pagodge, forro, ache, batucada

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what are these musics?!

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Forro=accordion based music of North Brazil!
Search: Luiz Gonzaga and Jackson Do Pandeiro

Sebastiana!, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not sure I want to ask but, do they play it out in clubs?

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 20:38 (nineteen years ago) link

forro is not in clubs
ache, if it is actually axe, is very popular semi-disco music, especially in salvador, etc. daniela mercury had a big hit with turning this music into electronic housy stuff last year. so yeah, that would be in clubs. if it's just "ache," then I dunno.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 20:55 (nineteen years ago) link

"Brasilian DJ Silvinho will be dropping samba, baile funk, pagodge, forro, ache, batucada and a touch of Brasil hiphop and drum & bossa!"

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Pagodge is a fairly recent step in the evolution of samba. Samba Cancao was the combination of street percussion and European song structure, which was overshadowed by Bossa Nova in the 50s and 60s.
Samba Cancao enjoyed a resurgence in the 70s, at which time it transformed into a slicker, updated pop style known as Pagodge.

Forro is upbeat, super-catchy dance music from the Northeast of Brazil. Forro usually features an accordion, with fast, syncopated rhythms similar to samba. In some ways, forro is analagous to mariachi in Mexico, or cumbia music in Columbia.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, sure, but they'd have to tart up forro pretty hard to make it into club music!

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 21:25 (nineteen years ago) link

This thread title reads like a eye exam.

darin (darin), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I almost ordered a highly-recommended book on Brazilian music last night (I had it in my amazon shopping cart and everything). Don't make me do it.

RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 22:55 (nineteen years ago) link

This is the thread I've been waiting for. So is Paulinho Da Viola (who I'm basically in love with lately) considered samba cancao, and also, what would be an example of pagodge?

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 23:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Batucada = drum-based samba school music. Usually includes a line of surdos (giant bass drums strapped-on and tuned to different pitches), cachixes (snare drums), cowbells, pandieros (tambourines w/out jingles), etc. It's basically shit-kicking street music with drums and chanting.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 23:04 (nineteen years ago) link

six months pass...
I'm digging Batucada lately. Recommendations?

Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 24 September 2005 03:49 (eighteen years ago) link

ache, if it is actually axe, is very popular semi-disco music
axé would be a Yoruba (afro-brazilian) concept of energy/vitality from what I gather.

blunt (blunt), Saturday, 24 September 2005 12:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey Sourpuss Matt--"Forro is not in clubs"

Um, it might not be spun by hipster djs in clubs, but I and others have danced to a New York based forro band(whose members either come from Brazil or learned forro there) that plays clubs on the East coast of the US.

Steve K (Steve K), Saturday, 24 September 2005 13:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Great intros to forro: 1) Luaka Bop's Forro, Etc.: not only is the music very robust, tuneful as required of Braziiana times rhythmic, catchy as hell, there's prob even bubble forro, Shania forro as wellas Selena forro, but this (which is not bubble) has, uniquely among LB's Brazil Classics that I've heard, translations of lyrics, which are also great! 2) check afropopworldwide.org, may not be exact handle of their site but you'll figure it out, and see if they haven't archived their own excellent intro to forro,starting with profile of Luis Gonzalga, who is sort of the Bill Monroe figure, re putting the style together as a style/subgenre (later genre, I think; anyway, sev variants, also played[including, but not ltd. to,some dif versions of same song to illuminate, but not too much of this]: of course there's bubble and clubrat and artschool and combinations--alt-forro like alt-country, I think, but all I heard on there was gooood, with helpful, succinct commentary on variants and examples)

don, Saturday, 24 September 2005 14:01 (eighteen years ago) link

What's the name of the band, Don? Miami needs some forro nights. Some forro is awful, however. Sounds like bad Cajun music

Thea (Thea), Saturday, 24 September 2005 14:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Accordionist Rob Curto plays in NYC clubs regularly...

The Washington Post

September 10, 2003 Wednesday


Forro in the Dark: Piping Hot Brazilian Rhythms


Forro in the Dark showed a small but energetic Monday evening crowd at the Kennedy Center Millennium Stage that there's more to the Brazilian songbook than just lush bossa nova. This New York City-based, part-time outfit is composed of four Brazilians and two Americans who pay their bills touring Europe and Brazil with the likes of David Byrne and Joao Gilberto, but who have their fun jamming together on the raw Northeastern Brazilian dance genre known as forro.

Bandleader and zabumba drummer Mauro Refosco first invited accordionist Rob Curto, guitarist Smokey Hormel, a triangle player, a bassist and a vocalist to play the forro standards of Luiz Gonzaga at Refosco's birthday party a year ago, and the celebration seems to be ongoing. Minus Hormel (who was away recording with Johnny Cash) but assisted by dance instructors, the combo turned the velvet-carpeted, staid Kennedy Center into a veritable dance hall. Although vocalist Ana Fontella occasionally added pretty samba-like melodies, the emphasis was on the roadhouse-meets-Carnival-meets-circus rhythms of the instrumentalists.

Curto speedily fingered the framework of their compositions on his piano-keyed accordion, while Refosco pounded a mallet against his large bass drum marching-band style, and audience members did hip-shaking line dances and arm-twirling swing dancing. After the tears-in-your-beer interlude "Estrada de Caninde," they revved up the finale. Marching off the stage while still playing, they gloriously paraded through the Hall of Nations out the door to the front plaza, chanting, clapping and banging out their unique countryside tunes and syncopation.

-- Steve Kiviat

Steve K (Steve K), Saturday, 24 September 2005 14:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks Steve... I had meant Steve not Don, obv.

Thea (Thea), Saturday, 24 September 2005 14:51 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost There's a cajun-ish quality, at least to my ears, in a fair amount of the good stuff too. (The playing, not the singing.)

don, Saturday, 24 September 2005 15:25 (eighteen years ago) link

No, absolutely. When I say "bad Cajun" I don't mean all Cajun.

Thea (Thea), Saturday, 24 September 2005 15:35 (eighteen years ago) link

http://thebrazilianmuse.blogspot.com/

steve-k, Saturday, 24 September 2005 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link

That New York based Brazilian blog ain't bad. No Carioca funk though.

Steve K (Steve K), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah! that comment jogs to me to speculate further,in terms of post-/ and even pare-Tropicalia, adventurous/f.u. spirit. (And xpost I didn't say Carlinhos was always good, but that he continues to take chances, going for inst from mellow to LOUD, thus risks getting $hot by both sides for not locking self to one setting or another.) For para, how bout the rowdy urban dayjob drive-bys on Soul Samba 70; and even further from refined background associated with vanguard Tropicalistas (Ze aside), of course should have mentioned rudely resouceful Rio Baile Funk.

don, Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Bump.

curmudgeon, Monday, 26 September 2005 12:39 (eighteen years ago) link

five years pass...

So I still got no clue about Batucada. Where to start?

Fetchboy, Wednesday, 9 March 2011 13:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Sorry, all I know is what Jordan said upthread and what wikipedia says. I can't give you a specific example of a great cd with a Brazilian batucada samba outfit on it. :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batucada

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 9 March 2011 18:30 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Quarteto Olinda, a Brazilian group that plays Forró de rabeca, that substitutes a fiddle for the accordion is bringing their dance music to NYC and DC for a bunch of show

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:27 (eleven years ago) link

ten years pass...

I'm mixing a track with a full samba bateria, and made this drums-only playlist for inspiration, thought others might enjoy:

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7reiuE1QPpNq3xfnjgezWI?si=5aefefdd955344d9

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 December 2022 16:46 (one year ago) link

It's not comprehensive or anything. I still have this one record that only lives on my old iPod, and I'm pretty sure artist name is misattributed (and there are no track titles). I think it's an Italian samba group and it's some of the best recorded & played samba school records I've heard, but I've never been able to positively ID. I've heard tracks from it on DJ mixes like this one at 15:30 - https://soundcloud.com/truants/truancy-volume-289-bruce

(at least I think it's from that record - it's one of the outlier tracks that might use some loops and drumkit, other tracks are more straightforward live batucada)

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 December 2022 17:01 (one year ago) link


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