ILX 70s album poll - results

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alex in mainhattan (alex63), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link

"prog did not survive the millenium..."

2nd edition is a prog album. poptones.

a best of the 70s list without yes, floyd, and zeppelin's just a bit autistic, don't you think?

the ghost of 76, Wednesday, 27 April 2005 15:32 (nineteen years ago) link

why isn't the "i" in capitals? Public image Limited?

No. metal box is by no means prog. it is post-prog, come on.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

a 70s list without pink floyd is definitely not completely describing the 70s. that's true.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 15:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, "Wish You Were Here" is at #65...

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

i missed that. no love for dark side of the moon? that is the album i'd nominate as the definite 70s album.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link

There's a reason that record's hailed as genius by everyone: most people don't understand it, and those who do say it's genius.
But really, it is genius. Levene's riff on "Poptones" is incredible! It goes around and around and around...forever! And ever! And EVER! And listen to Lydon's lyrics!! They rule!!

Not easy listening, though. But Levene is hardly wanking. He, even more so than Wobble, is the anchor of that band. Thus, the suckage following his departure...

-- Naive Teen Idol (matthewjweine...), January 8th, 2003.

It's proudly displayed (well, displayed) on my bookcase, but I swear it's been well over 10 years since I've played it. I do remember liking it, although isn't it meant to be boring and/or annoying in places? Also it plays at 45 rpm, doesn't it? I remember reading somewhere that it was funny/cool that it was designed so that you couldn't get the records out without scratching them, but of course you can just turn the package upside down and let them fall out (not at a great height, of course).
-- Sean (saturns...), January 8th, 2003.

It's sort've become a post-punk Rosetta Stone of sorts (and I don't mean the lamentable goth band) that is required listening for anyone seeking information about the genre/era, but that doesn't mean it makes for the easiest nor most enjoyable listening experience. I'm glad I own it, I'm glad it exists, it's *INTERESTING* (in much the same way watching a disquieting snuff film or autopsy in interesting), but I'd be fibbing if I said I played it a lot or that it changed my life. I tend to prefer a bit more melodic cohesion in my post-punk, thank you very much, ala Gang of Four, early Killing Joke, Joy Division, et al.
Still...."Poptones" and "Swanlake" are uproariously, gloriously ugly in the most intriguing way.

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), January 8th, 2003.

Erm...
I changed my mind!* Metal Box is actually quite brilliant. For some reason it clicked for me this time. Lydon sounds like Gollum. Levene sounds like he's scratching your eyes out. Wobble is implacable (I like that word today). The electronics are genuinely strange, alienating in that way that electronics were back then--you know, they sound like they're wheezing from some big gray mainframe that takes up half a room. The drums are just like, heavy, man. It's a big granite slab of sound rolling over you.

I think my problem was that I bought the album after reading the usual rhetoric about it, and then I didn't hear what I expected to hear based on that rhetoric. I still don't, really... but I like what I hear instead now.

* Well actually, I still think the suburbia-is-conformist stuff is cliched (suppose it wasn't at the time tho) and just wrong, Albatross is a dirge, and it really doesn't have much to do with dub. Even the bass isn't dubby--it's just fat and high in the mix. I only hear about one moment where he plays anything like a dub bassline (midway through Graveyard I think), most of the time it's more rock. And OK, they phase the drums every now and then. But dub is a process more than anything else, and they don't apply that process anywhere--there's no abrupt mixing in and out of instruments, no space in the music (the opposite--it's claustrophobic), no echoing....they're still playing songs, not deconstructing them. Not that it matters, but "avant-garde dub" is one of those phrases that gets thrown around a lot in relation to this album.

-- Ben Williams (benwilliam...), January 9th, 2003.

They should've replaced Lydon with Mrs. Miller:

-- hstencil (hstenci...), January 9th, 2003.
Great blog. As for me, what Matos said. Either you feel this music in your bones or you don't. Metal Box says everything is NOT going to be alright. It's mocking, too, as if depression or fear were below it, and it makes me feel detached, grooving, fuck everything. The complete antipathy is also highly moral, which sets it apart from the nihilist pigfuck/no wave/goth it inspired. Like Sandinista!, it's more punk than most punk.
-- Pete Scholtes (pscholte...), January 11th, 2003.

no-one's topped Beefheart at his own game -- except maybe PiL, and then only once (metal box).
-- Tad (llamasfu...), January 20th, 2003.

I heart John Lydon.
-- Mary (maj23...), January 8th, 2003.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 15:45 (nineteen years ago) link

PiL >> Sex Pistols

it's official!

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

right, but we don't want to describe the 70s. a bunch of people were asked to list their favorite records of the 70s. obviously they don't seem to like prog much. if you ask me what I like best about the 30s, my answer will be a lot different from the answer you get when you ask me what I think was the most important development in the 30s (rise of the nazis). no I am not comparing Prog and the Nazis. well, maybe a little bit.

egon krenz (slaytrack), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

7

points: 775
1st place votes: 1
total votes: 25

BLONDIE - PARALLEL LINES

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hobart paving (hobart paving), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

a best of the 70s list without yes, floyd, and zeppelin's just a bit autistic, don't you think?

autistic? what?

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Some notes from my craw:

KRAFTWERK - THE MAN MACHINE: Their perfect album. Seemless. Flawless. Not long enough.

THE STOOGES - FUN HOUSE: Amazingly precise in its onslaught.

THE SEX PISTOLS - NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS, HERE'S THE SEX PISTOLS: Dan stated above that he gets the feeling that its the ultimate "you had to be there" album. I agree. Its sounds dated to me today, but I doubt if I'd be "into" music like I am now without it.


GANG OF FOUR - ENTERTAINMENT: I never understood the "Punk-Funk" moniker, cuz I didn't hear the "funk". But it did make the dancers dance harder, and the non-dancers shake their legs with more abandon.

BUZZCOCKS - SINGLES GOING STEADY: Many of my ideas about pop music stems from this album. SONGS!

PiL - METAL BOX: Timeless. By that I mean that when I first heard it, it sounded from another time. It still does, but I'm not sure if its the future or the past, or something else.


peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never heard the Blondie album...is it that good?

p.j. (Henry), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 16:23 (nineteen years ago) link

It's the first lp I ever bought with my own money. It's still one of my all-time favorite records. Gorgeous. Perfect. Classic. Cool fashion sense. Pretty good singer, too.
-- Sean (saturns...), December 2nd, 2002.

Classic with reservations - the last two tracks are weak (Gonna Love You Too + Just Go Away)and it lacks the absolute highs of the two previous albums and Eat to The Beat. My favorites are 11.59, Pretty Baby and Sunday Girl.
There's nothing as good as X Offender, In The Flesh, Rip Her To Shreds, Out In The Streets, Fan Club, Scenery,I'm Always Touched By Your Presence, Dreaming, Union City Blue, or Atomic on there.

-- Dr. C (Daveatcrossdee...), December 2nd, 2002.

reading Please Kill Me, i found it so funny the way that blondie were viewed as the runt of the cbgb's litter, and television used to beat up on them and steal their bassists and stuff, but in the end, it was blondie that had the most long lasting success and widespread appeal. new yorkers are stupid. mwah hah hah.
-- kate (masonicboo...), December 2nd, 2002.
their best record by miles. still holds up pretty damn well to these ears. would be perfect but for the final track ('just go away') but 11 out of 12's a decent strike rate by any measure.
-- angelo (discusdude7...), December 2nd, 2002.


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"i know a girl from a lonely street/cool as ice cream and still as sweet" is the most perfect opening couplets to a pop song ever.
the only thing that bugs me about parallel lines are those ugly green mesh and canvas boots that she's lacing up on the back cover.

debbie, debbie, debbie... it's so unlike you to pick unflattering footwear.

-- Fritz Wollner (fritzwollner5...), December 2nd, 2002.

I listened to this for the first time in, gosh, about 20 years when the remastered CD came out. It sounded way different than I remembered, because all the deadpan chick-fronted guitar-pop bands since Blondie - from the Primitives to Slumber Party - have really spun off from just one aspect of their sound. I was conditioned to hear Parallel Lines that way, but everything was more varied and modulated. Deborah Harry's singing was so demonstrative, it's like she's in a Broadway revue. Each song is a different little character portrait. The drumming was a lot less metronomic than my ears have become accustomed to.
-- Curt (curtisgoul...), December 2nd, 2002.


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slumber party are HARDLY a "chick fronted guitar-pop band" thank you very kindly. grrrrrrr.
one of the things that i always loved most about blondie was their genre-slut style-hopping. blondie albums were like mini-musicals, really. i believe that was quite deliberate.

-- kate (masonicboo...), December 2nd, 2002.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 16:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll have to do the top 5 tomorrow as the library kicks out in a minute.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link

6

points: 810
1st place votes: 2
total votes: 25

JOY DIVISION - UNKNOWN PLEASURES

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Joy Division -- Unknown Pleasures.

I first heard "Unknown Pleasures" in 1992. It's still
the darkest record I own. The one that demands being
listened to with all the lights off. Even better, in
a cold basement. Curled up in a ball. Listening to
the soothing crackle of the needle on vinyl. Good
times. Lonely, troubling, but good nontheless. On
this album, "Interzone" is what passes for euphoria.
"She's Lost Control" is what passes for
dancefloor-filling mania. "New Dawn Fades" is pain.


"Unknown Pleasures" is therapy.

Barry Bruner

hobart paving (hobart paving), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 16:34 (nineteen years ago) link

From this thread:

C/D: Eight-track alternate sequencing?

(as you'd expect, a few other albums on this list are discussed there too)

BLONDIE -- PARALLEL LINES

1 Hanging On The Telephone
Heart Of Glass
I'm Gonna Love You Too

2 Picture This
Fade Away And Radiate
Pretty Baby

3 I Know But I Don't Know
11:59
Will Anything Happen?

4 One Way Or Another
Sunday Girl
Just Go Away

This is also great! The proper track listing drags a bit in the middle during the "Fade Away and Radiate" ... "Will Anything Happen" section. But the eight-track version puts the Big Hits at the beginning and the end ("Heart Of Glass" works MUCH better at the start than tossed randomly into the middle of side two) and mixes things up a little better in the middle.

-- MindInRewind, October 7th, 2004 5:38 PM.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 16:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I absolutely love 'Just Go Away' and am horrified to see not one but two disses of it above. Weakest tracks for me is 'I Know But I Don't Know'. I'm never sure what I think about 'Fade Away And Radiate' either.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I never thought of either band as being particularly morbid, emotional etc., I just thought 'Unknown Pleasures' and 'In Utero' kicked fuckin' ass. Rawk on!

-- dave q (scrape10...), December 9th, 2001.

I was pretty histrionic back in the day:

i'll just say that maybe _unknown pleasures_ is a classic because it's a masterpiece, just maybe? maybe because stephen morris and peter hook formed rock's greatest rhythm section ever, able to define a song with startlingly fresh repeated lines that bled out of the most basic elements breathtaking possibilities? because crushing parallel-universe-metal riffs could be stripped, crystallized, and frozen to drip like icicles above? maybe because riffs could become drones and vice versa? maybe because of the sparsest, least pop tracks ("candidate," "i remember nothing") where a bare beat and atmospheric samples could house ian curtis's sighs and cries? because that band could bludgeon ("day of the lords"), rage ("shadowplay"), and caress ("insight")? just maybe ian curtis sang like no one else could, using a uniquely non-singerly voice to move from a purr to a sneer to a bellow?

-- sundar subramanian (ssubram...), May 17th, 2001.

In this month's Spin, Andrew Beaujon says of Unknown Pleasures: "If you've only heard 'Love Will Tear Us Apart', peep these Mancs on their sole proper album (?) for what they really were: an incompetent metal band that somehow touched the stars."

Sundar (sundar), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:15 (nineteen years ago) link

incompetent metal band is a praise. metal is per se incompetent. double negation = affirmation.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 17:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow, Blondie was definitely the sleeper in this poll. I mean, I *like* Parallel Lines (didn't make my list though) but I had no idea it was THIS loved around here.

Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 18:35 (nineteen years ago) link

YAY for BLONDIE!!! I thought you all had forsaken it! My faith is ILM is restored. one of maybe four albums i can honestly say features no dull track.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Parallel Lines is good but #7? No dull tracks? Sure, it might not have any skippable tracks but Heart of Glass stands out leagues above the rest of the album to the point that it almost sounds like a different band.

So what happened? Did a lot of people rate Parallel Lines moderately high or did a few people put it as their #1?

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 20:09 (nineteen years ago) link

> Did a lot of people rate Parallel Lines moderately high or did a few people put it as their #1?

points: 775
1st place votes: 1
total votes: 25

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha ha, oops. I was distracted by all the pretty album covers and hadn't even noticed those numbers.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 20:14 (nineteen years ago) link

(That Spin blurb was meant as praise if it wasn't clear. They listed the album as one of the essential 'mope rock' albums.)

Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 28 April 2005 03:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Gosh. We were different a few years ago, weren't we?

Atnevon (Atnevon), Thursday, 28 April 2005 04:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I agree with Alex that the lack of The Dark Side Of the Moon seems a bit weird... I mean, I'm a techno/hip hop head myself, and even *I* think it's a good record. Just because prog got a bad reputation later on don't mean you should automatically dismiss *everything* it produced.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 28 April 2005 07:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never heard Dark Side Of The Moon, so I couldn't really vote for it.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 28 April 2005 07:53 (nineteen years ago) link

5

points: 838
1st place votes: 2
total votes: 23

KRAFTWERK - TRANS-EUROPE EXPRESS

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hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 28 April 2005 08:26 (nineteen years ago) link

hmmm... was something wrong with that?

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hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 28 April 2005 08:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Too big, probably.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 28 April 2005 08:35 (nineteen years ago) link

IMG SRC DUDE

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 28 April 2005 08:38 (nineteen years ago) link

hmmm.... I'm getting this:

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I'm assuming there's a temporary problem with linking that way.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 28 April 2005 08:43 (nineteen years ago) link

One last try, using the IMG SRC thing.

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hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 28 April 2005 08:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah good. It's not the same without the sleeves...

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 28 April 2005 08:50 (nineteen years ago) link

it's a quite boring album, isn't it? i quite like it, but even people i know who swear by it admit that it's a bit dull, albeit in a good way (whatever that means).

Lee F# (fsharp), Thursday, 28 April 2005 09:02 (nineteen years ago) link

rah!

"Trans-Europe Express", "Man Machine" and "Computer World" are all 5 star and the rest ain't too shabby either.

-- Dadaismus (kcoyne3...), November 2nd, 2004.

Hmm... I'm struggling a bit to find blurbs. Perhaps its a mistake to attempt this before coffee.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 28 April 2005 09:07 (nineteen years ago) link

4

points: 873
1st place votes: 0
total votes: 25

TELEVISON - MARQUEE MOON

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hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 28 April 2005 09:14 (nineteen years ago) link

That was my number one! (sob)

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 28 April 2005 09:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Ahh, Marquee Moon. Is there anything it can't do?

-- mark grout (mark.grou...), May 9th, 2004.

The original LP faded the track. The CD and the remaster let the track conclude to a brilliant ending, adding 2 mins onto the track.

Regards

-- mark grout (mark.grou...), May 9th, 2004.

Television's Marquee Moon influenced a lot of bangladeshis to move to Britain and thus changed English cuisine forever. In the same year, Verlaine also invented the sewing machine.
-- Pulpo (pulpopulpissim...), July 10th, 2002.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 28 April 2005 09:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Err...Mark, what name did you send your ballot under??

hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 28 April 2005 09:19 (nineteen years ago) link

My own, the google mail as shown here, to yours as shown there...

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 28 April 2005 09:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Poll abandoned. Start again.

Alba (Alba), Thursday, 28 April 2005 09:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Umm, I'm not bothered if my poll's been missed off on the albums vote, I don't think it would have made too much difference.

They were both (singles/albums) mailed on March 3rd.

Can my singles be included/checked though? I can resend...

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 28 April 2005 09:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Hang on...you sent it to elvistears, rather than ilx70s?

That might be the problem.. I set up ilx70s for the poll because I'm on the Avenue list at elvistears, and I never remember to read it and anything sent there disappears under a tonne of St Etienne rantings.

But I'll put the singles in, yes... its ilx70s@yahoo.co.uk

hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 28 April 2005 09:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Righto.. Commin to you...

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 28 April 2005 09:57 (nineteen years ago) link

If you send the albums I can do a "what would have been" at the end of this, if you want.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 28 April 2005 10:06 (nineteen years ago) link


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