a shit

da croupier, Friday, 30 January 2015 21:48 (Yesterday) Permalink

i mean, come on, "Fitter Happier"? that is some pretentious shit right there.

right, people admit to hating BC's image, but let's ask people if they choose musical favorites based on image. I bet few people will come out and admit that.

Poliopolice, Friday, 30 January 2015 21:48 (Yesterday) Permalink

JiC otm in general

Οὖτις, Friday, 30 January 2015 21:49 (Yesterday) Permalink

i just can't take this "billy corgan isn't getting a fair shake because people are obsessed with superficial beauty and cool points" plaint seriously. i think corgan's done very well for a guy spewing shit calligraphy lyrics with a voice that sounds like jon lovitz with strep

da croupier, Friday, 30 January 2015 21:53 (Yesterday) Permalink

If you guys were the authors of cherub rock you'd have invented cherub rock!

It's strange to me too. But we're talking about praxis, man. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 30 January 2015 21:55 (Yesterday) Permalink

you know why Bilco isn't cool? because he complains about people acting like he isn't cool

Οὖτις, Friday, 30 January 2015 21:57 (Yesterday) Permalink

he is cool because he makes good tunes and wears capes. these are the cool things now.

It's strange to me too. But we're talking about praxis, man. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 30 January 2015 22:02 (Yesterday) Permalink

I'm not saying that BC is free of artistic crimes, but Thom Yorke's terrible cracking falsetto is not a great counterargument to BC's bad voice.

Here's an analogy that seems relevant. Bear with me, here. People HATE Wal-Mart for their bad labor practices, the way they put mom and pops out of business, their reputation for cheap crap, etc. But Target does the EXACT same shit, but many of the same people who hate Wal-Mart apparently have no problem with Target because, well, it's just... cooler. This ultimately leads me to believe that the reason many people hate Wal-Mart has nothing to do with the aforementioned shit (which is the thrust of many anti-WM arguments), but because Wal-Mart has an uncool reputation, being for low-class, uneducated, and unfashionable people, while Target has a reputation as being for educated, culturally-forward, fashionable people. Ultimately, these two stores are not all that far off from each other. They're both mass merchants who sell cheap crap. Everything else is mostly about image and clientele.

Likewise, the cultural collective says: Smashing Pumpkins is lame, low-class wankery for losers; Radiohead is sophisticated, innovative rock music for thinking people. But at their heart, I don't see them as being all that different.

Poliopolice, Friday, 30 January 2015 22:04 (Yesterday) Permalink

Machina II is better than OKC.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 30 January 2015 22:06 (Yesterday) Permalink

Likewise, the cultural collective says: Smashing Pumpkins is lame, low-class wankery for losers; Radiohead is sophisticated, innovative rock music for thinking people.

i don't know who the cultural collective is, but they apparently don't write music reviews

da croupier, Friday, 30 January 2015 22:09 (Yesterday) Permalink

he keeps firing or losing band members

I don't really blame him for this tbh

example (crüt), Friday, 30 January 2015 22:09 (Yesterday) Permalink

Actually, I blame him on both counts. blame lies with the dictator.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 30 January 2015 22:13 (Yesterday) Permalink

MCIS is so much less pretentious than OKC. Not concerned with being cool or cutting edge, wearing its overblown and exaggerated emotions like stars of valor, Billco is willing to let himself be totally vulnerable and naked for the sake of the audience as much as for himself. Mellon Collie is a totally about-face record, it's not pretentious at all. its length is NOT pretentious, it's fan service...

when is the new Jim O'Rourke album coming out (spazzmatazz), Friday, 30 January 2015 22:14 (Yesterday) Permalink

yeesh

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 30 January 2015 22:14 (Yesterday) Permalink

josh you know d'arcy actually went insane right

example (crüt), Friday, 30 January 2015 22:15 (Yesterday) Permalink

pre·ten·sion1
prəˈten(t)SH(ə)n/
noun
1.
a claim or the assertion of a claim to something.
"their pretensions to culture"
synonyms: aspiration, claim, assertion, pretense, profession
"the author has no pretension to exhaustive coverage"
an aspiration or claim to a certain status or quality.
"another aging rocker with literary pretensions"

2.
the use of affectation to impress; ostentatiousness.
"he spoke simply, without pretension"
synonyms: pretentiousness, affectation, ostentation, artificiality, airs, posing, posturing, show, flashiness; More

"wearing its overblown and exaggerated emotions like stars of valor" sounds like pretension to me

da croupier, Friday, 30 January 2015 22:19 (Yesterday) Permalink

the world is a vampire

It's strange to me too. But we're talking about praxis, man. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 30 January 2015 22:22 (Yesterday) Permalink

so...there's that

It's strange to me too. But we're talking about praxis, man. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 30 January 2015 22:22 (Yesterday) Permalink

spazz's post maybe had some mixed metaphors but I think you can get from the whole post that it is not pretensious in spazz's opinion

It's strange to me too. But we're talking about praxis, man. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 30 January 2015 22:24 (Yesterday) Permalink

who gives a shit, it's pretentious

da croupier, Friday, 30 January 2015 22:28 (Yesterday) Permalink

it's pretentious to give a shit?

It's strange to me too. But we're talking about praxis, man. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 30 January 2015 22:30 (Yesterday) Permalink

it's ostentatious and affected, doing it "for the kids" does NOT make it less pretentious

da croupier, Friday, 30 January 2015 22:31 (Yesterday) Permalink

if anything claiming your over-the-top display of feeling came from a sense of obligation to others only makes it more so

da croupier, Friday, 30 January 2015 22:32 (Yesterday) Permalink

ftr I was just deliberately misreading your post for jokes there. I do think that album is pretentious.

It's strange to me too. But we're talking about praxis, man. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 30 January 2015 22:33 (Yesterday) Permalink

xposting D'Arcy didn't go insane, she was on drugs, and regardless, that was eons ago and he has gone through how many lineups since then, even if you don't include Zwan? Dunno, but enough to propose sole constant Corgan is the problem.

And lol that anything Corgan has done has been anything less than pretentious.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 31 January 2015 00:10 (9 hours ago) Permalink

constantly demanding that everything you do be taken seriously/treated as important is kinda textbook pretentious, no?

Οὖτις, Saturday, 31 January 2015 00:12 (9 hours ago) Permalink

or does he differentiate between the real, the pure, the heart music and eh this is just some stuff he did for a goof

Οὖτις, Saturday, 31 January 2015 00:13 (9 hours ago) Permalink

monuments is a goof. mellon collie is the core, the heart music

when is the new Jim O'Rourke album coming out (spazzmatazz), Saturday, 31 January 2015 00:30 (9 hours ago) Permalink

mellon collie is over. it doesn't matter. monuments is a 4 star album!

It's strange to me too. But we're talking about praxis, man. (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 31 January 2015 00:35 (9 hours ago) Permalink

I need to say that I once saw Corgan give a poetry reading while reclining on a pillow with a light-up army helmet on.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 31 January 2015 00:43 (9 hours ago) Permalink

Because really

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 31 January 2015 00:44 (9 hours ago) Permalink

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 31 January 2015 00:46 (9 hours ago) Permalink

that patch bay is absurd!

It's strange to me too. But we're talking about praxis, man. (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 31 January 2015 00:56 (9 hours ago) Permalink


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